Tonight that i learned from you what actually happened at the capitol. On saturday i had no idea, consumed none of it. What that rally, what that thing that was supposed to be a rally turned out to be. Acres of free parking for everyone who showed up. Amazing. Yeah, when you think that every officer in the u. S. Capitol police and every officer in the metropolitan Police Department of washington, d. C. , were on duty because of that, plus all of the fences and it was like one dude and his dog and a woman doing yoga. Better to be over prepared, than under prepared, but my god, it was quite a dud. Lets hope that its a positive indicator about where this whole Election Fraud Thing really stands, that thats how much public support it could muster on a saturday. Yeah, yeah, i feel like all the other signs were bad, but that sign was good. Yeah, we will see. Thank you, rachel. Thank you, lawrence. Bob Woodwards Trilogy on the trump White House is now complete. First came fear, then came rage, and now peril. A Bob Woodward Book is like a large Christmas Tree with dozens and dozens and dozens of unique ornaments that youve never seen before, News Media headlines immediately focused on the biggest and most important ornaments on that tree, and we all eagerly read those first news reports about a Bob Woodward Book. But the reason to read the book, the reason to order this Book Tonight or get it at your Bookstore Tomorrow is to see how the whole story fits together and see all of those ornaments on the tree that the News Media never gets to because there are just too many of them. The little jewels that arent quite so newsworthy like Donald Trumps views on body fat, on page 28, Donald Trump tells his overweight attorney general William Barr this about his weight. You hold it well, bill. You carry it well. Be careful because if you lose too much weight, your skin is going to start becoming saggy. And on page 125 after Kellyanne Conway gets covid19, Donald Trump tells her, quote, you have 0 body fat, honey. Honey you have if you have 0 body fat, youre fine. And then there is the gem of Mitch Mcconnell gleefully calling Donald Trump a moron to his colleague in the republican senate, on page 26, the book has Mitch Mcconnell happily enjoying the 2017 story about Donald Trumps first secretary of state, Rex Tillerson calling Donald Trump a moron after trump left a meeting at the pentagon. Page 127. Do you know why tillerson was able to say he dnt call the president a Moron Mcconnell would dryly ask colleagues in his kentucky drawl . Because he called him an fing moron. Msnbcs Stephanie Ruhle correctly reported it at fing moron at the time. The peril described in the Woodward And Costa book is actually a range of perils from Donald Trump ordering the launch, possibly ordering the launch of nuclear missiles to Donald Trump nuking the constitution. Those were the perils that we were facing. There has been much News Coverage of the precautions the chairman of the joint Chief Of Staffs general Mark Milley took to prevent Donald Trump from being able to launch a nuclear attack on china as part of a Coup Attempt for Donald Trump to hold onto the presidency after he lost the election in november. We will discuss that in a moment with Bob Woodward and Robert Costa. The book doesnt tell us what might have gone through Donald Trumps mind about launching a nuclear attack or possibly launching a nuclear attack, but it is filled with details about what went through Donald Trumps mind and what came out of his mouth about his attack on the constitution. For Donald Trump, after he lost the Election Holding onto the presidency was all up to his Vice President , Mike Pence. Donald trump wanted Mike Pence on January 6th to simply not count the electoral votes from some states won by Joe Biden so that Donald Trump would then end up with the largest number of electoral votes and be declared the winner of the presidency or so the Electoral College could choose the representative, and since each state in the house only gets one vote, 26 majority states in the House Of Representatives would then have given the presidency to Donald Trump. On January 5th, the night before the Electoral College votes were to be counted in congress, Donald Trump told Mike Pence that he could and should reject biden electors. Page 228. That is all i want you to do, mike, trump said, let the house decide the election. What do you think, mike, trump asked . Pence returned to his mantra. He did not have the authority to do anything other than count the electoral votes. Well, what if these people say you do, trump asked . Gesturing beyond the White House to the crowds outside, raucous Cheering And Blasting Bull Horns could be heard through the Oval Office windows. If these people say you have the power, wouldnt you want to, trump asked . I wouldnt want any one person to have that authority, pence said, but wouldnt it almost be cool to have that power, trump asked . No, pence said. Look, ive read this and i dont see a way to do it. Weve exhausted every option. Ive done everything i could and then some to find a way around this. Its simply not possible. My interpretation is no. Ive met with all of these people, pence said. Theyre all on the same page. I personally believe that these are the limits to what i can do, so if you have a strategy for the 6th, it really shouldnt involve me because im just here to open the envelopes. You should be talking to the house and senate. Your team should be talking to them about what kind of evidence theyre going to present. No, no, no, trump shouted. You dont understand, mike, you can do this. I dont want to be your friend anymore if you dont do this. Youre not going to be sworn in on the 20th. There is not a scenario in which you can be sworn in on the 20th, pence said. We need to figure out how to deal with it, how we want to handle it, how we want to talk about it. Trumps voice grew louder. You can weak, you lack courage. You betrayed us. I made you. You were nothing, trump said. Your career is over if you do this. Pence did not budge. The Pence Adviser Tom rose Saw Pence leave the Oval Office, one of pences closest friends, rose later told Others Pence looked chalk white like someone who had received terrible news at a hospital. Once pence left, trump opened a door near the resolute desk. A rush of Cold Air blasted the room. Trump left the door open. The muffled Sound Track of excited screams and yells from his supporters filling the room, the noise outside grew louder, almost like a party. Isnt that great, trump exclaimed is this tomorrow is going to be a big day. Leading off our discussion tonight, Bob Woodward, twotime Pulitzer Prize winning author, Robert Costa national political reporter for the washington post. They are the coauthors of the new already best seller peril. Bob woodward, let me begin with you, and that scene just described, thats in your book, on January 5th, this is the night before what became an attack on the capitol and theres the president of the united states believing and insisting to his Vice President that he can change the outcome of the president ial election the next day. Mike pence saying ive tried, in effect. Ive hoped that i could find a way to do that, and i cant find it. And thats how close we came to a different electoral College Count in the congress the next day. Yes, more than that. Actually, the legitimacy of the presidency was at stake because if pence had wavered at all and stood there in the senate and the house and said i cant decide, im going home, we would have had a constitutional crisis like weve never seen before in this country. But pence did stick to the law and the constitution, but it was not a direct path, and the reporting that Bob Costa and i did shows very clearly that pence was looking looking for a way to accommodate trump. In the end, i think pressure from lawyers and friends and advisers and pences own sense of conservative republicanism was okay, im going to do the right thing here. But it was not a pure call at the beginning. And Robert Costa, theres a scene in the book of Mike Pence calling former republican Vice President Dan Quayle to get his advice about this. Dan quayle had that job in 198 1993, i guess it was, where they failed on their Reelection Campaign and he as Vice President had to deliver basically open the envelopes, as they put it, open the envelopes showing Bill Clinton won. Indeed, January 6th, 1993, Dan Quayle as Vice President certifying the victory on that day for then president clinton, Vice President gore, and he largely disappeared from the american political scene in recent decades, but he remains close to his fellow Hoo Sier and fellow republican. The pressure for President Trump and Vice President quayle based on our reporting kept telling pence, you cant do this, mike. Were friends, were both indiana republican Vice President s. You just Cant Move forward. And Bob Woodward and i were talking recently about that January 5th scene, too, lawrence, and the most striking scene to me is after pence leaves the Oval Office on January 5th, we have in our book, President Trump opening the door on a freezing night, January 5th with the future rioters outside, his supporters outside in the streets of washington, and in the frigid air having the gust of air come into the Oval Office, and he wouldnt close the door. He said to his aides in the Oval Office. Listen to them, these are my supporters, they want us to act tomorrow on January 6th, and even some of his own aides were shivering in the Oval Office that night. The President Wouldnt close the doors. He wanted to hear the cries of his supporters. Its a chilling scene for the reader. It is so cinematic, and you do this in so many scenes where you take us beyond the important text. Theres always an important text in the room of what was said, but then theres more in that room than what was said, and that for me is what the book is about. Thats what distinguishes the book in so many ways from the News Accounts and why you really to get the full picture of any one of these moments you really have to hold the book in your hands and see everything that occurred in these rooms. Bob woodward, the danger of Nuclear War is something that has been theres two moments that were aware of, and were aware of them from your reporting, one from the final days of Richard Nixon where you and Carl Bernstein reported on the end of the Nixon Presidency and how there was Concern And Worry in the administration about would Richard Nixon, in order to try to save his presidency through crisis possibly launch some kind of nuclear attack and that is echoed in this book. Well, it actually happened, milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs internally with the senior staff developed this notion of the absolute darkest moment of theoretical possibility. In other words, he had to look at the bad things that could happen, and he realized after a very long call where we have the transcript in the book with Speaker Pelosi and pelosi is saying you have got to find some way to guarantee that trumps not going to start a war or use nuclear weapons, and milley is pushing back in the call, and then he realizes pelosis right. Ive got to do something, and in one of the most dramatic findings in the reporting that Bob Costa and i did, milley actually calls in the people from the War Room in the pentagon called the national military Command Center into his office one Star Admiral or one Star Brigadier General in the army, and some colonels, and he says to them i want you to make sure if theres an order just not for the use of nuclear weapons but any sort of military action, that i will be included. You call me. And he literally goes around the room and looks each person in the eye and says have you got that . Have you got that . Yes, sir, yes, sir. And this is equivalent to what secretary of Defense Schlesinger did in the nixon years, insisting that he be involved. In this case, milley stepped in because the acting Secretary Of Defense Chris Miller at that point had just been appointed and pelosi didnt trust miller, i think milley was not sure, so he seized this moment in a way to protect the country from this theoretical possibility of a catastrophe. And lawrence, just to real quick just jump in on that, i think its very important for people to read the full book to get the context of what Chairman Milley was doing. Page 129 is so important. When he reaches out to General Lee, the chinese general, hes trying to make it seem like a routine call, and these calls can be routine between chairmen and foreign military leaders. But hes trying to reassure him when he says were going to let you know if were going to attack at some point, that this is how its always been throughout history. Read the full conversation. Hes trying to calm down General Lee and the chinese during a very tense situation just days before the elect, october 30th, 2020, and the whole book is about the context of our reporting and not just things that are pulled out or cherry picked. Were going to have to squeeze in a commercial Break Right here. When we come back, i want to talk about that call that general Milley Made and the controversy that it has sparked since your reporting has become public. Well be right back with Bob Woodward and Robert Costa. The authors of peril. Peril. Without my medication, my small tremors would be extreme. I was diagnosed with parkinsons. I had to retire from law enforcement. It was devastating. One of my medications is Three Thousand Dollars per month. Prescription drugs do not work if you cannot afford them. Aarp is fighting for americans like larry, and we wont stop. Thats why were calling on congress to let medicare negotiate lower Prescription Drug prices. 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Com back with us Bob Woodward and rob costa, coauthors of the instantly best selling book peril, general milley calls his counterpart in china, and the most controversial thing, as far as i can tell from your reaction from it, that he said was first of all, guarantees him dont worry, no attack. We know you people are suspecting Donald Trump might launch an attack as a way of hanging onto power, and then theres the part where he says, im paraphrasing, if there is any kind of attack, i will warn you. I will let you know. Youve seen the criticism of general milley about this. He hasnt offered any public comment about it. If general milley could answer the criticism hes been getting about this, what would you expect him to say . Well, im not going to guess about what he might say. We know from our reporting what happened. You have to understand what this day was. It was four days before the election, october 30th, and intel, sensitive intelligence shows that the chinese think were going to launch an attack on them. Now, this is the worst moment for somebody in the military because as milley tells his senior staff, if that were the case, if they think were going to attack them, they might launch what milley told the senior staff would be a Pearl Harbor on us. So he moves to protect the country, and i think at the center of all of this we should say the reporting we did shows that Everything Milley did was to protect the country. The idea that he committed treason is totally unsupported by i mean, there is just nothing in our reporting, and when he says to General Lee, head of the chinese military, if we are going to attack you, i will call you. But in the context, if you read i was going to suggest you read page 129 because the whole answer is there. Hes saying not that hes going to tip him off, but the tensions will build up. This is the way it always happened in history, and then he said were not going to have a fight. And General Lee says i accept it, i believe it, and every step, all these calls, all milleys actions, now hes going to testify later this month. I mean, thank god we have congress, which will make an effort to get to the bottom of this and let him explain why he did things, but our reporting, zero evidence, absolutely zero evidence of some sort of treason or the idea of doing something not in the interest of protecting the country. This is a man who devoted his entire life to the united states military. And you know, hes going to have to answer for himself, but if people like Donald Trump who have said, oh, what milley did, if this is true, this is treason, i think when everything comes out about all of this and we get the facts on the table, a lot of people who have accused milley of treason are going to be apologizing to milley because they have misread what happened and they have misread the extent to which he has committed his Life Decade after decade. Now, did he make are some things unclear, the testimony before congress that hes going to give i guess its on the 27th, its going to be some of the most important testimony given to congress in decades, i think. You have other reporting in the book about another congressional investigation thats underway right now, and that is the investigation of the January 6th attack on the capitol. And you have reporting on kevin Mccarthys Phone Call to Donald Trump during the attack on the capitol. This is from the book where you have Kevin Mccarthy calling Donald Trump saying youve got to get out and tell these people to stop. I am out of the capitol. Weve been run over, mccarthy said. He was intense, someone just got shot. Ill put a tweet out, trump said. Ive never seen anything like this, mccarthy said. Youve got to tell them to stop. Youve got to get them out of here, get them out of here now. He never asked about Mccarthys Safety and one remark stood out, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. Robert costa, thats a conversation that the investigative committee about January 6th wants to get even more detail on. Theres so much in this book that is of interest to that committee. Kevin mccarthy has kind of changed his tune about all this since then. What does your reporting indicate we would learn if Kevin Mccarthy was put under oath in that Hearing Room in that investigation . What Bob Woodward and i found is that Kevin Mccarthy, the House Minority Leader and Leader Mcconnell in the senate, theyre kind of the surface of the republican party, but that isnt the whole story. You look at January 5th, we discovered that steve bannon, the former White House strategist, was there at the Willard Hotel blocks from the White House with Rudy Giuliani having an almost War Room Type Meeting with other trump allies the eve before the January 6th insurrection. And President Trump calls into this Willard Hotel informal War Room to talk to giuliani, to talk to bannon, and bannon had actually been in close touch with President Trump for days before January 6th. Based on our reporting he privately told President Trump to have a reckoning on January 6th, and he said to the president its time to kill the Biden Presidency in the crib. You cant get more visceral than that, but the intertwining roles of bannon, giuliani, trump allies on the outside who are at the rally at the White House, thats a story beneath the story of mccarthy and mcconnell. Both important dynamics to understand, and we try to lay them out scene by scene. Theres so much more i want to get to that we wont get to here, just tip of the Iceberg Elements like bill Barrs Campaign Advice to Donald Trump, long extensive conversations about the president ial campaign, very surprising from an attorney general advising a president on that, but theres another whole section of the book, which is about Someone Else, which is about Joe Biden. And Bob Woodward, that makes this the first Trump Book that constantly is cutting to sanity. Its cutting from the madness of the trump White House to the sanity and the stability of what Joe Biden brings to both the president ial campaign and then the White House. The Biden Story Begins A Year and a half with a year and a half left in the biden Vice Presidency when Beau Biden dies on may 30th, 2015, and on page 13, you tell this story. Joe biden was devastated. This is going to be a very tough time for me personally, biden told Steve Riccheti his Chief Of Staff for nearly 30 years, the only way im going to be able to get through this, he said, and well be able to get through this as a family, is if we just, you know, you have to keep me working and busy. Ricchetti loved biden, the resilience, the generosity, the friendliness if biden said he knew he, he reflected to others that sometimes it sounds almost cruel, but keeping busy meant taking another hard look at a president ial campaign. Theres so much in there that is so different from Trump World and Steve Ricchetti is one of a cast of several devoted career long devoted people working for Joe Biden who love him, ron klain, others in this book. That kind of Support Character around Donald Trump doesnt exist. The person whos been with him for a long time, who loves him, whos devoted to him and has wise counsel for him. What is this what do you think the reader should take out of this book about not necessarily, not political positions or wins and losses in congress, but how Joe Biden and the people he has brought into the White House run the White House . Well, its a different cast , and its a different theory of the case. When Bob Costa and i talked about doing this book, we realized because biden is the current president we need to show what he does and maybe 40 of the book. It lays out who he is, what he cares about. There are some missteps. Theres some problems. At the same time, you Cant Report On Biden and understand that the core of him is and this isnt a political judgment. Its a reporting fact, that the core of him is lets protect the country. Lets do the best that we can. And so there is that back and forth. The point of the book, the larger point in peril, lawrence, is that trump was created a national security crisis, and that is what we didnt know about until we could get some of these details. Bob woodward, thank you very much. You have done it again. Robert costa, thank you very much for joining us. I could go On And on, Robert Costa, i have so many questions about what its like to work with the master and take on the Carl Bernstein role of coauthor on one of these books. Thank you both very, very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. And we want to tell our viewers that Bob Woodward and Robert Costa will be on Morning Joe tomorrow, and Mary Trump will join us next. Trump will join us next. Its another day. And anything could happen. It could be the day you welcome 1,200 guests and all their devices. Or it could be the day theres a cyberthreat. Get ready for it all with an advanced network and managed services from comcast business. 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I see trees of Green Red roses too i see them bloom for Me And You music so i think to myself oh What A Wonderful World and Bob Woodward and Robert Costas new book, peril, they report the increasing concerns of the chairman of the joint Chief Of Staffs general Mark Milley about Donald Trumps Mental Health after Donald Trump lost his Reelection Campaign. Quote, milley had witnessed up close how trump was routinely impulsive and unpredictable. Making matters even more dire, milley was certain trump had gone into a serious mental decline in the aftermath of the election with trump all but Manic Screaming at officials and constructing his own alternate reality about endless conspiracies. You never know bhat President S Trigger Point is milley told senior staff. When might events and pressures come together to cause a president to order military action. Joining us now is Mary Trump, author of the book the reckoning our Nations Trauma and finding a way to heal. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. There is so much material on your uncles Mental Health in this book as perceived by general milley and others. Weve talked about some of it, some of it we have yet to get to. But when you see Everything General Milley is going through, everything hes reacting to and his concerns, what do you know about your uncle that youre sure general milley was seeing in these situations . What general milley was seeing was desperation. I dont believe that there was a sudden precipitous decline in donalds psychological health. He had never been psychologically healthy, and weve been Hearing Reports for the last five years about his erratic behavior, his outbursts, his temper, his inability to focus or grasp even the most basic information. What happened after he lost the election was the incredible stressor of having for the first time in his life lost something that he couldnt lie, cheat, or steal his way out of. So his desperation is what general milley was dealing with, and i have No Doubt in my mind that it made donalds behavior even more alarming, even though i dont think it pointed to a mental decline. There are so many passages in this book, when i get in there and read every line that make me think of you, make me think, oh, Mary Trumps reaction to this, and theres this moment where hes been told that you cannot, you know, you just cannot use the Insurrection Act to bring troops to washington, d. C. , to take over and crush all protests that were happening in the middle of the summer there. And so your uncle then screams, who do you think you are, trump screamed at esper, you took away my authorities. Youre not the president. Im the god damn president. And im not sure that theres another president in the united states who ever said anything like that at any point in the Oval Office because every previous hold er of that office i think was pretty confident at all times who the president was. Not only were they confident, but they understood how the american government worked. Donald had no authority to invoke the Insurrection Act under those circumstances, and the fact that he felt thwarted just tells us how dangerous it is to put somebody in a position of that much power who, one, doesnt understand what his job is, and, two, is unwilling to learn and, three, feels entitled to having absolute control and power. So i think that we really dodged a bullet in the sense that donald didnt have quite enough time to install his cronies at the various departments because he was on his way to doing just that. Theres a passage in here about the first rally, the first rally that Donald Trump had after covid started. He couldnt stand it anymore, and on june 20th, 2020, he had that rally in oklahoma. Herman cain was there and Herman Cain died a few weeks later of covid19. That event itself was considered a superspreader event, but it was a thinly populated trump rally. It was a much smaller crowd than anyone expected to show up there, and so from the book we have this we have your uncle saying this about that rally. Biggest fing Mistake Trump said at an oval meeting office, i shouldnt have ever done that fing, rally calling Brad Parscale an fing moron. That was the Campaign Manager at the time who got demoted in the campaign after that event. Not a word at any point from your uncle about Herman Cains death. Theres nothing in the book about his sympathies for Herman Cain who attended that event. Well, i wouldnt expect for there to be. I mean, first of all the fact that Herman Cain died of covid, which potentially he got at that rally would contradict Donalds Narrative that it was a hoax or it wasnt a big deal. Secondly, it just shows you that this is a person whos incapable of empathy. Hes incapable of caring about other Human Beings except to the extent that they can be of use to him, and this is somebody whose only barometer for how things are going in the world is how many people attend his rallies or how many people pay attention to him, which again, is another reason why we need to figure out a way to strengthen our system to prevent this kind of person from ever ascending to power again. Quickly before we go, one thing that constantly surprises me in this book are a stream of people from Paul Ryan on saying i just cant believe what this guy is like, and they all i dont get it because he seemed incredibly, totally transparent to me as a campaigner for the president. He was absolutely consistent as a deranged campaigner for the presidency. He was advertising that the presidency will have a deranged person in the Oval Office, and these people ended up being surprised that he really was as crazy as he appeared to be. I think thats what they call revisionist history. And just covering yourself because that is impossible. If they were paying the slightest bit of attention, they know exactly who they were dealing with. He was the same in 2015 as he was in 2020 as he was in 2000, you know . So its just a way of changing the narrative away from their responsibility, which they refuse to admit, which is, again, another problem. They didnt stay and try to fix the problem. They ran away from it. Mary trump, thank you very much for joining us once again. We always appreciate it. Thank you, lawrence. Thank you. 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Weisselbergs attorney Brian Scarlotos argued for more time to review 6 Million pages of Discovery Documents and according to Bloomberg News nodded to the existence of other possible defendants when he pointed out that just before mondays hearing began prosecutors had turned over a box of Tax Records for the company The New York Times reports calimeris lawyers told The New York Times today the judge extended the time for Trial Preparation and made the trial for about a year from now. Thank you for both joining us. Susan, the speculation immediately goes to coconspirators, who are you talking about and who might these new indictments be . A lot of Speculation Tonight including Donald Trump as a possible defendant because there are reports that he may have signed some of the checks to allen weisselberg. Thank you. Its hard to know who the other individuals may be who may be charged. But the indictment clearly identifies evidence against other trump employees and other Trump Organization executives. There is reference in the indictment to trump himself having signed some checks that went for tuition, i believe, of one of the Trump Organization folks children at school. But the indictment itself made this very clear a few months ago when we first saw it, that there was evidence of other employees being complicit in this same type of tax evasion. We dont know but it could be a number of individuals at the Trump Organization. I am sure the names started rolling through your headed to as soon as you heard coconspirators. It is not a huge population of people. Clearly this organization is targeting trump. They have gone to great length to get his personal tax returns and corporate tax returns. And calimeri is a person of interest. I imagine they have thought about jason greenblat. And of course, trumps three eldest children. Thats everyone who would have been involved in the kinds of things the d. A. Would be looking at. Its Worth Remembering that at the end of the day there wouldnt be anything of substance without Donald Trump signing and approving it. I just think they are working up the ladder of trump, but they will go through a population of people i mentioned to you. Susan, on timetable, i imagine different motions as Discovery Information is developed and motions to suppress this or that and then appeals of those rulings on those motions. We could be a long way from trial. Absolutely. The Trial Date that was set for one year from now, approximately one year is probably not a firm Trial Date. One, if other defendants are brought into the case, that will delay the case because they will be given substantial time to review these millions of pages and charges. If other defendants are brought in, there will be Severance Motions as well. Various people at trial would say it is not fair for me to be at trial with someone pointing their finger at me. Its a reasonable Trial Date in a While Collar Case in a case with financial documents. And you know the mind of Donald Trump. You have written a book about him. He sued you and lost on a socalled Libel Case on the book you wrote about him. Tell us what you think Donald Trumps reaction to be to this legal process so far including todays session. I think he is like a mob boss. He is going to make sure, to the extent that he can, that the people around him, including his eldest children, dont throw him under the bus if they are facing prison terms themselves. But we just dont know yet how severe that situation is going to be. I dont think if weisselberg is facing a prison term, i dont think he would go to prison for a long time. If it is not a long prison time, they may take a slap on the wrist to do him a favor. 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