capitol hill to unveil what he called a new framework for his domestic spending bill hoping to persuade the liberals in the. house they refused to vote on the infrastructure bill, until the larger spending major advances in the senate. biden appealed to his fellow democratic and framing the moment as one that would determine his future and reporting theirs. the president told democrats gather quote, i don't think it's hyperbole to say that the house and senate majorities and my presidency, will be determined by what happens in the next week. after that, the president appeared on live television. >> i know we have extort economic framework. no one got everything they wanted, including me. but that's what's compromises, that's consensus, and that's what i ran on. i've long said compromising consensus are the only way to get big things done in a democracy. what's in this bill's is worth 81 million americans voted for. >> the 1.7 five trillion dollar plan includes health care, childcare, climate change, universal preschool. the package notably does not include programs like paid family leave, and free community college. tonight the white house says, it is confident the bill will become law. >> i have been involved in these negotiations for many, weeks even months. we believe, this framework has the votes that can pass the senate, and passed the house. >> the two senate democrats who held out on supporting the bill, were noncommittal. you know their names already, joe manchin posted this message, saying quote, as we work through the text of the legislation i would hope all of us will continue to deal in good faith and do what is right for the future of the american people. a statement from his wing woman kyrsten sinema read in part quote, we have made significant progress on the proposed budget reconciliation package. i look forward to getting this done. but earlier tonight, we heard this from the leader of the liberal democrats in the house. >> i met with senator kyrsten sinema today, it was a really good meeting. very productive. and i've been talking as you noted joe manchin. we will deliver, both the infrastructure bill and the remarkably transformational build back better act. i actually today, i see the end. >> there is also news tonight and the january six investigation, and special committee, washington post reporting that that committee has postponed tomorrow's deposition, for one jeffrey clark. he is the former trump doj lawyer, who was reportedly sought to backup the president's false claims of election fraud. nbc news has learned that the committee expects to subpoena john, eastman the trump lawyer who drafted the blueprint to overturn the presidential election. and there is a new developments involving former new york governor andrew cuomo. according to court documents cuomo has been charged, with forcible touching, a misdemeanor sex crime. this of course comes after he resigned in august, following a report from the state attorney general, alleging that he sexually harassed multiple women. cuomo's attorney responded today saying his client quote, never assaulted anyone. with that, let's bring in our starting line on this thursday nights. ashley parker, pulitzer prize-winning right house bureau chief for the washington post. eugene daniels, white house correspondent for politico, coauthor of each day's addition of the playbook. and jackie ellmann, the political reporter for washington post. and the author of the papers morning newsletter, the early 2:02. emphasis on early. good evening and welcome to all of you. ashley i'd like to begin with you. and let's begin, on the hill. this was built as almost a locker room scene, with the president, members of his party, exhorting them to get this done, saying in effect, if you don't, this could be ball game. do you have any reason to disagree with the presidents assessment? >> i do not. and you're right that from the readouts we've got, and there were members who were chanting, vote vote, but when you have the president go up to the hill, use that capital, meet with lawmakers, implore them in many ways, to do something for his presidency, for their majorities, he didn't necessarily say, it but for mcauliffe in the virginia governor, race and also said that the u.s. is not embarrassed when he arrives at the climate in glasgow. basically empty-handed. into show the government can work, and you still can't get a deal? that's a big problem for this president, and one bitter frustration i did pick up in biden world this evening, was that, again for all of his imploring, this was one of the few times he sort of said, trust me. it's on me. and tried to make it more about doing something for him, then for those two senators where there's real distrust. the frustration is, he never really explicitly said the words, i need your vote. i am begging you for my vote. someone put it to me this, evening that's politics 1:01. there's some questions for why that whole, show he didn't take that extra step. >> he certainly had a number of votes asked of him in his many decades on the other side. as a member of the u.s. senate. eugene, listening to ashley's reporting, no one needs to remind you the presidential power is a currency. you spend it when you think there's going to be a return. we have this seen on the capitol, president and first lady got on air force one, they land in rome, nothing, no vote. is it just because everything, including the democratic party is broken in 2021? or is there something i'm not seeing here? >> i think the thing that was missing from a lot of this conversation between democrats, was trust, they had the white house tell progressives, to put these two bills in tandem, we are going to pass these bills together, that's what's going to happen. and then you also have to as the same people, who are told that these things were put in tandem, that these are going to go together, that there's no pulling these things, apart that now, you have to vote for the bill, when i head over to rome, so that i have a wind to give, to show people. and also, you have to take these cuts, these difficult cuts, that senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema agreed to. that is part of the issue here, is that there's such a lack of trust, and that is why he had to step, and that is why he had to use that presidential cop as you put it, to make this thing move along, some folks i've talked to they wanted him to do this earlier, they wanted him to lean and talk about how important this was, and now he's doing it, but the process, the timing, it doesn't have to be now. they still have negotiating to do, progressives are really burdening themselves. they feel their. power they know that their votes are needed, and they have a lot of things that they still want to put in and take out. of this reconciliation bill. before they vote. that is one of the things that we are going to see over the next couple of. days i don't think that we are going to see any kind of vote like you said, until next week. i was talking to congressman today, who members of congress who are heading home, and we're not expecting to come back tomorrow, or anytime this weekend. they're not going to get to the kids again until next week. but this is really changed a lot. what it does, is it makes voters feel like nothing is happening in washington d.c.. you promised us joe biden that you are going to go there and get things, done in whether it's fair or, not the president only has so much power. but they promise that you make things, happen to make things get going, and you're seeing that reflective in his polling. and how people think he is handling and has handled these negotiations. and his voting overall. >> as you know they've always said the most dangerous place in washington is to get between the member of congress in the airport on a thursday night, jackie this somehow brings us to. you i'm curious about your reporting on the hill. even the atmospherics surrounding the presidents visit, was said afterwards, and do you care to hazard a guess as to when we will see this for, understanding you are not being graded on, and it's a moving target. >> i think there are two tracks of conversation going on at the, moment one that i actually hit upon, and that's this major issue of trust, there were lots of lawmakers, who like to abide and had to say. they agreed with the framework. even though some of their priorities are reflected, i just got off the phone with -- who is pained over family leave not being included in the framework that she saw so far. but conceded that if the bill was held tonight, she would've voted yes. and she still supported the framework. she wants to support president biden's agenda. but then there is this issue of members referring back to, one vargas saying he liked with the president had to say, but he still didn't trust joe manchin and kyrsten sinema to support. this even though they were the two lawmakers that were requesting the 3.5 trillion dollar package, to get shaved down to 1.7 trillion. and both of those senators today, sort of odd loosely and conspicuously hedged, when asked explicitly whether or not they supported the framework that they had worked with this white house on hammering down. i think that raised a lot of red flags, the second conversations here, was a sort of optimism that the legislature is going to get, done and will see, it and hopefully will get it done next week. and now, it's toward the messaging, so people saying democrats have two choices, here we can either complain about what is excluded from this package, or democrats can heralds this transformative policies, that they've been actually been able to successfully fund in the first time in history. >> indeed the messaging has been criticize. i felt we were hearing the first pivot to positive messaging, on the cable networks this afternoon. when the president was on route to air force one. ashley, you touched on. this let's talk about this overseas, summit the g summon g.a.r. to how many jews we are up to these days. it's not like the mean kids in the cafeteria are talking smack about you, when you walk in, though there is some evidence that that did indeed happen to donald trump on the world stage, why is direct, in the real world impacts, of showing up, they know because they can see our media, the struggle he's been through, we are showing up with no legislation in hand, even though it wouldn't have anything to do with that gathering anyway? >> let me just start by answering your question with his first, trip the g7. we're now in the g20. but the g7 i went on with, him and i remember, standing there just a few -- in cornwall. where macron could not have been more delighted, and he was channeling all the other leaders pretty much, that america was back. it was someone they felt like they could trust. they could deal with, he was not his material or chaotic as former president trump. this is now his second, chip and reality in some ways has a truth, it and when biden campaigns, he sort of said, one of his theories was if you elect me, i can show you democracy and action, i can restore democracy, i can show you how it works, and then this certain ironic, way he's very much showing the world how democracy works, and not in the way he had hoped. it's not bipartisan bliss. it's not the republicans who suddenly changed their tune because he's a fellow senator, just like them. it's democracy with majorities, where it's messy in there's a lack of trust, and there are big policy disagreements. and republicans still are helping. and that is what he is going abroad, that's the baggage that he is carrying with him. but leaders are also aware that he arrives empty-handed, they see what's going on back in washington. they know that there's still a chance for a deal. is it sort of the blissful greeting that he got the first-time, no. it's a more real world one, but i think they are still cautiously optimistic, the same way the progressives and the moderates are as well. >> great analysis, there after this submarine dustup, i don't think you'll be feeling the love from macron this trip quite yet. eugene, you can always tell the rookie white house aides, from the people for whom this is not their first rodeo, the latter group is fine staying home on a presidential trip overseas. then there, done that. a number of prominent white house, aides are indeed staying back, and i imagine eugene, all their work is cut out for them. >> they have a lot of work to do, and it's got nothing to do with what's happening overseas for president biden. you have this reconciliation, bill they will continue basically to be talking to everyone they possibly, can to make sure that next week does happen, you do see some kind of infrastructure vote, next week. so they don't have to go another week with these negotiations. like all three of us have been saying. it's about finding out where the trust. is making sure that they can, say okay maybe we don't have every single thing hammered, out but we promise we're not going to change, it in some vote-a-rama. and that is something that people in the house are extremely worried, about there are things in the senate that make it difficult, to believe that what you're looking at is going to be the exact test that will come out at the end of the process. and that's something they talked about being worried about. you also, have will be in november here pretty, quick but you also have to raise the debt ceiling, they have all types of things that they are going to have to do at the beginning of december, and some of that work is going to have to start now, because they have to do all of these, things while also, and more importantly, selling these things to the american, people we got our hands on some of the documents that they sent out, to supporters. and different progressive groups. basically trying to sell this. president biden did where he promised to do. because what they wanted to see, all day on television, was people going up in, saying we heard a little, bit you talked about that kind of optimism, that we were seeing at one point. people saying that president biden promised, he did wake he came to do. he got compromise, compromises for the democracy. it's dirty at times but we're going to keep fighting for these things. then things started to fall apart. that's something that they have to contend with, as president biden is over there. all eyes are going to be on over here, and not so much and what he's doing over there. i will say something that's good for president biden, is this framework that came out as he goes over there, and cup starts next week everyone will be talking about climate, change the biggest aspect of his proposal, is on climate change, a lot of climate change activists are happy with, that and that's something he's going to be able to sow to the folks over. there and say hey we are going to have a huge investment, in climate change. prevention over here. >> jacqui one last question for you i know in your spare time you've been covering the one six committee. not the first time we've had a major name, and we're expecting in action only to hear that it's been postponed. such as the case with mr. clark's deposition, which was scheduled for tomorrow. do you have any intel on the reason for the postponement? >> yes brian, the select committee is finally chugging along as lawmakers are trying to -- jeffrey clark who was one of the top officials who sought to actually execute trump's false claims of massive voter fraud, it received continuance or postponement of the deposition, before the house select committee and protect -- bit of a break up with his lawyer. they confirmed earlier today, it's unclear what it was, but usually when a lawyer and his client breakup, it's most likely because there are differences in the eagles strategy, maybe a client was being pulled in another direction by another lawyer, it's still unclear with the cynics committee is prepared to offer a postponement, so he can have his own legal strategy. we know his testimony is a big priority for this committee, along with documents from the justice department in the final months of the trump presidency. they're going to try to give him some leeway here to move forward. >> much obliged to these three friends of our broadcast. ashley parker, eugene daniels, jacqui, our starting line on a thursday night. thanks ken very much for starting us off. coming up for us, with the election just days away, the only twice impeached retiree, in all of florida, can't seem to stay out of that virginia governor's race. he feels needed, and he is a giver after all. and later, pulitzer prize-winning presidential historian and author, john mitchell ms. with us. to talk about how important this moment is, for joe biden's domestic agenda. and his foreign policy, as he goes 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hacks on tap podcast. gentlemen, good evening beer. both david, i'm going to ask you a direct question. i would love a similar with the themed answer. is your party up to this? and how nervous are you? about what lies ahead? >> the party is up to it. i still think we are going to face, not the greatest political environment next year, but yes, i agree with eugene, once the ink is dry and, this you have to get to, most people are going to decide next year's election, swing voters, people that you need to energize for turnout. they are not following this to the extent that they're seeing, much it's just about trillions of dollars, democrats arguing. you have to start selling what's in the, package it's just as popular as the revenue producing measures, which is asking the wealthiest to help pay for things like childcare and elder care. but you have to do continual storytelling, as people get benefits. so members of congress, senators, governors, need to be in people's homes, and small businesses. yes, the next year, in many respects is going to be defined by the effectiveness of, that if people get the sense that this was just a pile of money and they didn't benefit from, it i think will be in a world of hurt. i think this is doable because unlike the affordable care act, which took a couple of years, for the benefits really to become realize, a lot of these benefits happen right, a ways you can start doing good storytelling right away. everybody thought fought the good fight about what they wanted in the, package i'm disappointed about some things that don't make it in, but it's still a historic accomplishment, and everybody needs to link arms here, if voters here democratic members of congress saying you're not happy with the package, how on earth can you expect that voted to think it will help them in their lives? >> mike, in your view, have the liberals ended up hurting the larger democratic party? i think they have. they're defining the narrative right now. you look at joe biden's numbers are in decline. you look at what's going on in virginia, we will talk about that. the worst thing politically about, this is biden's being marginalized a bit. it's clearly if you want to get things done in the house and 30 liberal members who are calling all the shots, and president when there, told them to trust, and as for the vote and they said no sale. and they shot down the biggest easy political win that's been in front of the democrats now for weeks. which is the bipartisan infrastructure bill. it's a great, bill and it's a huge accomplishment for joe biden, yet it's backbench-ing liberals have decided, they're going to hold him up because they're mad they don't have enough votes in the senate, to pass a multi trillion dollar progressive dream bill. it's one of these things where we're gonna win by punishing you mister president. and it's pretty crazy. i agree with david that eventually something will pass, but the opportunity cost of what could've happened, is pretty big. and the narrative is set in a way that biden is going to have to dig out of. now and of all this squabbling in all this ideologically left overshadowing the party, it's going to make particularly for the moderate democrats, very treacherous, which is how they can lose control. >> david, so the ball bounces back to you, let me ask you to help me clear something up. is this a progressive country as the liberal democrats insist on being called? the research shows joe biden won 16% of u.s. counties. donald trump won 86% of u.s. counties, and i think a look at the map, would show a center right nation. >> joe biden won it safe of electoral college margin. an electoral college beat down. what is true, is that, generally to win a presidential race, as mike knows well or a competitive house district, or a competitive senate race, you have to win the moderate vote. some of those are true independence, some might be meaning democrat or republican, and they do move around a lot. some political science believes there's no such thing is -- i see them every election, they exist. i do think that, you have to basically win the moderates in an election. what is true, is childcare, universal pre-k, taxing the wealthy more to pay, for expanding health care, all of these things enjoys support, 60 to 70%. you are getting the support of basically all progressives. and a heck or a lot of moderates. so for the policy standpoint, i think most of the things in this, bill you can sell. but again, they don't sell themselves. you have to go out there lift up the, hood and show people in your local community who are benefiting from. this and eventually, right now this entire debate is about the democratic party. you have to shift this to a choice. which is the republicans have stood in unison, against these things that are quite popular. inseam only interested in doing donald trump's bidding. to try to steal the next election. democrats can get on a rhetorical foot, much more soundly. but yeah, we are not going to have success in 2022, if moderates, bail on the democratic party. we have to have both. you have to get strong turnout, and you have to do well with moderate votes. what's nice about what's in this bill by the, way as you are not choosing. it works really well with both of them. >> i think home delivered s'mores for every american would poll it 80%, but back to david's point about how you have to make choices. both of these gentlemen, thankfully, are going to stay with us. we will fit in a break and continue our conversation. we heard mike foreshadow that the leader of the republican party has some second thoughts after suggesting his followers refused to vote, until nonexistent voter fraud is fixed. interesting timing, giving that we have two big elections coming up in a couple of days. coming up in a couple of days. coming up in a couple of days. it's a sunny day. nah, a stormy day. classical music plays. um uh, brass band, new orleans. ♪ ♪ she drives hands free... along the coast. make it palm springs. ♪ cadillac is going electric. if you want to be bold, you have to go off-script. experience the all-electric cadillac lyriq. a day after teasing a potential campaign stop in virginia for the republican glenn youngkin, donald trump reportedly will not be holding a teller rally, the next best thing really ahead of next week's election. like every republican and politics these days, from kevin mccarthy, to chuck grassley, youngkin lived each day in abject fear of angering donald trump. and the stakes just got higher in this race, new fox news poll out today, made big headlines, because it shows youngkin pulling ahead, 53% to mcauliffe 45. among unlikely voters, a lot to discuss. i david plouffe, mike murphy, remains with. this >> might give indeed that polling result, you get credit for being the first to predict that on the broadcast. and you've got tough on the democrats today on twitter. talking about worth trying to get the bill passed before the president lands in rome. if you are the democrats since terry mcauliffe is circling the drain. this debacle has hurt the democrats, biden, and mcauliffe and today made it worse. democrats, biden numbers are killing mcauliffe. mike, at this point, what could hobble the republican? >> well, donald trump can't stand to have a campaign that is not about him. so he keeps trying to muzzle his way into the virginia campaign so he could claim credit after there is a youngkin victory. not the youngkin people, you know, in primary they were in love with trump. now they are trying to distance themselves as much as they can under pretty smart calculus. he is not threatening, so he is doing okay in the suburbs were trumpism tracks, but he is going to get that tribal trump vote, in the more rural areas, because they are against anything democratic, and they want to punish biden, you know what's funny, i saw a big miller everywhere from virginia, it was a big official, endorsement of youngkin by donald trump, with the hut and the pictures. but if you get out your magnifying glass, the paid for, is the democratic party in virginia. it had a little trouble glueing the trump thing on him, and the biden stuff, and others have gotten in the, way and just a quick footnote to, the 80.5 poll is kind of a trump trick. i think david would agree on this, is a likely voter poll. which in most cases is a scam. among other in that poll, registered voters, is still a one point race like every other poll. margin of. air with that, set the trend has been bad for mcauliffe, and good for youngkin. it's moving its way. so i'm not sure i get the farm on youngkin, but i would bet a tractor, or see what happens tuesday. >> david so many people find it hard to believe that national politics and the like affects say a good mandatory election in the commonwealth of virginia, or the one we're not talking about, phil murphy, trying to hang on in the most densely populated blue state in the union in new jersey, but mike spin around the block a few times as have you, this certainly appears to be the case. >> well bryan, there's a history in both of these states, when one party wins the white house, the very next election, which happens to be next year, -- the party of the white house tends to be doing well. number two, i think when your party is struggling, even though we aren't of precip, this may be days away from historic legislative achievement, but with all everybody, seeing it's not done, yet your fighting, that could hurt enthusiasm. i think, whether mcauliffe wins by one or two, or loses by one or two, we'll see what murphy's margin, and i expected to hang on. but you, know biden won new jersey by 16, biden won virginia by ten, there is some uniqueness to both of these races. but you are going to see those margins narrow, and so as you are looking at preparation for next year, brian, when democrats are involved in the swing, what they need to do is to go to research about what happened, here would suit voters move from democratic to republican this year, and why? which democratic base groups did not to know that the levels were effecting, and why? so you need to learn a lot about, this i think mike would agree, a year in politics is longer than it used to be, things aren't baked anymore, a lot can happen in the, year whereas covid, where the economy, the democrats do a good job of storytelling around their achievement, as we just talked about, is trump loom over the races next, year in the way that it's negative, but we're gonna learn a lot next tuesday. and there is no doubt that i agree, the eight point told fox, and fox pulling pence tends to do dissing polling, but there's also a bigger lead in the loss, both so i think this is a razor close, tight race, trump's monday, yes it's going to help you get in the turnout, my guess is the young can turn on would rather trump not do a teller town hall. because i do think he needs to do well in the suburban, areas and he's going to do better, i think, you would see a republican doing some time there. if that question will be enough. >> the news on trump was, he said today that he never told republicans, just not to vote, until the big lie would sold. which is exactly kind of what he said, cleanup in all three, and more david plouffe, mike murphy, our friends for good reasons. thank you both for coming on tonight. coming up for us, joe biden says that he campaigned on compromise, and consensus, we heard him say tonight. he said that is what he is delivering here. we will ask the poll of prize winning historian and author, jon meacham, about the very thing when we come back. thing when we come back. these are not about left versus right, or moderate versus progressive, or anything else that pits americans against once another, this is about competitiveness versus complacency. it's about expanding opportunity, not -- . it's about leading the world, we are leading the world pass us by. >> biden's departing message to americans before heading across the atlantic's second major chip as president, we have a lot to talk about tonight obviously. pulitzer prize-winning author, presidential historian the rogers chair of the american presidency at vanderbilt to eventually advise the current american president on historical matters and major speeches. john more, and needed some context obviously this president has facing massive challenges, massive political headwinds. i've taken to asking at least one dead guest tonight if the democrats are up to this because a ton of people are not convinced. talk about how roosevelt had just a few more democrats in congress, maybe 100 more than biden has, and roosevelt's party was not tearing itself up when he was trying to pass the new deal, which is about the only thing analogous to what they're arguing about in congress right now. >> he had a new deal in the great society which shows that no time to ratify and, that was lyndon johnson's great effort to use the power of the state to increase opportunity to try and bring a bow a measure of opportunity to the country. the fdr story i was thinking about when i was reading student glasser, our friend susan glasser in the new yorker tonight, which i commend everybody, if you do what i do for a living and you want to capture what's going on in the past few weeks, just read susan's piece. i have one had it to make but the fdr story is he was meeting with a young students in the 1930s and they were just giving him how about how he was too slow, see if any of the sounds familiar, he wasn't being transformational enough, he was enforcing the conservatives of the country in those days, and my region white southern democrats, who were the bulwark of segregation, they were the conservatives, many of them were conservative. so it was just a bad meeting for fdr, you looked at one of the questioners and said, young man if i could stand on the roof and shout, and get what i wanted, i would go to the roof and shout, but it does not work that way. what we are seeing here is a case study and how american democracy works and doesn't work and a sulphurous leaf polarized age. are democrats up to this? i argue the question that americans are up to it. the republicans have opted out of this debate, they have chosen to follow a single person, a single will to power. and have basically seated -- they have outsourced the government of this country to the american president, and through 50 democrats within the senate, and nancy pelosi's narrow majority in the house. i think if you want to look at this moment in a broader sense, it's a miracle in a way that president biden has gotten as much as he has. he asked for 3.5, it looks like he is going to get white, 1.7 five, something like that, that's the old reagan rule. you ask for 100, you settle for 60. it's what reagan learned in hollywood when he was negotiating with the screen actors guild. did president biden set out to do this? no, i don't think so, i've never asked him that directly, i don't think it's a great mastermind plan. but it is what reality is. one of the things we have learned in the last five years is, the price of -- not we've gone from having to reality show president, to having a president that actually deals with a very divided country. he is doing all he can within the constitutional framework to push the country forward, and i think in that sense we can maybe be able to look at the six months or so, you might even argue that you can teach a class on america from january six 2021, until november 6th right. what do those 11 months tell you about the worst of us, and the best of us. it may just be that the best of us is not as great as my many people want, but guess what, that is human nature. >> all right i will see a lot of susan classes journalism, and raise you one susan glass quo, and read this, and for dramatic effect we will go to break. she writes in the new yorker, in the 2020 biden campaigned as a deal maker, not a trump, i could tell you the brooklyn bridge type deal maker but an actual washington insider who can make this town work again type deal maker. this is why the stakes for him now are so high. it has become a basic test of his ability to deliver. john and i give you both susan glasser of the new yorker, now i give you a break. john meacham's thinking around, our conversation will continue. we will talk about what to expect as our president prepares for this world stage moment in glasgow. moment in glasgow. president biden has arrived in europe tonight for some high stakes international summits, the ap reporting at this way, quote, headed first to rome and then to glasgow, scotland, biden will be pressed to deliver concrete ideas for stopping a global pandemic. boosting economic growth, and halting the acceleration of climate change. still with us, thankfully, jon meacham, we have a few closing minutes. here we have a two-part trip here. number one, is quite personal for a president i would define as a devout catholic. a meeting with the pope. the pope's, facial expression, and body language pretty much told us how psyched he was to meet with donald trump. i think this is going to be an altogether different meeting with joe biden. and then on to the g20. talk about both, and biden on the world stage. >> the only added i would've made to susan's piece, which she would've asked me, for she asked a question in it about, this is the way the world works in a 50/50 senate? and she didn't need to ask that question. this is the way the world works. in a 50/50 senate. i think the trip to the vatican is really interesting for the biden all adjusts of the world. remember, there is this very uncomfortable debate for many of us. i am not a roman catholic but, about whether the president can receive communion. as you say, he is a devout catholic, he is a faithful keeper of the sacrament, he keeps the feast, and to be in the vatican i think will be a lifetime of memories. as you know, in many ways, the power of the sacrament, the power of the turn to cool life, is that when you are in it, you are part of a sweeping chain of time in your own head, as you look at the cross, as you look at the sting glass, you remember when you were a little kid, i still remember what the floor of the church at st. nicholas, school in tennessee looked like when i say the lords prayer every day. because i want five days a week for eight years, so i think that president biden will have that kind of deeply emotional moment tomorrow, and i think it will be fascinating. he is hugely comfortable on the stage, chairman of the foreman relations committee, and he does see this, the two stories that we're talking about very much as intertwined. which is, and he says this a lot, he talks to world leaders and he says america's bad, but for how long? and i think that if he doesn't hear that explicitly, it will be an implicit, a subtext, avoid here's the next week or so. huge issues, and what i would say to him until all of us, the issues that he is there to talk about, the climate, the pandemic, these are our maligning ill issues. these are centuries long challenges that he has to pick up. it has very little to do with what twitter says over the next 36 hours. >> thank you for that. >> what we do now, this is to paraphrase lincoln, because why not, what we do now will mark this generation of americans down to the last part of time. it really will. and that may sign hyperbolic but climate, the fate of american democracy, the rule of law are very sense of neighbor leanness with one another, so much is in flux. and i think, i know, those are the stories that are unfolding, the sounds unfolding in the president said. >> brilliant stuff, take it to the bank, those listening and watching, jon meacham, has been our guest tonight. we are grateful for it. thank you paul. appreciate it. >> thank you debora. >> coming up tonight, the big announcement from the tech world, we skipped the story earlier this week. week. (sfx: continued vehicle calamity.) just think, he'll be driving for real soon. every new chevy equinox comes standard with chevy safety assist, including automatic emergency braking. find new peace of mind. find new roads. chevrolet. i heard it's meta, supposedly, and it's thursday, and i'm not so sure what it will be. that was the story, last thing before we go tonight, you heard it here first, that was monday of this week. that was cara swisher in effect leaking the new name for facebook for days early, which was indeed announced just today, by mark zuckerberg from his headquarters in venus. >> it is time for us to adopt a new company brand, to encompass everything that we do, to reflect who we are and what we hope to build, i am proud to announce that starting today, our company is now meta. >> at another point in the video, the twitter verse noticed a bottle of barbecue sauce being used as a book and. it was immediately theorized that it was selected by algorithm, as something humans enjoy. the reaction to the new name was both instantaneous and relentless, it's still going on, lots of jokes, wondering if they'll partner with the company named muscle. folks have fun with the new logo. most of it at zuckerberg's expense, but he can afford. it lots of comments along the signs, can't up problems with facebook if the company isn't called faith's book, from the daily show, gonna take a while to get used to saying he was radicalized in a meta group. many people pointing out, the nba star, run our test changed his name to meadow world peace, a decade ago. and finally, meta is short for i met a girl in high school who i had a huge crush on only to find her years later on facebook posting antivirus licks and tom hanks pedophile theories. that is going to do it for a thursday night effort, with a thanks for being here tonight with our colleagues on the nbc news, goodnight. >> tonight on all in, no one got everything they wanted including me. but that is a compromise. as the build back better plan finally approaches a vote tonight along view of what this means and how we got here. >> your vote tomorrow will decide which party controls the united states senate, then the historic civil trial of white supremacists begins in charlottesville. >> we are not nonviolent, we will kill these people we

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