leaders will, by all accounts hood county made a really good choice when they pick somebody to come in and be the sort of technocrat that nonpartisan official who would administer their elections. and in fact when it came time for the presidential election in november of last year, november of 2020, things went off absolutely without a hitch. in hud county. i should mention that county is really really conservative. it's really republican. to prove my point, these were the results in her county from the november election. the donald trump won 81% of the vote. there he beat joe biden in hood county by 64 point. keep in mind, over the entire state of texas, donald trump's margin of victory was six points in hood county it was 64 points. an absolute landslide. [laughs] by any measure. so, if you were a trump supporter, who fervently believes what trump says, which is that the 2020 election was stolen from him, or you might be mad at that, you might direct your eye or about that, somewhere where the results don't seem right to you, a place you expected trump to win, but biden won instead. you might inspect that hope county texas that won trump won by a 64 point margin, you might expect a hood county and non controversial experience nonpartisan election administrators, you might expect that and her to be unlikely targets. for the rage of trump supporting republicans angry about the election results. but, here we are. the texas tribune has been reporting now on a month long effort by far-right trump supporting election conspiracy theorists in hood county texas. to get that county election administrator fired. they have not only attacked or. they've attacked any elected leader in the county that supports her. the local republican party in her county actually put down in writing, and passed a resolution threatening that they will run a negative social media campaign against the top elected official in the county if he did not hold the hearing specifically on fire in her. then the election administrator, michelle karoo, she was forced to sit through a public county meeting where the railed against are and demanding that she must be fired. and remember these are basically all republicans that we are talking about here. the county that hired michelle carew, is run by republicans. the county that employed her for several years prior is equally republican. the republican party chair up that county, where miss michelle carew, used to run elections, told the tribune that she can't imagine anyone not giving her anything but a plus as a great. she's that good, people have to realize her credentials are impeccable. she knows what she is doing. >> so this experience election administrator, not a single blemish on a record, highly respected by even republican party officials in texas. she runs an election in what county texas. in which donald trump wins by 64 points, what's the problem? this is from the texas tribune today, far-right conservatives who preach allegiance to trump are demanding that michelle carew, be placed under elected county clerk, katie lang, who has a spouse to trump stolen election. well, trump -- including those produced by popular local far-right facebook and youtube shows that has claimed the presidential election was stolen. it is also repeatedly called for michelle carew, i'll stir that shows founder is mike lang, miss katie lang husband. facts have confounded that miss michelle carew, is on partisan but who has voted in republican primaries for the past 11 years, according to public records. michelle carew told the public record, that i follow alone, the worst part was being dragged through the mud over something that they don't know what they're talking about. i do not feel like i'm the same person i was a year ago. this county house ruined me. and so now michelle carew, has handed in her recognition. and she will no longer be the admissions committed of county texas. she told the tribune today that when i started out, election officials were highly respected. now we are made out to be the bad guys. one of the things that we hear from a lot of the folks at the state level that are pushing for these bizarre trumpy investigations, or fake audit of the 2020 really results, or pushing for change for voting laws because there was something so wrong with the 2020 voting, a lot of the time they say this isn't about overturning the 2020 election. it absolutely is about overturning the 2020 election. but in a more sir present danger. it's about them trying to gain control over the administration of the next election. taking the administration out of the hands of nonpartisan, technical, professionals. i'm putting it in the hands of people who say the last election was stolen, and who say that they are going to make sure the right person wins the next time. that is happening even in the reddest counties in texas. that had the reddest election results you could possibly imagine. look at what's happening in michigan right now. this is a remarkable historic from the dallas news, excuse me from the detroit. news quote >> republican party leaders across the battleground state of michigan have quietly worked in recent weeks to replace incumbent county election officials with newcomers, some of whom have sought the undermined the public's faith in the 2020. the trend focuses on four member county canvassing boards, the bipartisan felt panels in charge of verifying records and importantly certifying results. >> do you remember a couple of weeks after the 2020 election, there was this brief crazy moment in wayne county michigan. that's the largest county in the state, that's for detroit. is the bipartisan boards, the board of canvassers, the two republicans on the wing board of canvassers initially voted against certifying the results of the presidential election in wayne county. because there must of been all this fraud in detroit, right? the board of canvassers deadlock put the republicans saying that they would not certify. so that meant that wind county could not certify's results. president trump even personally called the two republicans of the county board that night. and that was gonna be this very consequential win for trump's efforts to overturn the election result. to get local republican officials to block the certification of the vote. well the way that resolved is ultimately those republican officials in wayne county michigan, ended up changing their minds, -- and they did allow the certification of biden's win to go ahead. what is happening in michigan right now, quietly, under the radar, is that republicans have decided they are not going to make that mistake again. one of those republican members of the board of canvassers, in wayne county who briefly about the certification of biden's win in november, she wanted to continue on that board, but local republican leaders will not renominate her for the position. she said is it absolutely because she ultimately voted to certify that biden had won the election. one of the people local republicans have nominated to replace her on the board of canvassers. appears to be one of the witnesses rudy giuliani dug up to support his big claims of election fraud during his particularly crazy appearances before the american legislator last december. one of the giuliani witnesses is going to replace the woman who actually initially voted not to certify, and then voted to certify. for the board of canvassers in michigan's third largest county, republicans have nominated a woman who said last year that president trump should not only suspend meetings of the electoral college, she said that trump should have military tribunals. investigate claims about election fraud. local republicans now quarter up for the board of canvassers in the third largest county in the state of michigan. the detroit news asked this woman if she believed the 2020 election was stolen from trump, she responded to them quote, i do not not believe it. [laughs] and another michigan county republicans have nominated the wife of the conservative radio commentator who recently moderated an event with the my pillow guy, about how the supreme court is about to put -- back in office. here's that radio host today at a rally on the trump steps of the michigan capital. >> here's the truth, you need to get a whole of your state, rat and your state senator and tell him that if they do not do an audit you will not put up signs, you will not knock on doors, you will not give the money, and you should a hell will not fall for them next year. if the fix isn't, the democrats are going to win anyway, right? because they won't get rid of these machines. and guess what, give the power to the democrats, let them run it right into the ground, they will we -- >> he's a local public intellectual in michigan, his wife had just been nominated by the local republican party to become a republican member of the county board of canvassers. which will mean that you will be in charge of deciding whether election results are certified in that county or not. the gentleman was speaking at a pro trump rally at the michigan state capital today. count michigan demand a transparent forensic audit. and what you heard that gentleman say there is that the new republican platform should be based around this. which is basically true, right? this is what the republican county or state law -- if you want to get votes or public didn't candidate want to get from a trump supporting base of the republican party you want to support their being these investigations of the last election after one of these fake audit. you want to commit to the ideas that the 2020 election was fraudulent and stolen and you'll stop the next election from being stolen. because otherwise why? vote if the machines are attacked by democrats. and that communist dictators. what is the point? will all stay home unless you republican candidates commit to this fantasy. that trump somehow secretly won the last election, and it's all a big cover-up. meanwhile, republicans across michigan really are very quietly stacking local election sports with people who are committed to that cause. who will make sure things will go the way they are supposed to the next time. and it is not just a local level, the state levels to. the first speaker, at today's rally in michigan was the trump endorsed republican candidate for secretary of state, who would become the state's top elections official. she spoke at that evening today. here by the way was how today's rally ended with this prayer. >> god that this election integrity every single will be turned around. in jesus name and for your glory, amen. god bless you. go with god. michigan shall be saved. the election shall be rectified. in jesus name. >> michigan shall be saved. the election shall be rectified. as rally goers flew upside down american flags, and the skull flag from the three percenters militia we are everywhere. perhaps, the one disappointment for today's rally going in michigan was that there was no appearance from donald trump himself. at one point, there was this expectation that he was supposed to be calling in. but he didn't. i guess he canceled. i guess he certainly promoted the event. this is a few days ago, big michigan rally coming up on october 12 on the capitol steps. impeachments will demand a forensic audit of the 2020 election scam. the voter fraud is beyond what anyone can believe. anyone who cares about our great country should attend. because unless we look to the past and fix what happened, we won't have a future or a country. let's go michigan. don't let us down. just in case you thought donald trump might be shining away from encouraging his supporters to rally a capital buildings, or otherwise we won't have a country anymore. in case you thought he might think -- in messages like this. after what happened with the january 6th rally, remember? everyone needs to come to d.c., it will be wild. it's not shining away from it now. why would you try from anything right now? even as the election conspiracy spreads further, and stronger, even as a supporters get together on taking over the election infrastructure in key states. even if he calls his supporters to rally on the steps of state capitol, his support from the mainstream of the republican party in all of this is only growing and becoming more harm margin is. he held this rally in iowa this evening about election fraud and forensic audit, and the election being stolen from him, just as not as ever only now it's not just a my pillow guy. and really giuliani running down -- kraken -- and republican senator chuck grassley in just sitting there right him going along with all of it. and then the next morning on the silver sunday show there's we steve scalise, the number two in the house of the representatives, or in this week repairing the sponsors theory that all the voting rules were rigged and biden's favor in states like pennsylvania. and so therefore biden's win somehow not right. that was this weekend. in pennsylvania this weekend, trump advisor steve bannon spoke at a gun cult event about how pennsylvania must have a full audit, and new canvas of its 2020 votes, i when i say this sort of cultivation i'm not being flip about that. literally this was the event by the muniz, the son of the muniz that was the guy who proclaimed himself the maya, the son of the now did mooney leader does not say that he is technically the masai. but he and his brother now run a gun factory and church in pennsylvania where the people who worship in the church. are expected to hold their air 15 while they worship, and he does wear a crown of bullets. see what he's wearing on his? head it's a crown of bullets. and, yes he was part of the january 6th attack on the capitol. that's where steve bannon spoke this, weekend at his event. talking about how pennsylvania needs a full forensic audit now to. it is a slippery, slope that we are sliding down right now, just listen to the trump endorsed republican candidate for michigan attorney general today. riling at the crowd against the current attorney general at the state of michigan. is the crowd demands lock her up, lock her up. >> i've been threatened by dana nessel, she thinks people who support election integrity should be criminally prosecuted. i have been told, and demanded by our elected officials, to stop talking about this issue. i have been told, to stop talking about american values. i stood up, and i fought, some to try to vindicate president trump. she does not value your. rights but we need an army to fight. >> we need an army to fight, we need an army to fight. dana nessel does not value your, writes locker, up lock her up. joining us now is michigan attorney general, dana nessel. madam attorney general, this is been a weird day for you i imagine, at work and otherwise. thank you for being here tonight, i appreciate you making the time. >> thanks for having me. this is a trump endorsed candidate, who wants to be the next secretary of state, who wants to be the next attorney general of michigan, meeting this rally and chants about you today. lock her up, lock her up. saying they need an army against you. i just have to ask, you hearing, that knowing that happened today at the state capital, i would just like to get your response. >> honestly, it's terrifying, it's hard to believe, that this is the democracy that we know and love and how quickly it's deteriorating. i believe that when he talks about prosecuting me, in the event that he is successful, and he defeats me, in 2022, i believe him, when he says that he will prosecute me. and prosecute people like. me and i think he will prosecute our governor, and our secretary of state. and anyone else, who he believes in any way shape or form, has not supported donald trump, and that's exactly why donald trump supports him, for the position of michigan attorney general, knowing how crucial that position, is as a swing state a.g., and the role that swing states play, in presidential elections, in upholding the rule of law. and ensuring that the person who actually received the most votes, gets our electoral votes. >> it feels, like over and over again, michigan has sort of been the, unfortunate metaphor, about the tip of the proverbial spear, in terms of the invocation and throw of violence. and the bleed over into right-wing politics. and into fairly mainstream republican politics. i have to ask the kidnapping plot against governor whitmer, with the violence and threatening protests, outside peoples homes, with right wingers bringing assault rifles into the state capital last year. with the kind of thing that we saw today, with a 3% militia flags. in the threatening to lock you up, and the threats of violence at this event today. is the entire republican party radicalizing in this direction? or do you think that this is turning off some people who were otherwise, common sense republican voters, who may at this point feel like they don't have a home in michigan politics. they may not identify as a democrat, but things are getting weird enough in michigan republican politics, that it is isolating some people who might have previously been their supporters. >> i think certainly there are a lot of voters, that are turned, off if you look at highly populated areas, like kent county, i think a lot of the voters there, that traditionally voted republican, they definitely are turned off by this. unfortunately, the members of the party, and those who run for positions and elected leadership in the, party are totally devoted to trump, and that means coalescing behind this very violence, message, of demagoguery, that's what they're going to do. what we've seen and will be seen all over the, nation is the more moderate members of the party, seem to drop, off because they know they have no hope of becoming the nominee, for whatever position it is. and you end up, with these extremists and, i'm just going to, say those who expose, fast-ism, or autocracy, those are the people who are willing to undermine democracy, and don't care if we have minority rule, in our state, or in the country. those are the ones that end up as the nominees, for the republican party, and there is literally no room for anyone else at this point. >> michigan attorney general dana nessel. as i, said i know this day is probably been a trip for, you and an unpleasant when it. that thank you for helping us understand, and for keeping us updated tonight. it's nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me. okay we have much more, ahead stay with us. okay we have much more, ahea stay with us stay with us coverage customizer tool? so you only pay for what you need. sorry? limu, you're an animal! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ qunol is the number one cardiologist recommended form of coq10. qunol has 3 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a vaccine against malaria. maybe a vaccine for hiv. it's a bit kind of a big week. for all the other things that are wrong in our world right now, science and medical researchers are out there hustling dragon after dragon right now. we are heading this week, into what's about to be a world win of decisions and announcements from the fda and the cdc, on yet further developments. pfizer is expecting approval of its covid vaccine for kids, ages 5 to 11. the white house today put out advice to governors around the country to get ready. in all the states, to rule out vaccines for kids ages 5 to 11. elementary school aged kids. on thursday and friday, this, week the fda advisory board is going to make decisions on booster shots for people who got the moderna covid vaccine. or the johnson & johnson covid vaccine. they're also interestingly going to hear data on what happens if people mix and match two different brands of vaccine for their boosters. that is all going to happen at the fda advisory panel this week. all of this is going to come soon. and yes, the people who have decided that science is scary, and curing things is an evil liberal plot, those folks will continue to be weird about all of it, absolutely. but, we focus on that a lot. and i think that there is called to not let the reaction of the weird fringe always loom to large. if you don't let that weirdness a couture vision of what is going on here, we are having a kind of halcyon moment for science. for researchers putting their work to practical effect. saving human lives in ways we never thought would be possible. yes we have to forgot how to get everybody as access to these things. we have to figure manufacturing, pricing, and fairness. yes we have to deal with the crazy conspiracy theory in the covid denialism in the rest of things. but, science right now, scientific research is winning some of the hardest battles. that scientists have never even tried to fight. and we are the beneficiaries of it. and that is worth more than a civil lining. that is worth spending some time with. joining us now is doctor vin gupta, critical care pulmonologist, institute for the health of elevation and part of the university of washington. doctor we vin gupta, it's great to have you here. >> safety rachel thanks for having me. >> so i talked about a whole bunch of different things, their first i want to ask you what you think about the promise of this new anti viral pill against covid. doctors don't have all that many pharmaceutical treatment options for effectively treating covid for keeping people out of the hospital, keeping people from dying from it. are you encouraged about the data you see so far on that anti viral pill? >> so we are learning more, rachel, about this spill. i would say for all your fevers, think of this as tamiflu. which is something that we prescribed for flu. if you get diagnosed early were flu sometimes if you are high risk progression, sometimes mild symptoms of the flu, where you are going to hand up in the hospital, we give you ten flu. something really similar with this pill, rachel, for covid-19. if we diagnosed too early an early diagnosis mile tomorrow symptoms. we can give you a five-day horse pill, maybe will keep you out of the hospital. it's a 50% reduction and likely hospitalization. and we say this is a medium to longer term solution great for global health, it's easily scalable, you can get it to places where vaccines are hard to deliver but if you are unvaccinated individual washing this right now, we are used to dealing with vaccines that have 90% effectiveness at keeping you out of the hospital. this is 50%. so please don't do this as a great insurance policy, if that's it. we >> in terms of vaccinations, if the pfizer vaccine is approved for kids ages 5 to 11, we saw the advice go out from the white house today telling governors around the country to get ready, we are going to have to be ready to roll out vaccines for elementary school ages 5 to 11. which is a different kind of rollout that any vaccine effort that we have seen thus far. how do you think that might change the dynamic of the virus? how do you think that might change the dynamic of that natural epidemic heading into the winter if kids can be vaccinated over each five? >> rachel, what we know is that they're still not a lot of kids tending up in pediatric hot's puddles, pediatric icus, due to covid-19. which is a relief. in some cases we're seeing 4% of hospitalizations in places like idaho. represented by pediatric cases. but that is the rare exception. so that is a great thing. it is going to help reduce the amount of transmission of covid, the virus that causes covid in our community. we know that toddlers, young children, can transmit this virus as easily as older adolescents. so this will ultimately be a good thing. but i will caution here that we're still plateauing at daily deaths of 1000, 200 daily a day. as we go into flu and colds season. so we need to remain vigilant. >> doctor gupta, i'd also like to ask you the last time that we spoke you were deploying as part of your service with the air force reserves working as an icu doctor for the critical care transporting for a response around covid, you were just starting that work. you are doing your training effort. there i just want to ask you, how that went if you could tell us at all with that deployment is like? >> absolutely. i would say that we were actually stationed in southern ohio, cincinnati. but we were actually moving patients that needed ecmo. other events in the icu, from places like -- it wasn't a heroic effort that we do for a living. i was just a point there for a matter of a few weeks and then somebody spared me. but this is what's happening in the progressive militarization of our covid response. we are using military at sits as we talked about, rachel, to actually fill short gaps. because the biggest limiting step right now is ana -- the ventilators or bets. it's on stuff bets. it's the availability, so we can see a lot more of this critically whole patients from point a to point b. hopefully this is we don't see a lot more of it but i expect we will in the coming months. >> right, as an important thing that we don't see as visibly, we see those military teams and those federal response teams turning up in rural hospitals around the country. that the other part of it is that there's military transport assets. we developed a force in the combat context of being used now for american civilians needing to be moved to care within our country. doctor gupta, i really appreciate you being here as always, thank you for your service, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> all right we'll be right back, stay with us. hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ with relapsing forms of ms... there's a lot to deal with. not just unpredictable relapses. all these other things too. it can all add up. kesimpta is a once-monthly at-home injection... that may help you put 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overschedule procedure after having none the day before. she was unable to get an abortion. provider in houston recalls a patient with five children, two of them have disabilities, who had embryonic cardiac activity at just five weeks, four days pregnant. the patient frantically pleaded 1 am i going to do? what is going to happen? now one provider had a patient say put oil in her vagina to try to terminate her pregnancy and worries the abortion ban will force more people into, back alleyways. one provider in houston spoke of a 12-year-old patient who came in with her mother, a single working mother with other children. the mother said they could not travel out of state, they have barely made it to the texas health center. the 12-year-old said, mom it was an accident, why are they making me keep it. she is 12. one patient suffers from a chronic disease, from which he is unable to get medication for eight months. she fears the stress of the pregnancy would probably kill me. just to relieve an out of state abortion was worried that because of the law, quote, they'd be waiting to drag me off to jail, when i got. here -- i had the woman not be able to get an abortion, she would be quote, looking online to see if there's something i could eat, to terminate the pregnancy, or to throw myself down the stairs. >> last night a handful of planned parenthood in texas and surrounding states as file this brief with the fifth circuit u.s. court, that is currently considering to allow texas's abortion ban to stay in effect while the u.s. justice department continues to challenge it in court. joining us now is doctor bhavik kumar, he provides center for choice in houston, texas, doctor kumar has witnessed stories like this firsthand over the last suit -- as the spanish been on a not in effect. doctor i really appreciate you taking the time to be here tonight. >> thank you for having. >> so this is a 17 page brief that was filed with the federal appeals court in this case. it is harrowing. i just have to ask if any of this resonates. if any of this tracked with your experience providing abortion in texas and what it is been like since the ban has allowed to go into place last month. >> yes but i would say, rachel, these are stories that we hear every day. i have been providing abortion care in texas for about six and a half years now. and these stories are perhaps surprising to a lot of people. but there are stories that we hear every single day. each person that we take care of has their own story whether they are already mothers, whether they're teenagers, whether they're struggled to get to the clinic, whether they are having financial difficulties. paying for the care that they. need they all have their individual stories. and it is really the stories that drive us to do the work. i can speak for myself and say, it's the stories that drive me to continue doing the work when things are very difficult. certainly, over the last 2:40 days since the law has been in effect, since september 1st, it has been very difficult. while we have the capabilities, while we have the physicians the means to provide the care for people, we are being denied the ability to care for people. we are looking them in the face, we hear their stories, we hear their pleas, and we have to say no. we have to say you have to go out of state. oftentimes folks will tell us, it's just not possible. they can't make it out of state. it was very difficult for them to get time up to make it to the clinic that they. let alone travel in a global pandemic to another state. where they don't know anyone. where they don't know the health center. where they may not have support to get their, whether it's financially, or another person to drive them there. it can be very very difficult for them. so, it is taking a toll on all of us who provide this care for people, and also for the people who need access to this care. >> i think that in the abstract thinking about roe v. wade being tripped away, and being negated the way this tech suspend has done. i think that in the abstract of what is genuinely thought is that i've been chilly if enough states started to van and fortunes effectively make it impossible to get, that women would start to turn to illegal and very dangerous means of what we used to call back alley abortions, serve coat hanger or stories. that we know from the perot era. but i think the idea is that that would happen eventually. and once it was many states that had these kind of bands in effect. the thing that i feel sort of put my heart in my throat today, reading this briefs, was to hear the direct quotes from so many patients saying immediately that they are already trying or looking for, or expecting to try ways, home remedies things they have heard about on the internet things we've heard from friends might be a way to terminate their pregnancy. including a woman talking about throwing themselves down the states. they're already talking about going to those remedies. yes absolutely. what i would say, is roe is the floor. in a state like, texas with so many states in the south, we have so many abortion restrictions, that we are already navigating, access is already difficult. the stories you are hearing is not only in light of spca, they're coming the, surface there's certainly more drying at this moment. but these are things that i've heard from people even before, this access to abortion is already difficult. people have already sought to find things on the internet, take, pills medications. herbs. try to put things inch side there regina, physical, abuse whether it's doing themselves or a partner, there's already desperation in accessing abortion throughout the south. what we're seeing with senate bill eight, is it's being amplified, it's being concentrated, there's a lot more attention on these stories, which is certainly warranted, but this is not new, access to abortion is already been under threat, these things are happening not only in texas, but in so many others, states and that's exactly, why providers like me provide abortion, care because we want people to access care in a safe way. we want them to have the care they need, when they need, it and we want them to have the ability to end their pregnancies safely. that's with this is all about. >> one of the things that has been unusual here, and it's because of the way texas wrote this law to try to evade judicial scrutiny is we've had a lot turn off and back. on potentially we can have that happen again before this is ultimately are resolved. you want the band to not be in effect, even with all the difficulties that were there pre-this. by having this whether the law is in effect or whether the navy -- or provide abortions to, people while the law was under injunction. that uncertainty has to make things that much harder, for both you and your, colleagues but also for you and your patience. >> absolutely. it really feels like a rollercoaster. of course, this is happening with this bill, but it's also happening before. this is not the first lawsuit that's determine how and if we can provide, care especially when it comes to abortion care in texas. we went through something like this less spring, when the governor issued an executive order banning abortion. and we either open or closed or clinic, during that four-week period, eight times. you can just imagine what it's like to open and close a clinic, when decisions are coming, down sometimes in the middle of the, day sometimes in the evening, for example the decision from the federal court came down on friday at 9 pm. and so what that means for us is that we are having to go into action very quickly, with very little, warning we are having to call patients to either schedule or cancel appointments. things can be scheduled and then things can be turned over the next day. and we're having to cancel those appointments again. it's a tremendous amount of work on us and our staff that do this work at planned parenthood, and it's also very confusing to patients. they are desperate to get the care they need, these laws, these courts, these decisions don't make any sense to them. they know their, pregnant and they know that they campy, and they're asking us for, help they don't care what the court said, they don't care what a judge decided, they don't care about the lawsuit, it doesn't make sense to anybody. you can just imagine a time we need health, here you go to a doctor, you go to a health care, clinic you go to somebody that can help you and you expect them to help you. >> doctor, abortion care provider at plan parent center for choice in houston, texas doctor, thank you for being here with us, thank you for willing to talk about this, i know this is a fraud and difficult time. i appreciated. >> thanks for having. me okay will be right back. stay with us. okay will be right back stay with us stay with us (upbeat music) - [narrator] this is 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