what facebook knew about how it radicalized users. and getting covid on purpose. yes. american conservative radio talk show host is making headlines after a bizarre, bizarre rant. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. so for the first time in a long time there is a feeling of optimism among democrats in washington about enacting president utbiden's agenda. the house democratic leadership told its members to expect a vote on both the build back better legislation and the bipartisan infrastructure bill next week.ll but the fact remains that we still don't have a final copy of the bill yet. yes, we're starting to hear more about what's in and what's out as i mentioned earlier. spoiler alert, much of what is included w is a significantly watered down version of the items the president campaigned on. but washington and the future of our country is still dancing to the whims of two conservative democratic senators, and obviously republicans who do not want to be a part of it.t take tax increases on corporations and the wealthiest among us, fram. from the beginning that's how the democrats have been planning to pay for the programs in biden's agenda. but that's apparently a deal breaker forar democratic senato kyrsten sinema. >> she says she'll not raise a single penny in taxes on the corporate side and/or on wealthy people, period. >> okay, senator sinema. positions like that which are drastically out ofic step with majority of the democratic party are a big part of why senator sinema has been facing so much criticism lately. just this week a group of five veteransve serving on adan advisory council for the senator resigned from their positions. in aed scathing letter where th accuse sinema of hanging her constituents out toan dry, they write you have become one of the principle obstacles to progress, answering to big donors rather than your own people. we shouldn't have to buy representation from you, and your failure to standby your people and see their urgent needs is alarming. meanwhile details of a closed door meeting between senators joe manchin and bernie sanders on wednesday has proven how much power the virginia senator has. manchin says she's comfortable scrapping the n president's ente spending plan if he's not happy with that finaln number. think aboutwi that. all the months and months of negotiations, all the promises biden made on the campaign trail to voters could be gone just likeul that. now, despite that punch bowl reports the white house believes it'll be easier to work out a deal with manchin than it would be with sinema. once a deal is reached with manchin then comes the pressure campaign on sinema. they're hoping they can get her or guilt her into doing the right thing for her constituents. however this plays out our democracy and our country itself is basically being held hostage by two h senators. here's how president biden put it at a town hall the other night, watch. >> primarily the united states senate and your president of the united states and you have 50 democrats. everyone is a president. every single one. >> well, i'll agree with the thrust of what the president was saying there, the fact is there's only two senators, just two who are holding up the democratic agenda. soic we don't have one presiden or even 50 presidents. we have three of them. congratulations presidents sinema and president manchin. joining me now. josh johnson he's a standup comedian and writer for the daily show with trevor noah great to have all three of you with us. noah, i'll start with you and give me your take here how these negotiations are progressing. as i mentioned there's been signs of optimism from democrats on the hill. do you think they'll be able to work out a compromise and a meaningful compromise? >> yeah, i'm sure they'll work out something. it reallywo shows what a huge rk joe biden took by putting all of these programs from climate to taxing on the rich to so many others into one single bill. and, you know, biden took a huge risk knowing that he had a very closely divided senate. and now he's seeing some of the -- some of the rewards of that gamble. and so we'll see whether he can get anything out of sinema and manchin. >> molly, give me your take on what this says about the state of our sademocracy that these t senators one of whom is from west virginia, one of the small states in the country a population just under 2 million can essentially holdpu the president's entire agenda hostage. i make the point as i just did in the introduction there it's these twodu senators holding th up. a lot of people want to put the blame on the republicans and i'm like the republicans were never even negotiating in good faith about these. it's pointalize to consider they're a factor in this when you have two democratic senators actually make this a possibility, make this happen and they're blocking it? >> yeah, i mean they are a fascinating riddle, right? and sinema, it doesn't make any sense because i mean if you look alte arizona that's a state that's becoming very blue. and there's another democratic senator. i mean you can understand manchin. he's in a state that trump won byat 70 points. like there's no point. but with sinema she's really out of her -- and she dubt doesn't make any sense if you think of her as a normal democrat. but if you think of her like a green party candidate who's a bit of a spoiler like nadir was it makes a little more sense. >> so, josh, you know, side note here. howno bad a look is it for somee like i senator sinema that the white house now reportedly believes senator manchin of all people to be m the more reasonae of these two. do you think she's approaching these negotiations in good faith, and will the pressure campaign being laidnd on her actually work here? mean, i guess it just depends on if the money thing is real, of, you know, people coming tore her and she's now looking out for donors more than her noconstituents. like if that thing is true, yeah, no the money is still going to be there if that makes sense. and i think it's also important to focus on when you think about 2022 and mid-terms to have more democrats everywhere because then you aren't relying on just these two people. so, yeah, maybe there does come a day where everyone doesn't fall in line and in step with what the majority want to do but it won't derail everything. i had a situation one time -- so i live in new york and i had a situation one time i could barely pay my rent. and to biden's point he was making enbefore, every dollar mattered. if i didn't have every single dollar i'd basically have no dollars. i would be like hey could you take $740, because i almost have it. >> she'sos ambiguous about her position and even the white house now is calling her out. noah, i guess you have cory bush who's been calling out senator sinema to some extent and the positions he's been taking. although we generally don't know what specifically she's negotiating on. so ite' really begs the questio how do you negotiate with someone who doesn't make their positions clear and remains ambiguous at best and doesn't give you any goals to reach for? >> yeah, and i'll add in one more twist. what we seem to know about her positions seem to go in contrast with the positions she held before. she used to be a big environmentalist and now seems to n be against certain environmental provisions. she used to be a big proponent of taxing the wealthy. now she appears to not be. i think the only comfort we can takee from this is that she appears to be keeping her cards very close to her vest and appears to be negotiating in private with the white house. and so there may be a movement privately we're not seeing publicly. but, yeah, generally it's like a riddles wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a shroud of mystery. it is totally freaking weird. >> and to actually have the party and somebody would say they'rean holding the party hostage. because, josh, there's been this speculation whether manchin or sinema might switch parties. manchin was even asked about it this week. listen to this. >> i'll bek. honest with you anything ever said and talked about, if i'm an embarrassment to my democratic colleagues, my caucus, the president being a democratic leader of the democratic party and chuck schumer and all them and be being a moderate centrist democrat, if that causes you a problem let me know. no one accepted that and just said i'll make that offer if you need it. >> he calls himself a moderate centrist democrat. do youce think there's still a place forhe what i think a conservative democrat like joe manchin in the democratic party? >> you know, this is my thing. and i -- i'm copping an idea from a friend who's very wise who basically said this, you know, a week or so ago. butso it's like you almost just need all the ds, all the rs. don't tell anybody. let everybody run and we'll see who we like about what we like. and the thing about i'm this type of democrat which basically makes mecr a republican, it's kd of like when you try to figure out your labels that you're dating. it's like we're either together or not. this thing of like we're taking a break for a minute. >> i'm totally with you because ily feel like as a country we'v reduced ourselves to six questions as a litmus test as to which party you belong to. we're at 300 plus million americans of all colors, shapes and sizes and ideologies and here we are just two parties. do you think it's time to overhaul that system? >> yeah, i mean, i feel like it's amazing this many people agree about anything at all ever. you know, i and i'm not even talking about congress. it youab look at the democratic party whether it's the house of representatives, anything and you're like that's a lot of people. i've been to parties before where we gave everybody a voice and we ordered nothing. we truly just went -- we left the party hungry because people were like pizza, no burgers, no hot dogs. and it was like well if we're allwe equals here i guess we're all going to be hungry. we're starving. >> i've got to admit watching president obama today, molly, i was nostalgic to a different era not just because of his politics but the way he carries himself on the campaign trail. >> i c know why sometimes folks just get tired, and maybe they say i'm not going to bother voting this time. but here's the thing, we can't afford to be tired. i remember in 2016 folks said, you know, i'm not inspired. you know, obama is okay but we didn't get everything i wanted so i'm just going to sit. and y'all know how that turned out. that'sha what happens when you' not paying attention. that's what happens when you become complacent or you let your frustration lead to inaction. we cannot afford to be tired. >> so, molly, you think we as a country, democrats as a party and their base, their constituents, are tired after, you know, putting biden in georgia and all the races of last l year, are they just simp exhausted from everything and are not taking this moment and the kimid-terms next year seriously? >> well, we'll see. i mean, i think it's early days. i think, look, there's a lot of anxiety, right? there's pundit anxiety. there's democratic anxiety. there's a republican party that's justth trying to consolidate the vote and a democratic party that's a argui about whether they should give free glasses. i think it's a scary time in life for a lot of us. there's a lot of pundit anxiety including myself. i have it, too, about virginia and what it mean for youngkin could mean.ng youngkin is a very trumpy guy. so, mpyeah, i think we're all reallyin worried. and we saw what happened in 2020. i mean, theed stakes are very high. >> and even if youngkin wins what that means for the next year of trumpism in this country and everyone holding him up as an example if you become trumpian you could win and this is the pathco forward. molly, noah, joshua, just getting started. a lot more to discuss including internal documents that facebook has long known its algorithms push some users to extremism. plus natural immunity versus vaccine immunity. why one american conservative talk yo show c deliberately tri to catch covid. first rich urd lui here with the headlines. shooting an an off-campus party near state valley university, georgia left one person dead and several injured. authorities saying the person killed was not a student. the n injured are expected to survive. ukrainian businessman lev parnas was foundma guilty of campaigny finance crimes frida. the ex-associate of rudy giuliani was accused among other charges of funneling foreign funds tone various republican candidates during the 2018 mid-term elections. he's convicted on all counts. and edbeloved actor peter scolari passed away earlier this week. and was best known for his roles on new heart and girls. he'd been fighting cancer in recent years. he was 66. more ayman with ayman mohyeldin right after this. n mohyeldin right after this ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ (upbeat music) - [narrator] this is kate. she always wanted her smile to shine. now, she uses a capful of therabreath healthy smile oral rinse to give her the healthy, sparkly smile she always wanted. 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>> this is absolutely in character for facebook. and we show this in our book. and i think this is not unfamiliar to the public at this point where the company has ignored warning signs and alarm bells that were sounded internally. what was really interesting about these documents we were able to hear employees in their own words express their alarm and that was really important as well as our story in "the new york times" and others where we showed facebook technology made it worse. it made misinformation flourish because it pushed people into groups where misinformation was running rampant. and that was really important i think for in this particular round of research for people to see was that it's not just people who are causing the problems. it's the company's technology that's making it worse. >> yeah, no. and in 2016 i think a lot of journalists were kind of self-reflecting about the blind spots they had, and everyone kind of setout to search for the trump voters and try to go on social media to try to see what are the conversations people were having that they were not aware. and again, this is personal. it's completely unscientific. it's anecdotal, but within a cup of weeks of trying to follow more conservative voices, more right-wing media outlets and accounts, my facebook page completely transformed from being something for my friends and family and people i knew overseas to becoming a right-wing feed of just conspiracy theories and this was even pre-pandemic and i was getting all kinds of crazy information. clearly the algorithms are now in control of all of this, and it's almost impossible to break out of that. >> yeah, and i think -- >> well, the algorithms are -- >> sorry, go ahead, noah. >> i was going to say the algorithms are in control but people wrote those algorithms and they wrote them for a purpose. and the purpose was to inflame, enrage and engage users and then peddle them disinformation and that is the purpose of facebook. what's particularly wrong about this particular incident is that for a long time mark zuckerberg presented himself as an avatar of transparency and of sharing. and the more of your personal information you share, the better it is. the better it is for our world if we all share with one another. when in fact they weren't sharing with the world what they knew about their own platform, which is that it was pulling people further and further down a dangerous rabbit hole of not just conspiracies, not just f'd up beliefs, but qanon inspires people to murder. we've had several cases now of child abduction and murder inspired by qanon. this isn't just like people are getting some beliefs, these are people being led into a dangerous death cult. and facebook is right at the center of leading people down into a death cult. and it really needs to be called into account for doing so. >> molly, speaking of mark zuckerberg, things got so bad back in 2018 he had to go on an apology tour. let me play you a bit of that. watch. >> we didn't take a broad enough view of our responsibility and that was a big mistake. and it was my mistake. and i'm sorry. this was a major breach of trust and i'm really sorry this happened. we didn't take a broad enough view of our responsibility and that was a mistake and i'm sorry for it. >> i mean where, how many times do you get to apologize when you are the ceo of such a powerful company? i mean zuck always seems to be really, really sorry if they didn't take a broad enough view and they're going to do better. are we just picking on the poor guy and we need to leave him alone? or at some point is someone going to say you're a trillion dollar company, enough of this? >> facebook has this really kind of insipid cycle where they say you're really, really sorry, you get him, cheryl sandberg out there. 2016 this happened with cam bring analytica, too. this is not their first rodeo of making mistake that damaged the american people. yeah, he loves a good apology, but then they don't do anything. so it's like wonderful they made this apology, but ultimately they then continue being bad actors. so no they can't be forgiven. and obviously they have one motive which is profit, and they're not going to do the right thing until someone is able to hold them to a standard. now, i don't know how that happens because much of congress doesn't understand the internet. but certainly that's a real problem. >> josh, i feel like you want to get in on this. >> no, it's just i shouldn't laugh but every time zuckerberg says he's sorry he says it like it's the first time he's saying sorry. he's like i am so, so sorry. you could say it quickly. and the other thing i need to get out about algorithms in general is no matter what site you're on or what program you're using algorithms aren't made with personality in mind. so all of us on the panel, we love different things. so there might be a day where we love chocolate and then there's a day we want vanilla or strawberry, but the way algorithms work they swing too far one day. so if you get chocolate they're like here are all the shades of chocolate you'll want for the rest of your life. and you're like, whoa, i can't eat this until i'm gone, if that makes sense. inserting some of that personality i think would help a lot and you also wouldn't have to say sorry so slowly all the time. >> i wish they'd let people follow what they want to follow and not keep pushing stuff they think people want to see. i've got to ask you quickly, facebook is reportedly changing its corporate name i think taking a page out of google's parent company that became alphabet and apple computer dropping the second name in 2007. it's really unclear whether this name change is going to work for facebook, but there was this moment in the social network when facebook, you know, talks about the dropping of the "the facebook." watch this. >> drop the "the." just facebook. it's clean. >> since they already dropped the "the," what do you think about dropping the word facebook as well? >> okay, so two things. one last thing to finish up the other thought is that i did -- i love my mama so much. my mom is my best friend so i let my mom maw share my netflix account with me. and one of thingathize that happens is to your point you were making earlier, you can't have the way it algorithm is i'm watching squid game and my mama is watching andy griffith. now netflix doesn't know what to do. i think that's the problem facebook is having. because to the name change point you have to ask yourself like as an individual even if you have to change your name what did you do? what have you done now? because you never -- you're rarely changing your name. i won't say never but you're never changing your name for like good reasons, you know? if you're changing your name as a person -- this is a very different situation. this is the thing. when you're changing your name as a person you're either under witness protection, something has happened. you've done something, you're on the run. and the thing is we don't need facebook to change their name. we just need them to change. that's it. it's like the name change and doing the same thing. it doesn't help anybody. he's just going to be saying sorry with like a different name behind him on the banner. >> let me ask you, though, in all seriousness, how serious of a moment and crisis is this for facebook? because are they too big to ever face real consequences? we just played the montage of apologies. nothing serious ever gets done. is this time different, you think? >> i mean it's so -- that is the question. i don't think it could get any worse for any company right now. facebook's been here before. they were here in 2018 with cambridge analytic and everybody said this is the beginning of big, big change. i mean just as molly was saying the biggest issue or biggest saving grace and safety net for facebook is that the government is not doing anything. and the government does not prioritize this even though they say they do. but until they're able to come up with real legislation that doesn't sort of muck everything else by creating bad legislation and actually enacting the legislation, this won't be a really big moment for facebook. the company stock continues to go up and up. it's been down recently but not necessarily because of these crises. a lot of it has to do with other things as well because of market problems related to privacy and other market issues. it's a really big question. >> cecilia, thank you so much. panel, please stay with me. we've got a lot more to talk about. a tragic accident on a hollywood set leaves a woman dead and an industry searching for answers. i'm going to discuss how not to react to that news. alice loves the scent of gain so much, she wished there was a way to make it last longer. say hello to your fairy godmother alice and long-lasting gain scent beads. try spring daydream, now part of our irresistible scent collection. with voltaren arthritis pain gel my husband's got his moves back. an alternative to pain pills voltaren is the first full prescription strength gel for powerful arthritis pain relief... voltaren the joy of movement ♪ (vo) subaru presents... the underdogs. they may have lost an eye, or their hearing, or their youthful good looks. but there's a lot of things the remarkable dogs haven't lost... like their ability to lick, wag, and love with the best of them. join subaru in helping underdogs find a loving home and celebrate all dogs during our third annual national make a dog's day. let me get this straight. you've got an a.i. strategy to deliver a better customer experience, that will help us retain our customers and even grow our business? 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and as you might have guessed his tweet got over 15,000 replies many users kindly suggesting vance delete the tweet itself and actually his entire twitter account. a comedian pointed out how badly his tweet was coming across and asked if that is what he was going for. but i thought this tweet from shannon watts, the founder of moms demand action put the focus where it needs to be. she wrote a woman is dead, a son's mother was stolen from him, a husband's wife is gone. our hearts go out to the family and loved ones of halyna hutchins. coming up, imagine trying to get covid-19 on purpose. talk about a fever dream. my panel is back next to talk about that. dream my panel is back next to talk about that (sfx: video game vehicle noises, horns beeping,) (engines revving, cars hitting one another.) 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>> a definitely would call that gambling with my health and i'd like some of the drugs dennis was taking, because whatever was going on in that clip it was definitely not a man in his right mind. he sounded way, way out of it. on the real he's been playing this schtik for a long time. he's been making a show of throwing forks on the ground and picking them up and continuing to use them afterwards thinking like the natural restaurant floor bacteria would somehow make him an uber mench. >> this is definitely a head scratcher for me. you have a right ring radio show hoetss, they're a huge source of covid-19 misinformation. days before he announced he was positive he was in colorado speaking at a campaign even for a republican gubernatorial candidate and these voices have a lot of influence. they're not just fringe voices. should more be done to crack down on this kind of misinformation before even more people get sick or die? because by his own admission he hugged thousands of people. you don't know when he got covid. he could have gotten covid and hugged five or six or seven other people. and one of those seven people may have died as a result of him spreading it. >> yeah, and this is a very specific rift here. which is the far right has decided the vaccine is not okay but the experimental monclonal antibody therapy which costs thousands of dollars and has to be administered by infusion is okay. so you saw dan too saying i'm not going to take the vaccine. you know, this is the scam they're doing. they're not going to take the vaccine but they're going to take the horse pill, you know, the ivermectin, and they're going to take the thing that actually worked. and then they're going to say i don't know what it was. maybe it was the thing that actually works and maybe it was the dewormer, who can tell? no, i mean, obviously, but the problem is we are a country not setup for this level of misinformation. so when you start trying to control speech you get into a lot of big problems. and that's what congress is so scared of, which they rightfully should be. but we never had a disinformation problem like this. we certainly had disinformation but not at this scale. and so it's this sort of impossible situation. and there hasn't been legislation that's caught up with this. but, yeah, it's totally scary. and they're killing their own people which seems like a bad business model. >> yeah. josh, let me ask you about the other end of this kind of impossible task as molly was talking about. you know, you had the nhl on monday suspending sharks forward evander cane for 21 games because he submitted a fake covid-19 vaccination card. i think with more organizations trying to implement vaccine mandates, how worried should we be worried about fake i.d.s and an industry of people popping up with fake i.d.s to get into stadiums, go to restaurants and go to concerts. because you know people will not ignore the vaccine mandates but they sure as hell will come up with a fake i.d. card to get in. >> there's so many things on my mind right now. i totally understand that the fake i.d. thing is something i didn't think i'd ever have to deal with again once i turned 21. and that looks like a possibility there. >> it's back. >> that is so nasty that he is dropping forks and then picking them up and eating. but honestly i've got to be real with you for a split second. >> please. >> i know it's what he said but i don't know if i believe him. this is very interesting time to get covid. there's a vaccine out. it's like, you know, the rates are going down in certain parts of the country and everything. so my man saying he's been hugging thousands of people is like clearly covid did not want to catch him because he's out here doing a lot. then also he says he was trying to get covid this entire time but he didn't go to spring break 2020. he didn't go to any of the motorcycle -- like my man did not do the things you needed to do in 2020 to get covid. and look, i'll be honest with you as far as when you're embarrassed, when you're a little bit embarrassed and then uuse the tactic of i meant to do that or this is all part of my plan, i've used this tactics many times. many times i've been broken up with and if you talk to me the time i'm like it was mutual. it's the thing he's doing. i don't know anyone would want to manage to get a thing they managed to avoid this entire time. and as far as the nhl goes i think you're also talking about a situation where on the whole it exposes the fact that vaccination cards and the way that we go about proving vaccination status just needs to be a little bit more concrete. you know, there's you know, there is -- fake ids is something you have to figure out as you go. people have those for licenses. of course they're going to make that for a piece of paper with eight lines on it. >> guys, i'm going to have to leave it at that. i enjoyed that. really appreciate it. thank you. coming up, one tiktok sensation is giving a whole new meaning to a phrase throw a dog a bone. i will explain that before we go. with pronamel repair toothpaste, we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. unconventional thinking means we see things differently, so you can focus on what matters most. that's how we've become the leader in 5g and a partner who delivers exceptional customer support, and 5g included in every plan, so you get it all. 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