destined for a rendezvous with the supreme court. also, the fight between donald trump and the committee looking into the insurrection that he led is heating up. the current president has played a role in this fight. nbc news reported that the biden white house has decided not to block the release of documents related to trump, his presidency, and the insurrection. the move sets up a legal and potentially lengthy showdown between two presidents, current and former, over the issue of executive privilege. earlier today, the white house press secretary was asked about this decision. >> the president has determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not warranted for the first set of documents. this will be an ongoing process, and this is just the first set of documents. we'll evaluate questions of privilege on a case-by-case basis. >> this comes as the 1/6 committee is considering its next moves now that yesterday's deadline has passed. benny thompson, liz cheney released a statement today, threatening steve bannon with criminal contempt. noting that other witnesses are cooperating, but they say mr. bannon has indicated he will try to hide behind vague references of privilege to the former president. we will swiftly consider advancing a criminal contempt of congress for referral. bannon's attorney said he would not comply with the subpoena. there was no mention made of dan scavino in their statement. he was one of the original groups subpoenaed. politico reports he was served with his own just today. as the investigation into 1/6 continues, the government has made public even more evidence of the brutality of the assault on our capitol nine months ago. dramatic video new to us released today shows rioters viciously assaulting police officers during that attack that we all watched unfold on live television. there are also new developments on a separate congressional investigation into the former president. the house oversight committee accusing donald trump of providing misleading information about the financial state of his hotel in washington while he was in office. the committee says trump reported the hotel brought in $150 million during his same in the white house. but after reviewing documents, they say the hotel actually suffered $70 million in losses. a trump spokesperson called the assertions intentionally misleading and unequivocally false. and the economy added 194,000 jobs in the month of september. that's a problem, because it's below the dow jones estimate of half a million new jobs. earlier today, biden provided this take on the numbers. >> in just eight months since i became president in the midst of a grave crisis, the unemployment rate is below 5% at 4.8%. let me repeat that, the unemployment rate is down to 4.8%. a significant improvement, and the sign that our economy is moving forward, even in the face of the covid pandemic. >> our country also temporarily avoided an economic disaster this week when the senate voted to lift the debt limit until december. but of course in a few short months, expect a whole new standoff. today, mitch mcconnell sent joe biden a letter warning that republicans won't help raise the debt limit next time. it reads, i will not be a party to any future effort to mitigate the consequences of democratic mismanagement. your lieutenants on capitol hill now have the time they claim they lack to address the debt ceiling. so we have that to look forward to, of course. and let's bring in our leadoff guests, eugene daniels, correspondent for politico. jeremy peters of "the new york times." and cynthia oxney, welcome to you all. counselor, what do we need to know about this texas reversal on appeal and where this case may be headed? >> the case is headed to the supreme court. it's nothing but bad news for women of texas and women everywhere. i hesitate to sum it up this way, but basically, we're screwed. that's just true. the 5th circuit has reinstated this law that is an overturning of roe v. wade, most women don't know they're pregnant at that time. now it's up to the 5th circuit. people say, not to worry. it can be appealed at the supreme court. it can be, but it's the supreme court that let this law into into effect in the first place. through a shadow docket, late at night, without even mentioning roe v. wade. the supreme court has five votes to overturn it, they have a case in front of it, the mississippi dobbs case. it looks like they'll overturn it or restrict it. i see nothing but bad news. it's infuriaing to me that none of these judges, either on the 5th circuit or on the supreme court are listening to the basic principle. i also find it infuriating that the congress has had 50 years to pass a woman's right to control her own body, and they haven't done it. and we've never been important enough to them. and it's time to have a little bit of a revolution. >> all right, eugene. those are sobering words. as i don't need to explain to you, it used to be the bedrock of conservative jurisprudence as we once knew it. so, does that shed any light on any reaction from doj? >> we've already seen the doj making very clear that they're going to protect a woman's right to choose. execute me, protect their constitutional right to choose. they have said that over and over again. i think you're going to continue to see, and they've said they will sue where they need to, go where they need to, to get this done. and to do as much as they can to protect. but like was just said, this is going to the supreme court, and everything, every single indicator tells us that it looks like roe v. wade for the most part will be taken apart or go away. we'll be surprised if that is not the case, whether through mississippi dodd or this texas law. i think that is something that has been really interesting to watch. you haven't seen a lot of republicans support the texas law. they were worried that the texas law seemed a little silly. but it looks like thanks to the 5th circuit, this will go to the supreme court and stick around for some time. but the doj has made it clear, they're going to continue to do whatever they can. but how much they can actually do is what we're lacking to see at this point. >> jeremy, you covered the trump years, and as trump would say, you covered them very strongly. i thought of you today, with trump remaining on-brand, telling his former aides not to rat, in effect. and with mr. bannon remaining on-brand, telling his followers, trump will still be reinstated after the election is decertified, perhaps even before 2022. that's not a thing. but you have to admire everyone staying on-brand, jeremy. >> right. and this, brian, is exactly the ground that trump and all of his followers want 2022 and 2024 to be litigated upon. trump wants the people who are in congress after 2022 to be people who buy into his lie that the election was stolestolen. and he wants to run his 2024 campaign, he wants it to be all about the myth of this stolen election. and what i think, you know, we've all seen a lot of the more marginal figures in the republican party, matt gaetz, marjorie taylor greene, lauren boebert, go along with this. what has been more interesting to watch are the mainstream republicans who are not exactly saying they think the election was stolen. but saying with a wink and a nod that they think there's election fraud and that there ought to be something done about it. even though there's no evidence of that. there's no evidence of it on a widespread, systemic basis. but they're saying, well, the democrats sent out all of these ballots in the mail that nobody asked for, and we don't know what happened to these ballots. if i were advising people to look for the way the republican party is mainstreaming fringe attacks, that's what i would look for. they're basically saying the election is stolen without saying the election is stolen. and that will be our political reality for the next two or three years. >> cynthia, once and for all, is there any scenario under which a former president in a non-national security area can declare privilege over documents once they've left office? >> sure. he can declare it. but that doesn't mean it's enforceable. what is happening now is that biden has said, i'm going to release the documents. under the law, trump has 30 days to complain. if he doesn't do anything, the documents will be released. what is likely to happen is, on about day 29 1/2, he's going to file a lawsuit and gum up the process. because trump's whole game, it doesn't matter if he's legally correct. it only matters to him that he can slow the process down and slow walk the process. after all, that's really worked for him. and it worked for him in impeachment, by stalling and not getting witnesses. it's worked for him with his taxes. and that's what bannon is counting on, that it will work for him, with the subpoena process. no, he's not going to win the argument. but yes, he's going to try to make it to slow the process down. >> eugene, was it regarded as pro forma or a big deal that biden decided the way he did on this tranche of documents? >> i think it was unsurprising. we expect as things move on that the biden administration is not likely to exert executive privilege for the former president and for his aides. but what they continue to say is, this is by a case-by-case basis. part of that is to make sure that when it's time for the biden administration to exert executive privilege over their own things, they haven't softened what that means. but they have a vested interest in helping the january 6th committee figure out what happened that day. not just because they're the campaign that turned into a white house that donald trump and his allies say stole the white house, which they did not, they won the election. but they see it as bigger than the election, they see it as protecting democracy. and that's something you heard from jen psaki today. they're concerned privately and publicly about what january 6th meant for that day. and what is really interesting, when you talk to folks inside, they are the last line of whether or not we'll see some of these documents, and what seems to be true, executive privilege lies in the office. it's not with the man, right? you leave the office, the executive privilege stays behind. him asserting something he thinks he has, that's not true. it's by this administration had to refuse to assert privilege on behalf of donald trump, right? because it lies in the office. and i think that is something that trump wasn't expecting. he wasn't expecting, he expects he has that privilege as long as he lives as the former president. but that's not the case, and the biden administration made that very clear today. >> jeremy, take us back to republican politics. there is a term for what trump is doing to all the would be presidential candidates in his party, but we're a family broadcast and can't use said term. but we both know what it is. and it reduces all those potential candidates to the bootlicking role. for some of them, they're in their fifth year of it. talk about what this is doing to the republican party. >> so, as donald trump goes to iowa tomorrow afternoon to campaign in a rally, one of many rallies that he's been holding over the course of this past six months, he's basically daring any republican who wants to be president to challenge him. so far, they've all blinked. you have nikki haley, who gave a speech earlier this week, the theme was ostensibly the future of the republican party. she spent most of it talking as if she were a reagan republican trapped in 1984, talking about socialism and capitalism and communism. it sounded as if she was speaking from a republican party that doesn't exist anymore, and it doesn't. this is donald trump's republican party. and there's frankly no way that i see any republican who wants a political future challenging him if indeed he does run in 2024. doesn't mean he will. he's notoriously fickle, we don't know what he will do. but the fact that all of these republicans are afraid to dare challenge him, from ron desantis, nikki haley, mike pence, they're all basically running scared of him right now. and he is the leader of the party, the nomination is his to lose. and if he runs, i think that that is what we're going to be dealing with for the next four years. >> ladies and gentlemen, there you have it. we're greatly indebted to our starting line on this friday night. many thanks for starting us off. coming up, he lost the election. but as the former president with an iron-clad grip on his party, winning the battle to avoid responsibility for what happened on 1/6. two political insiders standing by. we'll talk about what to watch for. and later, fiona hill is with us tonight, and she has a warning. if trump wins again, she says, quote, democracy is done. all of it as "the 11th hour" is just getting under way on this 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evidence to support his conclusion? >> you know, i don't know exactly what rick was basing his conclusions on. but i guess there is a genuine concern about just how hard this committee is going to press the trump individuals who are brought or subpoenaed or asked to appear. you know, how seriously are they going to take this? how much effort will they put behind dragging these people into the halls of congress to sit before this committee to testify to what they know, their role in it, et cetera? and i think there's a legitimate concern about the level of pressure they're going to bring in that regard. you already had people blow it off. so the question becomes, all right, the deadline has passed. what are you going to do? and i think that's driving rick's frustration and the frustration of folks who do want this commission's work to be legitimate and to reach the results of finding out exactly what happened. >> and don, you see, you know the history of this. you see why people are suspicious. even when liz cheney promises that they'll follow up on these subpoenas, the folks watching in the cheap seats say, especially to democratic leadership, when have you done this before, put the force of law behind a subpoena? they couldn't get john bolton into the capitol if they offered him a new car. >> that's right. but at the same time, that's not house leadership's problem. that's not the democratic committee's problem. it's a problem with the integrity of the republican party, they would want their subpoenas respected. they're going to subpoena barack obama when the house comes back someday, and they're asking democrats to force the issue, to arrest folks. and that's really not something we should have to do in the interest of going through the discovery process of democracy. i was kind of offended by the gentleman from the lincoln project's tweet. i like rick wilson a lot. i respect his opinion. but i saw it as an affront to the leadership of my friend, benny thompson. i'm not totally detached from that, but when people of the congressional black caucus are made to look ineffective, there's a disingenuous position on the other side that the steve bannons of the world will not respect subpoenas. that has nothing to do with the leadership of benny thomas. michael, did you have a word? >> yeah, i appreciate that. i agree with that. so if i tell you not to show up for a congressional subpoena, and you don't show, who is that on? is that on me, is that on you, or is it on the body that requested you to appear? they have federal authority. they have u.s. marshals that they can send out. and the fact of the matter is -- >> you and i know, my mama's word is only so good if my daddy is willing to whoop me. it's not the democrats' fault that you're forcing us to play hardball. and you know this, all of us participate in the social construct to some degree. >> but if i don't, that's what law enforcement is for. >> yeah, but we're also trying to win elections, we're also trying to appeal to a middle of the road white voter. what does that look like if i drag a bunch of white guys in and do perp walks with them, dragging them out of their country clubs. it's a tough spot, and i think you hit the nail on the head and pointed out the sensitivities there. >> michael, a rebuttal? >> it's not so much a rebuttal. but my thing is, you have the power, the authority that is given to you in the constitution. they set out that they had subpoena power. well, if you have the power, that means you should use the power. and it's not a question of them not using it. the question is, will you use it? and when will you use it? to enforce it. look, bannon and others can hold out and not appear. but when the marshals show up at their doorstep, when they have to get lawyers to deal with that, that's a whole different reality. the gop expectation is you're not going to do it. you don't have what it takes to do it. that's what they're betting on. >> listen -- >> i'm being very serious. >> i want you to keep this same energy when two months from now, joe biden decides he has the constitutional authority to add to the supreme court. >> he does. if he wants to do it and use it. look, you can't even decide to do the filibuster. so i'm not worried about what you're going to do in the supreme court. >> gut check time for joe biden, and house democrats as well. you're absolutely right they have the authority. but you act as if we don't understand there are political realities. he has to protect his house majority and become re-elected himself. >> i understand. but i think that what happened on january 6th trumps, to use that term deliberately, trumps the political realities for either party. >> i think you're exactly right. but you don't have a single elected republican other than adam kinzinger who has stood up and said, let's talk about presering democracy over preserving trump's power. >> there's nothing like when morehouse and johns 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raise it alone by going through a risky reconciliation process. that was unacceptable to my caucus. and yesterday, senate republicans finally realized that their obstruction was not going to work. >> joe manchin seen there clearly unhappy with schumer's post-debt ceiling vote victory speech. he reportedly shared some choice words privately with his majority leader. here's what manchin had to say about it when asked. >> we heard you refer to this as an f-ing embarrassing speech. >> you're confusing me with my good friend jon tester. >> still with us, don calloway and michael steele. don, how am i wrong? your party is divided, ergo the president's agenda is frozen in midair. schumer needed mcconnell's permission to hold the debt ceiling vote. mcconnell is still going to charlie brown the democrats, and there's no strategy for dealing with the minority leader. how am i wrong? >> i think the first thing we have to do is acknowledge the substantial feeling of the manchin staff for positioning him to be seen and have his reaction seen in that shot. secondly, you're not wrong, but as the democrats, we're called to be eternal optimists, and believe in mcconnell even when we see -- we have to believe in the good faith of the other side and the constitutions of the senate. a lot of times when us are angry with joe biden or dick durbin or chuck schumer, it's because we get upset with having to wait on them because of their faith in the institutions of the senate. their faith in how senators are supposed to deal with each other, on the level. and we know that mcconnell and the republican party writ large does not behave with that level of integrity. so, in answer to your question, unfortunately you're not wrong. >> okay. michael, most republicans seem to be just fine with what happened on 1/6. and the august senator grassley is speaking at a trump rally in des moines, iowa, tomorrow. what have we learned? >> the more things change, the more they stay the same. i don't know why we're expecting, you know, a change in behavior at this point from gop members. they are falling all over themselves to appear with trump when they can. to reinforce his messaging when they can. and they used, to don's point, the procedures of the senate against the senate itself. mitch mcconnell is in the minority. but you would think he wasn't. and that's a reflection of his ability to use those, the tools of the senate, the very same way that donald trump used the constitution, used the integrity of the institutions that he governed over as president, against itself. and that is the new political dynamic that we find ourselves in, which is why going back to the last conversation, part of the conversation, it is important when you have the ability to use the tools to enforce the constitutional principles and ideas and to rein in rogue behavior, you should do so. and it's no secret at this point, as long as mcconnell and others know they can get away with it, they will. who is going to stop them? i've been saying it for over two years now. they have not once been held accountable for any of it. any of it. two impeachments, covid, nothing. and at some point, even when you look at the 2020 election, brian, republicans picked up 12 house seats. so, i mean, they closed the gap. it didn't widen. they weren't punished. so this behavior has no check. this is why grassley shows up in iowa. >> our friends michael and don, some heavy words they've left with us tonight. both gentlemen will receive a copy of our home game, along with our thanks for coming on and spending part of your friday night with us. greatly appreciated. we'll do it again. coming up, she spoke her mind at the former president's first impeachment hearing. but fiona hill says two years later, she's even more worried about the future of this country. a lot of that going around these days. and we'll ask her about it, when we come back. dry eye symptoms driving you crazy? inflammation might be to 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(cheering) the time for getting back together is now. find it on vrbo. our nation is being torn apart. truth is questioned. our foreign service is being undermined. u.s. support for ukraine has been politicized. the russian government's goal is to weaken our country and to neutralize a perceived u.s. threat to russian interests. we're running out of time to stop them. >> on the relentless assault on democracy today from within our own country, dr. fiona hill offers this warning in her new book. if we fail to fix our ailing society, another american president just like vladimir putin may decide to stay in power indefinitely. and the next insurrectionary force that decides to invade the u.s. capitol building might just manage to hold it, as they're better prepared. joining us now, dr. fiona hill. she testified during the first impeachment, she's currently a brookings institution senior fellow. and the author of this new book, "there is nothing for you here." dr. hill, i hope you don't mind if i start with a personal observation. when the hearings started, i said, this sounds like a beautiful jordy accent. and you're from the banks of the river thames, that country produces tough people. and this quote from your book, in the 1980s, your father used to say that parts of your hometown might as well be in a war zone. we were refugees in our own land, but there was no one there to help. perhaps we should call the united nations, he would joke. you could do that one day, fiona. of course, he was absolutely right. and i want to begin with the story that people will read in your book. the promise that america held for you, and your journey and departure from public and government life based on what you witnessed at the apex of your career. >> well, that's right, brian. you know, i was incredibly fortunate of course to be able to achieve so much in terms of my career after leaving the northeast of england. my dad had said, basically, there's nothing for me at home. it's a very difficult period in the 1980s in the northeast of england. and setting me off on an odyssey that led me to some surprising places. but what has happened in the last several years, particularly the time when i was in the trump administration, going in to work on russia, i had become extremely worried about what is happening in the united states. just listening to the last segment with michael steele and his colleague there, the situation in the united states, what everybody was seeing unfold in the first impeachment trial, and in the second impeachment trial since then, the united states is starting to look like a war zone, one being ripped apart by a civil war. starting with the mob storming the capitol on january 6th. and one of the reasons i wrote this book is because of the experience testifying at the impeachment trial, and trying to find a way to express a clear warning about the situation we find ourselves in right now. >> i don't -- i can't imagine what it is like being one of the living experts on vladimir putin, being in the oval office while donald trump is talking by phone to vladimir putin. you then watched the national embarrassment of what happened with helsinki. i've heard it said that putin didn't even have to dust off his "a"-level material to turn our president. it was normal stuff for him, it was easy for vladimir putin. what in the putin tactics, misinformation, false flags, and the like, do you see going on in our own life here? >> we've seen a multi-pronged attack from the russian security services. and the russians over time. but all they're doing is exploiting the divisions and polarization here in the united states. when the russian security services launched a pretty sophisticated but textbook influence operation in 2016 to try to interfere in the u.s. election, they were just taking advantage of information that was already out there. they created fake personas in the internet, exploiting the algorithms of facebook that we've heard so much about. and when it comes to targeting our leadership, they were targeting the front-runners, and found it easy to manipulate our body politic. in the case of president trump, putin used flattery. there's been a lot of fixation of some kind of nefarious hold putin had over the president. but it's really quite simple in my observations. i talked about in the book that putin saw that president trump was easily induced by some kind of praise. there was one occasion in which president putin clearly was hoping that president trump would call him and speak to him. he spent some time on russian television and interviews praising the performance of the stock market and the u.s. economy from the russian perspective. immediately after that, president trump said, i'd like to call putin because he said some nice things about me. the broader point is, putin has our number. he knows how to push our buttons. and he recognized perhaps more quickly than anyone else that the united states was in some political problems. and really that's where we are right now, we're tearing ourselves apart as we've been talking about over the past week or so. >> dr. hill, please take about 60 seconds and tell the people about the danger that exists to our democracy as we're having this conversation tonight. >> the real danger, we're moving forward on the basis of a lie. if we don't get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th, if we don't have an honest conversation about that. if members of congress and the republican party don't look themselves in the mirror, face up and speak the truth about what happened, we're heading down a path that many other countries have trod before, towards the degradation of our democracy. and on a path towards authoritarianism. we're in a very dangerous moment right now. >> to our viewers, the thatcher era was especially cruel to the northeast of england. so there is nothing for you here was kind of the amonition that young fiona hill was sent off with. and there's the book with the same title. dr. hill, thank you so much for spending time with us. >> thanks so much, brian. thank you for having me. coming up, it's beginning to look a lot like we're in for a crush of travel volume starting very shortly. hope you remember the volume just before the pandemic started. if you have high blood pressure, a cold is not just a cold. unlike other cold medicines, coricidin provides powerful cold relief without raising your blood pressure be there for life's best moments with coricidin. now in sugar free liquid. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ welcome to allstate. ♪ ♪ you already pay for car insurance, ♪ why not take your home along for the ride? 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