closer to getting what they and the president want. as progressives held the line, keeping the bipartisan bill known as the bif tied to the larger reconciliation bill and policies that are worth spending money on like child tax credits and free community college and action on climate change. the white house made it clear whose side they are on and it turns out it's team progressives. president biden himself made the trip down pennsylvania avenue to make the hard sell. following the meeting, he made clear that the timeline for a vote was irrelevant. >> i'm telling you, we're going to get this done. it doesn't matter when. it doesn't matter whether it's in six minutes, six days or six weeks. we're going to get it done. >> there is no vote expected on the bipartisan infrastructure bill tonight but today's events are a death blow to the false narrative it was progressives blowing up the biden agenda. progressive caucus chair jie ya paul said the build back better plan might be scaled become but they're at the table and ready. >> he was very clear that we are tied together. we'll have to get -- and look, he said i support the bif entirely. if i thought i would do it now, i would. but we need to get this reconciliation bill and, you know, it's going to be tough. we're going to have to come down in our number and we'll have to do that work so we're going to get to work and see what we can get to. >> and now it's time for the media to catch up. instead of making it sound like moderate democrats are the reasonable ones, running wild with a narrative that democrats were divided and feuding, the way we think about how democrats have got to shift. this is how law maing is done. also, it's not about progressives always needing to bend moderates and it's still the pair of so-called moderate democrats in the senate who need the agenda. progressives krysten sinema complete with a cocktail reception. west virginia's joe mansion who like thirsten howl the third addressed activists from his yacht floating on the kayak. >> i agree 1,000. >> tax the rich. >> we're taxing the rich. >> we'll make the famous pay. >> he claims they're on the same page. the reality is the country is on their side. those activists and progressives in congress, if you look at the polling, they're the ones with the popular positions. a majority of american voters support the infrastructure plan and the build back better plan. both bills once progressives have been trying to pass, now it's clear progressives have it on their side, the white house on their side and now, it's time to get it done as president biden said no matter how long it takes. joining me now is don callaway, democratic strategists and founder of the national voter protection fund and author and editor of press run.run.media. one of the things that has irritated me and i suspect it sometimes irritated you is that this narrative the moderates are always reasonable ones progressives are wild eye crazy ones and need to be reigned back and put back on track. there is a few headlines with this really kind of loving axios piece called cracking the sinema code, which is the way the john mccain treatment to make her seem like this important maverick and it made a few headlines. cnn the left devised pelosi as big hopes are in limbo and the agenda on the line and you can go on and on and on. "the new york times", washington post, the narrative is always that it's the progressives are the problem. where does it come from and why does that seem to survive when the facts are the opposite, that it is literally the progressives pushing biden's agenda? >> yeah, they really are. yeah, the drama is just out of control. i mean, "the new york times" last night claimed biden had been humiliated because this artificial deadline passed. the new yorker called it a civil war. come on, very complex negotiations for a very complicated piece of legislation. one of the largest, you know, this country has ever seen. the press is really, this is what happens when you stick to a narrative, one you want drama in and a story line and ark and deadlines and misvotes and things like that but to your point, the progressive wing of the democratic party is now the main stream of the democratic party and that the press as you point out is playing catchup. it is not used to covering progressives particularly let's say women of color in the democratic party as our brokers as being the center of the party. so they're catching up and progressives have always been, you know, kind of covered as a fringe group or throwing, you know, rhetorical grenades and getting in the way but the last 24 hours have proven, they are driving this truck or whatever you want to call it and they're the one whose have to be dealt with and the press is in love with the mansions and sinemas of the world and want to portray them as super savvy and the ones holding all the cards and things like that. so just to keep it simple, the press never really treated the progressive wing in the democratic party as particularly serious and they ought to after now because this has been a very serious and very substantial negotiation on their part. >> and, you know, don, the point i think that eric made that think i think is really important, the progressives are racially and ethnicity diverse and that's the base of the party and because they are women of color, they're making arguments on behalf of communities they understand. kyrsten sinema openly negotiated with a group of conservative white senators and so you're looking at the future of the party having a fight. it's only a civil war with only two people in south carolina. >> right, right, right. >> there is two of them. your thoughts? >> joy, i think eric is spot on. forgive me for not being able to get my video together for today. >> no worries. >> we're not only talking about the base of the democratic party but the base of the country and history is important and before we get into it in the television hits but the reality is that robust public infrastructure spending has often saved this country from the brink of collapse at least twice and every 1929 the stock market collapsed and that includes broad public infrastructure spending that created a lot of what we have in place today including social security. 2009 barack obama does it again rebuilding after the collapse of 2008. the problem now is that when you're talking about broad government public infrastructure spending, we're talking about it going to a country that's trending towards brown and black and younger and lgbtq and people who have been historically excluded. that is the root of what this fight is about is do we want robust public infrastructure spending in this country for a country that everybody is going to have equal opportunity to participate in a robust democracy. so when you look at kyrsten sinema and joe mansion, i'm reminded that these quote unquote moderates are really holding on to an antiquated version of legislative austerity but really white supremacy and we're talking about will remake the resources of this country available to all or a few? the democratic -- we call them progressives but they really represent the expanding changing base in the face of this country. >> i think they should be -- right. i've been challenged. i think they should be called the majoriien wing of the democratic party and holding onto the filibuster, the peel like mansion and sinema and old vestage. to stay with you for a moment, don, adam tweeted the following. he was chief of staff to harry reid no less, senator harry reid. i've been up there on late nights if it really happens and it really does not matter if the vote happens tonight. the closest sort of backstop is next beak when you have prerecess jet fumes. isn't it the case these bills often get negotiated at the last minute, that the timelines are fake as you heard eric say? >> that is not only the theme of this week but it should be the theme of congress and it's so critical that we have avenues like yours to get the american people to understand that nancy pelosi set this deadline this week for her internal purposes perhaps we can question whether or not it was smart to publicize that. we avoided and averted the government shutdown and that's a major victory. instead of talking about a civil war, we should be lotting pelosi and biden for getting that done over republican obstruction, right? that was a deadline that mattered but i've been in d.c. long enough to see these things come down to the 11th hour literally on december 31st at 11:58 and infrastructure packages pass and the country being able to move forward. that's the real deadline. i really recent people in the media, the twitter talking about how jim clyburn and nancy pelosi don't know what they're doing. that's not true. they're not trying to tell you. >> they're not telling you. >> they don't want a false firestorm. sorry. >> here is the reality, democrats in disarray is the favorite theme of the political media. it is. democrats in disarray work. two things, number one, we don't talk enough and try to do this all the time, we made wonderful graphics. they made the graphics. this is in the bill. this is not about progressive wing, these labels. it's about what is the in bills. do you want clean drinking water or high speed internet or new spending on things like climate change? do you want your airports to be fixed? do you want paid family leave? we're negotiating things that are policy. spending a trillion dollars on the military. it's not about the dollars. also, the absence of republicans doesn't get any coverage. they don't exist here. these are highly popular ideas with 60 and 62% support and the republicans are absolutely opposed to them. why don't we talk more about that? >> well, we just saw that with the covid relief bill earlier this year. that was a bill with 80% public support. did not get one republican vote in the house and the senate. i didn't see two reports about what is the political fallout for the republican party for opposing the bill that was almost universally proven. you talk about the polling for the infrastructure bill. it's like a christmas list for most of americans and there is just an assumption and we just saw it with the debt ceiling. there is an absolute media assumption republicans will vote no on everything. forget the raising the debt ceiling has always been bipartisan. forget that infrastructure bills have always been bipartisan. they're coming in with this radical agenda and they are just disappeared. they just don't have a role to play in any of this. you know, the press hits the democrats, why can't you pass this bill? it's so popular. why can't you pass this bill? because they're doing it with one hand tied behind their back. this is incredibly complicated piece of legislation and you have the entire republican party essentially saying no. so i read long reports about the update of the negotiations, the word republican does not appear in the infrastructure cover. they love that. >> yeah. they're getting away with a kind of extremism that is shocking that you can get away with it in a country where we have so much access to information. the level of extremism on the republican party is shocking and should be shocking and i think we should report it as shocking and the democrats, it's disarray with two people. don callaway and eric, have a great weekend, y'all. thank you very much. next on "the reidout" democrats mansion and sinema dilemma. who is interested in those two representing and how should democratic leaders deal wither reid and harrison on how everything playing out right now in washington will impact the democrats in the midterms. plus. >> justice has to happen in this case because the evidence is right there. >> i talked to one of my abls -- absolute favorites jennifer lewis about her involvement in a documentary about 17-year-old kendrick johnson and disturbing unanalyzed questions about his death. plus, tonight's absolute worst, predonald trump could you ever have imagined school board members across the country asking for federal protection? 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downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh way longer than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters. president biden's agenda is currently being held up by two so-called moderate the beholden to corporate donors than conspit -- constituents. mansion made $500,000 by a coal company owned by his son and received significant campaign contributions by exxonmobil that called him the king maker in the senate. not surprising he doesn't support the climate provisions in the build back better agenda but then there is krysten sinema and we never know where she stands this is her incredibly disrespectful answer to reporters and her own constituents in arizona. >> progressives that are frustrated they don't know where you are. >> i'm in the senate right here. >> the progressives? there are progressives within the senate that are frustrated they don't know where you are, either. >> i'm like literally right here at the elevator. >> as we've said before on this show, sinema used to be somewhat of a progressive. in 2010 she said congress should use reconciliation. the following year she tweeted that asking big corporations of the rich to pay their fair share is common sense not class war fair. if that's going too far back in time, here he is in 2018 campaigning on lowering prescription drug prices. >> growing up, our family struggled to make ends meet and we didn't have health insurance. no child should go without a doctor and no family should be bank resulted by medical bills with access to the lowest prescriptions. i'm krysten sinema, i sponsor this message because every american deserves quality, affordable health care. >> now, cinema is against that provision in the bill as well as the corporate tax increase. might have something to do with hundreds of thousands of dollars groups have donated to her this year. plus salon reports her former top aide is a lobbiest for jp morgan chase and her internship owned by a private equity donor where she hob knobbed with other donors. how do they deal with mansion and cinema and get biden's agenda passed? joining me is the greatest expert on the subject. former senate majority leader harry reid of nevada. great to talk with you. i'll throw it out there. if you're in the position of having to deal with somebody, let's start with mansion who you are accustomed to. how do you deal with him? >> the state of the union needs more help than west virginia and in my opinion, joe mansion is hurting his own state. a state of west virginia would benefit so greatly with infrastructure. as far as state and union anymore so when senator sinema, the thing with her is arizona is a state that is really trying to live up to the establishment with john mccain and she needs to understand that people in arizona still look up to the legacy of john mccain who is a really a -- i don't want to say herotic but he was on occasion. that's what they need in arizona a little pot stirring. >> so do you believe that there is some -- because the old fashioned way of doing politics is horse trade with these two. it doesn't seem like there is anything you can trade sinema for because she's getting so much money from donors. she's flown home to arizona for a doctors appointment and fundraiser. it doesn't seem like anything but donors influence her. what other carrots and sticks are there? >> a carrot and stick is the stick is the voters. the voters aren't going to put up with this. i think that the press has done a good job of standing forth what she's been doing is really negative not only for the country but the state of arizona. >> and with mansion, he also has a lot of big donors but an oil man. he founded an oil company his son runs in a blind trust but it's hard to believe, you know, if he's saying he's not influenced by big oil because you're right, west virginia is a poor state and depending on oil companies, companies like the koch brothers have influence. do we need to root out the influence and get it out of politics all together, something like in the voting reform bill that died? >> without any question the campaign financing is the root of all evidence in the congress. it's very, very bad. we start with the nuts of being very civil majority to get rid of the filibuster is nothing that has barack obama sent at john lewis' funeral is part of the leftovers from the days of the slave holders. you got to get rid of it. it's very, very bad. >> absolutely. i'm going to ask you to hold on senator reid because i want to bring in congresswoman jie ya paul. we were hitting for her to come through. i want to bring you into this discussion congresswoman. can you give us updates? where do we stand as of now? >> joy, the really wonderful thing is the president also affirmed the need to do both bills together and made it clear that where we are is that we will not be able to do the infrastructure bill without the reconciliation bill and made it clear we have to get all 50 senators on board and keep all house members on board and that means that we may have to think about what are the absolute priorities that we have and then go back after we get those priorities to see where that leaves us but i think we feel very strong and proud of the progressive caucus which really held together because we are not going to leave anybody behind. we're not going to leave behind families that need child care and paid leave. we're not going to leave behind taking real action on climate change. we're not going to leave behind housing for the unhoused across the country and we're not going to leave behind health care and medicare expansion and we're not going to leave behind immigrants who have held this country up through this terrible pandemic and for so long. so now we're working on what is the agreement that gets two senators on board and that gets all of us on board and hopefully that will happen soon and then we'll be happy to vote on both bills once that passes the senate once we get to the end. >> and just to make it very clear, what you're saying is that you want to see not just a frame work but an actual reconciliation bill pass the senate before the progressive caucus is willing to vote on what's called the bif, the bipartisan infrastructure bill. is that act accurate? >> joy, i want to make sure whatever we agree on will pass the senate. senator reid knows they have rules where they can have a vote-a-rama and bring any amendment to the floor. not like the house. we really need to have negotiations and figure out what gives us that ironclad commitment if it's not a vote, i just want to hear what it is because i am worried that there will be, you know, misunderstandings or that something will change or that things will get delayed because the other way to kill a bill is to continue to delay it because if it gets delayed another three months and we get into next year, all of a sudden, the politics may not align for this. we need to get it done right now. and so that's what we're working on. >> well, congresswoman, you know, you've already heard and seen joe mansion actually does talk to the media unlike kyrsten sinema and he said pretty openly he would like to push the -- just the negotiations, not even writing a bill on the reconciliation side into next year, which of course as you said is an election year which would make it very difficult to pass anything. he's made it clear he would like to basically stall or for stall talking about the reconciliation bill. that doesn't sound movable. >> i will just say i think both senators have been having negotiations and they have been projective with the white house and my hope is that we can all come together and pass the president's agenda and that was the president's message to us today that he wants both of these bills to pass and that one will not pass without the other and that we both, you know, all we need to come together and figure out how to get there. senators mansion and cinema are important so are the 60 or so members of the caucus that said we're not going to vote for this infrastructure bill unless we can pass the reconciliation bill because we're not leaving anyone behind and i'm just so proud of our caucus for fighting for working people, for fighting for poor people, for fighting for women across this country to be able to see their lives transformed. that is what the build back better bill will do and look, there is good stuff in the insfa -- infrastructure bill, too. i want roads and bridges but we need to get them together and i promise we'll get this done and get them to the president's desk and have not only roads, joy, but we will have families who can actually use those roads as they have child care and all of these other things we're fighting for. >> congresswoman, thank you for scrambling quickly to get on the show. appreciate you being here tonight. thank you so much. i want to bring back in senator harry reid. you heard senator jayapal, can this process work if they get an agreement that isn't an actual vote on a bill, right? if it's just an agreement in the united states senate that says we will craft a bill with x, y and z in it that sinema and mansion say they're okay with and agree and shake hands and say that's fine. in your mind, is that binding enough to make it possible for progressives in the house to vote for the bipartisan bill? >> in my opinion, i think they better be careful. the senate is a place to get things done. the senate is set up to make sure that things move very slowly. i would be very careful about that. i believe that infrastructure bill is so important you're always hearing terms about reconciliation, all these other terms, we're talking about infrastructure, that's climate change. a lot of it. something about bridges, roads, dams, rivers, making sure the american people have progress right now. it's a lot of talk. i think that we need something specific, not something that we'll do some other time. >> you heard it here first, senator harry reid that would know. thank you for being here. appreciate your expertise. thank you very much. you heard it. pass a real thing before you agree to give mansion and cinema their infrastructure bill. up next, democrats are running out of time to pass the agenda they can campaign on until the midterms. we'll go to dnc chair jaime harrison and black and brown americans running for office and that's after this break. americans running for office and that's after this break. 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thanks for being here. how are you processing these negotiations? is the reconciliation bill in your view or the bif bill, are they must passes for the midterm strategy to work in your view? the democrats -- >> well, joy, thank you for having me. listen, the message for democrats going into 2022 is that we deliver. democrats deliver. republicans obstruct. republicans don't do anything else. but we deliver. we were able to do that with the american rescue plan but these two bills are essential for our candidates to run on next year. so we got to continue to deliver for the american people and i can tell you, joy, you know, the bait between 1.5 and 3.5, that say belt weight to beat. in the barbershops and beauty shops, all they care about is what are you doing for me and my family and my community? so that is the thing that i am telling my members, you got to focus on. just get something done so that we can go to the american people and say when we ran the last time, we promised you this. now when we're in power, we were able to deliver this. now we need bigger majorities so we can do even more. >> yeah, i mean, part of the issue, too, is that there were big things that didn't get done. voting rights didn't get done. the voting rights act is on its death bed and police reform didn't get done. so does that make it more urgent because those two things weren't done and if voting rights didn't get done, aren't you also going to have a hard time getting voters even into the polls because the obstruction against them? >> well, listen, we definitely have to deal with the situation at the polls but, you know what? we always do and we will continue to do that. what voters want to see is that we're going to fight. that we're going to put everything on the line and do everything that we possibly can to fight. i mean, the reality is we have a 50/50 senate and everybody has to be on good behavior and the same page to get the vice president to break the tide. well, you can't think that you can really deliver when you step back and look at what joe biden is trying to do, we haven't done legislation this large since probably after lbj but fdr is probably the best comparison. fdr had huge majorities in the house and senate. he got a three-seat majority in the house and we got the vice president to break the tie in the senate but we're still trying to do something on that magnitude. we need more margins and so we got to get more -- you know, we got to get more bodies in the house and senate to do even more for the american people. >> the problem is the more bodies argument, people say i gave you more bodies. this is one of my favorite topics. there are so many southern races hot this year and so many african-americans running. crystal matthews in south carolina. you've got chris jones in arkansas. mandela barns outside south pennsylvania, wisconsin, malcolm in pennsylvania. you got even somebody in iowa and charles booker in kentucky. why do you think there is such a huge crop of black candidates in this particular cycle? >> well, you know, joy, we've been building on cycle by cycle. you know, about four years ago, we had, you know, stacey abrams in georgia. we had gubernatorial candidate in florida. when you think about it, they really broke -- they started to breakthrough on the ceiling. stacy, we are really standing on stacy's shoulders in terms of statewide. you remember you were the first reporter that actually had i think all of five of the black candidates running for the united states senate on your show last cycle and what we're going to see is a continuing, you know, black candidates bring a type of energy to democratic politics that you don't see or we haven't seen in a long time. they're able to galvanize the body politic and get people excited and so i think you're going to see more and more black candidates come up. right now we got six african-american lieutenant governors, you know, one of them, mandela barns is running for the united states senate and i think you'll continue to see the growth of african-americans running on the statewide basis and winning. >> and not to say anything of stacey abrams herself whose gubernatorial race, presumptive will be the hottest race in the country probably. >> the hottest race. >> 100%. 100%. don callaway earlier made a point that this fight that we're having in washington in a lot of ways is about the diverse part of america finally being able to benefit from government in a big and serious way. do you think that's part of why the fight is so hard? >> well, i do. i mean, you think about the democratic party. i mean, we're a diverse party and diversity is our greatest strength. it's a great strength as a nation but also our party but along with diversity comes some challenges. that means you sometimes come from different communities. you come from different backgrounds. you think about and prioritize things differently. so that means it will take a little more to get to consensus in order to get it but at the end of the day when you do, it's a stronger product because of it. >> amen. more like what the country is. jaime harrison, great to talk you. my conversation with actress and activists jennifer lewis on the documentary she produced "finding kendrick johnson" that investigates the suspicious death of a black teenager in georgia. stay with us. black teegenar in georgia. stay with us tax-smart investing, what's new? -well, audrey's expecting... -twins! grandparents! we want to put money aside for them, so...change in plans. alright, let's see what we can adjust. ♪♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. okay. mom, are you painting again? 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>> well, that it was just a coverup. mitch the whistle blower sent from d.c. to investigate this case acquired enough evidence that a judge gave permission for an all out raid into these people's home, the bell's home. now that's a lot of evidence for a judge to give permission to storm someone's house. what happened? what happened after that? they pushed it all under the rug. this is one of the biggest tragedies i've ever heard that they took that baby's organs, murdered him, and then took his organs. they exhumed the body and found that the child had been stuffed with newspaper. this family has to live with that, and i'm here to tell you right now i am going to fight for justice for kendrick johnson's family until that case is open. we are calling on biden, the congress, the senate to open this case now that we have this evidence. >> let me play one more clip, i want people to hear the parents of kendrick. his nickname, kj, here are his parents as part of the documentary. >> how would you feel if your son went to school and never came home? never returned home. and then the next day you found out he was rolled up in a gym mat. >> my thing is to let people know that they have a voice. they don't have to be silent. they don't have to be scared of fighting. they can speak out. >> they killed the wrong child this time. we ain't going nowhere. nowhere. my baby life matter. >> this, this case, you know, is one of the most disturbing i have to say that i have ever heard about. the sense that there's a cover-up, the sense that it's a bigger case than we were led to believe in the beginning. you said that you called on the justice department to intervene. is it your expectation that with you, and your prominance? >> it's going to happen. it's going to happen. because i'm going to tell you right now, joy, i will fight and i will use my platform for this case. i had the family in my home. gave them a southern dinner. valdosta, georgia, this is where the murder occurred. this is where mary turner hung from a bridge, they named in valdosta, the hanging bridge. hung her and cut her baby out of her stomach. it's time for us to stop turning away from all of this. justice has to happen in this case. because the evidence is right there. imagine being the mother of this child. 17 years old, knowing somebody probably rich and white are walking around with his organs. it's not right. >> it's not right. and it would be nice if we had an anti-lynching law in the country, that would be nice too. it feels like that is what we are talking about here. jenifer lewis, thank you for using your platform for doing something important. thank you, thank you, thank you for being here. >> thank you, joy, it's my pleasure and i'm a big fan. >> i'm a big fan of yours. >> you keep telling the truth, baby, i admire you for it. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> she is amazing. finding kendrick johnson, a documentary by jason pollack and narrorated by the great jenifer lewis. one final note on this story. jenifer lewis mentioned a raid on the bell's home. they were never charged in the case and it was concluded they were in different areas of the school when kendrick entered the gym. tonight on "the reid out," a plea for help to help run of the mill school board meetings. because that's definitely normal. we will be right back. 72,808... dollars. yep... everything hurts. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ (can crack) ♪ nothing on this planet compares to it ♪ ♪ don't you agree? 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