eastman documented the scheme in a stunning memo obtained by the authors and shared with msnbc. and what that memo proposed was nothing short of a coup. it called for pence to site on going disputes over the slate of electors from seven states which pence would declare invalid and toss out. by cancelling the votes trump would be left for majority and pence could gavel him in with pence himself as having been reelected. if democrats object, eastman proposed sending the matter to the house where republican whose control the majority of states would have voted to reelect trump anyway. their theory it was a win, win for trump either way of course, that's not how the process is supposed to work. for one thing, eastman falsely asserted pence as vice president was the ultimate arbiter of any elections that arise. if the shoe was on the other foot, it's hard to believe any republican would be as enthusiastic about kamala harris wielding that power in 2024. while he rejected eastman's plan he was considering similar schemes to keep trump in office. pence consulted former vice president dan quail who rightfully told him he had no power to overturn the election. additionally, these claims and others were vetted by senators mike lee and lindsey graham and even they expressed skepticism. all of this shows how determined trump and his people were to find a way to steal the election, and while they may have failed this time, 2020 could be a dry run for another attempt in 2024. meanwhile, new evidence suggests that the trump campaign knowingly and intentionally lied about supported fraud in 2020. you might recall the days after the november 3rd, trump's lawyers including rudy giuliani and sydney powell held a wild press conference alleging a vast conspiracy by voting machine and voting software companies that also involved george soros and the deceased president of venezuela. now "the new york times" reveals by the time that news conference occurred, trump's campaign had already prepared an internal memo on many of the outlandish claims and the memo determined those allegations were untrue. all these developments will certainly be of interest to the select committee's investigation, which according to congressman jamie raskin is entering an aggressive new phase and joining me now, barbara mcquaid former u.s. attorney and legal analyst, and curt advisor for the d triple c and kathleen, history professor at the university of chicago and coed tore of the new book a field guide to white supremacy. barbara, we know business insider has obtained a list of the states you would expect that this eastman character wanted pence to simply throw out and it was arizona, pennsylvania, georgia, wisconsin, michigan, nevada and new mexico. that actually seems significant because those are the very states where republicans, many of them, where republicans are actively still trying to overturn the election, but if you could explain the legalities, the constitutional reality here about what mike pence's actual powers are and is it possible under the law and under the constitution for anyone to simply throw out the results of entire states in a presidential election? >> joy, the scheme here was unbelievably audious, but it gets chalked up with statutory language. what this lawyer wrote was a strategy to allow mike pence to say i received two sets of electors from these switch states and when two sets are sent, there is a statute that talks about the process that maybe you have to throw them out at the end of the day if you can't decide which are accurate. in fact, there were no two sets of electors that came from any of these states. it may have been dressed up legally but the factual basis wasn't there. i think we got very lucky that mike pence had the integrity to say i'm not going to do this because if he had and people had gone along with this, it then throws the election into the house of representatives, which the constitution does permit. what is so tricky there is that when the house of representatives vote, it is not the entire house that votes, which would have had a democratic majority. it's each state delegation and when you look state by state, it was a republican majority and so i think these two stories together, the one about this scheme and the other one you mentioned about knowing that there was no election fraud says to me that this wasn't just an effort to, you know, aggressively win an election, it was a criminal scheme to over throw the election. >> right. and, you know, before we give pence too much credit, while he may not have gone along with theest -- eastman memo, he contemplated it. i want to go through some others. you have -- by the way, for those curious, this is what the constitution says about the vice president's role. it says the president of the senate, the vice president shall in the presence of the senate open all the certificates and the votes will be counted. his job is like the guy that reads the oscar winner. his job is to open the envelope and say here is who won. he doesn't have another constitutional role but it wasn't -- what we talked about we did our meeting today just talking about this segment, the idea that it was a whole of government almost approach that reached all the way from the president of the united states right through the vice president who did try all the way for them pinging senators to get them to help and it goes all the way down to extremists groups like the proud boys, this is a whole approach of the right and of the republican right to try to make -- to see if there was a way to steal the election. lindsey graham before he gets too much credit for saying no to the eastman memo, he did contact contact brad wrathens burger because he said hey, man, is there a way you can find a way to throw out the -- enough votes in georgia to throw the election to trump? talk about this. this is a real threat. i don't think they're done here, curt. i don't know if you agree. i think this say road test for something they want to try again. >> what we saw during these proceedings is an on going effort by republicans to hijack the democracy. we're seeing it in the laws to do what they could do at the ballot box, not do on january 6th invalidate votes. it is a full fledged threat to democracy. it came within our government. it was being done at the executive level. it's being done in a wide spread effort and i'll tell you this january 6th select committee, if this type of thing happened as democrats were in power and republicans had control of office, they would be hauling every person that had any conversation, any email, any knowledge of any conversation and anything to do with this conspiracy because that's what it was. every single person that took part in this needs to be held accountable for it and answer questions uniter oath and be brought before the committee and before the american people so we have a full and detailed airing of what happened and how the american people's democracy was basically held hostage by these lunatics in an effort to throw out the election and pretty much end the central principles of the united states of america and if anybody thinks they will stop, they need to wake up and pay attention to what is happening now because they're not going to go away. they're not going to stop. they're not undetermined. they will move full forward and if we don't keep congress in 2022, let me tell you, joy, a republican congress will not certify a democrat win in 2024. >> that's the thing. i'm glad you were available to talk to me tonight. the thing is that when you look in isolation at the individual things people on the right are doing, going after critical race theory, trying to replace school board members and claiming they're poisoning the minds of young white children and trying to turnover school board elections based on mask mandates. you put together the white replacement theory stuff and apparently jim jordan is joined people like tucker carlson in pushing. it feels like an approach to say to white americans in the 30%, white conservative christians look, we got to do whatever we got to do to keep you in power and if it means overturning elections or undermining democracy or ending democracy, this is what we have to do because there is a threat to you. fbi director chris wray said domestic terrorism doubled since 2020. let me listen to what the head of the national counterterrorism center her name is christine said on the terrorism threats we face now. take a listen. >> one of the other most pressing threats to the homeland is from domestic violent extremists and in particular, racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists and militia violent extremists that mobilize to violent independent from a formal or centralized organization. >> kathleen, january 6th felt like it was the beginning of sort of a test case for the way that white nationalism could use factious violence to achieve this. am i wrong to take that comprehensive of a view of what we're seeing on the right? >> i don't think so but i do think it's important when we talk about these not to paint with the same brush the violent extremists and the more main line activism happening within the militant right. what we have not studied very much is how those two ground swells joined together and this is part of what was so staggering and stark about january 6th. we're seeing the way organized extremists groups with decades of training and ideology and, you know, military camps and armaments could radicalize in the trump base and stop the steal rally. those coming together moments are really important for what happens next, and one of the remarks that christopher wray made today that really stuck with me is that the case load has more than doubled and that there is an explosion in domestic violence terrorism in this country. the cases are trending up, not down. that's what we should expect based on a historical reading of the events of january 6th because the playbook dedicates quite a lot of time to violence but the playbook that sort of maps out the script for the capitol attack is not about mass violent event that day but about more mass violence to come. so in other words, january 6 th is a show of power to galvanize people further and these groups are opportunistic. they will use whatever is available to mobilize people and we have plenty of social strife to go around. >> well, and very quickly to stay with you for a moment, the difference between what we saw in the 1990s for instance in this kind of extremism, is it was not main streamed in the republican party. people rejected it as out of hand. you wouldn't see republican politicians saying that the people who would do the extremists white nationalist violence were heroic or patriots. what worries me, kathryn is the merger of the politics of norm core republicans where at minimum say they this is okay. if this is part of our base, this is all right. it's almost embraing it in a way that takes it to a different level. >> i think that's absolutely right. i think that slide started after the el paso shooting when there was a talking points memo serk -- circulating by the gop to take focus away from it. we see that in a more concerted way about january 6th when people describe it as a tourist visit, when people intimidate witnesses and companies from giving information. the question has to be what is so scary about really confronting the history of what we have experienced together? and the events that we all saw unfold that day. i think everyone who is acting in good faith should want to understand what happened, who was culpable and who was acting in a criminal way and what was known before hand. >> we would like it if one of the two major political parties would separate itself from it, tlas the piece missing. thank you very much. corey bush joins me for a fight in congress over priorities to keep millions and millions from being evicted. >> what i saw depicted about those individuals treating human beings the way they were is horrible. >> the awful treatment of haitian migrants at the southern border, who they are and how we reach this point. the secretary of homeland security will join me and it would be funny if not so serious. lawsuits with the night court episode. reveal the absurdity of the texas abortion law. 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>> well, we have to. progressives, we've made it very clear that they have to go together. those bills have to go together. reconciliation has to happen. build back better act has to happen in the house and senate before we'll vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. if that is not going to happen, then i don't see this moving forward. the thing is, i believe that i'm ever speaker pelosi understands and i don't believe she likes to bring bills to the floor that may not pass. with us being very clear this is what we want and we will not, i will not support and vote for a bipartisan infrastructure bill that comes before reconciliation because we know that reconciliation won't happen. >> right. and just to be clear, is the progressive caucus to your understanding prepared to withhold all of your votes, which would doom the bill if you don't get that $3.5 trillion bill that's got all these other provisions in it ex extending cd tax care and undocumented immigrants. if that doesn't pass the senate and it doesn't come to you, are you prepared to say we're not voting for the mansion bill, the mansion cinema bill? >> progressives as a whole, progressives are saying that is what we plan to do. i can't speak for every single cpc member. i can't do that necessarily. >> sure. >> because i haven't had those conversations but i know that our chair that has been per talking points as she spoke with speaker pelosi today, we will hold the line. >> progressives, this is the thing people are saying. the margins are so small in the house you-all have a lot of power and if the moderates are willing to flex their power to demand they get the $1.2 trillion mansion sin christian -- bill, this has to go through at some point. this is another issue. this one is difficult. the senate and house both have to deal with this. a prolonged debt ceiling breach, this is what moody says it would mean. 6 million jobs lost. $15 million in household wealth loss. do you think that should be something used as leverage by democrats because now on the senate side, mitch mcconnell said democrats have to do this on their own so it's democrats and democrats negotiating this. >> as we talk about leverage, joy. what we're really saying is the people in our community thals that are suffering struggling for such a long time, long before the last 18 months with this global, deadly pandemic were struggling before that. what we're seeing is no, you don't need the investments in medicare. you don't need to add dental and vision. you don't need that. you don't need universal prek. we don't care that you get the climate investments that you need especially those from my communities that are black and brown that actually have issues with asthma, lead, asbestos in this communities. you don't need that. we're in a position where we're comfortable being in congrelsz -- congress and we don't have to worry. that's what we're talking about. we want to make sure direct investments happen for our community and now. we introduce a bill to keep renters safe. right now, we have renters being evicted. they have been bing evicted for the last several weeks. that is not okay. that can be a death sentence for many. that's why we put together a bill along with senator elizabeth warren saying that the department of health and human services has the permanent authority to be able to enact, to be able to implement a federal eviction moratorium during a public health crisis. so that's what this is about. i am not going to stand and keep my mouth closed while my colleagues, who are comfortable get to go and make decisions. we'll wait until 2022 to make a decision on reconciliation. the climate crisis isn't waiting until 2022. that isn't going to happen. our children need to be in school so their parents can go to work won't wait until 2022. prescription drug reform, that cannot wait. that is something we've been waiting on for so long and now that i'm here, see, they messed up letting me get here. now that i'm here i'll use every tool in my tool box to make sure our voices are heard and we use and pull all of those levers to get what our people need. st. louis is going to get it. [ laughter ] >> you know what? i feel like what you're saying is what so many voters, particularly voters of color and lower income voters and voters who really need change, not want change but need it, that is what they wanted to hear that members of congress are willing to stand firm on the principle that y'all were sent here to change people's actual lived lives. so i just want to commend you-all for standing strong. please keep us posted on what happens with the rent relief bill. we'll have you back on as much as you want to come on and keep us posted on what happens with the caucus. thank you so much congresswoman corey bush. you're wonderful. thank you for being here. homeland security is going to join us about what is happening in texas with haitian migrants but first, president biden makes his first appearance on the world stage with an address at the u.n. what is the biden doctrine and did boris johnson call him -- why did boris johnson call him a breath of fresh air? stay with us. breath of fresh air? 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>> well, not every president needs a doctrine and i don't know that joe biden has one yet, but he's got a theory of the case, which is this. these endless wars overseas don't make the country safer and it's time to acknowledge the most significant threats of the country are not conventional military threats, are not potential invading armies. they are things like pandemic disease, climate change and the erosion of democracy. and so he looks at the way in which we spend money in this country, $700 billion on conventional military assets like planes and aircraft carriers but then only $12 billion on global public health, and he thinks to himself likely that doesn't seem to actually be a proper allegations of resources to protect the country. so i think he's telegraphing to the world that by withdrawing from afghanistan it will allow the country to pivot and spend money on the fights to matter to all of us, not just exclusive to the u.s. foreign policy establishment class. >> one of the things that biden has promised to work with congress and double u.s. climate funding to $100 million, that's money we would have been spending perhaps in afghanistan, he calls climate change the war without borders. he did say on covid that the u.s. has given more than 15 billion towards the global pandemic response. that's the spending you're talking about. i wonder as someone that serves in the united states senate and complications there how do we get u.s. politicians, many of whom are invested in the military complex because the pieces of whatever jet it is are built in their communities providing jobs and a lot of people are died very close to those old ways of doing business. in the current political climate, is it even possible to move people away from that? >> republicans today are obsessed over china and many democrats, as well. i do agree that the contest between the united states and china will likely find the next 50 years. we should watch the chinese and understand that they celebrate every single day that we are so misresourced. we're so loaded up on conventional military assets and so under resourced to fight them on economic diplomacy. they do big development deals knowing the united states has no capacity to do it ourselves. the way to bring republicans into this conversation is ask them to look at the ways in which russia and china are growing influence and come to the realization. this is lots of jobs to be had if we're helping other countries build energy and connections to renewable energy. those can be u.s. companies that do that work. those can be u.s. manufacturers supplying the equipment. so there is plenty of u.s. jobs to be had if we're engage in a different kind of foreign policy other than just the projection of military power. >> yeah, i can tell down that china is all over the african continent and caribbean in our backyard, very aggressively doing deals and things that we ought to be trying to do, as well. let me let you listen poor ris -- boris johnson. >> what i will say dealing with joe biden, it is a breath of fresh air there are some things we can really, really work together and you knew i would bring it up. climate change. he's great on that. he wants to cut co 2, he wants to get to net zero by 2050 and he shares with me a basic view that you can do this without penalizing the economy. >> he also called the afghan withdrawal a massive logistical success. it's odd because i think a lot of people presumed that boris johnson was sort of favorable toward donald trump but it does seem, at least just outside looking in, like the relationship between our old ally and biden is warmer. does that make a difference anymore? 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why are thousandscoming to the border of the u.s.? large numbers have been living for years in south america having fled their country after a devastating earthquake ten year ace go but instability and misinformation about the biden administration's policies triggered the mass exit you see today. this while haiti is a country on the brink of collapse weeks after the president was assassinated. gangs control roughly a third of the capital of port-au-prince and jobs are sparse. if they find a job. 60% of the people earn less than $2 a day. today white house press secretary jen psaki told reporters administration is considering giving temporary perspective status to some haitians on the boarder but expulsions continue to stop the spread of covid-19. while in new york today to address the u.n., president biden said they will get the situation under control. joining me is mayorkas. who were these agents on horseback? why were they permitted to operate in this way and is this a standard procedure to corral people using horseback maneuvers that really look like you're herding cattle. >> joy, thank you very much for having me on the show. the matter is under investigation as i mentioned to the vice president today, when we spoke earlier. let me be very, very clear. i, too, was horrified by the images captured by photographers with respect to the activities of border patrol agents of horseback. we do not condone, we do not tolerate any mistreatment of any migrant. what we did is we directed an immediate investigation of the events that were captured in the photographs and on video. we -- i have ensured that the top leadership of the office of professional responsibility lead that investigation and that it be conducted thoroughly and swiftly. we need this resolved swiftly and in fact, i anticipate that the results of the investigation will be available by the end of next week and i've committed to making the results public. i also alerted, we, the department alerted the department office of inspector general third, i directed that the office of professional responsibility be on site in del rio 24/7 to make sure that the conduct of our employees is consistent with the policies, the training and values of this department. lastly, if i may, the individuals who are the subject of the investigation are oned a -- administrative duties not executing duties and not to be interacting with other migrants at this time. the actions we're taking are swift and strong and we will take further action as the facts adduced in the investigation compel. >> that answered my second question, whether those were dhs employees. you answered that question. thank you. let's talk about where we go from here in terms of why people are being sent back. we know haiti is completely unstable. the political climate there is bad and the health climate and physical climate, why would anyone at this stage particularly a child or a mother a family, why would anyone be deported back to haiti at this point? why would the u.s. do that? >> we make a determination that departments of home land security and state make a determination whether the conditions in the country are such that the country can receive its nationals in it. and what we did is we evaluated those country conditions and made a determination several months ago that temporary protective status was justified based on the conditions in the country at that time for individuals already resident in the united states, and we said those individuals, those haitian nationals resident in the united states on or before july 29th could actually remain in the united states and would not be returned to haiti. we have made a determination that the country is capable of receiving nationals subsequent to that date and that's why they're being returned there. >> let me let you listen to senate majority leader chuck schumer. he's calling to an end to the policy called title 4 2 based on trying to mitigate covid-19 spread. take a listen. >> i urge president biden and secretary mayorkas to put a stop to these expulsions and end this title 42 policy at the southern border. we cannot continue these hateful and trump policies that disregard the laws. we must allow asylum seekers to present their claims at the ports of entry and be afforded due process. >> we know some 20,000 haitians right now are gathered in colombia for possible migration to the u.s. we know that your agency, the department of homeland sec security are tracking 1500 in panama. it is not illegal to seek asylum in the united states. the u.s. established many protocols we think of worldwide. it is not illegal to seek asylum. will the department of homeland security stop deporting people and allow them to apply for asylum? >> joy, let me be clear about what title 42 is and what it is not. it is not an immigration policy. it is an authority that the centers for disease control has in light of public health imperatives. title 42 is a public health policy that is directed by the cdc and it has been employed as a result of the trajectory of the covid-19 pandemic. this is a pandemic, of course, that has not only gripped our nation and led to the loss of more than 600,000 lives but it is a pandemic that has gripped the entire world. this is a public health imperative as determined by the cdc. this is not a matter not a matt immigration policy. >> but it is also a humanitarian issue, because one has to suspect that given what's going on in haiti, people would be at much more risk of getting covid-19, of getting sick if they are sent back to haiti. regardless of that, there are quarantining policies the united states could use. does dhs plan to listen to what senator schumer has said and to stop deporting people and deal with the pandemic issues on the ground in the united states? >> it is currently our government's intention to continue to exercise our title 42 authority in light of the public health imperative as determined by the centers for disease control. title 42 is the subject of ongoing litigation in the courts for some of the reasons, joy, that you have expressed. we believe the law permits the exercise of that authority, and that is why we are pursuing that authority in court. but it is a public health imperative. >> then how would -- let's say you have a family that is right now in mexico or in another central american country that wants to pursue an asylum claim in the united states, has come from haiti. how do they do that? >> this is precisely why we are focused on a multi-part strategy to address irregular migration, which has been a phenomenon for so many years. in fact, a number of decades. we are addressing the root causes of irregular migration, why people feel so desperate to leave the countries of origin, their homes. number two, building safe, legal, orderly pathways for migration so people don't have to take the perilous journey north. third, we are addressing and rebuilding our asylum laws here in the united states that were so fundamentally dismantled by the prior administration. that's why we have a three-part strategy. if i may, because you alluded to this earlier, and it's very important, your point is very well taken. people are receiving incorrect information from smugglers who are exploiting individuals' vulnerabilities for profit. and we are very focused on ensuring that these individuals, these families, these single adults receive accurate information that this is not the way to come to the united states. do not take the dangerous journey. it will not work. that is why we are so focused on it and why i communicated to haitian journalists this past sunday so that critical message could be broadcast through my voice on social media and through other trusted voices throughout the region. >> thank you very much for being here. we are out of time. secretary mayorkas, thank you. i want to reiterate, it's not illegal to seek asylum in the united states. it's not. we need to talk about this in that language. don't go anywhere. introducing fidelity income planning. we look at what you've saved, what you'll need, and help you build a flexible plan for cash flow that lasts, even when you're not working, so you can go from saving... to living. ♪ let's go ♪ [music: "i swear"] jaycee tried gain flings for the first time the other day... and forgot where she was. you can always spot a first time gain flings user. ♪ can you be free of hair breakage worries? 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