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>> seriously. >> we're not going to take it anymore. i see a civil war coming. i do. i see a civil war coming, especially with these mandates. >> so there you have a very scary prediction. the result of donald trump's lies. and tonight the crowd will also hear from iowa republican senator chuck grassley after grassley criticized trump's words and actions on january 6th. in about an hour, the senator who just announced his bid for re-election is going to stand side by side with the man he once condemned, using that man's base to win an eighth senate term. and understand why grassley is cozying up to trump, just check the data. a new poll of iowa republicans show 9 of 10 approve of the former president. that is ten points higher than their approval of senator grassley. so to win as a republican in iowa, it appears you need trump. and to have trump, you have to be okay with helping spread his big lie. in helping do that is a new wave of gop-led states working to mimic that fort lauderdale cyber ninjas fraud it. malcolm nance, i need your reaction from a trump supporting seeking to nbc news tonight in iowa. take a listen. >> i think the republicans are about as weak as they possibly could be in congress. maybe six that are worth their shall. ted cruz, mike lee, rand paul, and two or three others. the rest are the "r" just the same as the democrats. they've been there too long. they're establishment. they don't care about the american people because they're in their elite little tower. and so we're just sick of it, you know? we're not going to take it anymore. i see a civil war coming. i do. i see civil war coming. >> malcolm, what do you think when you hear her say there is a civil war coming? >> you know, a year ago i was on bill maher's show and i predicted the united states was heading into a multiyear insurgency. within 60 days, we had the insurrection where they tried to overthrow the u.s. government and start a coup d'état. we thought they were going to be chastised. they weren't. the republican party established their solidarity around them, and from that point on, they have quintupled down. they are looking at the use of force at some point here. you know, i've seen many you insurgencies, i have trapped terrorists all over the world. what we're looking at here, first, is a political reform in which disagreements will be moved from out of the halls of power and into the streets to an armed people power movement. it will be paramilitary, the bully political, but it will be headed by donald trump and you're seeing the first steps of this. >> what does it mean that you have chuck grassley who spoke against trump's actions on january 6th now wanting trump to stump for him in iowa? >> it means that the republican party has been hijacked by trump. he's the inevitable frankenstein creation of decades of white grievance, which is going to turn into a white riot. we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore. they're going to be weaponized and we should expect violence. so chuck grassley -- the majority of republicans voted not to certify the 2020 election. they knew that biden won, but they realized that the base believes the big lie. the majority of republican voters believe the big lie. many of them now are swayed by qanon, which is a national threat by the fbi. what they're doing with the fraudit is to degrade our democracy and degrade a third of this country's belief in democracy and telling them that this country is being stolen from you, it's been taken from you. so what do you have to do? you have to fight back, literally fight back. five people died in the january 6th violent insurrection, and people said, oh, once biden wins, they'll moderate. they have not. they have doubled down, tripled down. and what we'll see is violence in the streets, a weaponized, radicalized minority that will be unleashed against democracy and we still haven't taken it seriously or called it the f-word, fascism. >> there have been lots of times when i missed sitting around a table with all of you, but none more than when raj is talking and i hear you, you, you so tell me it is what you wanted to add. >> i just finished a 120,000-word book on this subject where we're going to be in the middle of what i call titus, the trump insurgency in the united states. he's looking at changing the form of government here. you know, bill maher said it just last night. now that he's come around to my point of view, he said that they intend to overthrow government here in 2024, no election will ever be legitimate again unless they win it, and we have descended to authoritarianism. this is the embrace of fascism. i called it, you know, that he was part of an axis of autocracies, that's what trump's job was, to bring america away from liberal democracy to an unliberal democracy and then smash it. this is exactly what's happening and america is at a desperately, desperately serious moment in its history. if we lose in 2022, if the republicans take power in the house of representatives, it's all finished. >> jean, i want to bring you into this conversation about something you and i have talked about, which is the xenophobia of the the country republican party. when you hear that trump supporter in iowa talking about some of those gop members who have carried trump's water, not only on january 6th, not only on the results of 2020, but also all his lies about immigrants, still saying even they are not going far enough, what does that tell you about where that base is now? >> i mean, this is the logical outcome of white supremacy that we saw throughout the trump administration and the normalization of white extremism, the delivering of white inciting like we saw in el paso where 20 people were killed by a white terrorist echoing the rhetoric about a, quote, unquote, invasion and the, quote, unquote, existential threat that they say is posed by immigration. it's no coincidence that we are now seeing a complete normalization of the white supremacist replacement theory and this idea that completely deliberately mis-defines the word "replacement" which implies a catastrophic subtraction, a catastrophic eras sure. that's population growth, there's no such thing as replacement. but there's been this normalization because the logical outcome -- what they're trying to do is inspire people to commit acts of violence and to subjugate entire groups of people. >> there are a lot of they and them. but let's talk about the single individual who had power in this, former president donald trump. i want to turn to the final days of his presidency. a new report from the senate judiciary committee outlining nine times trump pressured the justice department to overturn the 2020 election results. malcolm, what does accountability look like to prevent a future president from behaving this way? because we basically know what happened. the real question is, how do we make sure this never happens again? >> well, you know, we are at an inflection point where i know joe biden has come in, he wanted to be the person who could try to unify the country. but where i think fundamentally some of the democratic leadership have a real problem understanding the nature of the threat that we're dealing with is the fact that they want to be inclusive, they want to be the group that will -- how do i put it -- that will, you know, govern for the entire nation. you have a very solid 30% pushing 40% who don't want to govern. they want to rule the 60% of this country that didn't vote for donald trump. and they have now gotten to the point where they are willing to arm themselves and fight for this. they believe in the lie. and by trump being the leader of this insurgency -- an insurgency, by the way, is a series of insurrections, both political and military, is what we're up against. by donald trump fostering the big lie, he understands he's building a trump regime. these people believe in the belief -- in the structure, the ideology of the trump regime. i wrote in this book that's coming out next year that there's four phases to this. first is deny, then it is attack, which is the phase they're in right now. if they take power, it will become revenge. and then after that thereby terrorist and paramilitary fear component of their insurgency. this happens in every insurgency. they overthrow the existing power structure. our problem is we're trying to cut deals with insurgents. this isn't the taliban. this is a variation of the irish republican army and irish sectarianism and their political body in the united states. this is just not viable. what is it going to take? well, it's probably going to take an act of massive violence, larger than el paso, before anyone gains attention. but when we an attorney general that doesn't believe any of this is going on. the justice department could be nipping all of this at the bud by taking aggressive action, putting people in jail for the january 6th insurrection, and showing there is a zero tolerance for any and future violence. >> raj, i'm running out of time, but i'm going to let you that the last word. >> we need the majority to flex. if we don't flex and stand up and organize and demand more from our elected leaders, the democrats are going to get us minority rule. they're playing for all or nothing and they're going to radicalize and january 6th will be a rough draft they're going to perfect for 2022 and 2024. so lets get off our asses, move, let's have the justice department crack some heads figuratively, and let's empower the grassroots movements to vote, vote, vote, because we're literally fighting for our democracy. >> very important use of figuratively. thank you all. next, the cost of care and why it is dragging down a generation of parents. i'll talk to a single mom whose kids have special needs about why support from the biden agenda is absolutely critical. later, from the classroom to a jail cell. the arrests of children in tennessee. we're covering a very disturbing trend in one county. and tomorrow, do not miss our special hour of "american voices" latinos inside the white house in honor of hispanic heritage month. i sat down with members of the white house. that is tomorrow night, 7:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. but now, to richard lui standing by with a look at the other big stories we're watching this hour. richard? >> hey, alicia. let's start with an update on the emergency landing at laguardia airport today: an unruly passenger causing security concerns. after landing, firefighters surrounded one passenger as he lay face down on the tarmac. he's now in custody for questioning. all 80 passengers and crew on the american airlines flight deplaned safely. what you're about to see might be disturbing. a hostage situation in downtown los angeles turning deadly when the perpetrator was shot. in this bystander video, a man is seen holding a woman hostage inside an apartment complex. he violently swings her across the room and then holds a gun to her head. a s.w.a.t. team eventually arrives to that same. they break into the apartment with a series of flashbangs and then open fire once they're inside. the woman survived that shootout, but the man holding her hostage was shot and killed. police say the suspect was on a marathon crime spree prior to entering the apartment. that man attempted shoot a person on the street and also try to rob a family inside a business where he shot and injured a 14-year-old boy. after that is when he took the woman that he held at gunpoint hostage in this video you see here. more "american voices" right after this break. got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? 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>> there are places where child care just doesn't exist, quality care. there are limited number of spaces and workers that are available to work in the centers. so finding a space available for two babies, finding care that was full time that allowed me to go back to work, those were extreme hurdles. during the pandemic i actually lost my children's father, so i became a single-income earner trying to cover the cost of this and it is extremely costly right now to care for children. >> thank you so much for sharing that with us, celeste. jess, the reason celeste's story is so important beyond the fact that it is a lived life experience and we value that in and of itself, is that it articulates what the need is here. we're talking about policies and very often it's easy to get lost in the policy part of this, but when we talk about the three pieces, when we talk about universal child care, when we talk about paid family leave, when we talk about the extended tax credit, all of that is to make sure that someone like celeste can do what she needs to do in this america. what happens if you start pulling those threads and you say, well, choose among them, just choose one of those three, just one of those three will be enough. why is that not good enough, jess? >> we should be able to care for people from what we call the cradle to the grave at the domestic workers. we want to be able to make sure that no matter where you are in your life, you have quality, affordable care that doesn't exploit anyone in the process, not the people who need the care, and not the people who are providing the care. if you take any of that away, what happens is not that, you know, the problem goes away. it's that the solutions become so much harder for people. and so you have a family like celeste, i couldn't say it any better than her, who needed care when there was maternity leave and challenges in the family because of folks passing away, when she had to go back to work. all those situations require a different set of solutions to be able to provide, but it's for the same person in the same family that needs her government to be with her every step of the away. >> i want you to react to the same thing, and that is that last week you had senator manchin saying keeping the human infrastructure bill as it is will move us toward, quote, an entitlement society. what does that say to you, celeste? >> let me tell you this. i'm the last person who's looking to be entitled to anything. in the middle of the pandemic, after the loss of my children's father, i reskilled and became a software developer. i landed a full-time job. i am making an income that should allow me to live the america dream. but with the cost of child care, that is just not my reality right now. that is not. and i don't want to be on any of your systems. i want to get up and go to work and use the brain in my head. >> yeah, i don't know, jess, how i could ask you to follow that up, so i'm going to actually rephrase the question, which is, i think sometimes what gets lost is we're talking about the u.s. economy. when it comes to child care specifically, we're talking about something that experts have called a failed market, the market is not working. it is not working for the domestic workers you work with. it is not working for parents and caregivers who rely on that care. it is working for literally no one. is there a way to are ephraim this and say, listen, we're not talking about entitlement, we're talking about keeping the u.s. economy up and running. >> yeah. i mean, i wish i could talk to senator manchin and tell him about the caregivers in his state who really do need the support. and i think what's really important when we talk about the care economy is we're actually talking about the modern economy, the feminist economy, the answers to where people have challenges right now, that there are two people in the home who need to work, and people are waiting later to have kids and they're living longer, so there's a need for elder and child care. that there aren't, you know, big villages of people as we used to have where folks lived close together to care for your family if you get sick and then actually parents are the ones who usually need to do that. this is how we address the economy as it is right now. provide people the relief that they need right now, and ensure that people have the ability to have a family and thrive in that environment instead of doing everything they can just to get by. and i think that's what i can get behind, all the domestic workers that i work for can get behind, and that feels like something senator manchin can get behind. i want to ask him why can't you get behind people being able to afford to contribute to this society and care for their families in a way that makes sense for both. >> what is it you think folks on capitol hill miss about the reality of what it is you are going through? >> the reality is that when a person does put they must out there and go out for employment every day, they're making the choice of whether they're going to pay for quality care for their children so that they can afford to go to work. that is the one thing that does not make sense to me. can i afford to go to work? how are we going to rebuild america and get this workplace infrastructure back we've lost with covid without quality care for children? because no parent is going to return to work and not know their children are well cared for. >> celeste carter, thank you so much for your time. jess morales, thank you. coming up, new shocking revelations out of tennessee. police putting kids behind bars for crimes that they did not exist. it's a trend as a reporter who uncovered it will explain next. later, the global phenomenon that came about through word of mouth, shredding all pre-conceived notions of what it takes to make a hit. what does that mean for hollywood? with voltaren arthritl my husband's got his moves back. an alternative to pain pills voltaren is the first full prescription strength gel for powerful arthritis pain relief... voltaren the joy of movement ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ wondering what actually goes into your multi-vitamin. at new chapter. to unveil them to the world. its innovation organic ingredients and fermentation. fermentation? 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talk to me about that charge and sort of as you described the system and the various failings of the system, where, then, the oversight should've been. >> yeah. so the charge of criminal responsibility is not an actual charge. it's a prosecutorial theory. in essence, someone can be charged with assault who is present during an assault, but they can't be charged with criminal responsibility. it's just not an actual charge. so that's kind of the first part of it is that there are people involved in this deciding the charges that did not have legal training, and they were not lawyers. so accidents like that can happen. in our story, what we did uncover was that, yes, there were systems of oversight that were not working. in other words, the head jailer, she reports every month to the county commissioners who didn't ask questions about policy. they often likened the jail to a business, sometimes joking that it was like a hotel. the tennessee department of children services licenses juvenile jails and it inspected the jail every year and not once did it flag this illegal filter system. they really just remarked on the cleanliness of the facility or if it had graffiti or not. there were multiple layers from county and state that were ineffective at catching this illegal system. >> my head is exploding. my head exploded as i read this. there's a reason your story is gaining so much traction online because, yes, it is about this specific county and this specific system being broken, but you can broaden that out to talk about a criminal justice system that over and over again penalizes communities of color. and when you boil it down to children from communities of color, that distinction becomes clearer. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, like, all 11 children in this incident were black, and they were caught up in this and they weren't even perpetrators of this fight. they were just there. it wasn't even on school grounds, yet they were -- many of them were taken at school. so this is another instance of an unfair system sucking in, you know, vulnerable kids, too often children of color. it really seems to be a definition of a school-to-prison pipeline. >> i am so grateful to you for your reporting and for your sharing it with us. thank you so much for your time. more "american voices" after this. >> thank you so much for having me. >> thank you. more "american voices" after this quick break. hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ growing up in a little red house, on the edge of a forest in norway, there were three things my family encouraged: kindness, honesty and hard work. over time, i've come to add a fourth: be curious. be curious about the world around us, and then go. go with an open heart, and you will find inspiration anew. viking. exploring the world in comfort. bipolar depression. it made me feel like i was trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place... ...and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. latuda is not for everyone. call your doctor about unusual mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. elderly dementia patients on latuda have an increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, and confusion, as these may be life threatening... ...or uncontrollable muscle movements, as these may be permanent. these are not all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor about latuda and pay as little as $0 for your first prescription. welcome to allstate. where you can pay a little less and enjoy the ride a little more. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ now, get new lower auto rates with allstate. because better protection costs a whole lot less. you're in good hands with allstate. click or call for a lower auto rate today. now to the netflix series everyone seems to be talking about, "squid game" a south korean thriller is dark, violent, and fast becoming a beloved franchise across the globe. but why? 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your sense of why this has become so popular. >> the beauty of science fiction and horror when done well captures the fears and anxieties of the moment. that's why "squid game" is a universal phenomenon in addition to being brilliantly cast, well directed, well acted, suspenseful and just keeps you on the edge of your seat. you have no idea who's going to make it. it hits you in the gut with some of these emotional episodes like episode six. i won't reveal further. it really talks to the moment where so many people in this world feel like they can't get ahead. capitalism has crushed them. to the point like where in the movie "parasite" they're living the basement apartments. still stuck below. the reason squid game is so powerful, these characters, not that much of a spoiler, once they realize the nature of these deadly games, they still come back because they're so desperate in their situation. that they can't get ahead. it talks about income inequality. it talks about the haves and the have-nots. even though it's a perverse fantasy, there's no way this could happen, in the back of your mind, this could happen. maybe there's some really wealthy people, you have to compete to the death and you'll win $38 million. people are so downtrodden right now, there's no other way out, i'll participate in the squid games. you think to yourself, if i was doing the squid games, how long would i last? 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"money heist and "lupin" which are both foreign shows, both did super well for netflix. now we have squid games, from south korea, that's don't phenomenally. i think this presents that in languages and if you don't want to read the subtitles, it's dubbed in many languages so it's likely you'll be able to understand the show no matter where you are. it's accessible and it's just showing that the appetite goes beyond our borders. it's okay to have movies that are of various origins and we should be encouraging that and be excited for that. clearly american audiences want more diverse casting. >> all of the shows i watch now are shows with subtitles and i realize it is because i cannot second screen while i am watching a show with subtitles, so i have to watch and pay attention instead of secretly being on my phone and going back to see what happens. callan, thank you for being on the show. whenever i see your name, it's a hard yes. same, waj, when you work your way back onto television via twitter. more "american voices" after the break. at the top of the hour, evan mcmullin, who's running for senate in utah, as an independent, joins eamon to discuss his plan ant unseating one of trump's biggest allies. that and more starting 8:00 p.m.% only on msnbc. . they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ this may look like a regular movie night. but if you're a kid with diabetes, it's more. it's the simple act of enjoying time with friends, knowing you understand your glucose levels. ♪♪ (vo) singing, or speaking. reason, or fun. daring, or thoughtful. sensitive, or strong. progress isn't either or progress is everything. ♪darling, i, i can't get enough of your love babe♪ ♪girl, i don't know, i don't know,♪ ♪i don't know why i can't get enough of your love babe♪ ♪oh no, babe girl, if i could only make you see♪ ♪and make you understand♪ get a dozen double crunch shrimp for $1 with any steak entrée. only at applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. clerk: hello, how can i? with any steak entrée. sore throat pain? ♪honey lemon♪ try vicks vapocool drops. in honey lemon chill. for fast-acting sore throat relief. wooo vaporize sore throat pain with vicks vapocool drops. oh! are you using liberty mutual's coverage customizer tool? so you only pay for what you need. sorry? limu, you're an animal! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ about our special, "american voices: latinos inside the white house." we honor hispanic heritage and take a look at the issues impacting community, equity, and health care and education to helping businesses recover from the pandemic. i sat down with all four hispanic members of the president's cabinet, homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, education secretary, miguel cardona, and small business administrator isabel guzman. hear what they and other top white house policy advisers told me beginning 7:00 p.m. tomorrow night. for now, it is full time for ayman. >> before you go, i got to ask a quick question because i'm so fascinated by this conversation you had. it's rare to get one cabinet secretary or a high-ranking official. you managed to get several. what surprised you the most when you were putting this special together? >> not sure if it surprised me, but what has stuck with me is the number of challenges that these administration officials are up against and the way in which a lot of issues we talk about, whether you talk about the pandemic, whether you talk about access to education, equity and healthcare, all of those big american issues, they impact the latino community in unique ways and the way in which they've been able to focus on that, super interesting. >> i can't wait for it, a fascinating conversation, i'm sure. thank you so much and have a great evening. >> thank you. you too, ayman. >> thank you. good evening, everyone. what does it take to defeat a trump loyalist in a red state? tonight, i go one-on-one with former cia officer evan mcmullan, who thinks he's got what it takes to do that in utah. what's his playbook and what can others learn from it? we're going to find out why he's

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