expanded medicaid, and measures to combat climate change which house speaker nancy pelosi says is just not ready for a vote yet even though she had previously promised the two deals would be linked. that test standoff at this hour. speaker pelosi saying she's still shooting for a vote on infrastructure sometime today even though there is a little bit of doubt it has votes to pass. let me remind everybody how wildly popular both measures are among all voters. in a recent pew poll, supporters have a 31-point advantage over opponents. a poll from -- show nearly two thirds of likely voters support the legislation. over at fox news their numbers show 62% of all voters support this infrastructure bill. also the vast majority of americans support the so-called social spending bill that progressives rallied around as well. the "new york times" writes this about it, quote, the president and top democrats appeared as far as ever from an agreement but there is a darker reality looming that the picture of democratic dysfunction to threaten the foundations of democracy itself. if it costs the democrats, the majority of in congress and clears the way for the mushrooming war on democracy. the high stakes standout for president biden's agenda is where we start. yamiche alcindor is here, also here -- highland, nbc news and msnbc national affairs analyst, host and executive proulser of show stooim's "the circus" and congress man jerry conlin is here from virginia a member of the house oversight committee. congressman, what we miss maybe from the house is that there is a lot of unity of purpose if not on the details. tell me if you think that's right. tell me what else we are missing from our perch. >> yeah, i think that's right. i think that the irony of the situation in which we find ourselves is we are in radical agreement about the moving parts in both bills. and i also think, frankly, we find ourselves, whether we fully understand it or not in a situation of mutually assured destruction, if you kill my bill, i'll kill yours. that's the kind of situation we are in. it ought to be possible, given those dynamics, to work something out. working it out in public is always messy. and usually unpopular. but that's the way the legislative process works. >> tell me what's happening there. a former u.s. senator says that people underestimate speaker pelosi president and former senator biden and chuck schumer at their own peril. at the end of the day they will get it done, it's just what you said, messy from the outside. do you agree with that? >> i do. a lot of people have sort of really put their feet in concrete. and we may need some time to do a little chrisseling. but at the end of the day i think we have to understand that if we don't hang together, we are most certainly going to hang separately. >> that's the political reality, right? republicans have to see the same polls. they are on fox news, for god's sake. the substance of both bills is wildly popular. >> yeah. >> we are not talking about 51%, 6 we are talking 62, 64, 67% of all americans support all the stuff in all these bills. i wonder how heavy it weighs on your mind that failure of -- anything that could be cast as a fillure is so politically damaging to the democratic party at a moment when they control the house, the senate, and the white house? >> let's start with the sort of more noble look at what's at stake. we are talking about transformational investments that will positively move this country forward and keep it competitive with countries like china. and that benefits our children and their children as we move into the future. so we need to keep that in mind. and the public gets that. but if that doesn't motivate you, how about self preservation? this will damage, potentially, president biden's presidency. and it will certainly make it a lot harder for democrats going into the mid terms to preserve our majorities in the house and senate. >> congressman, can you just talk about what's happened in the last hour. this vote -- you are talking about the real world consequences of legislation. world world consequences of shutting down the government in the middle of a pandemic, shutting down -- i know the white house had plans to keep the agencies responsibility for pandemic response functioning. but still, a catastrophic picture of america to the rest of the world had we shut down the government in the middle of a moment when we are still struggling with the coronavirus pandemic. talk about the significance the vote that will avert that. >> so the good news, nicole, is i just came were the floor and we voted to keep the government open. so we are not going to shut down the government. that's for sure. and that bill will be sent to the president for his signature within the hour. the debt ceiling is a different matter. we are going to have to work that through. i happen to be somebody who believes we ought to abolish the necessity for legislation to lift the debt ceiling. the united states can never be in question in terms of making good on its obligations. the threat to world markets, to bend markets, the threat to people's incomes and welfare is incalculable and would be catastrophic. so we have to stop that we have to end that. i hope we can find a way we can do that very quickly. and then we need to get on with the business of these two i think transformative pieces of legislation and pass them. >> congressman, stay with us. i want to bringia meesh and john into the conversation. yamiche, it is a mixed bag for the white house, good news, the first vote, in the last hour, to avoid a shutdown. the challenge, you described as unity of purpose. we will go with that. unit of purpose. this opportunity to be transformational particularly with the possibility of the prepared of losing majorities. but the twin peril, the other side of that coin being the danger of this dysfunction looking like democrats when they have the football don't know what to do with it. >> that's right, nicole. and it's a challenging day for the white house when the best that you can say is, well at least the government isn't going to shut down. right? >> fair. >> that is where we arrived today. it's because it really underscores the fact that president biden has so many challenges on his plate. forget the fact that we are in the middle of a pandemic and that democracy across the country is being threatened by all sorts of bills and gop-led efforts to take away the right to vote from so many people. he's having to deal right now with his own party not being able to get on the same page to pass transformational change for people who need it. before we have been calling these bills the bipartisan bills and the -- before that they were the infrastructure bill with the roads and brimming asks then the human infrastructure bill, that being climate change, helping children with lead, water, bringing people broadband in the middle of a pandemic when so many people are relying on the internet. this is a monumental challenge for the president. this is a really critical point in his presidency. he ran on the idea that he could get things done. that is being put to the test today in a way it has not been had in the past. one thing i can say, in talking to democrats, they say if we want to go out in 2022 -- they were talking about democrats, if democrats want to go out in 2022 and twur and win more seats and get a bigger majority in the house and senate they have to be able to say they can deliver. today is one of thos if they don't deliver there is going to be really big issues. talking to white house officials they remind me they are not betting against house speaker nancy pelosi. they remind me these are the same cast and characters who pulled off obamacare, the transformational change when it comes to health care. it was tenuous, it was ugly, it was messy, but they got it through. so it is still early in the day, they tell me. but the white house here is clearly scrambling with the president trying to lean on the party to bring them together. but it does not look good for the white house rate now in terms of getting this done. what that means for president biden's legacy and his agenda is the biggest question of this week. >> john highland, let me put three things out there. i will let you take them in any direction you want want and weigh in. this is speaker pelosi working the phones at the baseball game last night. this is iconic of pelosi with her hands on her hips in the roosevelt room telling donald trump all roads lead to russia. there she is. senators cinema and manchin, some of the moderates view them as putting the brakes on spending. some of the progressives view hem as obstacles to the transformational change they feel they have a once in a lifetime opportunity to usher in to the american public. particular me through those three and the roles they play today. >> shurmt first of all, hi, nicole, how are you doing. >> hi. >> it is quite a week down here. quite a week down here in washington, d.c. it reminds me of -- i am down here for the weekend. it reminds me of some of the other crazy weeks i have spent in dc which he things felt big and momentous. i want to comment on what yamiche said. it is a big deal, a big deal for joe biden's -- the whole presidency is on the line. you could argue the fate of the democratic party in the mid terms, there what happens in 2004 therefore the fate of our democracy as you and i agree. the stakes are large but let's be clear. today is not the end of the road. if this bill does not pass, the hard infrastructure bill doesn't pass -- i have asked representatives today if pelosi brings to it the floor and it fails or decides not to bring to it the floor, the fight goes on. it gets more complicated, the longer it goes, the longer they get away from the win they had on the senate on the hard infrastructure bill, all of it get harder. this is not the end of the road, it just makes it more treacherous and harder if it is not passed tonight. i think there are some people -- the reason nancy pelosi this week became so important, she made a promise to moderate democrats in the house that they would have a vote on the hard infrastructure bill this week. that's the only reason iters ma. an arbitrary deadline due to the deal she made. so it is possible that what will be demonstrated if that bill does not pass tonight f that bill either falls or doesn't get put forward is that pelosi and the white house will be making a very large, very public point to the democratic caucus that it needs to come together, and that what the cost of feelure will be. it may end up being an object lesson that they will all learn from if this thing doesn't happen today. that may in the long history of this turn out to be sal you terry and i would say on the questions of -- there has never been this complicated before. even the aca was not complicated. nancy pelosi is dealing with something i think that's harder than everything she has ever done. i have always said you would go broke betting against nancy pelosi, so i am not. but right now i would say on the house side among all democrats, and on the senate side among everybody not named manchin and cinema, everyone is pissed at manchin and cinema. everyone. i was talking to a diplomatic senator just a couple of minutes. he was trying to be diplomatic. but the idea that these two senators have not come out this week and said what they want, why they want it, what dollar value they will accept, when everyone is waiting to know what can pass the senate is bad faith negotiating. it has angered everybody who are saying, guys, we are here, you have got to come out. show us your cards. stop playing hide the ball. i would say those two are not the most popular people in the class right now. manchin is clearer because we saw the news break today. $1.5 trillion at least in the summer was her new. but kyrsten sinema, we still don't know where her number is, where she's at. if you can't crack her code you are not going to get any of this done. >> congressman you were nodding at various points. i would like to get your views of what onis laying out on the grounds. i know some of his weeks in washington are spent in the offices was member. yamiche, first to you, then i will bring the congressman back in. >> i think what john was just saying underscore what is i am hearing from democrats which is this real sort of trying to temper expectations. i talked to a leader in the democratic party who told me today, well, if this vote doesn't happen it is not the ends of the world for democrats. we can still go through this. what would be catastrophic is if in the long term we don't get these two bills passed. i think that's what the white house messaging would be if it doesn't go through. that being said, white house officials also understand and have said this is a precarious and important time for the president. he understands what's at stake. it's why he postponed his trip to chicago yesterday, why he's behind closed doors today making phone calls, where the white house is putting so much energy behind trying to get this democratic party together. the other thing that's important i think is this is a president who has tried to underscore that he is going to deliver on his promises. the big promise that he made to the american people was that he could broker deals and use all of his years of experience as an elder statesman, as someone who has been in government for so long to get this through. that's what he is trying to do today at the white house. i think in some ways we have to underscore the idea that while of course the negotiations might go on past today today is a very, very important day. it is a day that the white house recognizes as the day the democrats put on the calendar as a day to get thing done. >> congressman, i saw you nodding at some of john's points, mostly that there may be an artificial do or die aspect to how we talk about today. to yamiche's point it is far superior to get it done today but we all live to fight today. >> look, deadlines are artificial by nature. the dead lin we are talking about today is one we set for ourselves. if we don't meet it, we don't meet it. anyone who has worked in capitol hill and i have worked here off and on for 40 years, has seen scores of deadlines that weren't met. that doesn't mean the legislation dies. it doesn't mean that the whole effort is a failure. so we need to take a deep breath. this is part of the process. it will be a disappointment, but it's hardly terminal. and i think we need to step back in reporting about this and be a little bit less hyperbolic and breathless. you know, democrats are fractious by itch in a. we are a big tent party. we represent lots of different points of view and values, come from lots of different kinds of districts. we need to pull together. let me underscore why i have confidence we will. up to now, with a slimmest of slim majorities we have shown unbelievable discipline and passed our legislative agenda. don't cut us out while we are also not counting out nancy pelosi and her leadership. >> let me push back respectfully as the only person among all of us who spent time in the party formerly known as the gop. you have a party that doesn't act in good faith, that is not there to govern, that doesn't need a full set of facts to smear you with. i wonder if you are concerned about a kernel of what happens today whether you succeed or fail being extorted or exploited by your political opposition and really used as a cudgel against the party? >> no question about that. and frankly, the media narrative will be negative across the board. but won wonders what will happen if within a few weeks we pass both bills if will there be headlines about democrats have glorious victory and deserve re-election? >> fair point. either way, they will either say you spend like drunken sailors. fair point. john, the congressman makes a good point. a party that acts in bad faith isn't going to get credit if they get something done, they will just say you are spending to much money. >> of course. i will to say two things that sound contradictory. the congressman points out i can remember when the aca went through. i have seen these things, deadlines do get blown all the time. there is not a big piece of legislation i have ever seen move on capitol hill that has not blown deadlines. a senator just today said to me the civil rights act was debated in the senate for three months in 1964. okay? so just having some historical perspective on this, it's still even early in the fall. and, is he, again -- but i agree with yamiche in this way. joe biden has had a horrible two months? yeah. >> and one of the things we also understand about how politics works is that good gets better and bad gets worse. i think hayley barbour said that famously. so a win this week -- this is the argument the white house is making, and nancy pelosi is making to progressives, saying guys, the president needs a win right now. the president has had -- since afghanistan, has had two bad months. his approval rating is down in the low 40s right now. give this guy a victory. he already had the half victory of getting this thing on a bipartisan basis, 69 votes on the hard infrastructure bill in the senate. let's bank this win, give him a win when he needs that. and then success will breed success in negotiating the reconciliation package going forward. my experience in washington says it is that true that good gets better and bad gets worse. a bad day today, the congressman is right, the media will say this is the end of the world. it will make it harder to get things done going forward. and haley barbour also said nothing is ever as good or as bad as it looks. that's the historical view. don't think things are really in disaster. there is still more time. good gets better and bad gets worse. and i guarantee if i asked president biden whether he would like to get this done tonight or wait. he would like to get it done tonight. >> i think what john is articulating is sort of this undeniable law of political momentum. and it is true that this president could use a head of steam to both flush out not just the summer but the early part of the week. you look at where the energy is. and it is around criticizing him. i wonder how personal the pleas are from this president and this white house to get done a bill that has 64% approval from the entire -- that's not a number among democrats or independents. 64% of all americans. i believe it is well over 50 wrong all republicans. is it a sort of come on, man, personal plea? tell me what the pitch is from the president to get this done today? >> when i talk to white house officials, they say that the pitch from the president is really twofold. the first is remind, him he wrote these bills. his staff and these are his ideas and these two bills are the product of his vision of what he wanted his legacy to be. and he's making the pitch, this is how we got here, how we won the senate and the house and the presidency by telling the american people we were going to have systemic change. the second thing is saying i was once a senator, i remember being called up by the white house. but we need to do this for the people. there is the zoomed out idea of the greatness it could be for the democratic party and the personal idea of we need to get this done. the thing i am also hearing, the white house staffers, they are sort the enforcers, the ron complains, the brian deeses, they are saying look we need to figure this out, we understand in some way what is your requests are but we need to make sure the president has this win. quickly, let's run down all the different things that happened to this president that are in some ways the cloud hanging over this president. afghanistan, covid, the haitian migrant crisis, the french at one point pulling their ambassador because they were mad over his defense deal with the uk and australia. democratic in-fighting. there were so many things that happened in the last weeks and months that president joe biden definitely wants this win. he definitely can almost taste victory here. i should say again when i talked to the democratic officials they are very much saying it will be really really bad if two months from now we are saying that democrats couldn't get it together. so they are in some ways to still couch this as being not cat cattic for the president but it is really the president himself who is on the phone behind closed doors. let's remember, we have not seen president biden today. right? we have not seen him talking to reporters or trying to explain what's going on. it's because he's on the phone talking to law makers. >> he is busy. congressman, thank you for coming on. grateful to have your perspective. iac each and john are 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targeting key allies of the disgrazed expresident, people who played a role in the rally that took place just before the capitol was attacked. committee members say they hope the subpoena also help answer some of the biggest questions around the insurrection, whether there was any understanding by trump and his allies that the stop the steal rally he headlined would turn violent, or whether the deadly violence that happened that day was part of the plan. the post reporting on the subpoenas, quote, several of the newly subpoena ready rally organizers, including the founders and staff of the protrump women for america first group who could face questions about reports that the group had -- the stop the steal rally turn into chaotic march on the capitol. they may also be able to shed light on the degree to which the former president and his senior white house aides knew about their fears of chaos on january 6th. the best known person on the list of new subpoenas may be katrina pierson. she served as trump chain expand's spokesperson in 2016. we worked with a protrump political organize decision during trump's first term in office, only term in office and reportedly served as a liaison between the white house and the rally. the rally of course was the final spark that led up to the storming of the capitol. trump repeatedly promoted it on twitter. he tweeted, be there, we'll be wild the same day the organizers filed their original permit for the rally. on january 6th, he took the stage on urged people to fight like hell. the crowd was being riled.by two of the organizers including two who were subpoenaed last night. watch. >> we are going to fight for our president. we are going to fight for our country. there are more of us than there are of them and they are about to see us coming? this isn't about stealing an election from donald trump. this is about stealing an election from we, the people, and we are here to save the republic. >> we always point out nothing was stolen from donald trump. yamiche and john are back. yamiche -- is not playing. there have been questions asked by the impeachment managers now since that trial went on about following the money b this preparty, looked like a tailgate at various points. talk about the significance of this round of subpoenas. >> i want to say that is series on january 6th could be called the committee is not playing. that is -- that is the title this work. they are looking at these subpoenas and saying we want to know what knew what when. when you look at this administration -- i should say this committee is moving quickly to make sure they can answer some of those questions. so we are now seeing top aides and those close to president trump being called in. we are seeing deposition dates in these letters. they are essentially sayingway want to know who coordinated with these people who planned the january 6th insurrection and whethers in documentation out there. at this white house, the one behind me, they say they are not going to be shielding people, helping people get executive privilege, not going to be up volking it for any past trump aides. what you see is a ratcheting up of the committee's work and really it is another stage in showing that president trump nis lie and ginning people to break into the capitol, saying to them you are not going to get away with that, to just do that and just get away with what happened. >> this all happened -- they were loud and proud. they were dancing to gloria behind the scenes. donald trump was so riveted by the images of the mutelation of capitol police officers that he had a hard time taking calls. that's based on reporting that was never disputed at the former white house. i want the read some of what the committee wrote in some of these subpoenas. this is the one to katrina pierson. you and others working for women for america first to organize the january 6th rally collectively communicated with trump, white house officials, including chief of staff, mark meadows, and others about the rally and other events planned to coincide with the certification of the 2020 electoral college results. specifically, it has been reported that you participated in a meeting with president trump in the oval office on january 4th, 2021, at which he asked if another rally could be arranged where people like alley alexander and roger stone to speak. january 4th i believe was the day mr. eastman was in the oval office and mike pence was being pressured to in trump's word, do the right thing and refuse to certify. it feels like a really important day for this committee to understand trump's role in trying to orchestrate the overthrow of the vote. >> yes. yamiche said the play here, the movie, the mini series is going to be called "the committee isn't playing". i would suggest an alternative title, which is "they are coming for him". >> yeah. >> they are coming for him. everything about this effort has been appropriately, i think -- and i think impressively, rigorous and thorough and tough and focused on donald trump's role. and i think, you know, we saw the president was impeached for this. he got impeached a second time. we saw an incredible display in the united states senate just after donald trump left office when he was impeached the second time. we already know that he was impeached for incitement. right in it's not like there is mystery about donald trump's role at the highest level of all of this. the history goes back months it was laid out by the house impeachment managers before the united states senate when they presented their case in whenever that was, february of this year. this committee has gone from there, they have said there is not a mystery of donald trump being guilty, guilty of inciting this rite. now we want to know, with the fullness of time and the power of subpoenas and the reporting in all of these books that we have gotten from excellent and esteemed journalists who have been able to do first-hand interviews with people who were in the white house n the oval office on some cases on those crucial days including the one you just mention. there is a wealth of new information out there and a wealth of new targets that can be discovered. i am always watching when a committee that is this important -- i have said before i think this is the most important committee work going on on capitol hill currently and possibly in my lifetime. >> yeah. >> to finned out what happened on this day. i'm -- i bring a skeptical eye. i'm looking for flaws, failings, looking for way has the committee is not being as tough or rigorous or comprehensive as i would want them to be. i have not seen that. this committee has come with focus and strength and has done things in the way you would do it when you are going where you are going, and they are going after trump and trying to flesh out his role in all of this. >> it is all bipartisan. donald trump was kbreeched in a bipartisan manner. he was convicted in a bipartisan matter. mitch mcconnell said he should be criminally prosecuted but voted to acquit. all that has been partisan is the obstruction into the investigation of donald trump. democrats and republicans thought there should be a commission investigating the events of january 6th. how does that weigh on the biden administration's posture about not protecting any of these communications about the insurrection? >> it -- the biden administration, apart from the bipartisan effort, the president himself, president biden, believes that there was an insurrection carried out on january 6th a stap on our democracy is the way he sees it apart from the republican efforts and republicans working with democrats for this, the president is looking at this and saying we need to restore the soul of america. that was his catch phrase. in this regard it is the soul of america and the soul of american democracy. so this diplomat effort really bolsters what was already president biden's stance, which is that we really need to get to the bottom of january th. i think we also need to remember that the gop has a vault. i remember standing in the same place on the same lawn on january 6th and the outrage was bipartisan on january 6th. mccarthy had got on the phone with president trump, yelling at him, trying to get him to stop his supporters, pleading with him saying this was wrong. a number of supporters have done an about-face and gone back into the corner of donald trump and the sort of reality that he lives in that is not groundsed in truth. but at the time, the outrage and the real feeling that january 6th should not happen again, that was bipartisan, too. it just changed over time with the gop really leaning in on this idea that they need former president trump, who lost 2020, who lost control of the house in 2018 -- that they need him somehow to win in 2022 and four. >> the political reality. so pathetic. yamiche thank you for making so much time for us again. 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did you see any change in her face. the best thing is say i can't destroy a man. he's got a beautiful wife and children. i am not going to destroy a man for that. >> that was donald trump defending cory lewandowski against an allegation that he grabbed a reporter's arm. what is interesting to me is a former trump adviser told me yesterday that trump and his family are feeling the squeeze from all these lawsuits. i thought this firing this severing of ties from lun do you kyi, and it remains to be seen whether said ties are actually severed speaks to the financial desperation. we talk about his power, but maybe not about his political or his financial desperation and the idea that he would cut someone closer to him politically than anyone else, closer than banno who was in and out. lewandowski is the guy who got the trump campaign off the ground. cuts him out because a donor said she wanted her money back. >> i see it two ways. cory lewandowski was his campaign manager in the children pushed him out. so he went with steve bannon and kellyanne conway and steve bannon became what was called a chief strategist in the white house until he probably also came into the cross hairs. but the children, because bad stories were appearing about them on breitbart. so he was guilty by association with that and they were you know afraid he was leaking bad stuff about jared and ivanka. this is, you know, making fun of a woman that is a member of the media that cory lurn do youski pushed to the ground is red meat for trump's base. let's just laugh at the idea of sort of physically assaulting a female reporter because, you know, the media is the enemy. everything for trump's bottom line always comes down to money. everything is sacrificed at the altar of the buck. so he's very transactional this way when it comes to a donor. it is sort of easy to see why he says well this is not really going to stand. they threatened to take their money back unless lewandowski was dumped. i see the hundreds of millions of dollars he is actually raising on line since he lost the election and even more after january 6th as a sign he is doing quite well as the leader of the party, as the chief fund raiser and that he is not hurting and much of that money and the way he set it up can help him and his family personally and not end up in stop the steal efforts and these rallies and stuff like that. it lined their pockets. i think he's got a good grift going. i think when it comes to him he doesn't have situational moral or ethical outrage. he doesn't have any. he doesn't have any morals, he doesn't have any ethics, doesn't have any outrage and you are right, cory lewandowski is likely to be back. steve bannon, once he was banished he came back. that's the kind of thing that cory lewandowski can do to get back into trump's orbit. flatter him and tell him other people are doing him wrong and he will be back in good graces quickly. >> for someone like cory lewandowski trump offered until yesterday a world of liberation and redemption where immediate i don't care ritd and -- even a trumpian hall pass from decency comes with an expiration date at least when it comes to groping actual campaign donors. do you have any doubt that this is about who he groped, not that he groped? >> first of all, a., b, creeps, freaks, and losers are my -- that's the title for the next trump book. we have a lot of good titles coming out on this show today, creeps, freaks and losers what a fantastic line. charlie is talking about what is the attraction of trump world to lewandowski? grifters are like iron filings to magnets. trump is the ultimate grifter. all the subgrifters are like barnacles attached to the hull of the giant floating grifter in the sea. what's attractive to trump world to a guy like cory lewandowski is money, money, money, the same thing that's driving trump to push lewandowski out. cory has been cashing in on trump from day wound. he now -- i have to imagine he was drunk if he went after this donor's wife because he knows that the one thing that trump hates more than anything else is he will let people do the subgrift off of him but there is a line. right? if you step over that line, that's what pisses trump off. you are right, they are definitely feeling the financial pinch and there is no doubt donald trump has not experienced some pole on the road to damascus revolution that touching women inappropriately is now a horrible sin and we must drive everyone out of the temple who has ever done that. my god, could you imagine if trump ever had that thought? no, it's all about the money. i think with cory, he pissed off someone who might give me money and number two he is getting big for his pitches. he didn't like it when bannon was on the cover of "time" magazine. he didn't like when anybody who works for him gets too big for himself. i think he said he is groping one of my don'tor's wives? you have got to be i had canning, get him out of here. for now, they all come back. because the creeps the freaks the losers, oh, my, they are on a merry go round. they go out, they come in, go out, come in. he will be back. he will be back. he thinks we are all going to forget but he will be back. >> i guess the tragedy is that the night he allegedly assaulted the donor, if he had allegedly assaulted a waitress he would still have his job. it is all about the target and not the conduct. >> 100%. >> amy stoddard, john heilemann, we came up with series titles, book settings. thank you to both of you. a signal that the criminal case against the trump organization is moving full steam ahead. we will give you those details when we come back. bipolar depression. it made me feel like i was trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place... ...and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. latuda is not for everyone. call your doctor about unusual mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. elderly dementia patients on latuda have an increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, and confusion, as these may be life threatening... ...or uncontrollable muscle movements, as these may be permanent. these are not all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor about latuda and pay as little as $0 for your first prescription. ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, now introducing ensure complete! with 30 grams of protein. 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( abbot sonic ) the criminal case against donald trump's company and its chief financial officer, alan weisselberg appears to still be moving ahead. the investigation that's led by manhattan d.a. cy vance and new york state attorney general letitia james. last night, james assured the public during a meeting that it is far from over. james mentioned the investigation as a way to show her willingness to take on the powerful, saying this, quote, i can assure you that that investigation remains alive and well, so stay tuned. it's a perfect time to bring in our friend, host of the podcast "on brand." you don't hear a lot about it in the sort of national press but there is certainly a sense in new york that this is still humming along. what's your sense of where they are? >> my sense is that we are going to be looking at some indictments imminently. i spoke to michael cohen and michael has said to me, look, i had spoken to cy vance's office over a dozen times and hours and hours and hours, and the government is not doing this to not do something. it's very simple. so, i don't think -- letitia james, who's going to be running for governor, is not coming out and saying the words, stay tuned. this is going to happen. we're in a news cycle that we get very hyped up and we have to get the things that are just hovering out there. what i think particularly they need, this was not to go after allen weisselberg. trump's c.o.o. will be next who rose through the organization, been there 25, 30 years and as i said the last time i was on the show, the children and donald himself. so it's coming. and i think coming sooner than later. >> donny, i heard from a former trump advisor yesterday who said, of course donald trump's a very rich man but in terms of the cash flow and the rate that he and his family are accustomed to, all these legal inquiries and inputs and pressures are straining the system, and the kids are terrible stewards of this undertaking. what do you understand about trump's finances and sort of the -- who's managing the ship. >> well, first of all, he's got $600 million coming due in loans over the next few years that he's personally guaranteed. trump's net worth is probably a lot of people think maybe a billion dollars, maybe somewhere around there, but he's certainly not flush with cash. and a lot of his assets are bleeding money and the other interesting thing, when you talk about the family and how they're managing, i've heard from sources that the kid -- that in terms of ivanka and jared, are not really speaking to the president right now. so, you kind of just wonder, what fissures are going on within the family, that's not the case with two sons but as far as jared and ivanka, they've kind of bailed so it's interesting to see what's happening within this dynasty. >> two impeachments and an insurrection, i don't know, that may put a little strain on the family. >> that might be something for the thanksgiving dinner, right? >> i don't know. donny deutsch, wonderful to see you. >> good to see you, kid. next hour of "deadline white house" starts after a quick break. don't go anywhere. starts after break. don't go anywhere. regina appre all-electric cadillac lyriq. it's a sunny day. nah, a stormy day. ♪ ♪ we see a close up of the grille ...an overhead shot. she drives hands free along the coast. make it palm springs. cadillac is going electric. if you want to be bold, you have to go off - script. experience the all-electric cadillac lyric. oop, someone's not doing their job. if you want to be bold, you have to go off - script. okay, let's keep going. shopping for the game can be a minefield for young homeowners who have turned into their parents. can you believe how many different types of water they have in this aisle? kim, did you just change blades back there? -ah. -this is perfect. jackpot. variety pack. remember, it's a football game, not a play date. roger that. one more slice. it can be a lot. oh, good, the manager. uh, brian in produce -- very helpful. progressive can't save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto with us. -pulls to the left a little bit. -nope. one of my favorite supplements is qunol turmeric. turmeric helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. unlike regular turmeric supplements qunol's superior absorption helps me get the full benefits of turmeric. the brand i trust is qunol. one of my favorite supplements is qunol turmeric. turmeric helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. unlike regular turmeric supplements qunol's superior absorption helps me get the full benefits of turmeric. the brand i trust is qunol. 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how could i, at 18 years old and barely scraping by, support a child on my own? today, i sit before you as that nurse, as that pastor, as that pastor, as that activist, that single woman, that single mom to testify that i was raped. i became pregnant, and i chose to have an abortion. >> for me, terminating my pregnancy was not an easy choice. the most difficult i have made in my life. but it was my choice, and that is what must be preserved for every pregnant person. it is simply nobody's business what choices we as pregnant people make about our own bodies. and let me be clear. i would never tell people who don't choose to have an abortion that they should do so. nor should they tell me that i shouldn't. this is a constitutionally protected, intensely personal choice. >> sounding the alarm on the threat to reproductive freedoms in this country is where we start this hour. joyce vance is here, former u.s. attorney, now law professor at the university of alabama. and an msnbc legal analyst. also joining us, fatima gosgraves, and coauthor of "the confidence code" and an msnbc contributor. i want to start with you, fatima, and what we saw today. it is something -- it's awkward to talk about. it's awkward to talk about in a newscast. it's awkward to talk about it as a politician. and it takes something extraordinary for these women to have told these stories today. it's why we're starting here, and to me, it signals the urgency of this issue and this matter. >> yeah, it's considered a pretty radical act, actually, to tell your abortion story, and that's true for anyone, but especially true for these members of congress, although one in four women have abortions, there's a campaign of punishing and shaming people who need abortions, so their stories just don't get told and it's made it possible to pass laws like the texas sb-8. >> where do you think this conversation in this country is heading? do you think -- i mean, i sort of came of age as a voter at a time when a lot of my female friends were single-issue voters. i think this may be dropped in terms of priorities. do you think it's heading back to the forefront of issues people vote about? >> i think people thought roe vs. wade was secure because we have had it for five decades. i'm 45 years old. i came up in an age believing that, and understanding that, and what has shaken us is that it is day 30 where abortion is effectively banned in texas. that is -- that is launching a political awakening among many, many people. >> fatima, i don't like to get too far into the politics or the legal aspects without talking about what that means for women in texas, but certainly, someone woke up today, a woman who was back in school or on the job and already had her hands full or in a tragic circumstance was a victim of assault or rape and was more than six weeks pregnant, 85% of all abortions in texas take place after that six-week mark where most people don't even know they're pregnant. just talk about the reality for women in texas now. >> the reality is we have a public health crisis on the ground in texas. it means that for many people, they show up believing or trying to get abortion care and are told they're too late to get it in the state. so they have to raise funds to leave the state. they have to maybe arrange for child care if they already have children. they have to do it in the face of the shaming and the risk that someone might be sued for helping them access abortion care, and for some people, they won't be able to leave the state. that's just the reality. it's a tough time. >> fatima, let me play one more piece of sound from this hearing. this is from loretta ross, the cofounder of the reproductive justice movement. >> i'm tired of white saviors saying that black women aren't smart enough to make our own decisions about our lives. that's what i'm tired of. that is the ultimate in racism. to accuse us of being less smart, less human, and less caring about our children than you do. when your actions speak louder than your mealy words because you vote against children having lunches, getting good school, getting rid of guns so that they can survive. you vote against everything about our children once they're here, and yet you want to say that you're a better savior of black children than we are? get over yourself. this white saviorism does not convince us that you have our interests at heart. >> fatima, i wonder your reaction to that and to others who have described this as a social justice issue, front and center. >> you know, loretta ross is one of the founders of the reproductive justice movement, and she has been speaking truth plainly for many decades, and you know, it hit my heart because you have a state like texas which has some of the highest black infant and maternal mortality rates, which hasn't expanded medicaid, which hasn't done things to improve the lives of women and is spending its time in a pandemic blocking abortion. it tells you everything you need to know about values. >> i want to bring you in here and show you something cecile richards, long-time president of planned parenthood, said on our air earlier this morning about the impact of this hearing. >> there's just nothing i can say to underscore the courage and leadership of these women. it's also -- it's why elections matter. it's why representation matters. i know for many of my years at planned parenthood, i always thought, if we could ever get to a place where half of congress could get pregnant, then maybe we would be having a different conversation. so finally having women be able to be telling their own stories and representing the real lived experiences of people and if there were ever an example of why people who are pregnant need to be able to make their own decisions, then it should not be the role of the government or bureaucracies. this is case example. >> it struck me as so profound but perhaps such a simple observation that if we could ever get to a place where half of congress could get pregnant, then maybe we would be having a different conversation. this idea that women have to bare these most personal and painful experiences just to garner the attention, to put this issue front and center and at the top of the very, very busy schedule in itself is a sad commentary. >> yeah. i mean, you said something, i think, really important at the beginning of this discussion, nicole, which is that this is awkward to talk about. it's almost the last taboo in american culture. one in four american women have had an abortion, yet no one talks about it, so it took a huge amount of courage for these congresswomen and i'm so glad and appreciative they did stand up there but it's not just that half of congress needs to be women but the last time i checked, the biology of getting pregnant still demanded an egg and sperm and for every woman who's got pregnant and had to terminate that pregnancy, there's a guy out there who got her pregnant and they aren't the center of this shame. nobody talks about their role in this. they almost, in some cases, seem to get off scot-free. in this discussion. and i think they need to be held to account too. this can't just be on the shoulders of women and we can't just have to wait until half the members of congress are women in order to have this discussion. i think we have to bring the other part of the partnership into this too. >> and to be fair, joyce, i mean, there are -- i mean, to have the sorts of numbers of support among the public for roe vs. wade remaining the law of the land, for -- i think it's upwards of 57% of all americans support all abortions being legal and lawful and available, so in terms of public support, there certainly are a lot of men who join a vast majority of women and there are men and women on the other side of these questions as well. but i wonder if you can just take us through the legal path forward. i mean, cecile richards said on this program that roe vs. wade was overturned in texas. i know you've been focused on the mississippi case for a long time. are we at a moment where roe vs. wade will be overturned in multiple states? >> so, i'm older than the rest of you in the sense that i remember a time when roe wasn't the law in this country, and remember the momentous impact that rio coming down from the supreme court had on women in america to the point that almost take that for granted and that's is issue here. we have this national supreme court standard, this constitutional right to personal decision making where reproductive health is concerned that's enshrined in the constitution because of roe and the cases that followed it. and the supreme court now has the moment approaching, probably first opportunity in dobbs, the mississippi case, where it could say, as a nationwide matter, that there is no longer a constitutional right to abortion or perhaps more likely restrict that right so severely that it ceases to exist. and that's the biggest, the most omnipresent risk that we face in this regard. but as you point out, nicole, there is also the risk of roe being erased in certain states. in texas, we have this very unusual situation where legal opponents of abortion rights decided to come up with a mechanism so devious that the supreme court would say, well, we just can't review this. we can't enjoin this law from going into effect because texas has cleverly guaranteed a private bounty hunter, private vigilante mechanism to enforce its law so there's no one in state government for us to enjoin from enforcing the law and that's a disingenuous sort of a legal analysis. but it's correct, i think, that that means that roe is functionally dead, as cecile says, in texas. there are other states that would like to follow that approach and likely will and of course they may not need to depending on what the supreme court does when dobbs vs. jackson women's health center is decided this term. that could end abortion rights nationwide or at least in states that take advantage of that ruling and no longer provide access to abortion. >> katty, i cannot overstate the political loser it is among a general electorate to be against abortion even in the cases of rape and incest, to be against 85% of all abortions would have sunk the candidacies of anyone i ever associated with in republican politics. this is a massive political loser. is the right like the dog that caught the car with their appointments to the supreme court? >> you know, it's interesting how this is playing out. obviously, you look at suburban votes and particularly female suburban votes, which won joe biden the white house this time around and are the biggest determining factor at the moment in american politics, pretty much, and you're right, it's a loser. but then you look at races like the gubernatorial race in wisconsin where the governor has said, we're going to do one of the candidates has said, we're going to do the same thing as they have just done in texas so this clearly, politicians on the right of the political spectrum, on the right of the republican party, who either are not looking at the numbers or feel that in their races, this is still a vote-winner for them. i think that's -- i think they're wrong, because look at the number of women who have said they're going run for politics since sb-8 was passed. it's shot up, the number of women who are interested in running for political office and you've got the senator in nevada saying she's going to make sure she runs on the texas law opposing it. so, democrats feel this gives them a political win. more women are running on the democratic side for political office, so we may get to that number in congress of 50% in our lifetimes, nicole. wouldn't that be great? but there are still some on the right of the republican party who just aren't reading the numbers. >> it is something that we'll do our best to keep an eye on, to keep it front and center. joyce vance, fatima and katty, thank you so much for starting us off this hour. when we come back, new subpoenas from the january 6th select committee as investigators zero in on the organizers, the planners and plotters of that rally leading up to the insurrection. what the new moves tell us about where that investigation is heading next. plus, the consequences of republican inaction. police in texas are looking for an arsonist who fire bombed the democratic headquarters in austin yesterday. how republican silence may have made violence part of the right's political arsenal seem acceptable. and conservatives used to tell athletes to shut up and dribble. remember that? now they're embracing nba stars who are speaking out about not getting vaccinated. 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>> you know, i'm a bit reminded of something that george bush said on september 11th when the country was attacked, that the country's response would be directed not just at the terrorists who were responsible for that act but those who harbored them and i think the committee here is doing something similar. they're not just looking at the terrorists who attacked the capitol and came in and wanted to hang mike pence and attack the speaker of the house and overturn the election. but they're also looking at all the people who organized the rally beforehand. they're also looking, as we know, at the members of congress who talked to the president that day. in this last round of subpoenas, they subpoenaed information from a house staffer. they previously said they're going to go after information from members of congress, including the republican leader himself, kevin mccarthy, so i think they're being, you know, very aggressive on every front, and they have a broader mandate than the department of justice. the department of justice can only look at violations of criminal law. this committee can look at not just technical violations of criminal law but also people who acted inconsistent with the constitution, who acted inconsistent with our values, who were trying to overturn an election, who were perpetrating this big lie and i think they -- they want to find out and expose the actions of all of those around donald trump and then of course expose everything that he knew on that day and everything that he was doing before the insurrection happened and then of course while it was taking place as well. >> steve schmidt, thanks to the committee's work, the letters attached to the subpoenas which have some of what matt's talking about, the context, we have some of the investigative reporting and we're really starting to be able to fill in the blanks, not just january 6th but the 5th, the 4th, the 3rd, of course that sunday was the call to raffensperger to find 11,740 votes. john eastman, who wrote a memo with the coup plot on paper, mike pence's role articulated was discussed in the oval office with the president. mike pence was pressured to do the right thing. talk to me about what you see when you look at these pieces target to get filled in. >> well, nicole, what you will see is all of the pieces of an autocratic movement that make one possible coming together in its various elements. you have trump filling the role of the charismatic leader. you have his enablers, the coup plotters, who were with him in the oval office, who were handmaidens to this plot. you have the cynicism of the financiers, some of the richest people on the planet, some of the richest people in the united states have been the chief financiers of this american fascist movement. some of them, like steve schwartzman, have buildings named after them and are defended by some of the most elite universities in the country. you'll always have the cynicism of the elites, the elected officials in the country, all of them, the eelise stefanik or kevin mccarthy of the world, ted cruz, josh hawley, you have the mob. you have the extremists. we saw the intimations of violence turn to violence with these paramilitary groups and thugs and all of them together. and so, in the end, we're going to find out what happened with every one of these groups over every second over these days leading up to what ended the peaceful transition of power in this country by a political party that has made it perfectly clear with its radicalization since that day that it has no intentions of ceding an election that it loses in the next election. >> matt miller, steve mentioned kevin mccarthy. so did adam schiff earlier today on cnn. let me show you that. >> we haven't made a specific decision about members of congress yet, but anyone, frankly, that has pertinent information that was in communication with the president, so we know kevin mccarthy was, you know, i have to say, they certainly appear to be a pretty pertinent witness to me. >> we already know, matt miller, that liz cheney would like to hear from kevin mccarthy. there's been this sort of arely coded line of questioning at fox news and kevin mccarthy's been confronted about those conversations. do you think we'll see the day where he appears voluntarily and testifies? >> i hope so. every indication is they're going to try. if you look at the way the committee has behaved, they have made very clear they're going to move fast, be aggressive, and look at everything. kevin mccarthy is a witness who has relevant information. he talked to the president on that day. he was trying -- he was urging the president to call off his supporters, to try to get them to stop attacking the capitol. and we need to know what the president said to him. there have been -- there's been public reporting about it but he's the only firsthand witness so there's no reason he should get a pass just because he's a member of congress. anyone who's not a member of congress would be subpoenaed before that committee, have to come in and give a private interview or public testimony. kevin mccarthy just because he's, you know, should be treated like any other witness. now, i assume he would fight that. i assume he would say, no. maybe he'd even take the fifth amendment but congress has the ability to discipline its own members. they can refer him to the ethics committee and bring him up on ethics charges if he refuses to participate so i don't think there's any political or legal or substantive reason why they should not call him to tell what he knows. it's the right thing to do. >> pop some popcorn for that. tv and matt are sticking around for more because when we come back, we've been discussing, we've been covering what republican inaction in the face of rising threats of violence has wrought in this country. police in texas are now looking for an arsonist who tried to fire bomb the democratic headquarters in austin, texas. that story is next. headquarters in austin, texas. that story is next what happens when we welcome change? 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he has heard that he lives in an occupied country with an illegitimate president who lost the election, who was put into power by millions of fraudulent votes, mostly black and brown votes out of the inner cities. he turns on tucker carlson and he hears that he's going to be replaced in a great plot where the democratic party is importing people from the third world to strip him of his franchise, of his rights. he has been stoked. he has been instigated. he has been radicalized like a young man drawn to the lies of isis in a different part of the world, and we will have more of it. since the beginning of time, all right-wing political movements try to create chaos, including violence. and out of that chaos and out of that violence that they have caused, they then claim that they can bring order, that only they can bring order, and it is with that order that we will lose our democracy. there is a fundamental difference between these political parties in two big ways. and those two big differences exceed every other difference. one party will abide by election results. they're called the democratic party. the other political party no longer will. they've made it clear that they're engaged in an ongoing effort to seize power by any means necessary, including through contingencies where they lose the election. that's the meaning of the eastman memo. number two, the democratic party's politicians from left to right do not make intimations towards violence. it has become routine on the right and inside the republican party. with republican members of congress pointing high caliber weapons at objects and firing them, the language of violence, the image of the gun, the idea that their countrymen are their enemies. and so, historically, we know, when you put all of that fuel on the ground and you start throwing sparks at it, that you can ignite a conflagration, and when you dehumanize people the way that this man and this movement has, in the end, it kills people. and historically, this type of politics has wound up, in its worst excesses, killing tens of millions of people. that's why it's such a frightening moment, and that's why it's time to wake up and understand that we don't have a shortage of panic buttons problem. we have a political extremism problem that is very quickly metastasizing into a violent extremism that we'll be dealing with for a generation because of what happened over the last five years. >> matt miller, you know, it's a lot to put on the other political party, the democratic party now has to win elections, they have to govern by themselves, there is no interest in governing from republicans in washington. and they have to engage in a counterextremism effort for millions of americans who steve just describes have been radicalized by the ex-president and his media allies. what does that look like? >> it's two things. number one, you have to investigate and prosecute people who are responsible for violence, the fbi and the justice department in the same way they took down the ku klux klan, they have to take down political violence and you can see them trying to do that. but it's not a problem you can drone or prosecute your way out of. you also have to fight the ideology. we have to fight the ideology of domestic terrorism and the democratic party has to do that but honestly, it's insufficient. it will not work if one political party on its own is carrying forth this message. and if you look at what people heard the last five years from the republican party, it has been consistently supporting violence and everyone else cowering and at times excusing it so it is a lot to put on the democratic party. we have to do it but i think we are fooling ourselves if we think democrats alone can do this. there has to be some responsibility from someone somewhere in the republican party. >> agree with you, steve schmidt. thanks to you. no thanks for what you said, which will likely keep me up tonight. matt miller, thanks to you. thanks, both of you, for spending time with us. so, remember back when conservatives used to tell athletes, basketball players specifically, to just shut up and dribble? well, some of them have changed their tune now that some high-profile nba mega stars are expressing skepticism about the coronavirus vaccine. we'll bring you that story next. we'll bring you that story next. 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[woof] i'm telling y'all there's no place like wayfair to make your home totally you. ooh! i want that. oh, and lebron and kevin, you're great players, but no one voted for you. millions elected trump to be their coach, so keep the political commentary to yourself, or as someone once said, shut up and dribble. >> so, it's confusing, right, to keep track of when exactly professional athletes are allowed to share their opinions, at least in the eyes of conservative media and their allies and what they're just supposed to shut up and dribble. apparently, lebron james criticizing donald trump was a bridge too far. shut up and dribble, the phrase you just heard from laura ingraham, but when an athlete has a message conservatives like, totally different story. we told you yesterday about what's going on inside the nba. a league that boasts a very impressive and positive 90% vaccination rate among players. but there is a vocal minority of players, it includes super stars and their vaccine skeptics. conservatives are very happy to exploit their skepticism. among them, one senator ted cruz who declared he stands with kyrie irving and other players with similar concerns, using the hashtag, unironically, your body, your choice. let's bring in jemele hill and dr. peter hotez, codirector of the center for vaccine development at texas children's hospital, dean at the school of tropical medicine and i will give you one more title, tip of the spear for dealing with disinformation. tell me what your take is on the unvaccinated players or the of voicing their concerns and skepticism about the safety of the covid vaccine. >> well, first, let me see that if ted cruz was standing with me, i'd probably vomit a little bit in my mouth. and sometimes you have to -- >> you wouldn't be the first. >> yeah, i'm sure. i'm sure i'm very much in the majority there. but you have to sometimes pay attention to who are the people egging you on and, quote, unquote cheering for you. that tells you a lot about the stance that you're taking. but you know, as you mentioned, 90% of nba players are vaccinated, but there's a loud minority that was exposed this week and frankly a lot of the things that we heard from these players were some of the things that we've heard in wider society, and it just gets back to just how pervasive this misinformation is. you had bradley beal, who's a guard for the washington wizards, asking the media or saying to the media, well, i don't understand, because you can still get covid if you're vaccinated. and you can still transmit it, so basically, what's the point? and this is somebody who missed the olympics because they contracted covid. and even though the message has been the same for months, and when the vaccines first came out, that, yes, breakthrough cases were possible, but this is about keeping you alive, keeping you out of the hospital, and giving you an ability to recover differently than those who are unvaccinated, there he was spouting a talking point that kind of showed that he hadn't really done much research. and now, i would prefer that than people lying about the research, don't get me wrong but the it's disheartening because nba players have access to the top medical personnel. these teams have invested a lot in these players and their bodies and to see them spouting things we hear from people who are not in their position, it just really crystallizes how difficult a fight against disinformation is. >> yeah, and we're going to give dr. hotez a chance to answer bradley beal's question directly. we'll see if we can get it to him. but i want to press you on something kevin said on this program yesterday, jemele. he viewed this as a social justice issue, that what these athletes owe their communities is to take the vaccine, to trust the science and to protect the people who follow them and admire them. do you see it that way? >> i think kevin is right, because when you look at the disproportionate effect that the virus has had on the african-american community, you know, this has been something that has especially devastated us. these athletes have been extremely strong and vocal about other issues that impact the black community from police brutality, inequality, racism, generational wealth gap, and i would put this healthcare crisis, this public healthcare crisis right in there in the mix and i know that it's an awkward situation because people don't want to tell people what to do with their bodies unless, of course, you're a woman in texas. >> correct. >> but at the same time, i think that there is an opportunity -- i won't call it a responsibility. >> okay. >> i think there's an opportunity there for players who have this kind of platform to speak directly to the people who are most impacted by this virus, and that would be black and brown folks. >> jemele, how do we get them there, the ones who are -- i won't call them anti-vaxxers and you're right, it's not their responsibility, it's their opportunity, but how do we get them to yes? >> well, i think the way to get them to yes is the way that the nba is going and even the nfl has done this, through money. money definitely talks. and when you look at a player like kyrie irving and andrew wiggins, who both are playing in cities that have vaccine mandates that require vaccinations at indoor -- large indoor gatherings, are you really, if they're making $30 million, are you really prepared to forfeit half of that because you can't play in home games because you're not vaccinated? when you look at the nba protocols for unvaccinated players, do you really want to go through that kind of intensive testing all the time? and so, while shame may not work, money definitely speaks volumes, and the loss of money is something that no player wants to have for something that they can certainly control, and i think some public peer pressure would also be really helpful. lebron james is the most important player in the nba. he's the most influential player in the nba. he's vaccinated. his entire team is vaccinated. you know why? none of them want the responsibility of costing lebron a shot at a title. kyrie irving is on a team that is pretty kyrie irving is on the team, he has a xhans chance to win a title. do you want to cost a title? i think that messaging should get through. there is about how you say you want to take care of your teammates and you being involved in a team atmosphere. this is how you do it. this can't be the reason you can't be able to compete at the highest level. >> i want to give the doctor a chance to take on the exact word. we have to sneak in a quick break. we'll do that on the other side. i would like an explanation to, you know, people with vaccines, why are they still getting covid, if that's something that we are supposed to be highly protected from. like it's funny that it reduces your chances of going to the hospital. it doesn't eliminate anybody from getting covid. >> we had covid in the past and having anti-body with my current age group and fitness, physical fitness level. it's not necessarily a fear of mine. taking the vaccine, like i said, it would decrease my chances of having a severe reaction, but it does open me up to the albeit rare chance with the possibility of having an ad verse reaction to the vaccine. >> i'd like you to respond first to bradley, via the wizard's question, why it's something that's supposed to protect you but then people are getting breakthrough questions. just answer that on the off chance he's watching? >> yeah, so when you get fully vaccinated, you have a dramatically-reduced risk of getting symptomatic illness, serious illnesses and hospitals and deaths. remember, we're losing 2,000 americans every day. just about all of them are unvaccinated. by vaccinating, you will definitely save your life and early on, these vaccines were definitely also reducing asymptomatic infection and preventing virus shedding. there has been some decline inwaying immunity. that's why we're recommending the third immunization. so he's wrong. >> let me ask you isaac's concerns, because he had covid in the past and he had anti-body with his age and fitness level, have any unvaccinated men of jonathan isaac's age and fitness level died of covid? >> yeah. absolutely. so we're seeing young people going to the hospital in alarming rates. even if have you been infected and recovered, the center or disease control clearly show if you get vaccinated on top of having infection and recovery, have you significantly reduced risk of getting reinfection as opposed to not getting vaccinated. so people who are infected and recovered and then get vaccinated have incredibly high virus neutralizing anti-body. as you point out, they having a says to all of the latest medical information. so it is demoralizing to hear them recite anti-vaccine statements. that's basically what it is. this is in can. this is on the laundry list of anti-vaccine statements and their role models. nicole, saturday morning i went on ktsu, the radio station of our historically black university to speak to young african-american men and women about covid. sunday night i went back on d.c. co-field, pastor d.c. cofield, on wednesday morning i went on newsmax to talk with conservatives to plead with them to get vaccinated. today i spoke to the latino health summit. every waking hour of my life i'm not in the lab trying to develop our vaccines, i'm pleading with people to save us 2,000 lives. what's the impact of a medical school professor doing this, when these individual could have so much more impact. i'llment all i'll say, imagine if this were roberto clemente or walter peyton or henry aaron, would they talk this way? they wouldn't, they'd be out there saving lives. >> that's a profound thing to say that you've spent all your time you are not working's a physician and scientist to try to convince people to take a vaccine we have in plentiful supply. i'm willing to have this. i hope jemele this is fluid, if this is a dynamic situation. you are right, missing half or all of your home games, half a season, might be the lever that works. thank you both so much for having this conversation with us. a quick bake for us. we'll be right back. us. a quick bake for us. we'll be right back. 00 feet. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect. rethinking how we communicate to be more inclusive than ever. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change. faster. vmware. welcome change. who pays more for prescription drugs than anyone else in the world? americans do. and whose tax dollars does big pharma use to develop those same drugs? 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