are saying about the speaker's gamble. and the last-minute negotiating behind closed doors. plus, what about that bipartisan infrastructure bill? new details on a timeline for a vote on that. spoiler -- hope you don't have weekend plans. i'm hallie jackson in washington. i definitely don't have plans this weekend. along with nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, olivia beavers is joining us, as well, congressional reporter for "politico." and pete, let me start with you and this hearing related to the documents on january 6th from the trump white house. you say the judge seemed skeptical about the arguments that were being made by those trump attorneys who were looking to keep those documents out of the hands of the january 6th committee. why? >> well, the trump lawyers are making two arguments here. first of all, they say that the january 6th committee has no legislative purpose that congressional committees don't have a freestanding authority to investigate, they can only gather information if they're writing laws. and trump's lawyers say they're not doing that, what they're seeking is not germane to writing laws. that didn't seem to sit well with the judge. she said, are you saying the president's notes, talking points, and records of controversial conversations on january 6th have no bearing on the investigation? and later she said, these are about who the president was talking to as people were breaking windows and climbing into the capitol. so that argument didn't seem to go over very well with the judge. and secondly, the trump lawyers argue that the president even though he's no longer in office still has some residual executive privilege that he should be able to exert over the documents. the justice department lawyer said yes, under a supreme court decision involving president nixon and the general services administration, the supreme court did say that former presidents have some authority, but that the ultimate decisionmaker is the current occupant of the white house. so the justice department said to the judge, yes, mr. trump has some authority to exert executive privilege, he's done so, and the president has rejected his claim. and that's the end of the matter. it's not up to the judge to second guess it. so for all those reasons, hallie, and others, i think it's clear that the judge here is going to deny the president's request to try to block this. >> what is the timeline for next steps here? lay out sort of where this goes from here. >> well, the deadline that's been set by archives when they would begin to turn over this disputed material is november 12th. and the judge said she will issue her ruling, as she said today, expeditiously. and she did do this on a hurry up schedule, this hearing. i would assume that she'll issue a ruling in the next few days. then if she as seems apparent declines to block the hand-over, then the trump lawyers can go to the u.s. court of appeals to a three-judge panel and try again there. and if they fail there, they can try ask the supreme court. >> any roadblocks that the trump team could put up between now and november 12th, pete, again only next week? >> no, this is it. this is their only chance. their only chance because the president's records act says when a former president tries to block something and the current president says no, then archives shall release the material unless blocked by a federal court. so this is the only court they can go to. this is their only other trout try to block it. >> we know that the january 6th select committee wants to see the documents. olivia, there's some other development with nbc news confirming the scoop by "politico" and your colleagues that more than 150 people have been interviewed by that committee according to vice chair liz cheney. what can you tell us, what do we know about who, how those have been going, who else is left at this point? >> hallie, this is a sign that the committee is making progress, like we were talking about with the court case that pete just detailed. this is another sign, and we found out today 150 witnesses, whether they were voluntary or depositions, is a huge number that we didn't know about. and that just emphasizes how much is happening behind closed doors outside of the public eye. and it raises the question who are they talking to. now we have some names, a very few names in comparison to 150, and -- >> we don't have 150 names, olivia. i don't think any news organization is looking at an excel spreadspreadsheet with 15s of people who talked to the committee. >> far from it. trump officials, activists, and we know that they have tried to get steve bannon and a few others from names that we have seen through subpoenas, but the other names are people who are putting themselves voluntarily and talking and -- and so that's what we're trying to find out now. and as well as how many documents that they've had turned over through these voluntary witnesses. so really the 150 number is giving us a little glimpse into the work that the committee's doing, but it's raising a lot more questions about what we don't know what this committee is getting and how they're collecting the information. >> olivia, great reporting, thank you for that. pete williams, as always, thanks to you, as well. we want to stay on capitol hill because late this afternoon we've got house speaker nancy pelosi out with a new argument to try to overcome those objections to the $1.75 trillion classmate and social spending bill. she says it's paid for. she's releasing a new analysis from the nonpartisan joint committee on taxation. i want to bring in nbc's alley i have tall -- ali vitaly, and msnbc contributor joining us, too. where are we when it comes to a vote on the bigger spending bill? do you read this move by speaker pelosi as a signal that releasing this analysis is going to be enough to move the needle and get this done? >> well, she hopes so, and hallie, just as a caution, i'm outside the house chamber right now where they're voting. so you're going to hear beeping, people talking to me. the speaker is on the floor. if for some reason she comes behind me, we'll be watching. in terms of what this joint tax proposal gives us, there are members who wanted to see what this would look like from the jct or from the congressional budget office. there's still people who want to see those analyses. but pelosi tried to blunt that criticism today and trying to push this thing along. behind closed doors what our sources are telling us is she told her caucus that she want to see a vote on the larger social spending package, potentially as early as this evening, and moving to the bipartisan infrastructure bill tomorrow morning. but at the same time, we've been at that precipice before, and there's still jockeying happening within the democratic caucus, people trying to do things like negotiate on the salts cap, also trying to figure out what the final text of the bill is. all of these things are disparate threads that are still out there. congressman jeffries, for example, just walked by. we asked him what he thought about a vote tonight. he just said "we'll see what happens." but pelosi disappointed that this has taken so long. we heard it today in her press conference. listen. >> really very unhappy about not passing this last week. i really was very unhappy because we had an october 31st deadline. and i thought that that was eloquent but not enough i guess. so now we're going to pass both bills, but in order to do so, we have to have votes for both bills. and that's where we are. >> using senate speak, bif for the bipartisan infrastructure bill. there are many in her caucus who wanted to see that passed already, and it's echoed on the other side of the table by joe manchin who feels bolstered that he wants to see that bill passed immediately, and then they can move to the larger social spending package. because the sense of the democratic caucus right now between both moderates and progressives is that they're ready to move on this. progressives saying they trust biden when he says that he can get the 51 votes needed to move it in the senate. talking to joe manchin, he's not in any rush. that's not new. he's said repeatedly let's take the time to get it right. >> anybody who heard him on mj knows that where's he's been and where he remains, ali. thank you. when we talk about the salt cap, the state and local tax deduction negotiation happening there. jake, to you here, subscribers of punch bowl news midday are getting a lot of interesting information as we come into 3:08 eastern time this afternoon. a ton of dynamics involved as you point out. yet another, call it what it is, self-imposed deadline from nancy pelosi on what she wants to get done. what she hopes will get done that may not come to fruition. >> yeah. i mean, she's blown past every deadline so far. she mentioned one which is i think october 31st. she also had a september deadline and wanted to get the bill passed before joe biden -- she said this, we didn't set this deadline -- by the time joe biden landed in rome last week, i believe that was last week. and she struggled. the democratic caucus has struggled. let's tick take a step back. she wanted to pass this bill in concert with the senate, meaning have a deal with the house that could also pass the senate. she's not going to have that now. she's passing what amounts to a messaging bill, a position that the house will take that the senate will change, and i have to imagine that that's going to result from my experience in a much longer process in terms of getting this bill to president biden's desk. now she could pass the infrastructure bill today. she could just say we don't have the votes on the build-back-better act. we could get a bill to the white house today, have a signing ceremony next week with a bipartisan group of people. but she's not going do that. she wants both of these to pass in concert. she's had that position also for a long time. so hallie, everything is uncertain. i mean, our headline at "punch bowl news midday," and thanks for the shout out, is we're skeptical that this will happen today. i will it will you we are expecting a dear colleague, a letter from nancy pelosi to her colleagues, in this hour we imagine. we expect it's going to lay out what she sees as the path forward. remember, next week is a recess week for congress. if they want to get this done before thanksgiving basically, they need to get it done this week or at least into this weekend or next week. >> you might be wondering, folks, why we're showing you a big picture -- portrait of george washington. not because we think it's such great art, although i guess it's fine, it's because speaker pelosi will be in front of those microphones momentarily to be swearing in new members of congress. we may get some certainty, she may take a couple of questions on news of day topics there. jake, i know that if you, ali, get the dear colleague letter -- >> we just got it. it does not say much of anything. it just -- it just touts the joint committee on taxation report which as we discussed reports that the bill raises $1.5 trillion in ten years. so no -- no news on the path forward, hallie. >> ali, at some point she's got to lay that out presumably before tonight. whether it's a vote tonight or not. >> or not. there is a world in which people want to see the vote tonight. that exists. at the same time, she doesn't have to lay out the plan ahead. everyone throughout the halls of congress is saying we're going to see what happens, we're asking them every time we pass them throughout the halls. this is at least the midday update from the speaker. and right now it has no update on the plan ahead. it's because she's still jockeying, still on the floor. the house added a few more votes. that gives her more time to talk with members. but the parameters of this have remained the same. the same people who were asking for more time to read the text and more time for a cbo score are the same people who they have been all along. and those are the people that she's now trying to corral at least in regards to the social spending package that build-back-better piece of it. >> and you can see the speaker presiding over the house floor now. we're obviously going to monitor what she says there, what she says in just a couple of minutes. we'll bring you news as we get it. all over it as always, guys, thanks to the both of you. appreciate it. we want to get to other breaking news. in another federal case we're following, right now we're watching the virginia courthouse, you're about to see, that's the door there. for the first court appearance in the arrest of the investigation into the investigation, the inquiry tasked with looking into how the russia investigation got started. igor manchenko, the main source, is in federal court after his arrest this morning. i want to bring in ken delanian. give us the primer, right. who is he, what's he charged with, what's the status of the court situation here? >> igor danchenko is a russian who lives in virginia. he's accused of lying to fbi agents when they questioned him in 2017 about information -- he was passing on to christopher steele. he was the primary information gatherer for steele. the third person to be charged in, as you put it, this investigation of the investigation by special counsel john durham who's been investigating how the fbi handled the trump russia probe. if you'll recall, an fbi lawyer pleaded guilty to altering an email in support of a surveillance application, was sentenced to probation. a private lawyer is fighting a charge that he lied to the fbi. now they're saying danchecnko said he didn't get information from a longtime clinton supporter with democratic party ties. the indictment says some parts of the dossier did come from the clinton supporter. that's important. the indictment suggests but doesn't teal assert that the person who's identified as pr executive one in the court filing might have been a source for the dossier's most salacious allegation which is that trump cavorted with prostitutes in the presidential suite of moscow's ritz carlton hotel back in 2013. the court filing notes that the executive stayed at the hotel and took a tour of the presidential suite in june, 2016, days before steele's report on the topic. that is going to create some buzz. and it says had danchenko been more honest the fbi would have asked more questions about his involvement in the story and the involvement of the pr executive. they're seizing on this saying the investigation is a hoax, unfounded. i would point people back to the bipartisan senate intelligence committee report which documented dozens of unexplained contacts between the trump campaign and russia, and which basically said that the trump campaign was wide open to russian election interference. and that report, 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hospitalizations and deaths by as much as 50%. i want to bring in monica alba along with infectious diseases physician and msnbc medical contributor. as we wait for kareem jean pierre to answer some of the many questions on this, talk about the game plan for companies and for the white house to see this deadline through. >> this is notable because earlier this year the president said he was a little bit hesitant about any vaccine mandates, but that quickly changed over the summer once we did see the delta variant, of course, in that horrific surge. then when the president unveiled his six-prong strategy he said he would ask the department of labor to look into the emergency rule. now we have it, and we have all the details. so the white house is essentially going to require for millions of workers in this country, we're talking more than 80 million or so, that they get vaccinated or have to submit to some rigorous testing depending on which kind of industry you work in. and the deadline for all of that will be january 4th. so about two months from now. if you work at a business with more than 100 employees you have to have proof of vaccination or submit to the testing that will be determined and handled by the employer. if you're a health care worker, for instance, it's going to be more strict. you will have to be vaccinated. then if you're one of those federal contractors who does business with the u.s. government, similarly you're going to have to get vaccinated. remember that they thought maybe for december these would be some of the deadlines. instead the white house decided they wanted everybody to be on the same page. they'd give everybody time because there were concerns also about workers who were going to be working on some of the supply chain disruption with the holidays coming up. they said they didn't want to have to face any potential shorter workages so they wanted to have everybody essentially be on the same page by january, and that's why the white house is now alerting everybody to do that. >> right. i think worker shortages, that's one of the concerns there. dr. madelia, when you look at the issues with merck there and regulators, there's some, you know, impressive claims, right, about this new drug. does the data back it up? what's your professional assessment here? >> well, hallie, we actually haven't seen the full study because it hasn't been published. we know that it was submitted on october 11th, and the meeting for the fda committee scheduled november 30th. we're probably going to see data in a couple of weeks. the reason there's optimism is the study was stopped early by an independent safety and data monitoring board that said the claims look really good. the promise is that it's something by mouth that could really change the course particularly for those who are high risk, the trial looked at people over 60 or have a medical condition, and that's how uk has approved it, as well. there's some limitations. one is, you know, u.s. so far has purchase good 1.7 million courses of this, we're still seeing a lot of cases. it depends how much we can manufacture. it still costs $700 for a course. you have to take it in the first seven days of -- sorry, the first five days of your illness. you have to be tested during that time, diagnosed, to get the medication, to be able to qualify for it. last thing i'll say is there is some concern that this is not going to be the first sign. the vaccines are still your first sign because prevention is always better than the cure because there's still 50% of the people who ended up in the hospital. and the other reason is the way that this drug works. the drug -- the drug works by introducing errors into the way the virus replicates and the concerns is that it might introduce errors that help the virus. you don't want to use it more widely than you need to. >> good point. what is your emergency here -- we don't have a ton of time, so i'm curious, though, to people who say, you know, there are already anti-vax advocates who say, listen, we have these anti-viral drugs now to treat covid so it doesn't matter if you get the shot or not. what's your message to those folks? >> well, it's never going to replace it. like i said, prevention is always going to be better than cure. do you want to be one of the 50% who do end up being in the hospital? and even if you don't end up in the hospital, there's also the risk of having long covid which we know in a percentage of people who recover you might have persistent symptoms for a while. of course, you know, like i said, i think that we want to reserve these drugs for really the high-risk folks who have already gotten the vaccines when we need to use them because we don't want to give the virus any more advantages than we need to. >> doctor, monica alba, thanks to you. much appreciated. i know the white house briefing has begun. we'll keep an eye on that. and we'll talk to coming up about the fight or 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>> yeah. i focused on texas, the lone star state sends more republicans to congress than any other state, and the way they've drawn their maps they expect to keep it that way for the next ten years. >> republicans what republicans have done is taken a map where they had 23 seats, eight of which were vulnerable, and they've created a new map where they're going to have 24 seats, only one. which is vulnerable. >> reporter: they built a fortress around their incumbents. facing a booming latino population and slipping support in the suburbs, texas republicans took advantage of the state's sheer size to shore up their members. take for example michael mccall's tenth district. after a couple of close races, map makers lopped off a section of diverse and fast-growing harris county and replaced it with vast swaths of land in conservative and rural areas north and west of houston. state republicans say their maps are fair, and if texas' two new districts, one is drawn to be safely democratic in austin. the other safely republican near houston. >> we do not consider race in drawing the maps -- >> reporter: activists have filed multiple lawsuits. >> they're afraid of the demographic minority, demographic growth in population of the state and the tendency for them to vote democrat. >> reporter: texas democrats know they've got their work cut out for them, a very difficult decade ahead. that means for congressional democrats, they've got to make up the difference somewhere else. >> reporter: that's why i'm in albany, new york. new york is one of 18 states with a democratic majority legislature. this year they're using an independent commission to redraw the maps, but ultimately it's up to the democrats in the building behind me to decide. new york is losing one. its 27 congressional seats due to population loss. like in utica, a city in the center of the state, it's currently a swing district and represented by republican claudia tenney. it's also surrounded by mostly republican districts, including elise stefanik to the north, john catc to the west and john reed to the southwest. right now there are two maps and utica is critical. the republican proposal would solidify this as a republican seat, taking swaths of stefanik's large rural district. the democrats's's plan would make this a stronghold folding in syracuse and ithaca. >> this process will only work because of your help. >> reporter: the commission has three months to come up with a consensus map, and then the legislature could still disdard. is the commission working? >> oh, absolutely. i think that we have been doing a stupendous job of going out there, getting public input, getting people to talk about their communities. >> reporter: do you have faith that the legislature will accept the work of the commission? >> well, i don't, frankly. i think, you know, the legislature is there to try and maximize their own partisan advantage. >> reporter: and new york democrats have a lot at stake and a choice to make because what they do actually impacts democrats in washington. if new york democrats undermine the independent commission, then that undercuts congressional democrats' attempts to take politicians completely out of the map-making efforts. >> it's great reporting. cool with to see you in different areas of the country dealing with the same issue. a lot of what you reported on and what you talked about would likely have to do with incoming members of congress. what about people who are already there at the capitol, people already elected? >> reporter: in texas the maps make every seat basically less competitive. so there are two seats that democrats took in 2018, allred's seat near dallas, fletcher's seat near houston. those actually get more blue, more democratic. it's -- you got to put the democratic votes somewhere, and republicans stuff them into those two already democratic districts. it basically makes the whole map less competitive. if you're that far ahead like republicans are in texas, that works for you. it doesn't work everywhere else, though. >> reporter: it doesn't work everywhere else because it's part of republican strategy. they think they have a prime political environment right now, and coupled with redistricting, they think they're going to make up and win dozens and dozens of seats in the midterms, hallie. >> much appreciated to the both of you. a joint jam there our capitol hill correspondents. appreciate it. we want to turn now to some breaking news as it relates to the trump organization investigation. i want to bring in "the washington post" david farenthal with a post saying the manhattan da has convened a new grand jury as part of the investigation. david is behind the reporting for "the washington post" and msnbc. david, is there because of potential new charges, or something more logistical like that the old grand jury just ran out of time? >> well, we don't know enough to say. it could be a bit of both. the old grand jury was empaneled in the spring, around april or may. it was expected to go six months. it ran for that time. those grand juries indicted allen weisselberg, trump's cfo, and it may be time for them to end and a new bunch of people to pick up the work. it's been a long time for these grand jurors. the interesting thing to me is that it signals two things. one, they need to look at new subject matter, the valuations of trump's assets. and two, this may go on long into the term of a new manhattan da instead of ending with the old one. >> can you remind folks, you know, who may -- who may not be as red as -- how we got to this point. >> this is a criminal investigation of the trump organization by the manhattan da. and it -- it basically sfrang out of michael cohen. if you remember ions ago in 2018 and 2019, michael cohen said i work for the trump organization, they committed all sorts of problematic things. but one of the things was that they exaggerated or manipulated the values of their assets to fool their lenders, to fool their insurers, and to fool property tax authorities. that launched this investigation by the da, a separate one, a civil one by the new york attorney general that got hung up in court fights over trump's taxes, they lasted for a long time. and then only in 2020, two years after they began -- sorry, 2021, three years after they began was anybody indicted. there's no guarantee anybody else will. this shows it will continue for quite a while. >> to get specific, i believe that you and your team at the "post" are reporting three days a week over the next six months is the expectation? >> yeah. they're expected -- they started on friday, they're expected to hear evidence this afternoon in lower manhattan, and they're supposed to be three days a week for at least six months. >> if you're donald trump or his attorneys, are you nervous a little about there? or is this an expected part of the process? >> it's a little bit unexpected. i don't know what their expectations were. i think a lot of us thought that cyrus vance, this was his baby for years. when his term ended, the end of the year, this would be the end of the case. we would know who was going to get indicted and who wasn't. this signals a new term, into the new year, we don't know when it's going to end. that surprised me. i don't know if it surprised them. >> david, great reporting. thank you for jumping up in fronts of the camera. this literally just posted on "the washington post." i commend folks to read it. thanks. nbc news has not yet confirmed this report. we're working to match it. we should note that the former president himself, donald trump, has not been charged with any crime. i want to bring in now georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, author of a book "integrity counts" available now. thank you for being on the show. appreciate you joining us. obviously we've got some breaking news, we're bringing you in. i'm glad to have you with us. >> well, thank you. >> i would ask any reaction to the news that we just heard from "the washington post" on your front. >> no. i'm focused on what we do in georgia. and just brought my book. "integrity counts." goes through point by point about what happened the last election. so that's really -- i set the record straight. >> i'm going ask you about that. while we're on the subject of things that are happening in georgia, right, and investigations into the former president, there's obviously that fulton county da investigation of the former president's attempts to interfere with the election in your state. i know you told chuck todd last month, sir, that you would gladly participate or gladly talk to those folks. have you had an interview yet with them? have they requested to speak with you at this point? >> no, i haven't. but as i said, we would cooperate with any investigation. we sent the docs that were requested. you have to follow the law, follow the constitution, and they have constitutional authority to convene a grand jury. >> so they requested documents. they requested to speak with you directly yet? >> no. not yet. but they've talked to some other people. >> as you know, you talked about your book, and i think people know most of your story, right, which is that you were on the other end of that now-infamous phone call from then-president donald trump, now former president trump where he essentially asked to find some votes in georgia to help overturn the results, the legitimate results of that election. what's interesting is we're flashing forward right to this year, and i'm sure you watched what unfolded on tuesday in, for example, virginia. the victory by the republican in that instance, glenn youngkin, very absent this year, any claims of widespread election fraud. why do you think that is? >> i think because in the case of virginia it's pretty clear when you have a big 6% or 8% win that who can actually question those results. and so it was a tremendous victory. and so congratulations to glenn youngkin. >> certainly a close election. we know it was a dead heat heading into this. i know that you yourself are running for re-election next year. and i wonder one of the things that i know you've talked about as you've been talking about your book is threats to elections workers. that's an issue we've covered on this show and this network. we're talking about state and local officials, right, who are doing there because they believe in the importance of the democratic process. so i wonder as you look ahead to the next, you know, eight, nine, ten months before your primary, maybe a little less, have you received any threats recently? what has that experience been like for you personally? >> no, just getting texts or voicemail. some people don't care for my book, but i'm sure they haven't read it. that's why we put it out there, set the record straight. if people have intellectual honesty, intellectual curiosity, read the book. if you're going -- you're going to come to the same conclusion, that president trump did not carry the state of georgia. we can look at it point by point, but 28,000 people skipped the presidential ballot near georgia but yet voted down ballot. and then david perdue, our former senator, got 20,000 votes in metro atlanta that president trump did. those data points tell it all right there. >> do you anticipate -- i mean, donald trump has already made clear how he feels about you and the answer is not great. i can't imagine you two will have another phone call again. i know if your book you laid out the full transcripts of that phone call with him along with what you describe as i think some of your observations on that front. there are plenty of republicans, as we look at what happened this week on the election, who are still talking about election fraud, right, potential -- again, things that aren't true about what happened in 2020. we have the midterms coming up. you have your primary coming up. is this the gop that you want to be a part of here? >> i think that we need to realize that we have honest and fair elections, particularly in georgia. that's where my focus has been. this started back with stacey abrams, that she got a hall pass by a lot of people in national media when she said she did not concede her loss by 55,000 votes. that set the table for 2020 where then president trump talked about voter suppression, voter fraud. it undermines voter trust. so we need to get back to people accepting the results of the elections, understanding that we have fair and honest elections in georgia. and that's what we proved, that's why we have a lot of data in my book, all back tested, all fact based. so people can look at -- they have to really face the facts. >> i need to note i'm not trying to get down a rabbit hole with you on stacey abrams here. i do want to make sure people are aware that stacey abrams did acknowledge her loss. that is something that she did do in the aftermath of the election. let me ask but what happened in washington, the republican voting rights bill. you tweeted yesterday that the bill would, quote, undermine the security of our elections. you have become -- listen, you have a national profile now, sir, because you have spoken up against interference in the elections as it relates to your interactions with former president trump. how do you square that now with a bill that's intended to safeguard exactly that? those elections? >> well, the bill actually, the federal bill would actually not do that because you'd have same-day registration which would create chaos for the county election officials when people come up to register during the day. and also in effect what it does is it just does away with photo i.d., you sign an affidavit that says that's who you are. photo i.d. has been show it does not decrease any turnout, any demographic group. that it actually then helps shore up voter confidence. it's a solid way. so they want to do away with photo i.d. you do away with photo i.d. and affidavits that means -- opens the door to noncitizens voting. a large majority of both parties believe that only american citizens should vote in our elections. >> there's a wide spath of states, as you know, 18 states that have same day, you know, voter registration. again, i don't want to get down a rabbit hole with you, we want to talk a little about this broader issue, like i said, of election integrity, security. as you said, election threats. to be clear, sir, you -- i know you were getting threats initially after the news about your phone call with former president trump. those have abated it sounds like? >> yeah. the last one we put in the book was two weeks after easter when trisha got one. it was, you know, people prayed for us to die every day, and it comes from jesus.com. that's not the jesus follower that i would have. it's sad that they would use jesus' name to give out death threats to people. >> georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. thank you for your time. thanks for being on the show, and we'd love to stay updated on any interactions you have with the fulton county d.a. appreciate your time. >> thank you. after the break, a top senate democrat on the budget committee, debbie stabenow, joining us live one on one, there she is, on her party's big election losses, taking us inside negotiations on capitol hill. apitol hill mm. 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>> well, hallie, at this point, i mean, we're going step by step by step, and what we know is it will be done when it's done. but it's really important that it get done. it get done. when i look at what's happening to families being squeezed, you know, because of an economy that shut down completely. and now we are trying to open it up and there is a real mismatch between the manufacturing supply chains and food and transportation and labor and so on. so costs are going.. we know they are not going to stay up, but they are going up right now. we are laser focused on getting build back better done because it guess right to people's costs. i am so excited about the fact that by lowering prescription drug prices in this bill we have now got agreement on we are going to be able to cap the cost of insulin alone for a family, $35 a month for somebody, for you, or your child. that is a big deal, just that one thing. then we know to get the economy going we have got to be talking about supporting women and men, predominantly women who are particularly juggling children and child care needs. if we can cap child care expenses at 7% of income for a lot of families and help folks get back into the work force and have 3 and 4-year-olds going into universal pre-k and getting them off to a good start and also getting folks back into the work force, we have got to do it. we will do night let me ask you about immigration. this is on issue that people want to see in this bill. others think it is better left in another setting. this proposal would give protections to undocumented immigrants who entered the u.s. before 20 1. i understand where you are on immigration generally. is this something you support in this bill? i am not sure where you stand on this? >> i do support anything we can do. as you know, we have issues around what can be done in a budget bill a budge reconciliation bill. but i can tell with you a different hat on, since i chair the agriculture, nutrition and forestry committee. what i hear about all the time, including today, from farmers, is you know, they need help in terms of agriculture workers. the house earlier this year passed an important bill addressing ag workers as well as daca young people and other protections. and so i would love to see whatever we are able to do. what we really need is comprehensive immigration reform that addresses all of it. but until we can get there, we need to do what we can do. >> one of the things to get into more of a pure politics question for a second here, in her news conference this morning, you heard the speaking acknowledge it would have been helpful if they had gotten this done, passed a bill to show that democrats can get results as relates to tuesday's election in virginia. our exit poll shows democrats lost white men and women. women siding with youngkin by more than 14 points there. are you concerned that this could be a problem for your party and other states in the midterm in what is your assessment moving forward? >> first of all, hallie, we are ayear away from that. and i am confident all of these things are going to get done. it is always the monday morning quarterbacking that can always happen and of course does happen in the situation we are in. but i know the things that are teed up are going to make a difference and they are going to get done. not just the infrastructure bill, not just the build back better effort to lower peep's costs. and by the way, paid for. we are making sure the wealthy pay their fair share, which is the other piece of it, so we can lower peep's costs. but the other bill we passed a few months, innovation and competition act. hasn't gotten a lot of attention but it is about competing with china and other countries, about doing things that i care deeply about, like having these semiconductors, these chips made in the united states so we are not dependent on one company in taiwan for automobile manufacturing chips. that piece on innovation, bringing jobs home, coupled with the infrastructure bill that's going to connect everybody with internet and deal with roads and bridges and get rid of those lead pipes that we certainly are very concerned about in michigan. but this additional piece that goes directly to lowering people's costs, keeping the tax cut going for families, and then addressing our economy, and what we need to do around jobs, and climate. >> yeah. >> and so on. >> okay. senator debby stabenow, thank you for your time and for being with us this afternoon. i know there is a lot going on. we will be covering every minute of it. appreciate it. >> thanks. i want to turn to significant news from overseas. the state department now authorizing all non-essential state department staff and family members to leave ethiopia because of the ongoing civil war that started in the northern region of tee gray last year. also giving a warning for americans, do not travel there. saying if they do, get a will ready and get our hostage contingency plans ready and make funeral arrangements in case you do not come back. matt bradley is with us in london. good afternoon. >> hallie, that situation that you are describing right now in ethiopia, that year-long civil war has been catastrophic. it has reached a horrible point. the prime minister has announced a state of emergency that gives him broad powers to detain people, even to conscript people. the government has been launching air strikes against the rebels as they have advanced from the north. that's done almost nothing to stop their advance. now, what we are seeing is that the prime minister is saying that the residents of the area should take up arms themselves and fight against the rebels. that would add more disaster to i don't remember-long conflict that has already seen 2.5 million people displaced. about 5 million are in desperate need of food aid. half a mall are in a state of famine. a lot of institutions and aid organizations have written reports describing rape being used relatively frequently as a weapon of war. >> matt bradley, we are grateful to you for being on to report on this for us. thanks to all of you, too, for watching this hour of hallie jackson reports. 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