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>> with donald trump still trying to overturn the election in georgia, meet the republican still holding the lie. >> the results were what they were. president trump did not carry georgia. the push to save the country from another donald trump. >> it shouldn't matter who the president of the united states is. we should want that president not to be able to abuse that office to enrich themselves. >> adam schiff is here on that. how the texas abortion law just got the plaintiff it deserves. as biden pushes his clean energy plan, why is joe manchin of all people crafting the climate bill? "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. the other day i was reading the news to prepare for this show and i came across a letter from donald trump to the secretary of state of georgia. trump asked the secretary of state to start the process of de-certifying the election. we read a lot to prepare the show for you. sometimes we pay close attention. sometimes things are in the periphery. a new document from those daze -- days when donald trump was trying to end the american democratic experiment. when he was attempting to install himself the loser over the candidate who won in clear violation of the rule of law and the will of the people. i was wrong. trump sent that letter four days ago on september 17, 2021. it is a reminder of the fact that while most everyone else may have moved on from the last election, donald trump has not. the faction of american politics he controlled and controls has not moved on either. that faction controls one of the two viable political parties in this country, which is to say, that faction is just a coin flip away from seizing power at any time.dodged a bullet of the 2020 election but we are getting reminders we came to how close we came to losing the democracy and how active the threat remains going forward. yesterday, another document underlining that threat became public. this is from that period between the election and january 6. it's a memo written by a right ring lawyer. he is a member of the confederalist society. he is someone who has been willing to argue for views and positions that the vast majority of constitutional scholars would not just reject but laugh at. for instance, questioning whether kamala harris is a natural born citizen and, therefore, eligible to be vice president. that piece that he wrote last august caught the attention of, you will never guess, donald trump who is looking for one or two people to agree with him. when it came time to overturn a democratic election, he became one of trump's go-to people arguing for a coup. "the new york times" reported he was delivering a last minute pitch at the white house to trump and pence about what the then vice president could do to overturn the election on january 6. in their new book, woodward and costa report more details about that. they quote trump as telling pence, you need to listen to john, he is a respected constitutional scholar. hear him out. woodward and costa obtained eastman's memo in which he lays out the six-step plan he presented to trump and pence that day as he tried to pressure the then vice president into seizing power. the memo describes how he saw the scheme playing out. the key point in his scenario is basically for mike pence to usurp the democratic process of the country. he calls on pence to convert his role into which he declared it contested and throws the house of representatives because republicans had 26 state caucuses, they would prevail. what that would mean to extend the logic is the vice president, the sitting vice president, presiding over the counting of votes could just essentially veto the election, could decide who next president is or could just decide to throw the vote to the house, giving congress veto power over the votes of the american p.m. why have an election in the first place? that was the case. america would not be a democracy in a recognizable sense. here is the thing. it's really not clear what would have happened if mike pence followed the plan. we don't know. we do know that pence was trying to, that he was curious, if you will. according to woodward and costa, pence called dan quayle to ask his advice. they described quayle as adamant telling him, you have no flexibility on this, none, forget it, put it away. ultimately, as the mob of trump supporters at the capitol chanted, hang mike pence, and bashed in the head of police officers defending the building, pence did the only thing the constitution would let him do. he did the right thing. the only option. to the great disappointment of john eastman who spoke at the rally that morning. famously. ahead of the insurrection. denounced the vice president on steve bannon's show that evening, after the crowd stormed the capitol costing several people their lives, cops' heads had been bashed in on live national television. one week later, eastman had to retire from his job as a professor at a california law school. he basically retired in comfort. he is a member of the federalist society. good job federalist society. ultimately, he is part of an important story from this last election. there were more conservatives ultimately in key positions who were willing to do the right, lawful thing than those who were not. there were more brad raffenspergers. there was a phone call to brian kemp urging him to persuade the legislature to overturn biden's victory and order an audit. trump intended to fire a united states attorney in the state because he refused to say that widespread voter fraud had been found in georgia. he plotted with a lawyer at the justice department to pull off a justice department coup where he would oust the acting attorney general and wield the power to force georgia state lawmakers to overturn the results or give them cover to do so. infamously, the former president placed an hour long call to georgia state secretary of state to get him to change the outcome of the vote. >> look, all i want to do is this. i want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state and flipping the state is a great testament to our country. now, we do have a way. but i don't want to get into it. had we found a way in other states -- excuse me. we don't need it because we're only down 11,000 votes. so we don't even need it. >> that's interesting. we found another way. i wondered what it is. i think it's the eastman plot he is talking about. we don't know. eight months later, trump is still at it with this letter. it was sent four days ago. claiming large scale voting fraud continues to be reported in georgia. the number of false and/or irregular votes is greater than needed to change the georgia ee election results. people do not understand why you refuse to acknowledge the facts. brad raffensperger is facing a primary challenge from congressman heis who trump endorsed. we brought you the story of another trump endorsed candidate running in arizona for secretary of state. there's evidence he was one of the key stop the steal architects. he was outside the capitol january 6. he has been involved with the arizona audit. he wants to oversee elections in arizona. just imagine if both of the candidates win those races. if they are in power in those two key swing states when 2024 rolls around or earlier. that john eastman memo gets dusted off. i hate to tell you this, it's a dangerous future for this country unless steps are taken to prevent it from happening. who better to discuss this than brad raffensperger himself. his new book is out november 2. he joins me now. it's good to have you, mr. secretary. let's start with your reaction to getting that letter on september 17 from the ex-president saying you are still stonewalling the proofs -- the proven facts the election was stolen. >> we are not stonewalling anything. we opened up an investigation three or four weeks ago and we are continuing to investigate it. we have investigated everything. when we have our final report, we will hand that over to the state election board. at the end of the day, it has been really now pushing ten months now since the november election. we continue to fight disinformation, misinformation about the election. every allegation that was made, which i put in my book, every one that was made, we found out that it wasn't supported by the facts. they said there was thousands of people that voted that were felons. we found there was no more than 74. they said 66,000 underage voters. there were zero. they said 5,000 or 10,000 dead people. less than a handful. it's things like that. it's tough to -- it takes time. but we do our research. we knew it wasn't based on the fact. it's an issue we have. i'm a life long conservative republican. call me a reagan conservative. i do know at the end of the day, my job is to make sure we have honest and fair elections, and make sure that i follow the constitution and follow state law. >> in terms of following the law, you recorded that -- someone recorded that phone conversation with the president. we all heard it. there's this debate about what exactly to call the thing that we saw unfold between november and january, culminating in that violent mob conconcussing polic officers on the steps of the capitol. how do you characterize what he tried to do in that phone call? >> it's obvious he had been fed information for a long period of time by all of his acolytes. i don't know if he believed it. he would have to ask him. i know books are coming out and his campaign workers were telling him he was behind virtually the whole year of 2020. it should not come to him as a surprise that he came up short. we do have data and we know that in georgia, 28,000 people actually skipped the presidential ballot. they didn't vote for biden, trump, yet they voted below. in the metro area, over 20,000 people more voted for senator purdue than president trump. in the republican congressional areas, over 33,000 votes were received by the congressman than trump. ask the congressmen, how come they didn't campaign harder for president trump. i'm being rhetorical. that's the facts. they didn't have the votes. >> you sound like someone who is -- you have taken a lot of criticism from the president and other folks. i saw they were denouncing folks putting up images of poll remarkers and leading to security threats. when you look at the election in georgia, it seems like there's a lot to be proud of. very high turn zout. a lot of people were able to vote. we saw some voting lines in those first early days of early voting, but over time those shrank quickly. it seemed like it was an efficiently run election. then you have had three counts to verify its accuracy. it seems like this is an election you and georgia should be proud of, 2020. >> our county election directors thought they ran a really good election. look at all the obstacles. we had to get new voting machines up ready for the new election that was happening in 2020. all of a sudden, covid hits. all the issues during that year. afterwards, we feel like we have been beat up. you have to understand the county has run elections in georgia. 159 counties. they did an amazing job. lines were less than two minutes long. everybody was under an hour. >> this sounds to me like a success story. there's been a lot of attention on election administration in georgia. i know you are a supporter of the law that was passed on a strict partisan vote in both houses in georgia, signed by governor kemp. what was the problem that law was trying to solve? you told me about a great election. we know it was accurate. it got counted three times. it has more scrutiny than any other election. lots of people voted. why would you look at that and say, that's a problem we have to fix. why is that a problem? >> if you go back in time, we have been fighting the minute of voter suppression back to the 2018 election. this last election, it was the other side of the coin, which is voter fraud. both of those, what they create is a lack of confidence, lack of voter trust in the system. we moved away now from using signature match. we have gone to driver's license number. this is something used in minnesota for over ten years. i think it's a good, solid process. it's very objective instead of subjective. >> here is my question. here is the thing, you said this, and i heard you say it before, that this is restoring confidence. i read other republicans say that. the reason for the erosion of ballots -- we're going to change the verification procedure. the reason is to restore confidence. the confidence was taken away by lies, constantly told about the election. if i go around saying, brad raffensperger is a gamble, keep him out of casinos and they keep you out and you say why, they say because people think you are a gambler, there's a public perception, that's not a good fluff reason. you can't point to the misinformation and rebuilding confidence as a justification for substantive changes if those were lies being told that eroded the confidence. >> we actually increased the number of days of early voting. that was a great success. we understand we need early voting. we now have 17 days of early voting mandatory. any county that wants to add sunday voting can do that. they can add two sundays. >> that's -- but that's not responsive. there's a bunch of mail-in ballots. there's absentee ballots. verification procedure for them. that verification procedure worked objectively. it was checked three times. you know it and i know it. you guys come in and say, we're going to change that procedure that worked, that was shown to work in more scrutiny than any other election in the country. we're going to change that procedure to restore confidence. what i'm saying is, you can't restore confidence if what erode the confidence was total lies and nonsense which are still being told about the election that you oversaw. >> chris, that's why i wrote my book. at the end of the day, if you boil it all down, if we don't get back to the most basic of things, whics integrity, we are not going to fix anything. we have to have integrity at all levels. at your election directors. they fight hard for that. they want to make sure they run an honest and fair election. you want to make sure they are people of integrity, they won't tilt to the side of whatever their party leanings are. it gets down to integrity. >> i agree on integrity. let me ask you this. there's two investigations that i wanted to get your -- on the record. there's a fulton county investigation of the president's actions. you have said on the record you intend to cooperate with the investigators. i wanted to know, have you had contact with them? have you furnished them with documents or anyone been interviewed by their investigators? >> they have interviewed several staff members and also were sent documents. we intend to comply with that. i don't know what her pace is for that. i think the other one is the congressional -- the january 6 investigation. we will have to wait and see. at the end of the day, we are busy. i want to make sure i can focus in on our elections this year. >> final question, january 6, the bipartisan commission select committee in washington, i think you announced you don't intend to cooperate with them. i wondered if that's your position and why. >> i have noticed that they added a u.s. attorney -- a former u.s. attorney that came from the republican side. i'm seeing it's bipartisan. that's a positive development. we will wait and see. >> okay. georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, thank you very much. i appreciate you making time tonight. >> thank you. how democrats are working to prevent another president like donald trump from abuse the power of the office. today, introducing a bill that would limit presidential powers. adam schiff introduced the bill. he is here to explain how far it goes to prevent anything like the last four years from happening again after this. the last four years from happening again after this and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, 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that have dogged previous investigations. he did not stop there. separate from the work of the committee, congressman schiff introduced a bill today along with other members of the congress that aims to set new limits on presidential power. congressman adam schiff joins me now. first tell me what this bill would do and why it's necessary in the wake of what we have experienced. >> this bill is really modelled after what congress did post watergate, when they enacted a series of reforms designed to address the abuses during the nixon administration. this package of reforms enforces and expedites congressional subpoenas, so that we can't have a new administration tie us up in court year after year after year. it strengthens penalties for violating the hatch act so white house can't hold a political convention on white house grounds. it holds a statute of limitation for presidents who commit crimes so they can't avoid prosecution because they are in office and escape prosecution after they leave because the statute expires. it protects whistle-blowers. it strengthens the justice department. that's a partial list. >> it seems you can imagine a world in which this would be bipartisan. there's a partisan interest here. there's a different branch of government interest. much of what trump did has rendered congressional subpoenas, particularly executive, empty. i imagine republicans will want to use that power again. i think i know my answer to the question. but do you have republicans interested in this as well? >> chris, i hope that we will. of course, they live in fear, so many of them live in fear of an errant statement of the former president criticizing them or supporting pro-democracy efforts if it's viewed as a criticism of his conduct of office. we have to get over that fear factor in terms of the republicans. many of the reforms -- the individual reforms in this bill had republican support in the past. some of the republicans were leaders of efforts to protect inspector generals and whistle-blowers. some republicans introduced legislation in the past to expedite enforcement of congressional subpoenas. i would hope that they would recognize these are things that they should want no matter who the president of the united states is. they ought to be defending their own institutions. if we can't do oversight, we can't be effective. >> i want to play for you something i just said on that question, which is the secretary of state of georgia, i asked him about compliance and cooperation with the january 6th committee. this is what he had to say. >> the vice president in the meeting i had in the oval office with him and the president on january 4th specifically asked me, do you think i have the authority to simply unilaterally decide that certain of these electoral votes are invalid? i said, that's an open question. this is a direct quote. whether or not you have that authority, the fact that the legislatures have not certified the alternate slate of electors would make it foolish to exercise it. that's why at the end of the day, what we were asking is simply that he exceed to request from a number of the state legislatures to delay things so that they were coming back into formal session. their governors refused to call them into special session to deal with this. they were into normal session. they wanted to look at it. >> that was obviously not the secretary of state of georgia. that was the conservative lawyer john eastman who has been advising the former president about essentially how to get mike pence to overturn the election unilaterally through a very tortured reading of his constitutional duties. it seems to me to relate to the project that you are engaged in insofar as the ultimate power is using the power of the office to stay in office. which is what was contemplated here and what it seems to me there needs to be a firewall against. >> absolutely. whether it was the right clip or not, both are very pertinent to what we are doing. we will make a series of recommendations on how to protect our democracy going forward from efforts like the one you just heard described where they would flout the spirit of the law and put our country into a constitutional crisis by trying to overturn the clear election results, the clear will of the voters. we will be addressing that on the january 6 select committee. in terms of what the georgia secretary of state said -- i did hear that where he talked about how he might cooperate with the select committee now that we have republican staff as well as democratic staff. look, our committee is bipartisan. our members are bipartisan. our staff is bipartisan. our work is non-partisan. there's no reason that the secretary should not cooperate with us. i think he has an important story to tell the american people. i will say this, you don't get to pick and decide, i like this committee, i don't like this committee, i like this composition or i don't. when you get a 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>> the sentiments the president expressed saying a stop in colorado, we don't have much more than ten years. the president worked to push his climate agenda through congress, he must face the reality that members of his own party are pushing back which holds a thin majority. joining me is the white house national climate administrator in the obama administration. let's start with the projections from that oxford report. is it the white house's view that we have under estimated the pace of green energy deployment and that actually, we could hit net zero with current pace of deployment by, say, 2040? >> well clearly deployment of clean energy is increasing. last year, we saw solar as the big winner. we expect to see solar moving forward again. but the challenge that we're facing is if you look at the science, it tells us that this is the decisive decade. that's why the president is standing up at the u.n. again assembly and talking about what we need to do now. not 15 years from now and not 30 years from now but how do we take advantage of the shift to clean energy, use it to grow our economies, both in the developing world and the developed world, and how do we use that to grow jobs and build opportunities for people? this is the critical moment, chris. i think you know it and i do. which is why we're looking for significant investments from congress so that we can accelerate the pace of clean energy now. >> how could that be achieved if the climate provisions of the reconciliation package are being authored by an individual who has a very vested interest -- i don't think it's a slander against him to say this. i think he would tell you the same. who has a vested interest for political reasons and other reasons to extend the life of fossil fuel extraction as long as is possible. >> well, i think senator manchin has been a good ally for the president as he worked on the infrastructure deal. we received a good outcome from those negotiations. we're working now with senator manchin and with his staff and others on the hill to look at provisions in the reconciliation bill that are going to be essential. senator manchin is not the enemy. senator manchin is working with us every step of the way. sure, he has questions. sure, he's concerns. but we're working through them. i fully expect we're going to get a significant investment in the reconciliation bill that is going to help us drive this decade to a clean energy future, which we so desperately need if we want to maintain our security, our safety and our health. >> is the u.s. going to meet its paris target this year? >> sure. we have raised our commitment level financially, which the president announced today. we are going to move forward to make sure that our paris commitments, which are about getting us on a path to reduce electricity emissions by 80% by 2030, we're going to have clean electricity by 2035, we are looking at reducing our overall greenhouse gas emissions by 50% to 52% in 2030. and we're going to get to net zero in 2050. i think the ipcc report has shown us that we need to be as aggressive as possible. even the goals we just indicated, we really have to move forward this decade or we won't achieve the kind of escalated reductions that the world needs to protect ourselves and give our kids a good future. we will meet our commitments. >> china -- china's president announced that china will not build new coal-fired power projects abroad. how significant is that? >> it's a big deal, because i think those of us who follow these issues know that china has been funding significant amounts of coal utility investments across the world. i think it's important for all of us, including china, who is the world's biggest or largest carbon emitter right now, to actually work together to make sure that we're not just transitioning our own economies, but expending the resources necessary to deal with this worldwide. >> finally, the president issued an interesting new regulation or at least a direction for development of federal standards aimed at protecting workers from the impact of rising temperatures linked to climate change, we saw during the heat wave in the northwest, numerous people died on the job outside. why take this step? >> well, excess heat or heat stress is called the silent killer in climate. we look at the wildfires, which you mentioned, the hurricanes, the floods, the drought. we can all see that. the silent killer is heat stress. when we saw in june of this year in the pacific northwest, we had higher temperatures than we have ever seen before. our temperatures across the country are record breaking. that resulted in hundreds of excess deaths, thousands of emergency room visits. we put out a plan that across the government we're all working together to identify ways to address heat stress, allocate money to keep our seniors safe, get cooling centers in our schools and protect our workers with new labor standards. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. coming up, the first lawsuits under the new texas abortion law. it's a pretty bizarre situation, to be honest. i will explain why and what to expect from the case after this. . >> tech: every customer has their own safelite story. this couple was on a camping trip... ...when their windshield got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? 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>> well, dr. braid has been providing health care, preventive health care for almost 50 years. he came forward in the "washington post" to say that he had provided care to a patient in her first trimester and that he understood there could be consequences for that. but he is just heartbroken every day when he goes in to his clinic to have to turn so many patients away that he knows he could provide care for. and for many of them, he just doesn't have options to give them, because for them to travel to oklahoma or out of state to new mexico isn't even an option. so he knew that he could be exposed to these lawsuits, but every day he's watching this unconstitutional law affect his patients really in a devastating way. >> there is now a lawsuit that's been filed. one of the things that's weird about this is, you know, there is this notion of standing in the law that people have to have some stake in a case. in a normal environment, this random arkansas guy would have no standing to sue this other person in texas. he's not a party to a dispute, he hasn't been harmed. but the point of the texas law is basically to, like,ie -- eviscerate the standard? what do you know the standard to be? >> the state has says they're going to put these bounies out there for anyone to sue, and any number could sue. every first year law student in america could sue tomorrow. although they have no connection to dr. braid, they have no connection to the doctor in san antonio, it is absolutely absurd. hopefully the two lawsuits that have been filed can get the court to be able to make a decision. a whole coalition of us filed two months ago, long before the law was going to go into effect, so we could get an injunction. ended up with that ruling from the supreme court where they turned their back. the department of justice sued two weeks ago, and they don't have a hearing until october 1st. it's time, past time, for a court to step in. this is an unconstitutional law, it's an untenable situation in texas and it needs to be stopped. >> so, then -- i don't want to get too technical here, but what's the legal procedure? who is going to review this next, right? presumably it's a texas state judge who has been assigned these lawsuits, right? are they the ones that step in and say we're really not going to consider this until the supreme court weighs in or something? >> no, they should be ruling, you know, once dr. braid is actually served and it gets into the court proceedings. they should be ruling that it's unconstitutional. they can't bring this kind of a lawsuit because the law itself is unconstitutional. hopefully that will get the unconstitutionality of the law established, and again, we can push for an injunction statewide about this. >> december 1st there will be arguments in the mississippi case. i know your organization is the lawyer in this case in which the court is being asked just frankly straight up to overturn roe. >> that's right, the supreme court has been asked to overturn roe, and that has not happened in 38 years. they're asking for 40 years of precedent to be overturned that has been reaffirmed again and again and again. the courts bury the american bar association for the first time on the issue of abortion rights itself, and they said, you know, the court's integrity is on the line. >> the great showdown between the anglo-saxons of the world. thank you very much. that is all for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. much appreciate it. when world war i started here in the united states, the president was woodrow wilson. woodrow wilson was bound and determined that the united states would not get itself involved in that war. that really worked for him politically for a while. woodrow wilson was elected in 1912, world war i started in europe two years later, 1914. woodrow wilson really wanted

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