and records of controversy conversations on january 6 have no bearing on the investigation? these are about who the president was talking to as people were breaking windows and climbing into the capitol. meanwhile, we're still awaiting the subpoena that the select committee is expected to issue this week for john eastman, the architect of trump's attempted coup. in fact, chairman bennie thompson now says a batch of 20 new subpoenas will soon be issued. and we're also learning many more witnesses have already cooperated. vice chair liz cheney confirmed to nbc news that they've interviewed or deposed more than 450 people in connection with january 6. and she emphasized the huge amount of work under way, which she said is leading to real progress. it comes as republican operatives are organizing a legal defense fund to support trump's former aides and allies who have been subpoenaed. that's according to rolling stone which reports veteran operatives matt and mercedes schlapp are aiding the effort. however, the fund will not help hundreds of trump supporters who have been charged with actually storming the building. so basically they're raising money to keep witnesses quiet. but they're not throwing the bone to the hundreds of insurrectionists who did the dirty work for trump in the name of the big lie. then there is the damning reality that some trump supporters who participated in the events of january 6 are now being rewarded by republican voters. as "the huffington post" was first to report, there were at least ten republican candidates elected or reelected tuesday night who attended the so-called stop the steal rally that precipitated the insurrection on january 6. seven won election to local offices across the country. well, nearly all are on the record claiming they did not breach the capitol themselves. it's the latest evidence that belief in the big lie is far from disqualifying among today's republican electorate. in fact, it seems to be becoming a badge of honor. with me now congresswoman madeleine dean. and kurt bardella, adviser to the ccc and dnc. kurt, your reaction to the idea that republican voters are now electing people who participated in the siege, quote/unquote stop the steal rally. they're rewarding them with office, both statewide and local. >> it tells you how dangerous it is that the big lie not only took place in the days leading up to the 2020 election, the days after the 2020 election, leading up to the insurrection, but the big lie continues. it's very dangerous. it's very harmful to democracy. that is why i'm so proud of the january 6 committee and the work they are doing. i had the chance to talk with jamie raskin as we were voting on the floor tonight, knowing i was going to be joining you, joy, and got my usual daily or weekly update from him on the extraordinary good work of this committee. and what he told me is the quiet story is the number, the tremendous number of people who are cooperating with the committee, who recognize that january 6 was an insurrection where americans attacked americans, where americans attacked and maimed and killed police officers, capitol police officers here. and so the committee's work continues. the quieter story is the quieter work of the committee and americans who are coming forward to tell the truth so that we never have this happen again. >> you know, and i'm going to skip past -- i want to talk to mike pence in a minute. but i want to come back and talk about norm core, what would be norm core republicans, kurt. and by the way, if i said 450, i meant 150 people have been deposed. it was 150 people have been deposed. norm core type republicans even struggle to distance themselves from january 6. they struggle to not downplay it. let me play -- this is condoleezza rice. i'm going start with condoleezza rice when she was on "the view" talking about the insurrection. here she is. >> i think what senator mcconnell may be referencing is yes, it's time to move on in a lot of way. >> yeah. >> i'm one who believes that the american people are now concerned about their what we call kitchen table issues. i live in california, not washington, d.c. and the american people do have other concerns that we ought to be thinking about. >> yeah, as if they don't care about democracy in california as well. but here she is kind of rolling it back. she was at the aspen security forum. maybe not the audience where you want to be kind of like just move on from that little insurrection. here's what she said there. >> well, let me be very clear. i didn't mean move on from january 6. i did mean, however, that we need to think about moving on to a new generation of leaders. let me tell you what i think about january 6. i'll just tell you flat-out. first of all, my worst day since september 11th. i cried watching it. and people ought to go testify. i don't think there is an argument for not testifying. i testified before the 9/11 commission, despite the fact that we could have claimed executive privilege. well did not. >> so just -- she rewinds back to what one would have expected her to say the first time. you talk about the struggle that these sort of previously like national security republicans are having wanting to stay republicans but having to figure out how to talk about the insurrection. kurt? >> i mean, this is the great litmus test now for the republican party, right? it's no longer about public policy issues, about so-called conservative issues. it's about what you think about the conspiracy theory, about stop the steal and january 6. the republican party -- and this is bigger than donald trump at this point, joy. it's not just about one man anymore. the entire republican party apparatus has decided to wrap their arms around domestic terrorists and try to paint them and relabel them as heroes, as patriot, as defenders of liberty and freedom. we're going to be hearing a lot of words when we talk about january 6 for the republican party. and people are going to have to make some very tough decisions. this is not one of those times where you can straddle the line, have one foot in, one foot out. you are either for democracy or you are against it. you recognize that what happened on january 6 was an act of domestic terrorism, or you don't. that's it. there is no gray area here. i think it's going to be incumbent upon the select committee that's been formed to tell that story. i don't think this is something that as condoleezza rice said earlier, we can just move on from. let me tell you something. the republican architects of january 6, they're hoping we move on. they're hoping we forget. they're hoping that we create distance from it because it will make it all that much easier for them to do it again the next time. what we saw on january 6, that was a dress rehearsal for what they're going to want to do next time. they're not going to be taking any time off. they're not going to be backing away from it. they have put their entire party apparatus, wrapped their arms around it and gave it a bear hug, and they continue to do do so every single day. i want to tell you, one of the most controversial things for all the talk of virginia and the election on tuesday, do not underestimate the impact of what this committee's work will have. do not underestimate the impact of the hearings they will ultimately have will produce. oui seen the impact when hearing are done the right way. one word. benghazi. imagine how different 2016 would have been if benghazi had not been a thing. >> nbc news is a media partner for aspen. i want to say that both hearings were consequential because we learned what the former president was capable of, and we learned what his party was capable of. the fact that they heard that evidence, that searing evidence, especially in that second impeachment, and still let him off, kind of told you who the party is and what they're willing to accept in exchange for power. i want to play mike pence. so mike pence is someone who has struggled mightily to kind of reconcile the high and important position he had and the democracy it's supposed to hold with what he did or didn't do on january 6. here he is. he was speaking to students. mike pence confirmed that eastman and trump sought to confirm the election as unconstitutional. here is him doing that. >> on the night of the 5th or the morning of the 6th, someone in white house convinced you that it would destroy your hopes of becoming president if you -- if you sent it back to the states. my question is, what is the name of the person who told you to buck president trump's plan and certify the votes? >> james madison. [ applause ] >> congresswoman, he is getting a lot of applause for that answer, but i would note that he had to go and ask a former vice president. he had to ask dan quayle what to do on the day. in the moment, he wasn't straightening his back and saying james madison. he was saying can i do this? your thoughts. >> well, a couple of things. condoleezza rice, i have great respect for her. but national security is exactly what is at the heart of january 6. and of course everything thereafter. mike pence, my goodness, what a nodding vice president he has been. you would have thought january the 6th when they came in chanting "hang mike pence" and hung a noose outside of congress that he might have seen the light of day. apparently he did for a couple of hours, and now he wants us all to just move on from january 6. nothing to see her. it was just a single day in january. but let me tell you something. what both of those folks just seem to miss entirely, and that we have an obligation here as members of congress to do two things, to govern. governing is oversight around january 6 to protect our democracy from such people as mike pence who couldn't get clarity in his own mind constitutionally as to what to do in terms of certifying elections. he knew he had a ministerial role, but desperately seeking power and trying to retain it, he wondered if maybe he could hang on and had to call dan quayle, phone a friend to figure out whether or not to do the right thing. but after that, look what we're doing here this week. we are governing at the same time as the committee is doing oversight. we are on the precipice of passing two bills, bipartisan infrastructure bill, more than $1 trillion worth of investments in our hard-built infrastructure, and $1.75 trillion in the build back better plan. this is an investment in our children, in our future, in our seniors. prescription drug negotiation and annual caps on expenditures for seniors, and ultimately, protection of our planet with more than $555 billion worth of investments in sustainable energy, in our infrastructure in terms of green infrastructure. we are doing both here. you're watching democrats. and as much as people like to say gosh, you're so dysfunctional, what a family, i'd like to say this is what it looks like to govern. we oversee constitutionally what goes on here and hold people accountable. and number two, we make sure that we're building for the future for our children and for this planet. >> you know, i think it's a fair point, kurt, that as messy as the democrats are, at least they're trying to govern. we're literally watching democrats fight democrats over how to do good, while republicans are absent. and the media doesn't spend must have time saying why aren't there any republicans in that room? they were there to get the infrastructure stuff for their own client. they probably have people who give them money, maybe they think they'll get something there. it struck me today, current, i'll give you the final word on this, the difference fundamentally is democrats look at their base and try to figure out how to please all of these different kinds of people. because the democratic base is varied. it's multicultural, multiracial, multireligious. they have to figure out how to make all of those people work together. republicans say to their base. what do you want? oh, okay, you're okay with white nationalism? we can work with that. you don't like the fact that donald trump lost? you want to go ahead and break into the capitol and do an insurrection? okay. we'll figure out how to work with that. you want to maybe not be so anti-neo-naziism, you want to play with neo-naziism. let's see, how can we work with that? you know what? we can work with that. it doesn't matter what their base does. i want to point you to mr. shawn parnell. he is the front-runner to be the nominee for the united states senate, the great united states senate in the great state of pennsylvania. per the philly inquirer, his wife testified that he choked her and hit their children to leave welts. he is a fiction -- featuring graphic violence against women. he has a clear and good shot at becoming a republican politician because it doesn't matter. nothing matters. your thoughts. >> yeah, this is the inherent disadvantage, right? democrats have a broad coalition. they have communities of color. they have working families, middle class families. they are trying to do so much to help so many people. and the republicans, all they have to do is say no. let's be very clear here. joe manchin and kyrsten sinema would be completely irrelevant if any republican in congress had a backbone and listened to what the people actually want and said we're going vote for these things. it wouldn't matter what those two senators wanted if people like mitt romney came out and said you know what? i'm with the democrats on this. let's get this done. so the inherent challenge for democrats is going to be passing something, defining it, making sure the american people understand that they are the ones that are helping them. they are the ones interested in getting stuff done to make your life better. i see poll after poll that says republicans are perceived to be better on the economy than the democrats. what a bunch of nonsense. maybe if you're a billionaire that's true, but unless you're that, they are not for you, and we have got to do a better job of telling that story. >> yeah. and only one party is in favor of insurrection. i wish we had more time. >> joy? >> yeah, i'm going to invite you back. quickly. >> it does matter in pennsylvania. decency, integrity, character matter in pennsylvania. i'd love to come back. >> oh, no, thank you for saying that. i meant it doesn't matter to republicans. they're fine with electing that. they elected donald trump. i mean, look at all of the people accused of sexual harassment and worse. congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you for that final note. it was important to say that kurt bardella, thank you. next on "the reidout," he keeps lying about it any way. after virginia, stoking racial fear with make-believe. and democrats need to figure out how to deal wit. michael eric dyson joins me. also, what the ahmaud arbery and kyle rittenhouse trial tell us, how juries and judges are selected in this country. too bad we don't have critical theory on the intersection of race and criminal justice to help us understand that. hmm. plus, congresswoman pramila jayapal joins me on the votes that could be coming very soon, possibly even tonight on president biden's spending plan. and tonight's absolute worst, an ugly new round of vaccine disinformation now that children are available. the "the reidout" continues after this. r this by saying yes. yes to new inventions! yes to clean and fresh ingredients! and yes to living life to the flavor-fullest. panera. live your yes. now $1 delivery. ♪ ♪ downy's been taking you back, since way back. with freshness and softness you never forget. feel the difference with downy. introducing fidelity income planning. we look at how much you've saved, how much you'll need, and build a straightforward plan to generate income, even when you're not working. a plan that gives you the chance to grow your savings and create cash flow that lasts. along the way, we'll give you ways to be tax efficient. and you can start, stop or adjust your plan at any time without the unnecessary fees. talk to us today, so we can help you go from saving...to living. 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"." banning any history that makes white people feel uncomfortable. i want to get you to comment on the justice department finally leaning in and filing a lawsuit against texas. what do you think? >> it's absolutely necessary, joy. we have to use the bully pulpit of the justice department to do what it's supposed to do. we lost sight of this under william barr and the trump administration when they were the exclusive preserve of the private, if you will, firm of the president of the united states of america. finally the justice department is returning to the work it should be doing. and should it be doing it on behalf of american citizens who are facing unjust restrictions imposed upon them by the arbitrary, capricious decision of state governments that seek to prevent the flourishing of american democracy. so dadgum, thank you very much for showing up, and may this be a token of what is to come. >> indeed. let me move on now to this gambit. what republicans are now doing is they basically demand credit any time any of them ever voted for anybody black or if there is a black guy on the supreme court that's conservative. any black conservative is supposedly or the black president having ever been elected, right, the fact that he was elected period means there is no racism. and even if they're literally trying to ban books about black people and saying you cannot talk about the black experience, we're going cut that out of schools because white people don't like it, they still want credit. they still want to be able to say it's not racist. in this case, i just want the get your comment on. this because the two choices voters had in virginia were a black woman who shares my daughter's name and jamaican heritage, and an afro latina who is part lebanese. so you had a choice of two brown/black people and you picked one of them. do you get credit? do you get special credit? it's like i had ice cream or cake adds two options, but i want credit for lowering my calorie count because i picked ice cream. you had two choices and they were both black. your thoughts? >> i eat the cake and the ice cream, leerily. you're absolutely right. they want credit for breathing. they want credit for having -- they want credit for having hair in the morning or getting up and brushing their teeth. look, i've made an achievement that should be noteworthy. no. you are doing what all political figures what must do, make choices. the problem is here they want -- they want white supremacy by ventriloquist effect. there is a black mouth moving but through a white idea on the runway of the tongue of a figure who justifies and legitimates the white supremacist practices. we know that we can internalize in our own minds, in our own subconscious, in our own bodies the very principles that are undoing us. so to have a black face speaking in behalf of a white supremacist legacy is nothing new. and it is to the chagrin of those of us who study race that the white folk on the other side and the right wing owners the other side don't understand. this is politics 101. and this is race not even 101. what's beneath 101? it's the pre-k of race. you should understand the fact that if you tell black people look, i support a negro. look, there is a person of color that i am in favor of, and that person of color happens to undermine and undercut and subvert the very principles about which we are concerned, you do yourself no service by pointing to them as an example of your racial progressivism. so in that sense, they need to have a lesson in critical race theory so they can understand what critical race theory. joy, we know this. first of all, they ain't critical. they ain't run a race in a long time that is meaningful in terms of our people and they ain't got no theory. critical race theory we know comes from critical theory. the word critical in theory means let's be on the side of those who need to be emancipated for things that are imposed on them that enslave them. that's all it means. and they've invented an entire ufrts of meaning out of that one work. >> let's talk about the democrats for a minute. here is the thing. as i said the other day, i think the challenge for democrats they also lack the vocabulary to aggressively defend black people. >> right. >> even though black americans give 90% and black women give 95, 96% of their votes to democrats. and yet when it comes time to defend black folks -- this guy is who came up, who is one of the people who came up with the strategy said the gel of pretending the critical race theory is this boogieman is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper that makes them uncomfortable and immediately think critical race theory. and that is what they've implemented. he said we've decodified the term and we'll recode vie it to annex the entire range of cultural con infrastructures that are unpopular with americans. democrats don't seem to know what to do about this. and i don't care about this by the way as a democrat. i'm going to be real right now. because the democrats can be really irritating. >> right. >> i care about it because they're the only party left that cares about democracy. and since they're the democracy party, that's why i'm saying this, not as a democrat. but go on. how could they -- how could they answer this? >> well, absolutely. they got to answer. christopher rufo is doing a historical slight of hand and black face. he is taking a black term or a term generated out of african american and progressive legal theory and using it as the bete noire, the whipping boy and whipping girl of the white wing against the progressives, and they don't even realize that it is a black -- literally black eye metaphorically. all of which is to say this. the democrats got to understand as they say in tennessee dance with the one that brung you. dance with the one that brung you. and if black people have been loyal to no end, if black people have been supportive of this party, the democrats have got to find a spine, have got to find a spirit, and have got to find the space to articulate some valuable lessons here. and here is the one thing we should learn from the right wing. have game. have manipulation. have -- this is the game we're in. if this is the game we're, in learn to describe what you're about. learn to describe what you're meaning. learn to describe what your goals are in ways that don't immediately alienate the people that you're trying to support, number one. and number two, that don't play easily into the game of the right wing. should we have to do that? 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( abbot sonic ) roughly six months after derrick chauvin was convicted of murdering george floyd, two major cases will show whether anything actually changed based on that verdict, or whether we're doomed to repeat this nation's ugly past over and over and over again, which unfortunately appears to be the case. in georgia, three white men, father and son gregory and travis mcmichael and their friend william roddie bryan are accused of murdering ahmaud arbery, in a case many described as a lynching, arbery was chased and murdered. yesterday after two weeks of board, jurors narrow the pool of jurors to 12 with four alternatives. the 12 seated jurors 11 are white and just one is black. for context, the county hosting the trial is 27% african american. defense lawyers were able to remove the majority of potential black juror, prompting the state prosecutor to accuse the defense of bias and ask the judge to reinstate some of them. >> the defense struck these jurors, and in this case we're talking about the 11 african american jurors because of racial bias. >> defense lawyers rejected the accusations. >> we struck 13 white people to this 11 -- number of 11 african americans. and those were based on the same reasons, your honor, the same strong rooted bias. >> while the judge agreed that there was intentional discrimination, he ultimately declined to receipt the excluded jurors. >> quite a few african american jurors were excused through peremptory strikes exercised by the defense. but that doesn't mean that the court has the authority to receipt. >> meanwhile, in kenosha, wisconsin, a similar almost completely white jury is hearing the testimony in trial of kyle rittenhouse, a wanna-be militia member from illinois who traveled to wisconsin to the protests. he is accused of murdering two black lives matter protesters and wounding a third. one of the jurors was removed after making a vile joke about blake's shooting. joining me now georgetown law professor. you know my friend, paul, i don't have a good feeling about this case. i'm always cynical. i always assume that it's very difficult to police almost never get convicted. and it's very hard to convict, unfortunately, when a black person is the one who was killed and they're killed by somebody who is white. i just assume the person is going to get off. so i came into this very cynically. when you look at the composition of these jurors, in the ahmaud arbery indicates, it's four white man, one black men, 11 white women for 16 total in the jury pool. when it comes to the kyle rittenhouse trial, it's 11 white men, seven white men, one black man, and then person was let go because they made a really bad joke. it says to me that because group think happens on jurks and i've talked enough to lawyers like yourself what happens when there is only one person of trial, i think of the zimmerman trial when this there was one woman of color. she was on the side of conviction, but she was up against these other people, all of whom were white and who were clearly on the side of the shooter. so what happens? what do you think? >> joy we know that when a jury is all white or just has one or two people of color, defendants may end up being found not guilty even if they are guilty. and the verdict will not be seen as legitimate. the reality is that race matters in george zimmerman's trial for killing trayvon martin. five of the six jurors were white. zimmerman was acquitted. the jury was racially diverse, chauvin was convicted. this is typical. black jurors are discriminated against, denied their equal protection right under the constitution. black people accused of crimes can be tried with no black people in their jury and that jeopardizes their constitutional right to equal justice under the law. >> we can't exclude the fact that voting restrictions also keep you off the jury pool. if you are barred from being registered to vote, you can't be on a jury. all of these things work together. this is why critical race theory exists, y'all. this is what they study under critical race theory in law school, because there are systems in place. when i think about these trials, especially the arbery trial, all i can think about is the emmett till trial, the milam trial, the trial of these two fiends who lynched a 14-year-old boy. and an all white jury was spit-spot, they're fine. all go home. that's all i can think about. what with you? >> now it's 2021, and we're still talking about virtually all white juries in a case in georgia about white men who lynched a black person. the georgia jury found 12 african americans were qualified to sit on that jury. they could be fair and objective. the defense then removed 11 of those 12 black jurors. the defense claimed it's based on how they answered questions. but some white jurors said the same things of things. they didn't get struck. one white juror said she thought mr. arbery had been racially profiled. another white juror said she had long conversations with her husband about this case. another white juror said that she thinks that race matters in criminal justice. all those white folks are still on the juror, but the defense used answers like that from black perspective jurors to get rid of them. >> yeah. and, listen, we dent want to presume that white americans cannot clearly judge this case. walter scott, i'm not sure what the makeup of that jury was. i clearly do not expect that police officer to be convicted, but in the federal trial, he was. and i don't know what the composition of that jury was. we don't want to presume how anyone will decide. but it's a compounding effect. because in the rittenhouse case, it ain't the composition of the jury. it's the judge. the judge bruce schroeder's history. in 1987, he made headlines requires aids tests for sex workers. told he would be challenged for violating civil liberties. he just said "i hope so." in 2006, schrader had such a bad reputation that hundreds of defendants requested a different judge causing a massive backlog in kenosha county. in 2021 the court overturned him for shaming. any time she entered the store she has to tell management that she is a thief. this guy is outrageous. he is trying to make himself part -- he is not like a quiet judge in the background. he is very, very public. he seems at least at this point to have made rulings that sounds like he's a part of the defense. what do you make of that? >> joy, today the judge went off on the media, claiming their criticism of the way he's conducting the case is undermining public confidence. you know what's undermining public confidence? the way the judge is conducting the case. here are legitimate concerns. last week he allowed the three men who rittenhouse killed to be described as criminals, but at the same time the prosecutors are allowed to call them victims. >> we're going to be watching this trial. we're going call you many, many times. don't make too many plans. appreciate you, paul butler. coming up, inching closer and closer to finalizing the final version of this spending and infrastructure bill. congresswoman pramila jayapal joins us next. next. saline. for fast drug free relief vicks sinex. instantly clear everyday congestion. and try vicks sinex children's saline. safe and gentle relief for children's noses. tonight, i'll be eating a club sandwich with fries and a side of mayonnaise. 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better and infrastructure bills would happen before the end of the week. in an effort to make sure they have the votes necessary when pelosi brings them to the floor, nbc news has learned that biden himself is calling house democrats to rally support. yesterday the house added four weeks of paid family leave back into the social spending bill. of course that's something senator joe manchin says he would not support. each after a months' long process after watching the sausage being made, manchin said it's all still moving too fast for him. >> the only thing i would say is the rush to this, and iowa said this long before, i truly believe that we need to slow down. i truly believe that we need to wait and see if inflation is transitory. see how much worse it may get. hopefully it doesn't. >> joining me now is congresswoman pramila jayapal of washington state, chair of the congressional progressive caucus. thank you, congresswoman, for being here. i guess my first question should be have you gotten a call from the president on whether or not a vote will take place? >> i have not, joy. i have not gotten it. and frankly, i would really appreciate that he continues to call anybody who is not certain about whether or not they're going to vote for the build back better act. we are now down to really a handful of people. and i have every hope that we will quickly finish this and we will be able to pass both bills out of the house and send them over to the senate. >> and here is -- here is the rub. let's say that you all are able to get to a bill, to a vote, and both bills pass. we already know that the -- that there are enough republicans to pass the infrastructure bill. do you have any guarantees that there are enough votes to pass the build back better bill in the senate? >> well, look, i mean we have said for some time that this was a deal that was negotiated by the president himself and senator manchin and senator cinema, and that we would trust the president, that he was confident that he could get 51 votes. that's what he told news the caucus. that's what he's told me directly. and we believe him. he is going to get 51 votes. now i hear what some people are saying on the other side, but i do believe that this is too important to people across this country, to the democratic party, to the president for anyone to vote against this once it goes to the senate. so no, we don't have a full and complete assurance. we are taking a bit of a leap of faith. but were trusting president biden, who i believe has done a lot of work to assure himself that he's going to get 51 votes in the senate. >> well, here is the question. do those 51 votes include joe manchin? because here is joe manchin just today, and he's talking about the country. and this doesn't sound like a guy who is ready to vote for paid family leave being back in the build back better bill. take a listen. >> we can't go too far left. this is not a center-left or a left country. we are a center if anything, a little center-right country that's being shown. and we ought to be able to recognize that. >> he sounds like somebody if you put together the two sound bites we've played in this segment so far as somebody who would very much like to push off the build back better bill, keep talking about it, maybe infinitely until it dies. what do you think? >> well, that was why we insisted that we had to move both bills together and we had to get to the end of negotiation on the build back better act. i do think that senator manchin has been negotiating with the white house in good faith. i will say that the paid leave provision, he has been very clear for quite some time that he does not support that in the reconciliation bill. we are, of course, very happy that the speaker decided to put it in any way. but we have to recognize that that is -- that was something he was quite clear that he didn't support. an it's really frustrating to, you know, millions of women and families across this country who desperately need childcare. excuse pay, paid leave. we're one of only six countries that doesn't offer that. the richest country in the world and we don't offer paid leave. it is incredibly frustrating. but look this situation is frustrating. because we have very slim margins. we only have 50 votes. and we only have 50 votes because we also have senator joe manchin. if we didn't have joe manchin we would have 49 votes and wouldn't have control of the senate. that's the reality of the situation we're in. we worked very hard. and, you know, the progressive caucus endorsed the president's framework last thursday a week ago. and because we believe that this is now the best bill that we can get. now, we have continued to push for more. and just two days ago there was a deal announced on pharmaceutical drug pricing, which is not everything we wanted by any stretch of the imagination. but it is a significant movement forward. and it is something that we need to show big pharma that we are ready to take them on. so that was a really great addition. maybe that can happen with paid leave as well. but we are ready now, joy, to pass these two bills. and at the end of the day to, you know, change the -- -- sort of the economic circumstance of families across this country who -- for whom if they got universal child care -- can you imagine, joy, what that would mean to women and families across the country who have been pushed out of the workplace during the pandemic and want to go back to work but don't have any child care or can't afford it, that they would only have to pay 7% of their income on child care instead like in my case 24,000 a year on child care. it's crazy. >> yeah, oh, yeah, absolutely. no as somebody who when i had my third child. even though my husband did a great job. we couldn't afraid you i became a freelancer i kotb afford 1,200 a month it was too much money. let me ask one with question. the argue about paid family leave and child care, things that would fundamentally help women of color but all women. the arguments against them some are just hard economic, i don't like the idea of spending this money like margin. here is one that's likds. here is lo lorin bosch. >> listen i'm a mother of four. i delivered one of my children in the front seat of my truck. because as a mom of four, we got things to do. ain't nobody got time for two and a half months of maternity leave. we have a world to save here. >> i hope she hit the brakes at least and put her guns down after popping out the baby apparently in her truck. your thoughts. not even on that -- go ahead. >> okay. i won't even touch that. i mean, look, we are the party of parents. you know, republican strategists say we're for parents. how can you be for parents when you don't want to give parents child care, paid leave, the child tax credit not a single republican voted for the american rescue plan. let's not forget that, joy. let's get these done. let's help poor people across 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