we've seen. several democrats saying this this deal is now essentially done. just pending sign off of the president and bernie sanders. who has been negotiating with manchin among others. they also say that president biden will delay a thursday morning flight to europe if the deal is finished. >> an agreement is within arm's length and we are hopeful that we can come to a framework agreement by the end of today. >> the president's getting everything he has to make this happen. he's trying to meet everybody halfway. >> 90% of the build back better act is done and we're just waiting on the final agreement from the two senators. >> earlier today, white house officials held another meeting with the two senators you just heard quoted. the ones who have become characters on snl because they have been proven to be so essential to getting to 50, which is what biden and schumer need to do on every big vote. t manchin and sinema. sources tell nbc one of the things that's happening is the negotiating is actually making the hard calls. that's another sign they're closer to the end because you can throw in all the adjectives you want about essentially done, but then you have to check are things moving forward according to the parties that have the vote and veto. that brings us to this headline. paid family leave now getting dropped out of the package according to multiple accounts, democratic sources, and the reasoning is the resistance from manchin. meanwhile, they're working on other details regarding childcare tax credits, climate change, medicare, and trying to get to the funding of this. all of which has become a big story this week. one way to do that is a minimum corporate tax rate. senator sinema said she's okay with that. then there's talk about the billionaire tax. manchin balking at that idea and saying this today. >> everybody in this country that has been blessed and prospered should pay a patriotic tax. >> so democrats are looking to converge on something that is by all accounts going to cost less than the original target and that's going to be funded somehow. they need all 50 votes and republicans remain very united against this including very concerned about something that really doesn't affect very many people. you can still debate what the right tax and spend policies are, but there may be a tell here that you've got some senators concerned about a tax that would literally not hit anyone in their states depending on where they live. concern about the billionaire's tax. >> officially calling the shots. >> the multibill nars are going to look and say i don't want to invest in the stock market because if that goes, i got to get taxed. >> they are now proposing to tax money the american people haven't even made yet. >> maybe i'll instead invest in a ranch of paintings. >> our democratic colleagues have become so tax hike happy that they've throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. >> that kind of distortion is a bad idea. >> i don't know about you, america, but you heard mitt romney there. there is nothing scarier than the thought that some billionaires might turn their investments into paintings. obviously, that's a key issue in this pandemic economy. i'm being a little wry to make the point that some of the pushback sounds silly because it is silly because the top concern in getting the economy going and helping people in the pandemic is not whether billionaires buy more art. with that, we are joined by two experts on what's happening in washington. a former senator, barbara boxer and a democratic strategist and analyst for us. senator, good to see you. you don't have to weigh in on what is of course the national, the other national epidemic, which is whether billionaires invest more in paintings in the future, something that mitt romney's concerned about, but you have been more seriously in these big, heated meetings. the back room negotiations. when your former colleagues keep saying it's getting close and they are removing things, what do you see happening here? >> it's definitely getting close. ive been in touch with colleagues from the house and senate. they've been pretty pessimistic up until literally 20 minutes ago when i texted them and said i'm going on ari's show. i sure would like to know from what what you think. from a standpoint of one to ten, ten being the best where are we in getting a deal this week, and both of them independent of each other, one said at a seven. which is way better than it was and you know, i really do want to say quickly about this you know, the sad, sad situation of mitt romney talking about taxing the billionaires who often pay a lesser tax rate effectively than a nurse or a teacher. too bad. wake up and smell the roses. this is wrong and it would be wonderful if we figured out a way to do the patriot tax that joe manchin talked about. i was very excited about that. >> all very important points and appreciate you texting your colleagues, senator, and as mentioned, you've really been there. it has turned into a big debate and it's pretty striking because it seems to be a reveal. when joe manchin says that people in west virginia oppose some of the climate provisions, for example, in the bill, that is true. that's a political debate about what to do about it, but that's a true thing. given what we know about the constituents there. when we now says that he's concerned about a billionaire tax, we checked. according to forbes, there's zero billionaires in west virginia so he's not talking about his own constituents. why would west virginia be against that? >> you just named it. west virginia isn't against it. i feel like senator manchin at this point is doing what he has done in negotiations up until this point is carry the water for billionaires and donors who he wants to keep in touch with. keep their ear. as he continues his career in the senate. that is his priority here. he's shown that time and time again and to say he's opposed to the billionaire tax as well as something like paid family leave just shows who matters to joe manchin. because it most certainly isn't the millions of women who have had to leave the workforce, not only during this pandemic, but before because they didn't have access to paid family leave. it's not the families who are being left behind with these decisions. it's about the wealthy. he is doing their bidding. also in the electricity program and fighting for fossil fuels, national gas entities, right, that's who he cares about and who he's prioritizing and what's frustrating is to see a man like this prioritize those entities again above women. above families. above children. like, it's not only frustrating but it's ridiculous, ari. >> yeah. and you're speaking to how people have to make these decisions. especially when there's not enough money to go around. family leave and these other programs are part of whether those parents are supported. as you mentioned. senator, listen to senator warren who's telling us about the wealth tax. >> he pays less in federal income taxes than the average boston public schoolteacher. that is a system that is rigged. we have a chance to say, jeff besos, you and the other 700 billionaires are actually going to have to kick in some money on this. i think it's the right thing to do. >> senator? >> i think it's the right thing to do for all the reasons that were mentioned. but guess what. reality. let's face it. you know. the fact of the matter is if we had 54 democrats in the united states senate like we should have had, if we had done better in the last election, it wouldn't really matter that one or two senators are off the reservation on a couple of issues. but the fact is they are. and we could complain about it all we want. and my view is let's get this done and i say yes, let's go after the corporations and the billionaires if we can't get after the billionaires, there's some issue apparently, legally, with taxing wealth that hasn't been realized which has to do with this billionaire's tax because you get taxed because the value of your stock is up even though you haven't sold it because they say there could be lowell problems. if there's a way to go with the legal tax, that every corporation has to pay a certain amount and every individual i hope is in that. i don't think it pays to attack any one of these senators. i don't agree with them, but i have to be realistic. i come from a blue state. manchin comes from a state that ran for you know who, the last guy. president trump. and actually he is 70%. so let's get real here. there are two ways to read this bill. one way it's being cut from the original proposal, which started off very high, 6 trillion, went down. that's one way to look at it and it's fair, but i think we have to look at it the other way. everything we now add on, even though it's not everything i want and it's not everything that the progressives want and it's not even everything the moderate wants. this is is situation we're in where everything we get is going to be golden. and we can build on it and we can use it in the next election. so that's why i'm optimistic that we can get started on putting america's families first with this bill. >> senator boxer, coming with the real pragmatist energy, which i know some of the democrats are looking for as they try to maneuver this. i want to thank you everyone. we have congresswoman jayapal here, chair of the progressive caucus. she did this meeting with the speaker. thanks for joining us. what did you glean from the meeting? where are we headed? >> well, it's great to be with you. look, we have been working hard for several weeks to get 50 senators on board and make sure we have 218 votes in the house. we have really slim margins in both chambers and that's just the reality of it. the progressive caucus, 96 members strong, i am really proud of us because of us holding the line and saying we're not just going to deliver a small piece of the president's agenda to his desk, we're not going to leave anybody behind. we held the line, got this act back on the table and there's been more negotiation in the last three weeks on the act than there was for six months with the two senators we need to get on board. we are close, but we're not done. we are waiting for an agreement with the two senators and anybody that's concerned about the delay here should just look at the fact that we need to get two senators on board and we're waiting for that to happen. and there's no shade being thrown here. senator boxer's right. we need 50 senators. that's just the reality of where we are. and we need 218 votes in the house. that's the place we're in. let's see where we get to, but i think we just, we're not there yet. we don't have that agreement yet. >> as of this moment, is family leave out of the package? >> that's what i'm hearing. i spoke to senator manchin myself and told him how frustrating that he doesn't think that's a good idea. there are only six countries in the world that don't have paid family leave and i can't that the united states is going to be, continue to be one of them. i am a woman. i have had a baby. i understand how important this is. and i think there are millions of women out there who are saying what do you not understand about investing in us to have this paid family and medical leave so that we can bring up and invest in our kids early on when we need to do that. this is really i think it's inconceivable for most of us who have had babies. i said that to senator manchin frankly to families that have had children. i don't understand. but that's where he is. >> yeah. and on the billionaire's taxes, you said and the senator, senator boxer said moments ago, you echoed it. hey, got to work together so you don't antagonize them. having said that, the billionaire tax would seem to be this breakthrough. is it a dance where sometimes these two senators find a coordination? is it an accidental or on purpose synchronized swimming so to speak and what should we in the country make of the concern by, not just senator manchin, i'm not only singling him out, but he's a key vote, to oppose a tax on super wealthy class of people that in some instances aren't even in the state. which raises the question that the only reason they oppose it is because of out of state donors and not actually representing the state. >> i love the billionaire's tax. senator warren and i have a wealth tax that is, we would love to see on the table, but this is a much smaller version of that. just 700 billionaires. i have some of those in my state. you know washington state well. >> i do. >> i think it's time for those 700 billionaires to pay at least a piece of their fair share. i mean, this isn't going to get everything, but it's starting to unrig the system. now, that wasn't our first choice. let's just back up here. we had a whole set of tax changes that were about rolling back the trump tax cuts. senator sinema didn't like those. she didn't want to do those. senator manchin was actually okay with many of them. so what happened was senator warren and others, widen, came up with the billionaire's tax and really socialized that idea. i think it's fantastic. but now senator sinema is okay with that tax, but senator manchin has problems with it and so this is where it's like, okay, the two of them don't actually agree with each other. 98% of us are on the same page for a long time and we keep being patient, but look, at the end of the day, they need to understand that they do need to come together and i've spent time particularly with senator manchin. i just talked to him today on the phone. i think he's working in good faith, but i think we need a little bit more here because we need to get this and we need to pass it for the american people. >> well, you are a powerful person with an important job and as we get our civics lesson here about things that matter, people are reminded why it's also a tough job that not everyone would want, but we wish everyone in government luck and congresswoman, thank you for joining us. >> absolutely. >> coming up, a fox news host calling bs on some of what's coming out of that channel in his own way. governor dean is here. also, why the billionaire's tax is actually gaining steam. we have a deep dive on that and a major development in the story we brought you monday. a man on death row with a trial that had questions about racism and reasonable doubt. there's a big development. we have that for you tonight. th. we have that for you tonight at heinz, every ketchup starts with our same tomatoes. but not every tomato ends in the same kind of heinz ketchup. because a bit of magic unfolds when there's a ketchup for everyone. hi susan! honey? 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now take your two bit advice, deep six it and you. that's rather harsh, neil. >> yeah. it is harsh. also sharing what he's hearing and imploring people to understand this is extreme while also trying to figure out what to do with an audience that clearly sees this differently because of his colleagues. he also notes something we're all seeing here, that just sharing medical facts is now on the right, politically volcanic. >> i admire your remarkable strength through so much adversity, but let me give you some advice. shut up and enjoy the fact you're not dead. for now. >> i was out urging many of you who haven't been vaccinated to get vaccinated, but i have touched on something that is akin to the third grail of politics. >> also makes you wonder about the messages he got that they didn't read on air. this misinformation has been turned up specifically on fox. by fox anchors. and there are as we've emphasized valid debates about policy, the government's role, discussing liberty. there's plenty that we can discuss in a civic way, but that's distinct from the lies about vaccines. vaccines work. covid vaccine works. extensive studies of over 4,000 children under 12 show it's very effective against covid and the newer delta variant. those are the kind of facts that go to understanding how the new vaccine for kids will work as well as the vaccine in general and then people make up their minds hopefully based on facts, but tucker carlson is not referencing many of those facts. he's often hiding the ball or being misleading and sometimes he just comes out and launders conspiracy theories. for example one that you're going to hear here briefly from a qanon sympathizer. >> there are reasons to think mandating vaccines for kids could be dangerous for them. according to techno frog, pfizer previously announced that vaccine side effects for small children are quote generally comparable to those observed in participants 16 to 25 years of age. so what does that mean? the potential for many new cases of myocarditis in kids who was not at risk in first place from covid. >> that is exactly just a quick sample of what neil and others on fox are dealing with. now, whether someone chooses to e-mail references to mr. cavuto's demise or could sound something like wishing it or a death threat is the responsibility of that person. the fact he shared it for his reasons puts everyone on notice, including his colleagues that getting people this hopped up can be dangerous in more than one way. dangerous to themselves and maybe to others. we turn to dr. howard dean, who's also a governor, so he's right in the intersection of all of this and we're back in 60 seconds. of this and we're back 0 seconds. 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>> yes, it is. >> you can hear the attorney general's brief response there. it is legally accurate that such a salute by itself is first amendment speech. it's also entirely beside the point. the issues at that oversight hearing were the rising hate in america, which is wrong, and these efforts that foment harassment and violence which are illegal. governor dean is here and i invite your thoughts. >> well, cruz is part of the problem. he incites hatred, fury. voting record is appalling and he doesn't belong in the senate. an embarrassment. there's unfortunately a lot of people like that in the united states senate right now and it's just too bad. but the only way to deal with this stuff is to be honest. as cavuto was. to say what the truth is. and then you expose the people who were attacking you. that is getting to be a smaller and smaller number of people. i said this before. one of the big reasons that warnock and os hoff are in the senate is because the voters in georgia got fed up with this nonsense and i think brian kemp's going to have a hard time getting re-elected even though i don't know who the candidate is and i predict senator warnock will be re-elected. people are fed up with this. texas and florida get a lot of bad, i'd be shocked if desantis was re-elected. governor of florida. people are sick of this. normal, ordinary, good americans, no matter whether they're republicans or democrats are sick of it and they blame the far right and trump and ted cruz and desantis and greg abbott and all these wing nuts who know better for the most part, and are simply catering to the worst instincts of human beings and it's wrecking the country and we're not going to put up with it anymore. there's a solid majority that's fed up with it. >> governor howard dean, breaking it down. appreciate you, sir. >> yeah. thank you. >> yeah. now i got to go to tell you what's up next. we have billionaires heading into space while democrats are looking to tax them right here on earth. then as i mentioned, i want you to stay with us. there is some major legal developing news on this story we brought you about a man on death row, a trial involved proven racism by a juror. new questions. by a juror. new questions. riders, the lone wolves of the great highway. all they need is a bike and a full tank of gas. their only friend? 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support that i had death penalty, but even they had to stop it for years. it's only resuming now as i mentioned because it's sort of notorious for these problems, for botching executions. our colleague has covered this for years. >> turns out oklahoma is just blindly injecting people with whatever drug is at hand. >> those injections proved so controversial that they were paused by courts for six years. the practice was likened to burning people alive. it looked like cruel and unusual punishment among other issues. so there's a lot going on in this case we brought you and mr. jones was scheduled to be executed within three weeks. that has just been halted in the developing news. today, a judge blocking the planned execution of two individuals is a temporary stay for him and another death row inmate who was set to be executed tomorrow. they're citing an upcoming trial for february 2022 that also would further deal with whether it should even be legal, allowed, to use those mechanisms i mentioned that they liken to bushing people alive. it's this three-drug cocktail and there have been a lot of problems with it. so that's the news tonight. mr. jones has something of at least a legal temporary reprieve. there is a health scape of an execution system in oklahoma and that raises issues on whether you're for or against the death plenlty in theory and the question that's harder, which is when you learn the facts of how it goes on, racism, which we reported on, the cruelty, and other issues, then society has to look at those facts and say do you support that. the halt in executions does not as a legal matter address any guilt or innocence of these two individual cases. it speaks more to the execution system. oklahoma's process was so botched that as i mentioned, and i'll show you some of the reporting, you had experts saying it was like burning people alive. what we're seeing now is that process itself will go back on trial. these excuses will be halted. postponed for now. while these individuals including mr. jones remain on death row. we have a special coverage planned for you tonight. we bring in one of our legal experts, a former civil prosecutor and julius jones' attorney in the case who joins us for the first time. dale, what does today's ruling mean? >> good evening and thank you for having me on the show. the tenth circuit ruled today that the execution of john grant and julius jones should be stayed because the federal district court judge in a prior ruling determined that this question of the drug combination that oklahoma uses to carry out executions may be unconstitutional and it's important to point out why the plaintiffs were dismissed from the lawsuit. they declined to affirmatively state an alternative method of execution based on religious reasons. so they were excluded from the lawsuit because they exercised their religious liberties. >> i want to read from the suit, excuse me, from the ruling. regarding what the judge is saying. there's a question here whether this drug which is used in the execution, we think think of that as the state's weapon, if you will, would subject the prisoner to quote, a an unacceptable level of pain. this is not about whether these individuals had a fair trial or reasonable doubt, which are also issues in the case, but what does it tell you that as they are barrels towards execution, one that would be as soon as tomorrow, the courts have to come in and rule about whether this might be effectively, to use the english word, torture. >> yeah. look, this as you said, ari, is about a way of killing people because we are talking about people. killing people that has been so painful. they had to meet a standard that said it was a substantial risk of severe pain. and remember the botched executions that you referenced in our opening, ari, were a man who was in excruciating pain for 43 minutes, essentially burning from the inside out for 43 minutes on a gurney before he had a heart attack and died. now, if that's not cruel and unusual punishment, i don't know what is and i think we have to note, it's very painful for the families of the victims to have this level of uncertainty as to the outcome and then we're really designing a system that works, we're going to take into account what is justice, but what is also just decent decision making so that perhaps these kinds of decision, including five human beings who were not allowed to participate in these proceedings because they weren't able to say how they should be killed. >> right. right. a point that you both made. and dale, part of, anyone listening to mya and thinking about human beings is going to feel, gosh, this is tough stuff. i don't know if i want to think about it. and hear about it or going into the dinner hour on the east coast. and yet, the state is going to exercise the power to take lives that the society be informed about what that involves. what does victory look like for you in this case long-term? >> the communication here, the end goal is to make sure that if, if the state does carry out an execution that it is done in a way where our clients won't suffer. and you know, to your point about what people should know. there's a real problem with transparency. states are not very transparent when it comes to disclosing the source of the drugs, the qualifications of the individuals carrying out the executions and if government is going to carry out the ultimate punishment. citizens should know everything about it and that's just not happening. >> yeah. i think people understand what you're saying. final question to you, maya. we reported on this. today's rule does not speak to as mentioned the culpability of either person on death row. mr. jones case included a majority white jury where a juror reported to the judge and then publicly that another juror said the facts don't matter in this case because they were quote, trying to black man, end quote. and then used an epithet, which again relevant i think to the case, used the n-word to refer to the defendant, saying that he should just be lynched. this was before liberations. should that be relevant to whether this was deemed a fair trial that leads to an execution? >> of course it should. first of all, we have to think about whether we should be killing people, but if we're going to say we should, we shouldn't be killing innocent people and we shouldn't be killing them in a system that is biased based on race. and this case is ripe with all kinds of concern from a police officer at the scene who brought the n-word, the fact that jones reportedly did not meet the description of the person who committed the murder, that the person who claimed that he did it has told three different people in prison that he's actually the one who did the murder. there are so many questions here that should make us say it's not only about how we kill people, it's about whether or not we have a system that is truly just and i think this case is exactly the kind we have around those questions. >> yeah. i think although the story is far from over, that's a fitting point to reflect on as we conclude this conversation. i want to thank maya and dale, our producers have been in touch with your team and will continue to do so as we report on the story and where the case goes. thank you. >> thank you. >> up ahead, we have an update on this issue of the week. the billionaire tax plan which could affect your life, your pocketbook and what's happening in the senate. the wealth gap. next. g in the senate. the wealth gap next rves to live better. and just being sustainable isn't enough. our future depends on regeneration. that's why we're working to not only protect our planet, but restore, renew, and replenish it. so we can all live better tomorrow. ♪♪ [coins clinking in jar] ♪ you can get it if you really want it, by jimmy cliff ♪ [suitcase closing] [gusts of wind] [ding] when i get a migraine, i shut out the world. but with 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many things that regular people don't have access to invest in actually added $3 trillion. i should say $2.1 trillion to their wealth. now, there is something off that people feel when it happens, some of what billionaires end up spending money on like going out to space as a project. jeff bezos' company announcing plans for a space station focused on business and tourism for people that can afford it. >> the orbital reef is a full fledged commercial space station. >> it's a village and provide opportunities for tourists to come and expeience what space is like. >> this unique environment that's only a couple of hundred miles away from us is both transformative and accessible. >> marketing says anyone can experience space. it quote open to all. and there is amenities, recreation opportunities and you can fly overall of humanity. that's from the orbital reef prosure, it's not exactly a family road trip to six flags and it's not open to all. indeed, if you want to experience space on the 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innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. there is outrage over a new judicial ruling in the murder trial of kyle rittenhouse, accused of killing two men and wounding a third with an assault rifle that he took to blm protest. a judge rules now that the defense attorneys are not in court allowed to refer to those shot as quote victims. other terms that could be used, which seem like loading the deck was rite etter the, looters, victim is what the judge says is the loaded term here. there are legal terms of act but as a practical matter, a jury understands if someone deliberately shot someone else, the victim is the dead person. rittenhouse pleaded not guilty. that does it for us. we turn to the "reidout" with joy reid. hi, joy. >> it seems it would be self evident what the victims are. we begin with the disturbing and dangerous saga of john eastman, the expected target of an upcoming subpoena for the committee vin committee investigating january 6th. he's blown his cover revealing himself as treacherous and an on going threat to democracy. at the heart of his story is the eastman memo revealed to the public last month that showed how close this country came to a