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security recipients not receiving the check. i want to point to the republicans and say this is the reckless behavior of republicans. >> the house bill is also the subject of sharp divisions within the democratic caucus, some members objective of the inclusion of a billion dollars for israel's iron dome defense system which as you, know shoots down incoming rockets fired at israel. the funding was removed and will be voted on in a later bill. but republicans criticize the change and vowed to stand as allies with israel. that brings up the democrats deep divide. which is threatening biden sweeping domestic agenda. progressives and moderates, the left in the middle, artist and off over went to vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which is already passed in the senate. and the much larger and more expensive bill which expands the social safety net. right now moderates want to vote on the infrastructure bill on monday as promised, progressives have threatened not to supported unless the larger bill passes first. earlier the leader of the progressive caucus, spoke with rachel meadow. >> all of a sudden the tables get turned on us and we are now finding that people are saying no they're just passing the infrastructure bill, and will get to childcare later, we'll get to pay leave the later. well rachel, we are committed to delivering the entirety of the presidential agenda to the president's desk. how of our caucus has said that they will not just vote on the bike or infrastructure bill, we have to vote on the reconciliation bill. first tomorrow the president will meet what the select group the elected democrats are trying to get everybody on the same page on this, tonight the white house is keeping a close eye on developments on the pandemic front as you might imagine. bloomberg reporting that the fda is expected to make its decision on pfizer vaccine shots sos tomorrow. they recommended the additional shots for people 65 an over. in addition johnson & johnson said today that its booster shot is 94% effective when given two months after the first post. also nbc news has confirmed that the news report from the daily bees says former president trump is suing the new york times and his niece and three of its reporters over a story about his tax history. the daily beats reports it this way mary trump on her own party released a statement today that says quote there is also extraordinary reporting tonight from the new york times about the trump campaign and efforts to prove false claims of election fraud, you may recall trump lawyers were -- insisting the election company more working with another company smartmatic to steal the election from donald trump, here's what they said on november 19th of last year. >> what we are really dealing with here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of caucus in many. driven is a look, cuban, and likely china in the interference with our election here in the united states. >> this is not a singular voter fraud this pattern repeat itself in a number of states. almost exactly with the same pattern. i think the larger conclusion is that this is a common plan, a common scheme, that comes right directly from the democratic party when it comes from the kennedy. >> communist money and dripping brown goo the time to report that the trump campaign knew lawyers voters machines who were alive before they made those allegation, again that was on november 19th. paper says that the campaign had prepared an internal memo before that they indicating those claims are untrue. meanwhile the actual winner of the 2020 election made his first speech as president before the un general assembly today even with all the recent challenges to biden's foreign policy this message to the un was very different from what we have heard from his predecessor. >> we've ended 20 years of conflict in afghanistan. and as we quote this period of relative peace wars. we are opening a new land of diplomacy. we are not seeking a new cold war or world divided, were bridges by. united states is ready to work with any nation that steps up and pursues peaceful revolutions. to share challenges. biden continued his focus on foreign policy when he got back to washington and the oval office where he held a meeting with uk prime minister johnson. with that let's bring in our frontline just lisa lerer national correspondent for the new york times. and irwin redlener for the national center of preparedness cyclone lumbee. and also jon meacham winning author currently the rods jurors chair and the american presidency he, occasionally advises the president on historical matters and major species. his new podcast is called it was said and the newest installment says it looks at the most important speeches in the history of sports. good evening and welcome to you all, and the side like to begin with you. we asked a few democrats today about what they view as plan b if indeed vote goes down, and the debt ceiling is not raised, and the government is shut will sample that and discuss on the other side. what is the plan b? >> we're not gonna let them off the hook. well there is no plan b you've gotta pay your bills. what's a plan b? what? well that's on the republicans >>? so lisa very good question what do they do. well to be in quite the situation this is not the only problem that the administration and democrats they have this very deep divide in their domestic agenda and this is very extensive 3.5 trillion dollar economic package. the infrastructure bill which you have issues at the border, you have his immigration agenda was dalton major setback this week with senate parliamentarian saying it couldn't be cleared in the economic package, so you really see is that the biden administration domestic agenda is hanging by a thread right now, in the first year of his administration but of course is political capitalist is the highest is gonna be. and on top of that you have the issue of the debt ceiling which is going to cause catastrophic economic they have not been good for the economy, we have not had a government shut down and i think that's what's going a lot of people, both in congress and outside of congress trying to get through a rather uneven economic situation right now. look jonathan the challenges that we've just been talking about domestic policy, foreign policy was on the president's agenda today. host bought risks drawl from afghanistan. and to top it all off using the pro lids of diplomacy. we've managed to piss off friends. what do you make of the state of his presidency right now? well >> just look at the clinical flex of the matter, we had a country that just reported that the previous president attempted to lie and game his way to overturn the constitution and the tie. you have a significant number of people who call themselves republicans believing that they would rather put their faith in an authoritarian rather than the constitution, they are in-flight from fact, they're in-flight from truth. privilege-ing the will the, power over the checks and balances that inherit imperfection and compromises of a constitutional order. and so i think that this is a lot bigger than a political who's up who's down. question if president biden was elected anyone who sentiment that could go far to try and see if democracy can deliver if democracy can work. what's kind of weapon denies propaganda in a domestic sense high anti migration eczema corrosive identity politics -- all of which are forces in american -- life but which are flowing at such a space right now that torture the metaphor bit the waters are about to jump and so i think what i hope we're gonna see is if you're out there. and if you want to see democracy work where you need to do is get on the phone and get on the email and telling republican senators that you want this financial problem taking care of. and then he could fight about where you want to spend excellent of money. but press -- i really do believe this is democracies our >> well with that in mind dr. over tyrique sweeties and the ongoing pandemic and i want to quote for you doctor she is to cnn what you are to us from her health commissioner and she says and the rest so dr. noting that people of meantime accent are already getting there on third doses in your view if we should adult people to choose? >> well brian i don't think really that it's a matter of -- it's a personal choice. this is a matter of what works and what doesn't work. what is the health community suggesting and recommending. and i just wanna say just until the sun shone, i'm amazed about this fact. which is the president and the white house the country are dealing with massive issues that if i could be can be and as johnson said affect the ability of our democracy. with all things considered in that case i'm looking at the look of please and relatively straightforward and the reality is that besides the fact that there are it's about how to proceed with the scientific challenge of having governors forbid people to wear a mask and is too straightforward even put even in the same category is trying to save our democracy, rescue the american presidency from the crisis that he's experimenting domestically and economically look if, the scientist committee, the cdc especially for older people more people who have immunocompromised, get the third dose but in the meantime i don't know what i'm a professional that's gonna make the decision >> so he said the conversation comes back to you john's comment alone could be the centerpiece of their own our broadcast given that just a micro cars down tomorrow, the president has nothing to say the pandemic is getting this massive piece of economic legislation to serve contract, it's exactly the opposite. it's very very complex. how a biden is trying to do here is be ambition. he's basically kind to do the new deal, or the great society sides program but now over several years or piecemeal in a couple of weeks so looking at the political capital which they know we would for the weekend will not towards the midterm elections and there were that the congressional wrote that really make it tough for their marital and their majority in congress, and what he's going to be arguing it's the democrats best chance to get something done, and -- frankly the democrats need to do is they can have somebody or something to write it into elections when i think the party is confronting in or before already the progressive wing of the party and you know seeing these things in the next week or so sound really tough at the bottom it says the final frame says, the final variant is communism, to that the memphis hauler will today this is not the time to joke about hippie with their best shot. in case you missed it we have the highest transmission rates of covid per capita. our hospitals are bursting at the canada 95% of people occupying bet. and we have permit the scary here to. so who spent some of the coastal because the problem here that the coastal lead on spending enough time in red american countries to see this it's making every sense right going as if going to the south seas as though the country is in the grip of again, not unprecedented entire i would argue and then agree. since the 18 fifties. and we know how the 18 fifties ended. they have been budgeted katika and i'm not predicting armed conflict here. but i do think that we have to take a pretty deep breath here who in that number proportionally rising in my part of the country, the that in the give and take of the democratic republic. they want their way and if they don't have their way they will deny reality. that isn't any kind of opposition to what they think. which i would argue to my fellow's up there is any historical. it's not america. one of the inside of the american family, although a perfect it was, is that reason to have a chance to have a passion in the arena. because otherwise why governments instituted, because all of us are basically wired by evolution to take as much as we can right? or we wouldn't be here. because i ancestors would've been killed on the way. we are the products a very successful predators and evolutionary's right? and when you go to a state of nature and part of political philosophy, there's a state where world log install were fighting each other for everything we can get, and then one of the process was that liberty under law and then in order to preserve a broader sense of security, we're sitting here september 2021 but you saw that sign and that's a two his wedding first lady nature, the deviation of differences. and i [inaudible] this is on us. this is only the people. because doctor democracies are counterintuitive. because we're driven by half that and have intuition. and democracy is about about rivals but it's about neighbors. we do not see each other as neighbors in america at this hour and if we don't maybe we are with the of this and maybe that's a question that we really really need to stay in the face. not worrying about with this one that did but are we in fact maternity as a people to govern ourselves? i think we are. but we're doing everything we can to prove the opposite. >> and your comments prove the air hands hanging across our country [interpreter] as we get together tonight would thanks to lisa lerer irwin redlener also jon meacham thank you for starting a conversation. and now why the january six committee says they aren't wasting any time going straight to subpoenas as the fbi warns about increasing threats of domestic terrorism, and the pictures from our southern border might might they say about upsized nurses society where they noted new york times all all at the 11th hour, it is just getting underway eed? now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. call coventry direct to learn more. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly 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politics and, mine de with list cheney. who just this week there may not have been any more important congressional investigations, then the one on their we right now. >> 100 percent, this was a time to overthrow the student of student. and the key element of democracy, is asking if you're willing to use, and the republicans have said that the democracy when they win. that means that they are not up for democracy. if you let this slide and don't get to the truth. if you don't hold people accountable it's a cancer. and it will lead out of democracy, and i think john mccain was absolutely right about the group stage the democracy is hanging. republicans had a chance, they're hold trump responsible. and i think at the moment that well to berlin was a much more intense person but all remember the any democratic automatic force in america. and the goal is online after saying that for all the years that i've worked in the party, but those are the stone cold facts. i mean john lee did a. official was [inaudible] republican party that donald trump was the legally elected president. which means that we don't have a legally elected president, switching to deliver the democracy, which makes burned an occupied country. and this job pointed out that the sun to happen and how the work of? i think that we all have this great desire, we have a normal present thing got -- but if we allow ourselves to think this moment is normal it's gonna be catastrophic. because the people who are autographed in this country are organized, they're patient, they're not stupid, they had these before his characters out front, but they're not buffoonish. and they think that they're gonna win. and if we don't fight them, we don't come together, and put aside a purity test and democrats have to really challenge themselves here, this is a character test for democrats, republicans feel that character test. but democrats have to be willing to come and put aside their differences and fight for democracy. because they are really the last pistol we have. you >> will need i've never heard a set up any better for a question to you about whether democrats can put purity testing aside. we saw the game today and will see tomorrow, are they up for the fight? as described by john stewart. i think that they are already demonstrating that they alone are up for the fight, especially in the halls of congress, where you have both mccarthy and mcconnell vote against the -- that was available to get to the truth of what happened that day on january. six so democrats are full of seats to launch a selection committee. i think they're already doing that. and i think what comes next comes critical. to the success of what we can discover in the still looks committee, and that's why representative schiff's already said, we're jumping straight to subpoenas, because we're not trying to waste. time with people who would be resistant abiding by respondents subpoena, and schiff knows what he's talking about based on the response he got to subpoena issues, previous impeachment trials were trump admissions just ignored it essentially. and so now with this white house this emoji is already encouraging, trump officials to cooperate with congressional inquiries. hopefully we get somewhere and asked chairman thompson, said this is about getting to not only the truth of january six, but making sure never happens again, i think you mentioned it briefly the fbi has said that all massive increase domestic terrorist threat, let's be real that stems from white supremacist themes that were on display by january 6th, and i don't see that going in the box anytime soon because these are split symbols by trump, rallied by trump, encouraged by trump to attack the capitol that day. but to continue to make the resting against our democracy. >> and our country every other wow. i have been that but i don't think day. our viewers expected from comment this hour anyway. both of these terrific guests agreed to 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advocate. you know the argument. you know people say to the left that the giant paul's of the world, did you like the trump? years if you, did you could have four more if you split the party. the margin in the house is so thin that can't afford anybody to get the sniffles on beau today. they can't pass anything in the united states senate including peach month, and joe biden may be the last best hope moderates and liberals in the democratic party have. >> i'm hesitant to put this on progressives before looking at moderates first. let's remember, the entire plan for the build back better agenda to be delivered to biden was a to bill package that ran on parallel tracks. that was the plan. biden got in trouble for saying it out loud. troubthat's been the plan for democrats. my eye goes to moderates. is this the road you want to take? causing interparty fighting that could blow up this whole agenda? i look progressives at this point and say, okay, only responding with leverage to make sure essential advancements are made, people in the economy and every bit of recovery we need in an ongoing pandemic. i fully expect fireworks for biden tomorrow when he calls everybody into huddle. he's over this, he's tired of it, he wants it done so they can move on to other priorities he mentioned, brian. i expect negotiations to come to head tomorrow. speaker pelosi put the word out to progressives to expect fluctuations in the reconciliation bill. i won't be surprised if tomorrow ends with some announcements of new agreements, and all of this can move forward. >> stewart, let's not forget all of this is up against the threat of the new kind of bromide of the republican party, as we discussed before the break. this new situational nihilism of which people like mcconnell and mccarthy are the leaders. >> yeah, i mean, democrats have to ask themselves what is this going to be like if they lose in 2022? it's pretty clear what republicans will do. they want to impeach, and if they won both a will impeach biden. this is serious stuff, and if you really believe the country is in a crisis, if you believe we are some sort of challenge to democracy, which i deeply believe and i think a lot of democrats, a lot of americans say, a lot of democrats say if you really believe that, you will find a way to come together and help president biden pass some big bill here and not fight over every last thing you want in this bill. it's essential. at a certain point, good government becomes good politics, and i think it's critical for democrats going into this next election to have a series of accomplishments at which this is the centerpiece. >> it's essential for us to have smart friends at this broadcast, and our viewers have heard from two of them. our thanks to juanita tolliver and stewart stevens. coming up for us, the president promises he is going to get the situation along the southern border under control. as a photo of americans rounding up humans ricochet's around the world. it 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(soft music) ♪ there is more outrage tonight hello, colonial penn? after disturbing images show border patrol agents on horseback's swinging would have beers to be horse reins near haitian migrants. top members of the presidents own party and civil rights leaders in this country are publicly condemned the treatment of migrants at the border. administrations officials have vowed to thoroughly investigate the incident. >> what i saw, depicted of those individuals on horseback, treating human beings the way they were, was horrible. >> we do not tolerate any mistreatment or abuse of a migrant. period. >> it's just one of the issues we want to talk to our next guest about we're so pleased to welcome back to the broadcast, from the new york times. whose new york times is last book the black crown manifesto was just released today. in the paperback version and charles, your book perspective readers are really in for ride. it is a call to action more than that, it is a call to migration, the likes of wish i have never read. talk about the reception since it's been out in hardcover, and talk about it existing in a country where it doesn't seem like congress or the feds are going to be able to guarantee voting right. >> right so the thesis of the book is that black people should reverse the migration back to consolidate the power, and therefore increase their actual power in the united states of america. and since the book was published in hardcover, events have only kind of stiffened my spine if i believe that this is what is required we saw this outpouring of support and pledges of change and aid in the wake of the summer protest. billions of dollars were placed by corporations. all sorts of promises were made including police reform. and now what we see is police reform is still stuck in congress. there is a new kind of gym 0.2 point 2:00 on the way. as these crackdown on the voting in tried to suppress the votes by people mostly black and brown people. and the severe's ones are in the states, there are seeing these surges in black and brown people. it was in georgia, there has been a surge in black people. it was in texas where there's this ongoing surge, it is in arizona where there's the ongoing surge of hispanic. people in addition to that those corporations place all those billion dollars, and they only gave a fraction of that money. and many of them got to cost us that we're going to mark them money rather than the truly give to causes of equity. we have seen this before. we were here in the wake of the riots that followed in the middle sixties, and i've followed dr. king's assassination. we saw this good faith effort. and then it faded. and then they forgot all about. it and then we drifted into massive conservation. we cannot go through these cycles where americans society says that they have black interest at heart and they do not do anything in the end to secure those cities of oppression, and black people cannot allow that their liberation to the dependent on whether or not white america weeks up, or whether or not white america feels like being shipped sympathetic. and that is what this book comes. to >> that is why in the coin to phrase the prescription is to follow the warmth of the original son to ourselves. >> charles i want to read this to you, this from the naacp today the humanitarian crisis happening under this administration on the southern border does stuck distinctly mirror some of the darkest moments in americas history >> i am tempted charles to ask if the whole horse with the man on his back will become the modern symbol of our immigration mess. the way things like the baton and the fire hose came to symbolize the struggle. >> right but it is so big -- it's tire sense of play this game but you have to play, it and it's hard to even call it a game. which is imagine the [inaudible] . imagine not only that these are white people, to being chased by these rains or whatever they look like. i don't know what they were. it wouldn't happen. and you go back to trump administration and imagines or white children laying on the floor, and with blankets and they wouldn't turn off the lights and they wouldn't give them two sources of [inaudible] because they thought they would need those sorts of. things the way that they treat people. in america, who are not white. who are not privileged, who do not have power, would not have well, whether they are migrants or whether they are presidents of this, country is deplorable. and it cannot be disconnected, you cannot disconnect the way they treat george floyd from the way they treat haitians with two bags of food in his hand and just tried to get someone to get safe, instead of chasing him around horse with the rains or whips or whatever maybe. >> i was just thinking as we might have to edit the words of emma to fit this era. this is a perfect time for the french to probably want the whole statue but. charles blow has been our guest this time, again to 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the smoke is reached new york and new england and blotted out the sun on many otherwise sunny days. lives and homes have been destroyed in california. now the flames have threatened to destroy some giants that belonged to all of us at the sequoia national park, where we get our report negroponte c news correspondent aaron mclaughlin. >> nestled inside this so-called giant forest, the largest tree in the world. the race to save it from encroaching flames. the iconic tree known as general sherman is over 2000 years old. stands towering 275 feet high, almost as tall as the statue of liberty. sequoia has attracted tourists from around the world, with flames creeping closer, crews cover the base of its massive trunk with fire resistant wrapping. in an effort to protect it. >> there are so many reasons to protect these trees. for tree lovers, they are so special. >> one massive blaze torching over a 23,000 acres. the burn area, visible from space. >> we've got crews working all through the giant forest, looking for those new spot fires and extinguishing them. >> and would like these and sequoias have adapted to fires, even if the flames reached, then they could still survived. by your viciously it's down to the intensity of the flames, and forest management. >> visitors sharing their fond memories of adventures to see the tree. >> sequoia national park isn't absolute jim. it's a national treasure. we've seen real material mortality in the giants equate as a result of climate driven fire. >> the race is on to protect the great general sherman and the surrounding towering treasures. aaron mclaughlin, nbc news. >> as i, said this is not a wrong continent. but coming up for, us if you want to witness the conversion from vaccine skeptic key vaccine believer, you'd have to visit your local icu. >> last thing before we go tonight, no one, no single death of a over 660,000 deaths during this pandemic thus far has a lock on our sympathy or our sadness by consensus. they are all set. all a loss to their individual loved ones as the president's over quickly says. they all mean an empty seat at the table. the small flags on the grounds of the washington monument are the most recent attempt to illustrate what we mean when we say we have now lost one and every 500 of our fellow citizens during this pandemic. we have a good idea at how many of them could have been prevented, had there not been such transit government malpractice and denialism. it gave rise to the anti-vaccine movement, which is now killing our people. and for any and all of your friends who get their news from the crazy side of facebook, those who say it's experimental, that it's a government trap or a tracking device, those who say they are still doing the research. by the way, ask to see their home research laboratories. all those folks should see the following. this is 24-year-old patrick burshia, who was interviewed three weeks ago by nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez, while hospitalized with covid and buildings, montana. he admits he was a consumer of misinformation. he admits he was anti vaccine before he got sick. >> i was here hearing a lot of propaganda, like the vaccine wasn't really effective, wasn't real. there is a whole bunch of crap i was hearing from close friends and family members who didn't really trusted. i wasn't really out, trying to get proper information about it. but ... after experience what i've experienced, as it is i can, i'm joining the vaccine. i recommend anybody thousand to get it. this is a scary situation. >> that was patrick in the hospital there in buildings, montana. that was three weeks ago. he's gone now. he died this weekend at the age of 24. another vaccine skeptic who underwent an icu conversion to vaccine proponent, right before he lost his life. that is our broadcast for this tuesday night, with our thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. we have to really have people that are going to stand in the line and have a moral courage that this is how the results came on. inside the efforts to overthrow democracy. i don't know look bread i've got to get i have to find 12,000 votes, and i have them times a lot. and therefore, i won the state. >> with donald trump still trying to overturn the election in georgia, meet the republicans still holding lots. georgia secretary of state, joint to meet live tonight. >> at the end of the day the results were what they were, president trump did not carry the state of georgia. >> then push to save the country from another donald trump. >> it should matter who the president of the united states is. we should want that president not to be able to abuse that office, to enrich themselves. >> congressman adam schiff to see on that. and how the texas abortion law just got the plaintiff it deters. and as biden pushes his big clean energy plan. why is joe manchin of all people crafting the climate bill? all in starts 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