moment we are in with two experts. alyssa milano is saying "sorry not sorry" in her new book. i spoke to her about abortion rights, her arrest while protesting over voting rights and also asked if she plans to run for congress. you'll hear her answer tonight. the house is poised for a vote on the bipartisan and infrastructure bill again. maybe. will that bill and the crucial build back better bill finally make it across the finish line this week? joe biden's agenda depends on it. good evening. ever since i joined msnbc i have been talking about the f word. facism. every time i do someone somewhere has accused me of exaggeration, hyperbole, tried to tell me that is not really where america is or even close to. well, tonight i'm here to report that we are at the book banning stage of american authoritarianism. are you still not worried? republican lawmakers in texas led by this guy matt krauss have launched an investigation into school libraries to see if they are carrying books on certain subjects. a list that includes more than 850 books and critics say targets books about women, people of color, and lgbtq people specifically. it is shameful. it's shocking. and what else is shocking is representative krauss is refusing to provide any specifics about his probe claiming it would compromise the integrity of the potential investigation. what might he investigate? thoroughly educating the children of texas? i'd call this a witch hunt but donald trump has rendered that term completely void. before anyone dares tell me this isn't really america it's just texas, there is also the sunshine state under the less than sunny rule of florida gop governor ron desantis. three professors at the university of florida in gainsville, a state school, have been barred from testifying as expert witnesses in a voting rights case against the state. the university said it was adverse to uf's interests and may pose a conflict of interest. a spokesman for the university defended the move adding the school has a long track record of supporting free speech and did not deny the first amendment rights or academic freedom of the professors. no. you just denied their right to practice that freedom since the administration running the state disagreed with those three professors. it's the same thing. see voting rights groups filed a lawsuit challenging a new state law that severely limits the ability of florida voters to cast ballots through a drop box or by mail. just minutes after governor desantis signed it into law back in may. now, do we have a video for you of desantis signing the bill? photos perhaps? no. we do not. because desantis shut out all media from that event except for fox news. this photo is from him outside after he gave the exclusive rights to watching him restrict voting rights to the republican party's preferred media outlet. so restrict voting, restrict media access, restrekt the ability of academics employed by the state to speak out against you in a court of law. none of this sounds like a foreign tin pot dictatorship? but hey you might say it's just florida. it's just texas. nope. it's virginia, too. where on tuesday voters will decide the state's next governor in a race that is now turning on whether certain books should be allowed in schools. >> as a parent, it's tough to catch everything. so when my son showed me his reading assignment my heart sunk. it was some of the most explicit material you can imagine. i met with lawmakers. they couldn't believe what i was showing them. they passed bills requiring schools to notify parents when explicit content was assigned. but then governor terry mcauliffe vetoed it twice. he doesn't think parents should have a say. he said that. >> what is this abominable, shocking book this conservative activist the mother of a republican operative wanted banned? she tried to suppress "beloved" the acclaimed novel from nobel laureate tony morrison in which she portrays the graphic horrors of slavery. it happened nearly a decade ago. the democrat in the race today terry mcauliffe said this morning there is a reason morris is the targeted author. >> he wants to ban toni morrison's book "beloved" so he is going after one of the most preeminent african-american female writers in american history, won the nobel prize, presidential medal of freedom, and he wants her books banned. of all the hundreds of books you could look at, why did you take the one black female author? why did you do it? he is ending his campaign on a racist dog whistle just like he started the campaign when he talks about election integrity. >> none of this is principled from the republicans. to be clear in virginia the republican candidate for governor wants to give parent the power to decide which books are on the curriculum but in texas the gop state government is trying to find out what books are on the curriculum and restrict them. it seems they want to decide. which is it? it is almost as if the republican body is running two contradictory campaigns at once. that is weird. it's almost as if the gop doesn't care about books or speech or consistency. they care about dividing people and acquiring power. there is a reason mcauliffe's gop opponent glenn youngkin has made parental anxiety and manufactured outrage a focal point of his campaign. because it seems to be working. the race is not only a toss up but education now tops the economy at 24% as the top concern of virginia voters. last month it was just 15%. last month education voters favored mcauliffe by 33 points. now they tilt to youngkin by 9 a whopping 42-point swing. so yes we can talk about what is happening in virginia and florida and texas in the context of racism and our ability or inability to talk about racism. yes, we can talk about it in terms of elections and the future of the biden build back better agenda. what good is it to safe our infrastructure if we can't save our democracy? the bigger picture we cannot lose sight of, this is how facism works. this is putin's playbook in russia. the same one erdogan turns to in turkey and tucker carlson's buddy operates out of in hungary. republicans are doing everything in their power to turn the united states into the next authoritarian regime with the gop in power, a minority of votes indefinitely. on this halloween sunday be afraid. be very afraid about what is coming down the track. who better to discuss this with than jason stanley professor of philosophy at yale university and author of "how facism works" along with the professor of history in italian studies at new york university and author of "strongmen mussolini to the present." thank you both for joining me on the show. ruth, you and i have been discussing growing authoritarianism for years now and on this show all of this year. we have now reached the book banning stage. and yet, still, there is so much complacency among politicians and journalists in this country. >> yeah. in "strongmen" i write "strongmen" not only disappear but they disappear books and texts and ideas and whole fields of knowledge that conflict with their goals. sometimes the latter is a prelude to the former and in 2018 he banned gender studies. two years later, transgender and intersection people have no legal status. it starts in the universities and the schools and it moves on. lo and behold youngkin makes anti-trans campaigns together with anti-crt, part of this interlocking playbook. the other thing i am interested in is you mentioned representative krauss and trying to ban books that make people feel uncomfortable. this, too, is part of the playbook. the more you ask people to lie and the more you ask them to accept violence the more you have to give them away to assauge their consciences. the books he wants to ban are books that make people feel, quote, guilty or, quote, discomfort. that is kind of part of preparing to accept authoritarianism. it is very ominous. >> jason, as "slate" magazine points out the novel "beloved" has been challenged in u.s. schools in '96, '97, '98, 2007, 2006, 2012, 2015, 2016 and "slate" says it is never really about the book itself. is it the about the book now in virginia in 2021? >> no. all of this is about banning the kinds of material that would help us understand what is going on. ironically in 995 toni morrison gave a commencement address at howard university called "racism and facism" where she explained the interlocking history of american racism and european facism and the strategies by which it works. she talks about constructing an internal enemy. criminalizing the minority boys. these are the long standing structures of american facism that also interlock with things that affected european facism like jim crow, and what they are trying to do is wipe out the history of that so that young children don't learn that history. so that when they come around as they are doing right now to suppressing voting rights, to changing elections so that only one party wins so it is a one party state, no one remembers the history of that. >> that is deeply distressing but toni morrison was ahead of her time in some of her predictions and warnings. ruth, we have seen what happened in hungary. you mentioned it a moment ago. what is so fascinating and depressing here is it is happening in plain sight again, happening in slow motion. it is happening out in the open. the republicans aren't hiding any of this. >> no, they're not hiding any of this but they're counting on people not understanding what is going on and they've made a superb use of disinformation to make sure people are not understanding what is going on. the whole thing about wresting control of schools for parents is not only about privatizing skols so that you disinvest from the public sphere because some of these mothers' groups are asking people to have an exodus from public schools. it is also of course to wrest control of the curriculum. the other thing that's interesting here is that when you read the documents and the accusations against critical race theory, the propaganda works through association and they keep using the word indoctrination. this is part of this right wing playbook to present biden's administration and the democrats as socialist tyrants. this is a huge talking point. and so indoctrination goes with communism and this is all kind of a very well funded and well marshalled, organized campaign. >> oh, yes. what is so fascinating with the gop there's always projection. whatever they accuse other people of is what they are doing. if the critical race theory panic works in virginia on tuesday, it is going to be rolled out across the country by the gop ahead of the midterms next year isn't it? crt will be the new caravan from mexico if it isn't already. >> absolutely. it is culture war all the time now. ruth is absolutely right to draw attention to the growing focus on transgender, attack on transgender individuals, and gay rights. we have to remember that one of the central ministries of nazi germany was the ministry against sexuality and abortion. what you are trying to do here is trying to get ordinary social conservatives who are regular members of our democratic community panicked. you're trying to tell them they're going after your young boys. they're trying to transform them into girls. there is nothing you can do about it. because they're indoctrinating them. these conspiracy theories work by challenging people's manhood. so the idea is you can't protect your children. you need a strong leader to protect your children. so they are extending it as we saw in hungary and russia to gay rights, to transgender rights, and there by they'll draw in minority voters as well into this who are socially conservative into this moral panic. >> ruth just on critical race theory, this buzz word, it is very clear they don't care about critical race theory. they do care about not talking about racism, denying racism. listen to this clip from "showtime" with a conservative education activist as they call themselves. it is really quite revealing. >> i don't look a the person based on their skin color. i look at them based on their character. >> can i just interrupt for one thing? >> sure. >> i think there are probably plenty of people that would agree with exactly that. but just to be fair on the other side there are people especially young black men for example who would say i would love to not be judged on the color of my skin. >> do you think it is more on the color of their skin or their actions? how they're dressed? >> ruth, i watched that exchange and once i stopped gaping no matter how eager virginia republicans and many others might be to deny the existence of racism if it says that about a young black man, if it talks like a racist, might it be racist? the language being used on the right? >> absolutely. as was pointed out before they are much more emboldened about this and the, you know, they know that nobody really knows what critical race theory is but it has the effect, it has race in it. that's why i've been looking at the language very carefully. not just indoctrination but they talk about invading our schools, our homes through homework brought home. and this language of invasion is -- goes back to facism, this panic that whites will be submerged. that whites will be invaded. they'll lose their sovereignty. they'll lose, you know, have violence against them. so all of this is coded in three letters, crt. it is really a case study of how propaganda works through slogans and snappy jargon things and they've done very well with that. >> you could argue that the reaction to critical race theory is a reminder of why we need it. jason stanley and ruth, as always, thaeng you for your time. still to come house democrats are planning to vote on the slimmed down social spending and climate change bill on tuesday maybe. but what is actually left in the text? 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>> exactly. you know, states have introduced 425 bills making it harder for people to vote. 13 republican led states have passed 33 laws aimed specifically at making it more difficult for people to vote. of course that burden lies on the communities of color, people of color. so i went with people for the american way and we marched right up to the white house with the purpose of demanding that president biden use his power and influence in the senate with the senate to pass the freedom to vote act. i also think we need d.c. statehood as soon as possible and we need to do it and i'm completely aware there is a lot going on. that biden has been very busy focused on his agenda but we have sent him to the white house to do very specific things and with midterms coming up my fear is if we don't achieve all things maybe the most important thing being voting rights since it is the bed rock of her democracy we're going to be in trouble. >> indeed. joe biden talked such a good game on voting rights, talks about the new jim crow but the action has not been there. i worry like you that the prioritization of this most important right hasn't been done. it is not just voting rights in america under assault. the supreme court is set to hear oral arguments monday on texas's near total ban on abortions. you have been very active over the years. you said this is the moef of most dangerous time in america to be a woman. in one chapter your imagine a hypothetical conversation with a woman protesting outside a planned parenthood clinic. is that an argument you think you could win with a conservative in real life on the merits? and how optimistic are you about the whole abortion herb unite? >> the supreme court is definitely something to be concerned with, why so many organizers and grass roots organizations went to the kavanaugh fight when that was happening because we could see this. as far as the conversation in my book with someone protesting outside of planned parenthood, here is how i would like to think about this. the way you phrased your question is, is that a conversation you can win in real life? i would like to just reframe the thought we are all a very diverse group of people in this country. we don't need to win fights. we need to respect each other's needs, privacy, health care needs, and those are i'm hopeful and he want to believe we can have the tough conversations, the uncomfortable conversations, and from that grow as a nation. >> a very good point about trying to, well, you could rephrase it as win people over but you're right. it is not a zero sum game. a lot of this is based on people's experienced views, a very polarized notion. whether it's voting rights, gun laws, i know you've been involved there. you testified before the house oversight and reform committee about the need to pass the equal rights amendment. let me ask you this. in your book you talk about -- you have a phrase, a quote in your book jumped out at me. i'll read it out. you talk about activism and you say i'm an actor. i am no stranger to performing. but i work hard to never perform in my activism. fascinating line and many questions come out of that. who is that line aimed at? who is engaged in performance activism? a lot of your critics would say simply by you being a celebrity activist that your activism is performance. how do you navigate that? >> yeah. i think for me the way i know that my activism is not performance i not only feel things on a super deep level but also i show up. boots on the ground. i support grass roots organizers doing the heavy lifting in all of these fights. you know, the thing that is fascinating to me is as an actor i think the reason why i was a child actor and enjoyed it was because of the applause and it is clinically proven that any such approval like applause will light up certain parts of the brain, the rewards center. and so i don't think that this era of social media activism is any different. i think that certain parts of the brain is lit up when people tweet something out and i think that they -- i think that is why call out culture is such a big deal is because people are being rewarded with dopamine when they call someone out, are performative on social media. it was an interesting revelation to have that in my own heart and then to be able to witness how people are doing things. >> and your activism of course could be, could turn into a political career. you've indicated you may be interested in challenging for california's fourth district. mcclintock has been in office since 2009 and beat his last democratic challenge by almost 12 points. what makes you think you'd be able to flip that district? a seat in congress where all your activism has always been headed? >> i don't know. i vacillate between feeling like it does seem to be the natural progression for me and also would i get anything done at all? i feel like i am so impactful in my activism right now that it feels -- i don't know. i have to see how the new district is drawn and see if there is any shot. i think part of the issue is democrats have not, we do this a lot. we don't go into these areas, these districts where we don't think we have a shot. even if running meant i go into my home area because i have a home in that district and i have these conversations much like what stacey abrams was able to do in georgia, and really have these conversations with people who might feel ignored that it would be beneficial even if i lost that i would be paving the way to, you know, at least a more purple district. >> the journalist in me is hearing she is not ruling it out. one last question. i've saved the most important for last. what is going on with a who's the boss reboot? i grew up in the uk not the u.s. and yet i knew you from "who's the boss." defied a lot of norms in many ways. will we see tony and samantha back on screen together any time soon? >> we are developing right now, really excited about the direction of the show but i will say it is not a reboot. we are looking at it as a sequel. so we get to re-establish and learn what samantha has been doing all of these years and how tony fits into it and also samantha was raised by two incredibly strong women in angela and mona. i am excited to see how those women have shaped samantha's life as an adult. so yes we are developing and really excited about the potential of doing something really progressive and really special. >> my wife and i will be tuning in. we have to leave it there. congratulations on the new book. thank you for your time. the book is "sorry not sorry" and is out now. up next, house democrats plan to vote on biden's build back better agenda this tuesday. now it might come later in the week as the final haggling continues. up next i'll catch you up on what's in and what's out of the major bill. i'll do it in less than 60 seconds promise. first richard lui is here with the headlines. >> some of the stories this hour white house press secretary jen psaki tested positive for covid-19 and says in a statement she only experienced mild symptoms which enables her to work from home. psaki opted not to accompany president biden on his foreign trip after members of her own family tested positive. she says tuesday was the last time she saw president biden and that when they sat outside more than 6 feet apart and wore masks. high winds and staffing problems are to blame for the cancellation of more than 1500 american airlines flights since friday. the cuts came from its busiest hub in dallas/ft. worth. american said in a statement it canceled an additional 60 flights by early sunday. for those about to rock we salute you. last night's rock 'n roll hall of fame ceremony brought three legendary artists into the realm of rock immortality. the foo fighters, tina turner, and jay-z were among the names the second induction for tina turner and foo fighters' lead singer previously inducted as part of nirvana. rock on to all the winners there. more of "the mehdi hasan show" right after this break. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? 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that is a problem a lot bigger than china and russia. joining me now to discuss is michael mann distinguished scientist of atmospheric science at penn state and author of "the new climate war." welcome back. i'm sure you've watched countless international summits g7, g8, g 20, u.n. on climate change and the need for the world to tackle climate change. then nothing really happens. is this week with the g20 in rome and the cop26 in glasgow going to be any different do you think? >> thanks, mehdi. good to be with you. i sure hope so. there are a number of us who are optimistic that we'll see real progress here. now with the biden administration joe biden has actually put forward a pretty bold climate plan. 48 of the democrats support that plan. and so the problem right now really for joe biden or most of the democratic party, the republican party and two democrats who thus far have been unwilling to sign on to the sort of bold climate vision put forward in that plan. so we may need to take what we can get from this particular senate. and there is some good stuff. that's currently on the table. if you look at the framework that supposedly has been agreed to, there's about $500 billion for clean energy and other climate provisions in that bill. that's the biggest amount of spending we've ever seen on climate on clean energy. that's good. it doesn't go as far as we'd like to see it go but it does potentially allow biden to make good on his pledge to bring domestic u.s. emissions down by 50% within the decade. >> so of course that bill, the build back better bill, has not passed. we don't know if it is going to pass this week or not or if it is even going to have a vote in congress. we just don't know. he wanted it before he left for rome and glasgow. hasn't happened. thank you, joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. you mentioned there is more than $550 billion for climate action in that bill and there is in the new slimmed down bill but the clean electricity performance program which would have provided crucial financial incentives for electrical utilities to transition from fossil fuel is gone thank you joe manchin. in your expert view does this new, smaller bill have enough measures and money to halve greenhouse emissions and get to slimmed down version to get to the crucial goals? >> with the slimmed down verse you describe and the action to see at the state level, the west coast states, the new england states and look at that in totality we could come close to meeting the obligations but no question that one of the moe potent provisions is stripped out, the clean energy standard to require utilities to provide an increasing share of electricity from renewable and clean sources so what's sort of left. there's a carrot and a stick in that plan. the penalties to be brought that don't meet the obligations. there's still a lot of carrot and that can help. >> we know that fossil fuel companies love carrots. i feel like the messages from the democrats is so inadequate. manchin for example got rid of the clean electricity performance program and there's a study showing it to prevent premature deaths. why have we not heard about the innocent american lives lost to climate inaction? >> many in the state of west virginia that he represents. >> well said. >> coal burning. reliance on fossil fuels. pollution that takes a large toll. so it's inconscionable but that's where we stand right now. what we look at is getting what climate legislation we can get given this current makeup and hoping ultimately for a larger number of politicians who are willing to get behind the sort of bold climate legislation that we need so we sort of take what we can get at this point and got to work for more because this just isn't enough both for the united states and what we see from other countries at this point. >> last question. what should we be looking for this week? any particular countries or policies to have an eye on? >> yeah. look at china. look at 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country. one of which may have been january 6. >> false flags. you tweeted in response. imagine if a muslim anchor promoted 9/11. witnessed around the world and implied that it could have been a false flag operation the way carlson is doing about january 6. we know what would have happened if we did something as insane on air and would have been rightly fired from the air and carlson doing that about a domestic terror attack on the documentary without any consequences. if that's not white prooif ledge i don't know what is. >> i take issue with the word you using documentary even in air quotes. let's put that aside here for a moment. but you are right. just the height of what white privilege and the whitewashing around january 6 with the right wng media and tucker carlson at the apex of that but with the poll toirns that refuse to acknowledge the big lie and so you know this better than anyone else. there is somethings off limits and it seems that carlson and the rules do not apply to him with january 6. the worst attack on the democracy since the civil war. he is bringing in big bucks for the murdoches. >> exactly why the rules are made by the people at fox and news corp. that is the murdoch family. the executive chairman defending carlson and he is enabled by the murdoches and should call them out and we can laugh at the insanity and documentaries but it is dangerous. this conspiracyism in the '90s led to waco and ruby ridge and oklahoma city and it's not a laughing matter. >> we also have a disinformation pandemic in this country and that december information pandemic is costing people their lives. thank you. good to see you. great show. >> thank you. >> as always. good evening. donald trump is in georgia with a world series game and of course he chose to do the tomahawk chop and why it's way more than a baseball game. plus, susie essman will join me and what i think her character would say to the democrats. president biden has a huge task on the world stage 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