which would have automatically reauthorized that transit funding. as for infrastructure, and the budget, it has been a battle between moderate and progressive democrats. president biden and speaker pelosi forced to accept the reality, as the president put it, that there would not be support from the left wing of the party to pass infrastructure unless it is paired with the democrats' larger spending package. it's a move angering some democrats, arizona senator kyrsten sinema, one of the main authors of the infrastructure bill responded today, saying, quote, democratic leaders have made conflicting promises that could not all be kept and have at times pretended that differences of opinion within our party did not exist, even when those disagreements were repeatedly made clear directly and publicly. canceling the infrastructure vote further erodes that trust. joining me now, matthew dowd, founder of country over party and chief strategist of the bush/cheney 2004 company. he is now a democratic candidate for texas lieutenant governor. katherine lucy, white house reporter. daniel strauss, senior little correspondent and democratic strategist sochi hinojosa. i wish i could have seen your face when i was reading that quote from senator sinema. your response? >> i think that democrats understand they have to pass the infrastructure bill and the reconciliation, the larger budget bill. what's happening with progressives is they're increasingly frustrated by these two senators who have held up democrats' agenda time after time and i'm proud of pramila jayapal and other progressive members of congress who are fighting back because this is what democrats ran on. they know they need to deliver this ahead of 2022, and they are finally taking control of the party and of the agenda to finally deliver for the american people. >> katherine, i want to talk about the president's role in all this because you have politico reporting that senior democrats thought president biden went to the hill last night to support pelosi's push to unite the party behind the infrastructure plan. instead, he told them he wanted to hold off until there was a reconciliation deal. one, does that match your own reporting, and what is your sense of the role the white house is playing in all of this at this point? >> well, certainly, the president has been very engaged in the last couple of days, and in the last few weeks, he's been talking to members, reaching out. he spent a lot of time talking to those two moderate senators, manchin and sinema, as they try to move forward, and i'm told that he really wanted to go to the hill yesterday, he wanted to confer with them. one of the things he did want to talk about was the elements that are in the bill. he wanted to talk about what is there, what people will benefit from and what kind of things democrats are trying to work on together. he certainly came in with kind of two messages, really. one was that they could not do a vote on infrastructure until they get to an agreement on reconciliation but he made clear the reconciliation bill is going to have to come down. they were talking more in the low 2s and he tried to make a point that this could be a historic investment, even at that number so he was trying to push those messages. the white house is really trying to keep this moving forward. they really, as xochitl said, see this as a historic opportunity. the president stressed that yesterday. this is an opportunity for democrats to deliver on some of these big agenda items that they promised in the campaign and that they can then run on in '22. >> if i am reading between the lines based on the sound from the president outside the white house talking about people may not even know what is in the bill, that says to me that in addition to all of the maneuvering on capitol hill, they know they are still in sell mode. how is it that the white house needs to be talking about these deals at this point? >> i mean, in my view, the white house needs to play complete hardball on this. and just basically, this is what we're going to do and how we're going to do it and this is what the democratic party stands for and this is -- i'm the president of the united states. i think there's still too many democrats that are in this delusional state still that they think that they can just, you know, fumble around in the course of this and everything's fine. the republicans are incredibly disciplined. you can despise much of what they're doing, which i do, but they're incredibly disciplined about this. the democrats have to be much more disciplined about this in the course of this. if i were a democrat, especially a democrat that lives in a swing district or a swing state like arizona or like west virginia, they ought to realize that whatever hurts the president hurts them first. and because the first people to go in an election aren't the progressives and aren't people in deep blue places. it's people in purple places or people in red places in this, and so i think at some point, the president of the united states and his staff and the leaders in congress need to exercise a greater -- much greater degree of discipline and basically say, this is a way it's going to be. kind of a la lbj and this is the way it's going to be because the republicans play this way. in order for the democrats to achieve what the american public wants, which is all of this infrastructure, including the bill that funds so many other things like child care and all of the other things it does, actually, even using the term reconciliation by the democrats is a bad word because people have no understanding what it is and you talk in terms of, if we don't do this, this is what's missing in this. but the bottom line to me is the democrats -- more democrats need to get in reality of the what's the term in politics today and they need to be much more disciplined in the course of this and the president of the united states, whatever the number is, $2.4 trillion or $2.5 trillion or $2.7 trillion, needs to push it through and say, this is the way it's going to be and this is how it's going to go and this is what we're going to do as a democratic party. >> daniel, i once had a producer say they were going to yank me offset if i used the word reconciliation, cloture and the parliamentarian in one sentence so i do take matt's point there. daniel, we are all following this very closely and i think it is in large part because we all understand what the on the line here. as we go into tomorrow, early next week, what is the next move that we are watching for that is going to advance this debate? >> i mean, what we know right now is that the white house and president biden wants to make sure that this reconciliation bill does move, that the moderates are not going to stop it and push through an infrastructure bill. what we don't know is what will satisfy kyrsten sinema. is that statement that you read earlier suggests that she still has not -- she does not see any problem with her position right now. she doesn't see any fallible tension with moving president biden's agenda and insisting on a vote right now on an infrastructure bill. so, the question is, is she going to move? is there going to be some shift there among the, you know, less than a dozen, ten house democrats who have been holding up on s.a.l.t. or prescription drug pricing? that's what we need to watch for in the next week or so. >> xochitl, one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you today is because you have worked at the dnc. you know intimately the discomfort of what it looks like when there is party infighting. given your experience, what are you seeing here that maybe others are missing? what is the party's posture on all of this? >> i think, you know, especially as we go back and talk about the two senators who have been holding up a lot of the president's agenda, we have to remember that those two states are very different, and you know this, alicia, but it was latinos that delivered kyrsten sinema the victory. it was latinos who delivered arizona for joe biden. and a lot of this package that they're wanting to cut involves free pre-k, you know, free community college, clean energy jobs, paid leave for workers, all issues that impact latino families directly. and so, if i am at the dnc right now, i'd be worried. what -- and i would be asking senator sinema, what exactly are you going to cut and how is that going to impact your constituents? because they're talking about a number, but these are people's lives. this is money in people's pockets. and if they don't deliver a really strong bill ahead of 2022, i'm not sure that they're going to get the opportunity to do that in the rest of the president's term. >> xochitl, as always, thank you so much. the rest of the panel is sticking around. because next, the president of planned parenthood is here. where does the fight go now? 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"the new york times" reports, quote, the effects of the new law have been profound. texans with unwanted pregnancies have been forced to make decisions quickly, and some have opted to travel long distances for abortions. clinics and surrounding states fill up. appointments are being scheduled for later dates, making the procedures more costly. other women are having to carry their pregnancies to term. can you talk to me about planned parenthood is adjusting how it serves people in texas, given this new law. >> absolutely. look, our provider in oklahoma has seen more texans in oklahoma than oklahomans, and we know that the ripple effect is going out and new mexico, the appointments are booked out, so those patients are now having to travel to arizona and california. we've had patients go all the way to oregon and new jersey in order to seek care. and what we know is that there are many patients across texas who aren't able to get out, who aren't able to travel a thousand miles, six-hour drives one way in order to basically exercise their constitutional right. we had one patient who drove that six hours alone because she was afraid of bringing anyone along with her for fear that they would be, you know, charged with a bounty of $10,000. so, these are the real calculations that people are making on behalf of -- because of this law. planned parenthood and independent providers in texas are working to ensure that there is patient navigation along with abortion funds who are ensuring that people have resources in order to get out of texas, but not everybody has the resource of time in order to do that. and so, we have to think about the other consequences of this law, right? which is that there may be people -- there are people who are being forced into pregnancy against their will. >> i want to talk to -- i want to pick up on what you were saying there, which is when we talk about abortion, we rightfully talk about it as a healthcare issue. it also is, of course, an economic issue. can you talk about some of the realities that people in texas are going to be facing as sort of a long run of what we are seeing here. >> i mean, alicia, we're still in a pandemic. we are still in a time where people are not fully back to work. they're not able to fully secure their own economic future. and bans like this, in a crisis like the one that we are facing from a healthcare standpoint, disproportionately impact people of color, people who have low incomes, and the notion that in texas, where they already have significant bans, a 24-hour waiting period, mandated ultrasounds, and counseling, things that are completely unmedically -- medically unnecessary serve to continue to add additional barriers to what patients are experiencing, so, yes, abortion is about healthcare and it's also about economic and racial justice, and that is the conversation that our reproductive justice colleagues have been bringing to us for the last 20 years and it's so important that we center that in this conversation, this movement right now. >> alexis mcgill johnson, president of planned parenthood, thank you for being with us on what i'm sure was a very busy day. in austin, a federal judge is deciding whether to block or uphold that texas abortion law, which biden's doj argues is in open defiance of the constitution. but according to "the washington post," the federal judge hearing the case pressed lawyers for the state of texas on what he calls a very unusual design of its abortion ban. that makes no exceptions for rape or incest and empowers citizen enforcement. matthew dowd and catherine lucey are back with us to discuss the politics at play. i want to start with the response from congress and the biden administration. the biden doj fighting the texas abortion law in court. last week, the u.s. house also passed a bill protecting abortion rights. that vote, you know, largely symbolic because it is not going anywhere in the senate, so what is the strongest path forward for democrats to fight this attack on reproductive rights? >> well, certainly, yes, the biden administration is fighting -- specifically fighting this texas law in court. they're trying to push back against that. they've been very aggressive in their response to the texas law, as you just stated in terms of both the restrictions at place and the enforcement mechanisms and the administration also had come out in support of the women's health protection act, which did pass the house, but yes, it is -- seems unlikely to be able to advance in the senate. i think the thing to really think about, though, and look ahead to, as you mentioned at the top of the show, is that up next is the next supreme court session, and the fact that this mississippi law will be heard by the justices, and this is seen by a lot of people as one of the most serious threats to roe v. wade in a very long time. so, the administration is certainly watching that. they have filed a brief in that, seeking to uphold roe, so i think that is what a lot of people are looking to as kind of the next inflection point, but certainly this is a moment when, you know, a lot of advocates and abortion rights supporters really feel like this is a moment of historic threat for abortion access. >> an inflection point for sure. matthew, an nbc news poll from this summer shows the majority of americans, including women, younger americans, suburban voters, think abortion should be legal in all or most cases. a decision from the supreme court on the mississippi law banning abortions after 15 weeks likely going to come next june. how do you see all of this playing out with voters in 2022? >> well, i was at the rally today in austin, and it was 30,000-plus people there at the rally in austin. men and women. and people of all shape, color, size, faith, that are completely upset about this. i mean, let's put this -- there's health issues. there's all kind of issues. this is an assault on a constitutional right. the supreme court, 50 years ago, established this as a constitutional right for women to have control and freedom over their own body, to make a decision that they have. and i think what people are most upset about is this isn't a six-week, really, because women, most women, as you know, don't even know they're pregnant, even if they're raped or a victim of incest, until past four weeks, five weeks, six weeks, so it basically is a complete obliteration of roe vs. wade. the majority of texans support roe vs. wade, giving women a constitutional right. now, there's some debate over certain things that you would do in the last trimester and all that, but the fundamental right of women to have a right over their own body and the freedom to decide that is basic to them. i actually think republicans know this, and they know it's problematic. there has been a number of legislators, republican legislators and republican officials talking quietly, saying, maybe we went way too far, because they know there is now a reaction to this and it goes in the context of everything else they've done. this is just the latest assault on somebody's freedom or constitutional right of their own healthcare. and so, i think it's going to be a huge problem for the republicans in 2022. it's going to stay with us for a while. the people that are pushing this and the person i'm running against, dan patrick, is the main architect of this. the governor signed it but the main architect was the lieutenant governor of this who's done all of these things, but in the end, the question is, do women have a constitutional right to make the decisions over their own body? the republicans in texas say no. and the majority of texans say yes. so i think politically, it's bad news for the republicans. >> we're going to continue to follow this and this panel is sticking with me, because next, we are digging deeper. the january 6th commission issues new subpoenas and reveals what it will do if witnessed fail to comply. plus, a report from haiti taking us inside the dire situation facing the people there, especially for those the u.s. has deported back to the island. r those the u.s. has deported back to the island ♪ ♪ mom! mom! every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, delicious fage total yogurt. want your clothes to smell freshly washed all day without heavy perfumes? extraordinary with rich, try new downy light in-wash scent beads. it has long-lasting light scent, no heavy perfumes, and no dyes. finally, a light scent that lasts all day. new downy light! mission control, we are go for launch. ♪♪ t-minus two minutes and counting. ♪♪ um, she's eating the rocket. -copy that, she's eating the rocket. i assume we needed that? 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>> this email was truly bizarre. the time stamp on the email is about 1:30 p.m. so, we're talking four hours after the audio that you just played where capitol police officers were talking about being unable to move a person they'd arrested because they were essentially hemmed in by more increasingly violent, restive protesters. four hours after that audio was taken, dhs officials sent a notification over to the pentagon, saying, no major incidents of criminality at this time. basically, communicating that dhs thought everything seemed to be going just fine. at the same time that dhs sent that email, the head of the u.s. capitol police department was calling over to the pentagon, simultaneously, begging them to authorize national guard units to come to the capitol to try to reinstate some semblance of control and to try to protect the proceedings that were going on in the capitol building. we don't know exactly, and one of the big questions for the select committee, we don't know exactly how decisions in the pentagon were made that day, regarding the deployment of the national guard. we know the national guard troops were on standby as early as the day before because d.c.'s mayor asked for those troops to be ready because she thought things really could go sideways. we still don't have a clear answer that kind of passes the smell test as to why it took so long for those troops to secure the capitol building and this dhs email just increasingly shows us the extent to which d.o.d. was getting conflicting, inaccurate, messy messages regarding what was obvious to just about everybody else. >> daniel, to betsy's point, there are still so many questions all this time later. you had representative raskin warning witnesses not to test the patience of the january 6th committee. take a listen. >> we've got all of the same authority that a court would have to issue subpoenas. we're not going to play these games that we saw during the trump administration where they treated a congressional subpoena like some kind of optional thing or some kind of hide and go seek game. that's not what it is. >> you take what raskin said there, what thompson said earlier, how might this investigation play out differently from the two trump impeachments, daniel? >> i mean, we know that it's, number one, under a different administration. but also, we know how this panel is operating. they are undeterred in making sure there are republicans on this committee. they are undeterred in subpoenaing and bringing forth organizers of the rally that resulted in the mob attack on the capitol. there just hasn't been any sort of any -- any pushback that has really been effective from opponents of the january 6th committee. and they're clearly going to bring forward anyone they suspect has information that will clear up just what went wrong that led to these people invading the capitol and the lack of law enforcement there to prevent them. >> matthew, i saw something that was alarming to me. i suspect it is going to be alarming to you. and that is that support for the prosecution of capitol rioters, of these insurrectionists, has declined dramatically among republicans by more than 20% since march. that's according to pew research polls. what does that tell you, matt? >> well, to me, that's exactly why i think so many people are upset. one, obviously, hold the people that actually did the violence and all that accountable. but what's happened every day removed from january 6th where the republicans seem to not like it in the day after or two days after, but now it's like, because they're getting pressure by the crazy part of the party, which is completely occupied the party, they like it. now they're starting to sort of spin away from it and no longer condemn this in the course of this, including the former president who keeps, actually, seeming to give positive plaudits to what happened on january 6th. to me, we are not going to reach the point, and i'm hoping the committees do this, reach the point where we finally come to terms with this until we hold more people than just the people that were -- that stormed the capitol. we have to hold people accountable in dhs under donald trump. we have to hold donald trump accountable. we have to hold republicans in congress accountable. anybody that was involved with enabling this or magnifying this or not doing anything about it should be held accountable because in the end, those 400 or 300 or 500 people that they've been arrested or trying to prosecute, isn't going to solve this problem. the only way to solve this problem are people in high office that allowed this or facilitated this happening in the course of this, and this is another demonstration that the republican party in america today has become the party that no longer cares about law and order, that no longer fundamentally cares about the systems and norms of our democracy, and that poll shows that that has come further and further and further down as we leave away from january 6th, and the other thing, final thing i'll say, alicia, is that we can never forget january 6th. people should burn that date in their memory, just like they burn 9/11 in their memory, just like they burn pearl harbor, december 7th, in their memory. that is as great an attack on our democracy as we have had since the opening shots of the civil war and we must never forget that date and hold everybody accountable, including elected officials and people at the white house that didn't do their job. >> i agree with you wholeheartedly, it needs to stay in focus. betsy, i do want to ask you, you wrote about the postal service's efforts to track online extremism after january 6th. can you explain to us why usps got involved and what they discovered? >> it's a great question. i asked the postal service why they believe it's in their jurisdiction to investigate january 6th and they gave me a weird answer. they said their job is to protect people who deliver the mail and therefore that covers the events of january 6th. the unit within the postal service's law enforcement arm that did this work is literally called the internet covert operations program of the postal service. by virtue of investigating january 6th, we're learning about the very sometimes unusual ways that the u.s. federal law enforcement apparatus works. the documents from the postal service's covert ops program that i obtained and reviewed show that the postal service had concerns about the fact that posts on a fringe-y social media network called parler had been disappeared after the january 6th insurrection because the website as a whole came down. so one thing the postal service was looking at was how law enforcement officials could get access to those posts after they were deleted so they could use them to build cases and investigate what happened on january 6th, and that just highlights the extent to which there was so much chaos in the days after the 6th. there was such a wide-ranging effort by law enforcement to track what had happened, such a dramatic change in the online extremist community, for lack of a better term, such dramatic changes in that space that it was pretty much all hands on deck for federal law enforcement in terms of trying to figure out how to figure out what happened and then what to do next. >> betsy, i always appreciate when you bring us your reporting but i also like the introduction of fringe-y, because it really captures the essence of these fringe groups. matthew, daniel, betsy, thank you all so much. coming up, new stats about the workplace and how women, especially women of color, are over it. why? 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>> good to see you, alicia. you know, i interviewed so many women and each and every day they go to work and they experience the isolation. they try to make it work and at some point, after you've been in a toxic work-related situation due to racism, gender discrimination, what have you, it is like trauma every day and you can't do your best work when you're under those constraints, and so many are wanting to feel free, free from the stereotypes of the angry black woman on the feisty latina or the docile asian and i wanted to shed a light on those inequalities. >> you highlight something called the affirmation pyramid, encourages readers to pause, acknowledge, document, which is key, redistribute, and affirm. tell us more about that process and why you think it works. >> >> i think when you're in the workplace and you're experiencing inequality, sometimes you're just frozen. you're surprised your colleague has said something inappropriate in a meeting or in an email, and sometimes you're questioning, constantly, especially if you're one of few or the only one, is this racism? am i making this up? all of these types of things. and i think in the moment, we're looking for our colleagues to affirm us, but really, we can affirm ourselves and then everybody else and i think for a lot of us, we told ourselves that this is just how it is for black and brown women in the workplace and i'm saying we don't have to normalize that trauma. you don't have to push through it and make it through the workday. let's acknowledge that it happened, how it made you feel, and if you want to have a conversation about that, then do that too. and so the pyramid just helps reaffirm ourselves because oftentimes, we don't get that affirmation inside the workplace. >> absolutely not. and i appreciate what you underscore there about the mental burden of having to wonder if the problem is the problem in the office or if you are the problem, that not knowing the amount of space that can take in a person's mind. you're also very clear, though, it cannot exclusively be the work of black women and other women of color to contend with this bias. you developed something called the manager's pledge. it's a guide for managers to address and combat systemic racism. tell us more about that. what should managers be doing? how should they be thinking about this? >> yeah, i think it's really important for our managers, alicia, to create that psychological safety. oftentimes, we are fearful in the workplace. we don't know when a racial aggression is going to happen. you could be enjoying a chicken salad sandwich and then the next thing you know, a colleague touches your hair, you know, sends you a crazy email, you just never know, and i think our managers sometimes don't have the skills and the tools to be able to address those situations when they happen or after the fact, and so they pretend maybe they don't exist because it's not an issue for them. but i'm saying, let's hold managers accountable and make sure they're creating equity on their team and safety for each and every person, even if they make a misstep, that they're committing to equity each and every day so they can make the workplace better than they found it. >> because mistakes happen. the whole point is to acknowledge them, learn from them, repair. last week the black women's health imperative announced a national anti-racism initiative aimed to tackle workplace inequities to improve the health and wellness of black women. in what ways do you hope it will transform experiences for black women in the workplace? 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