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these are popular programs and once the version passed gets to people and they become more popular and congress in the future will continue or augment it? >> here is the thing, as you point out in the opening, many investments are longstanding needs the united states had. it is not they just showed up this year. we long known we needed to make investment in children and families. we have known we need to continue to make investments in the health care system. we long known we need to fix the tax code to reward work and not wealth. these are things we need to do. now we're going to make progress on them. we will show the success of how effective we can be at addressing the challenges. we are showing that. we put in place with the american rescue plan. the monthly child tax credit that has gone out to every family with children. a monthly deposit in the account. showing that success and what government can do and the real impact in people's lives, effect on poverty and fewer children going hungry, let's show what we can do and keep building on the wins. let me come back to the core point. we cannot afford to wait to make the changes on climate. we need to take that win and move forward because otherwise america's children will not have the kind of environment that we need them to grow up in. >> heather, the advantage having you here is you are steeped in the data on the matters. according to the bureau of labor and statistics. only 8% of low wage workers have access to paid family leave. compared to 20% of all workers. and 33% of high wage earners. in my world, 100% of all three categories should have access to that. other countries figured this out and plan to offer -- the plan to offer four weeks of paid medical leave has been cut from the framework. how do we get the most important stuff to the hardest hit workers? it is an employment issue. we are short of workers and we need to not have people stuck not working because we cannot adequately provide for them when they need this leave. >> 100%. thatis one of the reasons paid leave is important and the president is committed to fighting for it. if you look at the policies that are in the build back better act, the house is talking about right now, the policies around child care and pre-kindergarten and home health care all include robust steps to increase the wages of those care workers. these are some of the lowest page workers in the economy. they don't have access to paid leave or other benefits. we are seeing right now those sectors of the economy are struggling. other low-wage jobs are seeing raises. it is hard to have the child care workers. we will make progress supporting low-income families and wage workers to raise the wages and lower costs for families. we have to keep in mind there are a lot of steps inside this package that will support families across the income distribution. >> heather, thank you for joining us. hopefully you will come back and talk about more as we know more about the final bill. heather is a member of the white house council. joining me now is gwenn moore. a member of the house ways and means committee. congress member moore, good morning. thank you for being with us. >> good morning. i really enjoyed listening to heather. i appreciate your set up as well for this conversation. the only thing i take issue with, ali, is talking about the build back better provisions as being a safety net or referring to them as only social programs. i think these programs contribute as much to our growing economy as anything. >> you are 100% right. i take that criticism. we should make sure we don't characterize them that way. you are right. in every other country that does this, it is directly related to the increase in productivity. if you give people proper child care, they work. if you give people proper parent and maternity leave, they advance in careers and make more money and pay taxes and those build roads and keep society going. you are right. it is a return on investment. we got derailed months ago because it became about the bill. it was the total amount of the bill as opposed to the benefit it brings people. >> and judgment mischaracterize the socialism. when you stop and think about it. think about it, ali. people are complaining about slow gdp. you know, what's the point in growth for the sake of growth if it all just goes to the top? they are complaining about labor market participation. get off your lazy butts and get back to work. on how do you do that when you don't have child care or child care is 20% of the income? how can you afford to work if you are a low-wage worker like heather was talking about. if you are a low-wage worker and single and don't have children, we are literally taxing you into poverty. not providing you with an income tax credit. and so on. i think when you look at one --. women, lowest since 1988. >> that is directly related to child care and parent and maternity leave. while we have a labor shortage, you go down any restaurant in new york and they are looking for work. child care workers are harder to find. child care, which was expensive, you said 20% sometimes, now it has gone up more. that keeps a woman or a man who is looking after a child at home and not working. >> absolutely. so, this is a market failure when more than 50% of your workers can't get to work because they don't have the social support system to make it possible. this is a labor market problem that the private sector should be concerned about as well. think about it. you know, if we have high gdp and we keep cutting taxes for the rich and not making them pay their fair share. think about it, ali, 42% of the stock buy backs are made by foreigners. it doesn't show up at the corner grocery store. >> let me ask you one question. we're in agreement on everything we talked about. same question i had for heather. what do you do about the stuff that's not finished in the bill that won't get finished in the bill? 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reporters have been you said no. no job action. >> i would never advocate for a job action that relates to firefighters not working. i told them never to leave the firehouse until you are relived. i was a firefighter for 14 years. i know what it is like to on the floor to wait for the next company. this is the lives of civilians and firefighters. it is scandalous to accuse a firefighter of doing that. >> okay. got it. thank you. let's talk about the rates of vaccination in your group. you are vaccinated. you believe people should be vaccinated. you believe the mandates work. what would you like to see happen? you are saying there is a failure of communication between the members and the city. what needs to happen to get more people vaccinated and not have them lose or leave their jobs. >> we are 20 months into the pandemic. the mayor a month ago put us on a plan. all city workers, other than teachers, to get tested or vaccinated once a week. after two weeks, the numbers of sick firefighters was so low, the mayor enforced a mandate. as of today, the chance of dying from covid in new york are 1 in 1 million. less than ten fatalities a day. new york city has 80 heart attacks a day. 1,400 life threatening medical emergencies a day. 65 serious fires a day. to say there is a covid emergency in new york and everyone must be vaccinated right now goes against every single metric of new york city emergency service. we know where people are dying. they are dying in fires. they are dying of heart attacks and car accidents and overdoses. 1 in 1 million chance of dying from covid in new york city. >> why are you vaccinated? why do you have a vaccine? why did you get one? >> this is outrageous. correction. let me explain one thing. new york city corrections was given 30 days to negotiations with the city. over other agency nine days. why was corrections given 30 days? because there is a staffing problem. >> i get your point. what is it you want? >> we should have 30 days. >> you want 30 days. that would solve your problem? if you had 30 days to discuss with your members and afterwards, if they don't get vaccinated, you would be okay if they lose their jobs? >> no one agreed to anything. it is scandalous people's careers are put on the line for nine days. would you accept that in your pro profession? >> i was in a big hurry to get a vaccine. i'm the wrong guy to ask. >> i got it as well. >> we have great respect for firefighters across the country. i would like them safe and i would like them vaccinated. you believe a longer period to discuss this in good faith would result in something that compels your members to get vaccinated and you would not object to that if it were done the right way? >> my members are showing up to get vaccinated. there will always be holdouts. the terms of the holdouts. >> you have a lot of holdouts. your holdouts are higher than other services. >> yes. we also have 70% of members already sick. many feel this vaccination is not necessary at this time. up until the few days ago, the cdc had on the web site that 90 days post infection was adequate amount of time before you get vaccination. we are asking for the 90 days. we are asking for things they agreed to days or weeks ago and now have taken away. we love the vaccine or test policy in place. i'm vaccinated. my wife was vaccinated. she got covid and i got covid. to protect people from covid is a lie. >> you are protected from serious hospitalization and death. >> i agree. the same protection fforded with a secondary infection. i am asking others. >> you got a number of things that sound like valid arguments. >> they are. >> you need an appropriate amount of time to discuss this and get the vaccination. if your concerns are met, you would support a vaccination mandate for your members? >> i'm not sure i would. every incentive given to the city employees has been denied us. we are denied time off that other employees got for getting the vaccination. they failed to give it to us. >> i'm trying to get you yes. is there any circumstance in the world where you would agree that your members should be vaccinated? >> yes. if a member has the vaccine or testing policy. if he has the option to test. that is the only way i agree to anything. >> andrew, thank you for your time. i appreciate you joining us. >> you're welcome. >> andrew ansbro. reporting out on what donald trump is trying to keep from investigators. we'll have that next. investigators. we'll have that next at t-mobile for business, unconventional thinking means we see things differently, so you can focus on what matters most. whether it's ensuring food arrives as fresh as when it departs... keeping crews connected as they help build communities... or providing patients the care they need, even at home. we are the leader in 5g and a partner who delivers exceptional customer support and facebook advertising, on us. network. support. value. no trade-offs. unconventional thinking, it's better for business. hearing is important to living life to the fullest. that's why inside every miracle-ear store, you'll find a better life. it all starts with the most innovative technology. like the new miracle-earmini, available exclusively at miracle-ear. so small that no one will see it, but you'll notice the difference. and now, miracle-ear is offering a thirty-day risk-free trial. you can experience better hearing with no obligation. call 1-800-miracle right now and experience a better life. we gave new zzzquil pure zzzs restorative herbal sleep you can experience better hearing with no obligation. to people who were tired of being tired. i've never slept like this before. i've never woken up like this before. crafted with clinically studied plant-based ingredients that work naturally with your body. for restorative sleep like never before. at aetna, we take a total, connected approach to your health and wellness to help you age actively. with medicare advantage plans designed for the whole you. we offer monthly plan premiums starting at $0. hospital, medical and prescription drug coverage, in one simple plan. plus dental, vision and hearing. aetna medicare advantage plans medicare annual enrollment ends december 7th. call today to learn more or visit us online at aetnamedicare.com/tv2 this morning, politico has details of what donald trump and his team are specifically trying to keep out of the january 6th committee's hands. among the documents he is trying to block are speech drafts and handwritten notes and aides notes and including talking points from former press secretary. trying to prevent the call logs which are of great interests for months. the house select committee said mr. trump is as of now a case of one. he is as of now the only failed presidential candidate not to concede. to spend months spreading lies about the election and encourage a self coup to keep him in office or inspire a mob to attack the capitol. no one more important study to determine how legislation can prevent the reputation of such action. joining me now is the former united states attorney in alabama and msnbc contributor. joyce, does the trump camp have the ability to suppress such a broad scope of documents or are they just doing this because this is what they do? 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this list of 26 states that are likely to ban abortion and under what circumstance would that happen? >> sure. thank you so much for having me again in show casing this research. what we did was we thought about what states already have in their policies to ban abortion. some states have the trigger ban, the ban of abortion that states overturned. they banned near total abortion bans like six-week banners on eight-week bans and some states have rolled back abortion rights in their constitutions. some states have pre-roe abortion bans that they never repealed that have been on the books for a hundred years. so we took those states and then we added in a few states that have been very active on abortion recently and given that push if abortion rights are overturned by the supreme court and they thought they would also quickly move to ban abortion and we came up with this stunning number of 26 states. that's huge, and it's across the country, right? it's the south. it's the plains. it's the midwest. so should these states ultimately have the opportunity and ban abortion. you're talking about vast distances for people to travel in order to access care. >> in looking at this map you can see the gulf of mexico states. you predict the entire gut region would gut abortion rights if or when they get the chance. some people in that area would have to cross multiple state lines just to get to the nearest abortion clinic. think about florida, georgia, alabama, mississippi, louisiana, in all of those cases you have to get past another state, at least in between. as we've seen with texas, people are going to go elsewhere. so what happens as a results of that? who bears the brunt of these shutdowns on abortions? >> well, we know, right? that the wealthy people will be able to navigate this much more easily than people who have low incomes, people of color, people who have been systematically oppressed. people of color, young people, lgbtq individuals in particular and you know, the kinds of barriers that they are facing with this navigation and logistics and average abortion cost $950. when you start adding in a round trip of louisiana and illinois might be 1300 miles. that is a huge distance and that means you would be taking days away from your family and your work. you would need to pay for that travel. this is just a huge and perhaps insurmountable burden for people to bear especially when people have children and have to a change for child care. what's the alternative? what happens? this whole map is these added hardships that you just disclosed that americans would face in accessing legal abortion. traveling across state line and the 1300 miles, the gas tank, the time off work and the accommodations at hotels or motels and the day care if you need work for an extra day or two and you miss work. what ends up happening to people if they just don't have that money. we have evidence of americans who just don't have that kind of money. >> right. what we are seeing now in texas are the providers, the abortion funds and the practical support organizations moving really heaven and earth to make care as accessible as possible and that is the kind of effort we would need across the country should this happen. other people may look to obtain an abortion through the internet, right? but some people will be able to travel although a number won't and some people will have -- continue pregnancies that they weren't intending on having. >> elizabeth, thanks as always for joining us and giving us clarity on a very, very complicated issue that's about to become more complicated for many americans. elizabeth nash is with the gutmacher institute. don't go anywhere. we're just getting started. straight ahead, representative judy chu tells us where things stand with president biden's agenda. another hour of "velshi" begins right now. good morning. it's 9:00 a.m. in the east, 6:00 a.m. in the west and i'm ali velshi. we find ourselves in the midst of a major breakthrough of president biden's plan to shore up investments in into our infrastructure. there is much we stand to gain from the hard-fought compromise that the president announced this week, but there is also much that we stand to lose in opportunity costs because the plan has been cut in half in order to reach this compromise. as the democrats try to push this bill over the finish line. let's look at what is in and what's out. let's start with what is still in the bill. you've got billions of there ares in universal pre-k, elder healthcare, and a child tax credit extended into 2022. clean energy tax credit, expanded health coverage $130 billion for that and hearing services and affordable housing and immigration reform funding. that's all of the stuff that is still in and this stuff is transformational especially when it comes to the funds going to work, clean e