congressional democrats are gearing up for another week of negotiations as they attempt to move forward with two key pieces of president biden's economic agenda. the road toward passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the democrats' larger spending package is far from smooth and the clock is ticking. democrats are racing against the clock as they push to pass both bills by the end of the month but face two major roadblocks in the form of so-called moderates. senator joe manchin and senator sinman. they have yet to bridge one of the most important parts, prescription drug price reform. senator sinema hasn't wavered. but hasn't specified what she would like to see. that's frustrating bernie sanders who implied her opposition may be linked to where her donations are coming from. he said in part, quote, take a hard look at the people who are opposed to strong legislation to lower the cost of prescription drugs and take a look at their campaign finance reports. i know this is intra-party bickering. but the work of governing often is tough. democrats are juggling the investigation of january 6th capitol attack. dan scavino has been found and served with subpoena from the house select committee investigating the insurrection. the panel hit him and three other members of the ex-president's inner circle with subpoenaed demanding their hand over documents and sit for deposition testimony this week. we will see if they choose to comply, which sounds strange. joining me now is jennifer rubin. she's a "washington post" opinion writer and the author of "resistance, how women saved democracy from donald trump." and tarif palmeri is also. jennifer, i want to start with you. what is your take on the fact that steve bannon and others are refusing to actually be called forward and actually talk about the subpoena? they don't want to present themselves. >> we will see what steve bannon does. i don't think this committee will put up with his nonsense. there's no basis for executive privilege. he wasn't a white house employee. ex-presidents don't get to invoke executive privilege. he is out on both counts. i don't think the committee is going to stand for this. i think they will seek a contempt proceeding. we will see if he wants to go to jail or suffer a fine. i think he is grandstanding. it's vital to get all these people under oath, to get every document they have. we shouldn't forget that the senate judiciary committee is doing great work. their report that came out last week is very helpful in documenting the entire pattern of conduct leading up to january 6th involving the justice department and donald trump. >> what can we expect? what is the committee going to do if they refuse to come forward? >> like jennifer said, they can start a process. >> we're having a challenge -- we're having challenges with your audio. >> okay. >> start again. >> they will start a process of contempt -- filing contempt of congress against these people at the end of the day, i don't think that they have that much power to be able to bring them into the halls of capitol hill. they need to get law enforcement involved. it's a very extreme step. it drags out the process. could take a year or more. they're going to put up a fight for as long as they can. they have been authorized by their leader, donald trump, to do so. he is making it more difficult as well. but president biden said no executive privilege. it does not apply. there's documents out there the national archives which will show us what they did in the hours before and after january 6th. it will really paint a true picture of who was behind this and how organized it was, possibly at the highest levels of the white house. >> it sounds like we are finding there have been congress members involved. we will be following this development. i want to pivot to what we are seeing right now, jennifer, with the negotiations within the democratic party where they are trying to come to an agreement. normally, they were trying to get passage of the reconciliation bill for these social programs. now they are negotiating close to $1.9 trillion. what is going to give? what are the line items that you think are going to basically be left aside? >> first of all, i want to stress it's not the, quote, moderates holding this up. amy klobuchar is a moderate. she's on board. all the house moderates are on board, including abigail spamburger. we are talking about two senators who for reasons escape me want to hold this thing -- possibly wreck the biden presidency. they are isolated. it's unclear what they want. sinema, who accepted a lot of money from the pharmaceutical industry, doesn't want medicare to negotiate lower prescription drug prices. imagine how that goes over in the democratic party. joe manchin has concerned about green energy since he comes from west virginia. ultimately, we will get down to some sort of number. remember, anything that falls out -- democrats are free to bring back in a standalone measure and force the republicans to either filibuster or come to the negotiation on it. i think something will get done. these negotiations have a very long and winding path. essentially, they make a deal when everyone is sick of talking to one another and when the president says, i've had it, i will turn this car around if you don't make a deal. i think eventually they will reach it. >> you have no idea. long time ago, my previous life, i used to do appropriations work. when you are exhausted, you have a tendency of giving better stuff. i want to ask, mitch mcconnell said, caved on the debt ceiling negotiation, but says he will not do it in december. what's your take? >> i think that's probably right. i think this was all a strategic plan by mitch mcconnell to push off an even bigger fight until december when they're not just dealing with the debt ceiling but also government shutdown. then he can paint the democrats as a party of bad governance and action, creating economic distress. then they can fully force them into voting to lift the debt ceiling and also to refund the government but along a party line. he can say, they are drunken sailers with spending. it's all about politics. i think we say, you know, mcconnell caved -- truly, i think he was being strategic to make this an even bigger showdown in december when people are going to be more anxious, i think, because it will be december. >> i think that's right. your audio is cutting out. your audio is cutting out. i think you are right. i think they're pushing to december whether more people are -- when more people are paying attention. i think it's serving the democrats having a legislator in the oval office. thank you. joining me now is california democratic congressman mark takano. he is a member of the education and labor committee. i want to ask you, what are democrats going to give in these negotiations? what is set aside for the human infrastructure bill? >> you know, i could remain as a member of the progressive caucus very committed to the progressive caucus' priorities in addition to the many other things in the build back better reconciliation build that are popular with the american people, including even -- you named the district, whether it's red, purple or blue, these are high priorities. they include a care economy, which means bringing more home care workers and childcare workers, making childcare universal. we are talking about affordable housing. we are talking about lowering the cost of prescription drugs by negotiating with medicare. making those savings available to lower the cost of drugs. bold investments in climate change remediation measures. that's highly popular with the american people. finally, working toward some sort of solution to the 11 million undocumented in our country and a pathway to citizenship. i won't get into universal community college -- free community college for all americans. just a tremendous number of other things that this reconciliation bill will do to unify america. >> i think you are right. i think the challenge is -- we can illustrate senator manchin, what he is saying is we can't do it all. even though what we are talking about is childcare, for example, so that mothers can get back to work. you said a list of the benefits that would benefit virginians, one of the poorest states in the country. yet he is sharing that he doesn't -- he wants certain things to be taken out. how do you negotiate that between the senator manchins and the progressive caucus, recognizing that the majority of americans want to get back to normal, want the economy and want a social safety net so they can get going. can you talk about that? what's happening right now where there seems to be an asymmetrical association of what the american people want and what joe manchin is technically saying he stands for? >> let me say, i don't think -- it's not the right thing for just very, very few -- a couple of senators to be, i think, holding things up. they need to be more clear and more transparent about what it is that they are for. instead of just a focus on what can't be in it. it's non-negotiable to me that we leave climate change out. that's an urgent issue with all of the more frequent climate events, extreme weather events. as chairman of the veterans affairs committee, i have seen the inadequate ways in which we are prepared to deal with events like hurricane maria in puerto rico, hurricane ida most recently in louisiana. our health care workforce, which is what the v.a. is, 150 medical centers across the country, when in times of emergency address a health care system that is under stress and a national emergency. we had half the number of emergency health care workers that we were able to move for ida. health care workers is one of the things that the build back better agenda would address. health care workers, that's related to climate change. i don't know that that is what folks want to take out of the bill. that's the problem. i don't think it's -- i think it's a very big problem for those that are standing in the way to name popular things that they would take out. all these -- i regard everything in these bills as sort of like my children. i'm single and i'm unmarried but they're my children. it's hard to say which child are you going to sacrifice. >> that's a question to ask. which child will you sacrifice? whose child will you sacrifice? >> don't put it on me to say which child i'm going to sacrifice. >> i'm not putting it on you. i'm saying on the other side. we are aligned. i understand what you are trying to achieve. it's more of the hypothetical. tomorrow is -- tomorrow we mark national coming out day. you were the first congressman who bravely came out in 2012. given the different levels of toxicity you may find around your co-workers, how free and safe do you feel walking the halls of congress? >> you know, i don't have a problem walking the halls of congress. but i know that there are many parts of the country where people reason free and especially our trans siblings. never before have i seen such a retrenchment, even among the so-called moderate members of the other side of the aisle, the republicans. trans seems to be the target that the other side of the aisle wants to attack, especially trans youth. i have never seen such a thing. what's worse is that they have made the very people who need the protections of the equality act are being made the very reason why they call the act shouldn't pass, people whose lives are threatened and murdered and endangered and harassed. they are the argument for republicans for not passing the equality act. that's where we stand in 2021. it's heartbreaking. it's terrible. i think just really scandalous that this is happening. we have gotten less republican votes for the equality act in this congress than the last. there's some members who voted for it in the last congress, republican members, and they haven't voted for it in this congress. in numerous pieces of legislation, if lgbt is mentioned in it, that becomes a roadblock for it to be moved forward because of republican abstinence. national coming out day, i think it's a day to recognize the great progress we have made a lgbt people in the country. so many people have made that brave decision to be who they are, who live authentically. make no mistake, it is a division that exists today and it's a more dangerous division. it's being done for politics. the republicans are doing it for politics. >> thank you, congressman mark takano for being there and for speaking truth. thank you for joining me this morning. >> thank you. coming up, senior u.s. and tally fan officials are holding talks for the first time since kabul fell. the battle for access to abortion has consequences for all women in the u.s., but especially women of color and women in poverty. more of that uphill fight ahead. when you think of the fight against segregation in public schools, you think of the landmark supreme court case brown versus the board of education. that wasn't the only case to take on discrimination in american schools. you don't want to miss a special "velshi" into a case from texas that you probably never learned about in school. >> i think there's a lot of relevant things we can learn from that part of our history. sweeping it under the rug and not talking about racism and not talking about that part of our history is actually hurting our chances of solving some of the very complex issues that we have to deal with. to deal with ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ (burke) i've seen this movie before. 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>> absolutely. first of all, good morning to you. texas continues to just go the wrong direction on everything. obviously, most people heard of us when we started fighting against voting rights issues. now we're dealing with abortion issues in texas. you said it. it's not going to stop abortions. in texas, it's getting it wrong in the first place. we lead in maternal maternity and lead in uninsured in the country. the party that claims to be pro life is doing anything but being pro life. instead, they are absolutely doing the opposite. they claim they care for an innocence life. it's nothing more than a sham and game they are playing. when we are talking about an abortion, we are talking about previability abortions. we're not talking about actual viable babies. that's how they try to sell it. >> jennifer, one of the things that i found that temporarily stopped this ban from going into affect was -- it happened over the week where a judge declared why this was not only harmful to women but also documented in his footnotes what women are going through. one stuck out. he basically described how a minor child had to drive to oklahoma with a family member to get an abortion because she had been raped by a family member. can you speak to how harmful it is to not only have a ban but how it impacts the day to day life of individuals where they are facing tragedy and now they have to drive and hope that they can get an abortion across state lines? >> i think you are right. i think it's not just driving across state lines. it's taking time off work, it's having the finances and resources, in some states the 24 to 48-hour waiting period that most people have to face when they cross state lines to travel to abortions. to your point, what happens in texas isn't just staying in texas. people traveling across the state, those residents in the states who are seeking abortion also have a delay seeking the care they need. we see republican legislators in half a dozen states who are signaling they are committed to restricting abortion care in their states. they have filed legislation. these legislators are content and hell bent on restricting abortion access in those states. >> i want to ask you a question, not as a legislator but as a black woman living in texas where now the government wants to interfere. talk to me about that feeling. >> it's interesting. i don't want to use the word that comes to mind. let me just tell you that for a good portion of this session, it has felt like we have been on a plantation when it comes to the majority of the bills that have been pushed under the pink dome, as they call it. it wasn't just this. it's just the fact that they are trying to take us back into a time that i honestly wasn't born into. i only know the stories. what's more frustrating is they don't want those stories today. they don't want people to know the real history. i will just leave it at, it feels like i'm on a plantation. if i feel that way and i'm actually sitting at the table, i can only guess how other black women feel in this state. >> jennifer, one of the things that i think that we are hearing the representative speak to is the totality of what's happening in texas as being feeling -- we are not talking just about restricting our access and agency of our body but the voting booth and this idea we can't have fair representation. now taking away our history out of history books in the classroom and having critical race theory under attack. i know your work is primarily through the lens of abortion care. but how does this piece of legislation, this ban impact the totality of the human experience in texas? 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>> it's great to see you this morning. we are both filling in this morning. i'm thrilled to share the screen with you. an excellent interview last block. you are right, i'm holding things down for jonathan today. we will be hearing from congresswoman maxine waters. i will talk to her about abortion rights to redistricting and what she's fighting to hold on to in the reconciliation bill as democrats try to lower the cost. you may have seen this. san jose apologized for decades of systemic racism against chinese americans. chinatowns are vanishing across the country in a lot of cities. we will talk about that. we are talking about the importance of mental health day. today is actually world mental health day. we will get into how to manage some of the craziness we are seeing in the world and how not to lose it. it's going to be free therapy for me. we will have -- >> everybody will -- you realize that everybody will be tuning in just for that alone after coming out of quarantine. you are brilliant. thank you. >> we are right next door. i want to give you a hug in person. >> i would love that. coming up, the untold story of segregation in classrooms across one district in texas two years after brown versus the board of education. i have to share, i'm excited for the next interview. it's with the labor and civil rights leader delores huerta. stay with us. der delores huerta stay with us ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ fine, no one leaves the table until your finished. to fine, we'll sleep here.d. ♪♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? 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>> it was a lie. it happened two years after brown versus board. schools that were forced to close black schools and so-called mexican schools and integrate, there were no african-american students in this community. but there was a mexican school and white school. they were forced to integrate. the district decided to segregate within the school by using this language argument of separating the children. my grandfather was of that generation. he had returned from world war ii as a u.s. citizen fighting as a veteran. my mother was the first of the baby boom generation in 1946 was born. as an almost 10-year-old was still in second grade. at that point is when she testified, having gone through three years of first grade. testified in english in federal court to demonstrate -- >> clearly, she could speak english. she was fluent in english. >> right. the line of questioning was really done in an intimidating way. if you look at the testimony, which i did. it's inspiring to see a 9-year-old, almost 10-year-old testify in an all white courthouse with a white judge and jury where white teachers were in the front row, testifying about this. the judge told her, if you don't tell the truth, we send people to jail for that. this intimidating tactic that they were using. i felt proud that a small child like that would be willing to do that in 1950s south texas. >> you describe what happened to your mother and these seven other plaintiffs as different levels of the first grade. it might be understood by other people as repeating the first grade. making them do first grade three times. >> exactly. the yearbooks have them as a beginner class. at that time, there was no kindergarten. you started school in first grade. they put them in the beginner class. low first grade, high first grade. as i did oral histories, they mention it that way. they read the same books, they did the same homework. what ends up happening is you discourage kids at a young age. one of the plaintiffs who i was able to interview, she mentioned she was such a good reader that they would take her to the white classroom to show the other kids how to read as a model. >> she was used as a model, but she couldn't advance with those same students? 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before the break we heard the story of lupe and several classmates who were segregated from their white peers two years after brown versus wade. they were made to repeat the first grade three times. it's a story many want to keep out of the classroom and lost to history. >> let me understand this. in seventh grade, students learn texas history. texas is a microcosm of america. are we talking about indigenous or the history under spain or the history under mexico or the history under the republic of texas or the confederate history or the recent history? choices have to be made. this is where this issue becomes a contemporary issue. >> absolutely. >> as you make choices, you edit things out. stories like this which make the town and its education department look bad are edited out. >> absolutely. i think we are struggling with that right now in texas. the governor has recently signed a bill that's going to whitewash the curriculum further. it's going to limit the types of history we can understand. it's going to punish or discourage teachers from actually tackling and struggling with their students on these complicated parts of our history. a story like this won't be able to be shared in a classroom. it's going to discourage teachers from addressing what was happening here. why do you think the school district was doing that? what was it about mexican american students that caused this local school board to pass this ordinance? >> this woman is the president of the san antonio alliance. you could do nothing but teach kids history. so it has to be curated somehow. who makes decisions about curated? i think you and other teachers are fearful that some things will be erased or whitewashed out of history, out of a sake of convenience or because of the argument we can't teach everybody everything. >> right. teaching the truth is not radical. right? it is not a radical app. what is radical is distorting the truth and punishing teachers for teaching the truth. we as educators do have a responsibility to ensure that we are teaching a truthful account of history. >> texas is now majority students of color in the public schools. we're right at the tipping point of being a majority latino state. and so everything from voter suppression to getting rid of women's reproductive rights to now whitewashing the curriculum, i think it is something that we're struggling with as a state. >> we are a majority/minority state. we have our communities that are very diverse. as educators, we should be ensuring our students have a positive experience in their environment, that their cultures are being reflected and affirmed to them, and that they are learning about the history of their peoples and other peoples throughout the country. both so they can understand it and so they can fight to change it. >> best way to explain it is in order for us to continue to struggle and solve the complex issues we have from educational and equity to housing inequity to the repercussions of covid and the impact on our community, we have to move toward the discomfort, toward the complicated issue that we're not willing to talk about. and it's from that struggle, from that complicated nature of it, i think that's where the growth happens. it's as simple as i have two daughters. i don't always like talking about gender inequity. it puts me at a place where i have to look inward as a male and the advantages i have as a male from gender equity pay to the opportunities i've had in leadership, but if i'm wanting to change that, i have to be willing to look in the mirror and understand that there are advantages built in to the structures and policies, and if we want to change it, we have to go there. >> so when you talk about making sure that their histories are affirmed, there's an argument that in affirming their history, you're deaffirming someone else's history, or you're making other kids feel badly about things that happened in the past. what do you say about that? >> if we're teaching the truth and multiple perspectives and teaching young people to be engaged and think critically, then what we're ensuring is they have the tools to navigate in this complex society. >> they're fraping it as protecting these children against bad feelings. but. education policy is not about that. it's about exposing children in a proper way so that they learn from it. >> absolutely. i think educational policy, educational history, i mean, there's a lot of drama there. i think you would engage more students to talk about the conflict, talk about the power imbalance. why were these things happening? >> i guess the trick with this conversation right now is that it's an abstraction to most people. it revolves around the structure of critical race theory. it's inaccurate because people like you -- >> there's no critical race theory courses anywhere in k-12. they're barely in undergraduate and graduate level. and i think what i hear people say, this is an anti-critical race theory bill or we need to get critical race theory out of the schools, what they're saying is i don't want to talk about race and power. i don't want to talk about racial inequity that continues to happen. it's going to be uncomfortable for me and force me to look at my privilege, at my advantage. and so i -- i think that it's a nice kind of way to set up a boogie man. >> and if you want to learn more, make sure to check out the documentary "stolen education". i'm humble to be joined by the legendary civil rights leader, a voice for decades. and her foundation has been dealing issues. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> it's early where you are. i want to talk about the package we served up. there was a teach there. what struck me is she said this idea of teaching the truth is not radical. and while the segment that preceded our conversation was talking about the lack of education for latinos in the 1960s, you have been fighting to ensure that latinos today in 2021, still have access to fair education. can you speak to what you're seeing? >> well, it is so important, because we know that education, you might say, is the product of truth for everyone. and not only that. we know especially our younger people, they have to have an education if they're going to have any kind of career in the future. the other thing, too, one thing people don't think about is that the latino population is a young population. our population is getting older and not reproducing itself. who is going to support everyone with the social security? so these young people, are the ones that are going to be providing the secure for the ages. and people don't often think about that. we know that education, you might say, is the truth that really -- it frees everyone. we've heard that phrase often that the truth will set you free. well, the truth comes with education, and that is why it is so important. not only for our young people, but also for our current population, because if people do have a historical education, and when we talk about the so-called racial critical -- the kind of education that we all need, well, this is a way that we can break down the barriers of fear and ignorance. >> and you're right. what folks don't realize when we say there is generational difference in the age of the majority of latinos versus the majority of whites, the majority of whites are roughly 58 years old compared to the majority of latinos who are 11 years old. that is what we're talking about here. when you and i spoke earlier this week, one of the things that piqued my interest was you were sharing with me that your organization, your foundation was suing the school district, because of the disproportionate disciplinary actions being taken against latino youth and against african american youth to a tune of close to 2000 children being expelled from school? >> yes. that was the case in our county in california. this was kevin mccarthy's district. there were over 2000, i think, like, 2,200 students, black and brown students expelled from a high school district in one year, in one year. and so we sued, and luckily that lawsuit has been settled. in fact, we settled it a couple weeks ago. so the high school district has got to get rid of the implicit racial bias they have in this school system. and let me give you some statistics that are scary. in the san joaquin valley of california where we produce the majority of the vegetables and fruit for the whole nation, here in this beautiful valley, there have been over 22 prisons built. and only one university. so we have that school to prison pipelines we have now and we're trying to stop. this is also a big burden on the taxpayers. when people are put in prison, it costs more money as jesse jackson used to say, it costs more money to keep somebody in jail than it does to send them to jail. i'm talking about the university yale. so when we see that our tax dollars should not be going to keep people in prison, our tax dollars need to go to give young people a good education, because our society as a whole depends on our -- our future depends on all these young people getting a quality education. >> thank you, delores. i'm so honored to have you. always speaking truth, but also recognizing that we want every single american child regardless of color and religion to have the same access to a quality education. >> go ahead. just know that in order for all of us to survive, we do have to depend on each other, and we have to definitely know that our young people are the ones that are going to not only be able to support us in the future, but also the ones that are going to be able to provide all of the legal services, educational services, the house services, everything that our society depends on. >> that is right. we are in this together. let's make sure that we have equal access for all. have a good one. that is it for me. thank you for spending your morning with me. ali will be back next week. you can catch him here on saturday and sunday from 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. eastern -- i'm already giving you more work. a special sunday edition of "the sunday show" starts right now. thank you again. all right. it's sunday, october 10th. i'm tiffany cross. this is "the sunday show". okay. this sunday i've got to ask. exactly how far are we willing to go to protect this fragile democracy while watching the opposition erode the corner stones? 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