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investments, climate investments. it will be the largest clean energy investment in u.s. history with resilient investments and incentives for small businesses to avoid fossil fuels. another transformation program is this. it is the $400 billion going toward child care. if they managed to get this bill passed that could put us on par with other developed countries. let's give you a sense of how much america spends on child care. >> norway is at the top of this list. that's norway. 29, $30,000 per child and iceland and finland come in next. denmark, they spend $20,000 per child. before this bill, the united states spends $500 per child per annum. that's what the problem is. there's a lot of good in this bill. a lot of popular programs got cut, as well including paid family leefr, free community college and expanded corning for dental, vision and prescription drug and the aarp furious about that last one. this is the opportunity cost. america is missing a rare chance to catch up to how other developed nations treat their citizens. take parental leave, for example. as bloomberg news puts it only six countries are as stingy in the united states about paid maternity leave. those other countries are the palau, papua new guinea and tonga. i'm not making this up. most other developed and developing countries have some form of paid parental leave. it is not guaranteed to everybody in america. you may get it through your employer. the richest country in the world cannot afford to do more for its citizen, but at this point america can't afford not to do more for its citizens and what it comes to how utsch other countries spend on social benefits like services for tax credits, the u.s. remains far behind. this is from the organization of economic cooperation and development. it's the organization of developed countries. france spent 31% of its gdp on social services for its citizens. belgium, 28.9%. the united states, 18.7%. for all you people worried that weir slipping into a socialist country, although the build back better plan has been scaled down it's still big and it's transformational for the country and most reasonable people would agree that america still has a very long way to go. people like me worry that this was our best chance. we're still in the midst of a pandemic that pushed millions of people off of a financial cliff and most which haven't recovered and it has largely dried up. if there was ever a moment for america to prove that it is the modern country that it is. now is that moment. the opportunity cost of choosing this to go big to actually bring america closer to that more perfect union being far outweigh the dollar amount that some in washington cannot seem to represent their head around. >> joining me is judy chu america, she's also the chair of the asian-pa sick caucus and she was at the caucus' leadership discussions. >> on the one hand, i xhepd you all from coming to a deal and i accept that it's transformational, and how do you get those things that are on par with other peer nations in the world. >> well, i thank you for sharing that analysis because yes, we are lagging behind so many countries around the world. we are the only developed country in the world that does not have a national paid family leave program. so we are still actually pushing for that and in fact, i am one of the 12 leaders on paid family leave in the house that just sent a letter to leadership saying we need have this included. nonetheless, let me say that on thursday we took a great step forward towards making the build back better bill a reality. president biden came to our caucus. we heard from him. he outlined his vision for transforming the lives of so many americans in this country who would finally get universal pre-k as well as child care where we would get selder care for those that are disabled and need that care at home to survive. there are so many incredible things in this bill and the other great step forward is that we in the congressional progressive caucus voted to endorse this build back better bill which means that the votes on the progressive side are there for this bill and we believe that it could be voted on and passed through even within the next week. >> that's important to note because the progressive caucus is the biggest caucus of any in congress. i talked a little bit about the billionaire tax proposal earlier and i want to talk about the distribution of wealth. this is from the united states federal reserve. as of the second quarter this year the top 1% of americans by income had an aggregate net worth of $36.2 trillion. that is a greater aggregate net worth than the middle 60% of the population. that's 35.7 trillion dollars. at some point we've got to decide that we are people who understand that we have a weirdly uneven distribution of wealth in this country more than other developed countries. america is not the worst in the world and it's not the best in the world. we do have to think about fundamentally changing that. there's nothing wrong with being wealthy. i do not think we should be calling them names and we should be encouraging people to be wealthy. if you make your money if you're wealthy in the country it's very different from when you're making a wage. >> exactly. 55 of the biggest corporations in the country paid zero dollars in federal income taxes last year despite making $40 billion in profits and the wealthiest billionaires paid almost nothing. so the build back better bill does make sure that they pay their fair share. that they at least do what they're supposed to do in providing the tax relief where it can make this a more equitable country where everyone can have a chance. yes, we do have the corporate international reform to stop having companies ship jobs overseas. there are a number of measures in the current build back better bill that would actually even the playing field in terms of those who are making profits in this country. let me ask you because you've seen this for a while. the programs that didn't make it in or may not make it in by the end of the negotiations and you and others are not letting perfect be the enemy of the good. what do you do about those things when we are not up to par with the country and what's your hope with things that don't unfold, how do you make it back over the next coming years. >> for one thing, we are still not giving up. i know there is an active effort by kristen gillibrand, and that's why we in the house are still pushing, but i do have to say that we will not give up. we will continue to push for free community college tuition for paid family leave and what was really encouraging is that president biden said that he was committed to making sure that these programs still continue to be worked on. he's committed his full power to ensure that, but he said that everybody had to give up something for this bill. there were things that so many people wanted. we have to just make sure that we do the things that we all agreed upon which we will make sure transforms america for all. and so yes, we do still want to have more for medicare, the vision and the dental. actually, there is still a negotiation on the prescription drug issue and so there is more negotiation that is going on. i'm just hopeful that we can get the paid family leave and the prescription drug relief that we need and that we can ensure even greater relief for americans across this country. congresswoman, good to see you. thank you for joining us this morning. democratic congressman judy chu of california. joining us is arnan, and the author of the "the elite changing the world." this may be a missed opportunity to change with regard the way we make money in this country and the inequality in this country. what's your take on it. >> i think it is so important as you did beautifully at the opening to set the stake of what this is about and could be about. i would put that on two levels. first, we're in an acute crisis of covid, the economic crisis unleashed by covid and so there was an immediate need to help people, simply help people in a hurting country, but i think at a deeper level, this has not been a two-year story. this has been a 40-year story and that's what some of the numbers you were pointing to illustrate and in the 40-year story is this country has been sliding into plutocracy. it's not the fact that we have not had people with a lot of money and they've been buying political power with that money over the last 40 years, and owning the society, and so if you drive a bus in arizona or you are a farmer in iowa or you are a teacher in long island, you increasingly don't live in a democracy in which you have an equal voice. you live in the billionaires' country. and so the stakes of this whole build back better conversation has been -- was the president and congress going to deliver help for people, but were they going to deliver against ending the age of plutocracy and that's where the having of the program starts to say yeah, there's going to be help, but i think it becomes harder to see how we will truly end pollute ok ras. >> you're right in making this a 40-year problem. we broke the air traffic controller strike. it was the beginning of the end for unions which we are starting to see a resurgence of for the first time now in 40 years. 40 years ago is when wages started to separate, right? everyone's wages were moving in a similar fashion. 40 years ago is where regular people's wages got stuck. the wages of the top 5% do much better and the top 1% are astronomical. 40 years ago everyone was getting a relatively fair shake in america and we have moved away from that and for some reason we've decided to be in a world where we reward great wealth and wealth that begets wealth and i don't think you or i are either against wealth, and we have a perverse system that actually needed fundamental change. >> i think when you lay it out that way, the year that we've been living through is more remarkable and the question for 2021 was was it going to be the bookend to 1981? and there is a powerful symmetry to this year and this era. joe biden voted for some of the 1981 reagan tax and government cuts that in a way launched this era as a matter of policy and 40 years later, joe biden, a historic moderate came into office and got into an improbable coalition with progressives who had fought him in the election, who had lost the election and who in many ways were winning the war of ideas and this year has been defined in my analysis by a historically moderate president who had a capacity to evolve and grow and hear some of the data you're talking about, hear a changing conversation and progressives who had fought that president tooth and nail and have actually had his back through this process have been the real protectors of his double-barreled agenda and those closest to joe biden politically in congress have hamstrung him at every turn and have been the people trying to sabotage his agenda. the people who are in a way the heroes of trying to get something done this year are the people who understand coalition and that's i would say joe biden. i would say that's ron klain for sure and that's pramila jayapal and people who figure out how a big tent can get big things done and the tragedy, the tragic disappointments of this year are the political sadists and crony opportunists in joe manchin and kyrsten sinema who at every turn have chosen power and money over helping people. i am a writer. i'm not a licensed clinician. i can't diagnose what's going on with manchin and sinema. i can't prescribe remedies and i do know there are therapies out there from people who derive pleasure from hurting millions of people. >> there are strange bedfellows and annan who you will see from time to time as a host of the show and he's a publisher of "the ink," and the elite charade of changing the world. it's halloween weekend and thanks to the former administration, we have some cares in store including trump lawyers told mike pence's team to say that he was to blame for the january 6th insurrection. mark zuck earnberg tries to detract from the depravity of his company with a name change and we are seeing supremely tight races for governor in virginia and new jersey. virginia is much closer than anyone anticipated. this is velshi on msnbc. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ welcome to allstate. ♪ ♪ you already pay for car insurance, ♪ why not take your home along for the ride? ♪ allstate. here, better protection costs a whole lot less. you're in good hands with allstate. ♪ mission control, we are go for launch. you're in good hands with allstate. um, she's eating the rocket. ♪♪ lunchables! built to be eaten. ♪♪ your new pharmacy is here. to make sure you don't run out of meds here. and with 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their next governor. democrat terry mcauliffe and glen youngkin have been hitting the campaign trade hard, criss-crossing the state and making their pitch to voters. that race is really tight right now, much closer than expected and the results of this election are generally seen as a reflection of how the current administration is doing and it's a potential bellwether for what's to come in next year's national midterms. let's go to chris jansing outside of a polling place in lauden county, virginia in what is the last day of early voting in the state. good morning, my friend. how close is this race and what are the candidates doing to try to bring it home for themselves? >> a statistical dead heat. this is incredibly close. in fact, there are a couple of new polls out yesterday. most of the polls over the last couple of weeks have been within the margin of error and when you look at the average according to 538, less than one percentage point is the difference between these two candidates which is why what's happening behind me is significant. we can show you. we are required to stay a distance from the polls, but you can see the long line. there were probably 40 or 50 people waiting already when the doors opened at 9:00 this morning. a lot more to come. the parking lot is pretty full. more than a million people across virginia have early voted. we are coming up on 50,000 on lauden county and here's why that's important for terry mcauliffe. he really needs to bring up the numbers in suburban places like this, why northropp did well and joe biden did incredibly well. if he's going to offset what has been this move by glen youngkin, both of the candidates out in force today. we have 19 stops for terry mcauliffe, five on a continuing bus tour for youngkin and v.p. harris said this last night at an appearance, this is a signal of where this nation is going. ali? >> we'll watch it closely with you, chris. my friend, chris lansing in leesburg, virginia. as the 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♪ ♪ diarrheaaaa. ♪ pepto bismol coats your stomach with fast and soothing relief. and try new drug free pepto herbal blends. made from 100% natural ginger and peppermint. a new washington post report is shedding new light on the role that trump attorney general john eastman played on january 6th. we already know that eastman wrote a two-page memo that outlined how then-vice president mike pence could overturn the electoral college count that day and now in a story published in "the washington post," as the angry crowds mobbed the capitol eastman emailed a top pence aide saying pence caused the violence by refusing to block the election loss and pence refused to act even as they trampled through the capitol. "the washington post" has confirmed it to eastman, who said he was not trying to place the blame on mike pence. eastman has remained a high priority for the january 6th committee which was expected to subpoena him next week. joining me is an msnbc contributor and co-author of several major books including "a very stable genius" and "i alone can fix it. donald trump's catastrophic final year." this is the upside down pineapple cake to blame, but it started them. it was still on january 6th. they were sort of saying, hey, if you had done what you were supposed to do mike pence and overturn the election like we told you to, none of this rioting, protest, deadly storming of the capitol would have happened. >> you are absolutely right about that, ali, about the upside down nature and remember how beautifully you began by setting the scene. there are people pouring into windows and doors of the capitol. they are carrying weapons and calling for mike pence's head. they are calling for his execution. he is in hiding and he receives or rather i should say, his counsel who is alongside him, receives an email from the president's lawyer, john eastman saying this is you and your boss' fault for failing to let the public and i'm paraphrasing here, for failing to let the public see this and air this dispute. as jacob puts it, greg jacob, the counsel who received this email puts it, it was a shocking lack of awareness of the danger that the vice president was in at this moment. it wasn't the time to quibble over the legal viability of trump's lawyers' arguments about whether or not pence could stop the certification of the election. this is a frightening moment and an interesting time to send such an email. the other thing that's going on right now is we're seeing a number of prosecutions of people who were charged on february 6th and there was a chief federal judge in d.c. who is calling some of these prosecutions and sentences schizophrenic. the idea that the rioters are not mere protesters. give us a sense of this and how the public is to regard prosecutions and some of these people are getting off with light sentences and slaps on the wrist, i would say. >> the chief judge in one of the powerful courts in the country has basically slammed the department of justice as of yesterday saying that what in the world is going on with these charges? you're charging people who were violent rioters as trespassers with a misdemeanor charge that essentially we would give someone who shouted out in a congressional hearing and disrupted it. that is not what happened here, judge howel is saying. this was according to the department of justice the crime of the century and yet her view is you are giving them a slap on the wrist and you are treating this as a sidewalk infraction and what is interesting about this is the prosecutor's answer that they feel they're walking in uncharted territory, they're not sure how to exactly handle this, but the truth is they are not being as aggressive as they have been in the past with people who have taken violent steps, disobeyed police, crossed police lines, shoved police and these essentially could be argued to be assault and each one of them and judge howell is taking issue with this. it's an interesting moment, ali, because prosecutors decide how to charge and the judges typically just listen, right? okay. i'll take your information and i'm not listening and i'm fed up with this. >> carol, good to see you this morning. carol lenig is a co-author of "a very stable genius" and "zero fail" the rise and fall of the secret service. maybe this is a species that is extinct will make an impression because congress didn't seem to. listen up, people. you're headed for a climate disaster and yet every year governments spend hundreds of billions of public funds on fossil fuel subsidies. imagine if we'd spent hundreds of billions per year subsidizing giant meteors. that's what you're doing right now! around the world people are living in poverty. don't you think helping them would make more sense than, i don't know, paying for the demise of your entire species? know where your business stands. intuit quickbooks live bookkeeping. is now a good time for a flare-up? enough, crohn's! for adults with moderate to severe crohn's or ulcerative colitis, stelara® can provide relief, and is the first approved medication to reduce inflammation on and below the surface of the intestine in uc. you, getting on that flight? 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lowering the price of prescription drugs and other popular proposals that were left out. i'll also talk sports. you know i fancy myself a sports enthusiast although i can never sit through a sports game and i'll be joined by kerry champion and we'll talk about the world series and the growing outrage of the braves' tomahawk chalk. and we'll take on china and nike and the nba star, excuse me. ali, do you remember kof average ney wallace. she is not a little girl anymore, and she is a teenager now and she will talk about he film "swagger." we have a jam-packed show on "the cross connection". >> as always, i will be watching it closely. stay tuned for "the cross connection" it starts at 10:00 a.m. eastern. no one told mark zuckerberg that you cannot run from your problems or rebrand from them. meta still has a major facebook problem. there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ there's a different way to treat hiv. it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month, complete hiv treatment for adults who are undetectable. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by a healthcare provider once a month. hiv pills aren't on my mind. i love being able to pick up and go. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions post-injection reactions, liver problems,...and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver problems or mental health concerns, and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection site reactions, fever, and tiredness. if you switch to cabenuva, attend all treatment appointments. with once-a-month cabenuva, i'm good to go. ask your doctor about once-monthly cabenuva. fries or salad? 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(all) to screening! ♪♪ ♪♪ it seems every week there's new stuff about facebook. according to recent washington post reporting, facebook is running studies on its users in order to find out how coronavirus lies spread on its app. facebook officials lied about their internal research or failed to tell policymakers about it. what's now being called the facebook papers also revealed that facebook knew instagram was unsafe for teenagers and raised questions about the company's role in allowing the spread of hatespeech and anti-vaccine misinformation. it was drawing comparisons for the early days of the big tobacco industry. smoking was good for you and we now know that tobacco is a poison and the leading cause of cancer. there's been a demand for change by lawmakers, regulators and the public. while mark zuckerberg is apparently listening. facebook hears you and it made that change. it changed its name. facebook's company name will now be meta. according to facebook, the metaverse will feel like a hybrid of today's online social experiences sometimes expanded into three dimensions or projected into the physical world, whatever that means. the idea is to fuse social media with virtual reality and augmented reality space. so zuckerberg essentially wants to create an alternate lifestyle, a digital reality without addressing the mess, the spread of lies and the uptick in hate and violence that facebook helps stir up on planet earth. facebook's new name is meta and its new mission is to invent a metaverse that will help us forget what it's done to our existing reality. joining us is nina jafrng wiks, and the author of how to lose the information war. good morning to both of you. faceback's got a new company name, but real change doesn't seem to be afoot with the main problem that you and nina have been talking about for years and that is a continued spread of disinformation, which by the way, seems to be solvable, but most of this information that you have reported on comes from a relatively limited number of users. it starts with a relatively limited number of users and it does seem that facebook is able to identify it. >> yeah. i mean, we have the same papers. we've been looking through them, too, and that has been one of the takeaways that's so -- i don't know, striking is that, you know, facebook's problems really do lie within a few power users, right? who take advantage of the core problem of facebook which isn't actually lies. it's, you know, i hate to use the word, but size. facebook is too big to monitor its own platform and the incentive structure is all messed up. so folks who want to spread a political message or want you to buy their vitamins or just maybe like chewbacca mom, everyone is looking for this virality and everybody is looking to grow big, grow rich and tell lies through this incentive structure. so you know, we could do something about that. the internal research, then maybe that would all go down and that's content neutral and it's brought up again and again and again in these papers and then every single time facebook's never going to do that because not only do they want to be as big as possible and now with this meta thing they want to be everything to everyone all of the time. it's scary stuff. >> so, nina, this brings up a whole new set of questions. facebook has identified what the problem is. facebook has the ability to fix it. facebook as a feature has decided not to fix it because it is a profitable feature for them. what responsibility does facebook have for the rest of us and whose responsibility is it to make sure that facebook is actually responsible because no one, everybody's researched it and no one's done anything about it. >> yeah. i think this has been a really frustrating time for people like me who have been researching these problems and a lot of things that are coming out in the facebook papers are things i've written about for years and there are a group of us who have been sounding the alarm and it's time for all of us to scrape our jobs up off the floor and get to work and not only facebook who has been intransigent in fixing its own problem, but congress through its own partisanship has really lost a lot of time and created such a large hole that we now find ourselves in with facebook now, you know, moving into the metaverse which frankly, i want no part of if facebook is at the helm. they've shown no corporate or technological responsibility to bring us into an area that can opus to more and more harms and we need congress to do something about it just like they would regulate an unsafe vehicle or airline. >> so, brandi, if congress is where responsibility could lie to at least start fixing this, is the reason they haven't done it because of partisanship or just ignorance of the issue? because when you see these hearings at congress you see a hand frl of members of congress who have some really good, tight questioning that indicate they are well read on the issue and could what solutions could look like and then there's just a lot of nonsense that goes on that leads me to believe that this congress is not going to be able to fix this problem. >> yeah. so is it partisanship or just not knowing what's going on? why not both? there are different ideas for how to solve this problem. anyone who says this is a simple fix obviously is not well researched on this topic. it's really complicated. there are people like the whistle-blower frances haugen and things we should fix facebook from the inside and there are others who think we should break it up with antitrust legislation. some people say we should hack away at section 230, but every solution really has its problem so the pack that they're taking a long time, i just find it to be a normal problem to have. this is a really, really hard problem to solve. >> stand by. i want to continue this conversation about how we actually regulate this and how we can come out on the other end. i want to continue the conversation after a quick break. your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. 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yes! fall in love with iphone. now new and existing customers can get the powerful new iphone on us. still fresh unstopables in-wash scent booster downy unstopables . back with me now nbc senior reporter brittany grazney, i want to pick up something you were saying digital companies like we might legislate airlines him airlines could run more profitably if they did things a little less safe. i assume they think that's better than crashing planes. the government has been clear that your ability to make money does not deal with public safety matters. as brandy pointed out many times, there is real danger that comes out of social media. forget the decline of democracy, the medical disinformation that comes out of it. why is it so hard to apply those types of public safety rules to the internet? >> you know, ali, i think that for a long time congressmen and women just didn't believe that online harms could become offline harms. around that time last year, i was testifying before the house intelligence committee and one of the members of that committee took issue with my thesis it was demand and democracy. i thought of him january 6th within protesters were storming the capitol. this is now being laid there before us with these facebook papers. so, hopefully, this is a wake-up moment for congress people. obviously, there are free speech issues to get around here. this is a country of ingenuity. if the european union can do this and counties are small, they have less money than us, why can't the united states do it? let's step up to the problem and protect people. >> what do you think of the idea of an fda-style entity that governs the internet. is that possible? >> sure. who is going to sit on it? there is a lot of questions for this. think you just look at like you said the hearings in congress. although, the questions are getting a little better, there is a science subcommittee that did an excellent job the other day. there really is a misunderstanding. so i think there is just a lot of complications that come with this. i don't, when it comes to like solutions set of conversations, that's where i always get a little stumped, because there are a lot of possible solutions. a lot of things out there. we haven't tried anything here. you know we have the first amendment and we have like specific things in our country that make it a little more difficult to regulate speech on the internet. i just think it's a very hard problem. solutions are not going to be as easy as slapping a warning sticker on something or having the fda of the internet. >> lying is not actually illegal, it's protected speech. an interesting point i saw in an op-ed, they said if it's facebook's way of pivoting towards virtual reality, that's even worse. we barely protect platforms with the internet. we certainly can't trust them, with augmented reality and technology, we blur the line between cyber and physical spaces. how dangerous is it now? i have one of those oculus things from face book. i use it for exercise, by the way, it doesn't look like i exercise that much. to me, it's a fun thing. what's the danger of the fact that facebook's irresponsibility in dealing with content could now become my virtual reality? >> well, let me speak to it as a woman, ali. brandy and i received grotesque vitriolic threats. it feels like someone is in the room saying that to you, threatening you. we haven't solved those problems for the virtual reality. facebook has shown it is reticent to show it on the platform. i don't trust them to solve those problems in ra world where those threats are harmful and meaningful and are going to affect people, especially women, minorities and people of intersectional identities. so we got to slow down here before we dive into the universe head first. frankly, as i said before, i do not want facebook at the helm. >> brandy, what do you think of this? what facebook does in the world of augmented reality is very different than posts that are on social media. it's a completely different world. are you worried that the same governing structure facebook could cause this to become another dangerous platform for things? >> oh, yeah. i think it's insane for anyone to think that facebook would be a responsible or meta sorry stew ward for this new reality. like it's just that's a non-starter. like it seems so clear this is not the company we should entrust with that responsibility. you know, i this i that facebook, a part of this is trying to find out a way to be cool again, because they need children, they're not on this platform, even the platforms that they do have, instagram to go to snap and to tiktok. the metaverse seems like an incredibly way off, all they've done is put pantless avatars in online rooms. i think we should be skeptical of facebook or meta's new reality. >> the two of are you the canary if my coal mine. when you tell me, it's time to be worried, i will be very, very worried. thanks to both of you for being with us this morning. that does it for me, thank you for watching. catch me back here tomorrow morning from 8:00 to 11:00 eastern. i will be speaking to debbie dingell and ayanna presley. don't go anywhere. the "cross questions" begins right now. all right. good morning, everybody. we begin with the drama over president biden's human infrastructure bill. this morning, the president arrived at the g-20 summit in rome without clinching a vote for the bipartisan bill after confidently proposing a $1.75 trillion framework for special spending package that he says won over democratic progressives alike. house democrats are not ready to play fall, however, the bill is not expected to be voted on until next week. listen, there are key provisions that have been made. let's talk about that. $550 billion is being investigated. medicare is being expanded for benefits and dental and vision coverage has been dropped. universal pre-k will ensure pre school. you can hear the collective sigh of parents on that one. pell grants will be boosted by $500. $550 billion will go towards affordable housing. but let's talk

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