An absolutely appalling scene on the southern border. I have also seen the video. I cant imagine when that would be appropriate. When all in starts right now. Good evening from New York. Im chris hayes. There was good news on the covid vaccines today, something we dont get to say every day on this program. This Morning Pfizer and biontech announced their vaccine is safe and effective for children ages 5 to 11. The companies plan to apply for authorization from the federal Drug Administration by The End of this month. Now, obviously as a parent of two kids who would be eligible for that vaccine if the fda approves, im very invested in this. I know a lot of you are, too. Were going to talk to the former Acting Head of the centers for Disease Control and prevention about this and what it means in a bit. Of course, throughout this whole year, Calendar Year since january basically weve had this weird, jarring good news bad News Situation on vaccines. I mean the news about the vaccines themselves from a scientific standpoint and their efficacy rates has been very good. Now, it is true, the efficacy of some of the vaccines in terms of preventing infection have taken a bit of a hit with the delta variant, but they have held up incredibly well in protecting against serious illness and death. Places that are highly vaccinated like vermont, which has been a model for battling covid with a republican governor in charge i will add, vermont has already seen that protection in action. More than 87 of the eligible population of vermont has received at least one dose, and as a result they did not see a huge New Wave of cases, hospitalizations and deaths from delta. So far they have been spared the misery, the waves of Death Weve seen in states like florida and mississippi. Mississippi, in fact, now has the highest rate of covid deaths per capita in the country, surpassing the states hardest hit at the very beginning of this pandemic last spring, states like New Jersey and New York. You will remember the northeastern states had the most intense, completely unchecked outbreaks last spring when the virus first came over from europe and there was practically no testing available, right, hardly any preventive measures like masks or social distancing, certainly no vaccine. I mean new York City alone recorded more than 18,000 deaths from early march to early may of 2020. Over time other states that suffered serious outbreaks moved up in those ranking, if you can call it that. States like louisiana and arizona, but the Delta Wave this summer put mississippi over the top. A huge part of that, it is a complicated factors, mississippi is a place thats quite poor relative to other states, high levels of comorbidities, but a big part is vaccine resistance. Just 58 of those eligible in mississippi have received at least one dose. This weekend the republican governor, Tate Reeves, went on jake tappers show to defend his record and he had to admit, first of all, the truth about vaccines and the protection they offer. The best thing that americans can do, number one, is to talk to their doctor about potentially getting the vaccine, because in our state right. Some 89 of those hospitalized and some 87 of those of the deaths are coming from those who are unvaccinated. Okay. So like many republican governors though Tate Reeves also in the same interview took the opportunity to rail against the biden Administrations Requirement that employers with more than 100 employees either regularly test their staff, once a week, or require them to get vaccinated. This is an attack by the president on Hardworking Americans and Hardworking Mississippians who he wants to choose between getting a jab in their arm and their ability to feed their families. Okay. Just once again i know i keep banging on this, it is not a choice between getting a jab in the arm or feeding their families. They could get tested once a week, thats in the policy. Anyway, the point here, right, from reeves is the vaccine is good, it saves peoples lives, it protects from severe illness, but also the people that we hate like Joe Biden like it and they want you to take it, and, therefore, the vaccine might actually be bad and dont fall for their tricks, or dont let them make you take it. That Cognitive Dissonance ha likely cost untold thousands of americans their lives. It is what political scientists call negative partisanship at its most extreme. It is a Driving Factor in the pandemic right now. If you look at the Vaccination Rates in the g7, seven of The Worlds wealthiest democracies, our Vaccination Rate was one of the highest earlier this year. We were the hare in the tore toss versus the hare and were now the lowest. It is not because we dont have the vaccines. We have multiple kind and theyre chief and free, plentiful, approved by the fda. It is a rich country. While other g7 countries caught up and surpassed us weve been dealing with this intense resistance that was actually perfectly articulated in a random piece from a rightwing website that got a lot of attention this week. In it the author accuses liberals in the media and Joe Biden and dr. Fauci of deliberately looking to manipulate trump supporters into not getting vaccinated because, quote, in a country where elections are decided on razorthin margins does it not benefit one side if their opponents simply drop dead . Would one wants to cave to them so we dont. And whats the result . Theyre all vaccinated and were not. When you look at the numbers, the only numbers that matter, which is whos dying, is overwhelmingly the unvaccinated who are dying, and they have just manipulated millions of their political enemies into the unvaccinated camp. Thats the argument. The argument is liberals wants conservatives dead so theyre telling them to get vaccinated knowing in so doing they will make the conservatives less likely to get the vaccine and more in danger. As a liberal myself, i would speak to myself, i would go to a Maga Rally and sit in a dunk Tank Tomorrow if it meant that every american got vaccinated in the next week. You could you could watch me go into the tank, you could hurl all kind of insults, i dont care. I dont care. Whatever. I truly, genuinely, just want everyone to be safe. It is collective safety, but individual safety. Thats really i know that theres a kind of thinking that, like, the people we hate politically must hate us or must have some ulterior motive. Honestly, no. The crazy Bang Shot thinking on display in the piece, the Idea I Cant do the thing you want me to do, it defines a lot of our politics. It defines a lot of our politics for liberals at times, too. It is with the way oppositional toddlers tend to function. It is so pervasive the gravity acts on the more sophisticated republicans like in florida. Florida is, thank goodness, coming out of the very brutal Delta Wave. More than 13,000 people died just since the beginning of july. Cases and hospitalizations are both trending down now. Deaths are flattening out, so there is some really good news there, although it is still bad. Of course, floridas policies around covid have not been great. I mean they opened back up very early. The republican governor Ron Desantis is on the record supporting vaccines, but he very notably did not get vaccinated publicly and he has not been consistently urging residents to get vaccinated. In fact, he has taken actions that could curtail Vakss Like Banning Companies from requiring customers to provide proof of vaccination including Cruise Ship companies. Think about that. Then, of course, Governor Desantis had a serious outbreak in the state, and the way he tried to thread the weird ideological needle was to go all in on Monoclonal Antibodies. You have heard about them before. Theyre a promising treatment. Data has shown they really help people. It is not like crystal, crystal clear yet, but it is suggestive. Obviously if someone has covid, it is great to get them effective treatments as fast as possible, certainly as early as possible, but there is something just bizarre about the ideological affiliation of these Monoclonal Antibodies which dont have any inherent political valence, right . Like conservative moan owe clonal antibodies . No. But the same people who say vaccines are suspect are all in on the antibodies. This is a treatment, to be clear here, that is administered either by injection or intravenously. It is authorized under an Emergency Use Authorization from the fda, not full authorization. It is new, just a year old, and it costs about 2,000 per dose. All of the arguments that antivaxxers make against the vaccine are true of this treatment. Yet because it is not the vaccine and probably because Donald Trump used it and promoted it and Donald Trumps friends all got access to it, because it means i guess at some abstract Level Covid is treatable so not that big a deal, the Monoclonal Antibodies have become ideological Safe Space for conservatives. What you get is florida governor Ron Desantis pushing it like crazy. In a Twoweek Period last month at the height of the Delta Wave in his state, the governor tweeted 11 times about them and zero times about vaccines. He has done multiple photoops at treatment sites, some offer them for free, and as far as we can tell has not attended a single event promoting vaccinations in months. Now the treatment is facing supply issues. The New York times reporting that orders have exploded so quickly this summer the biden administration warned states this week of a dwindling national supply. So now theres a fight over the scarce resource when, again, the vaccine is plentiful, you can get it in any drugstore, it is free, and it provides way better protection against hospitalization and death. But a lot of people dont want to take it because thats what the libs want. All of this has me thinking about a great book by my friend, heather magee, it is called the sum of us. It got long listed for the national book award. A big deal. It tells this story about american politics. After desegregation a southern town has to desegregate the pool, and rather than do that they drained the pool because they would rather no one have it. That reminds me of the politics around covid. Theres a lot of cutting off noses despite the faces going on. We have the host of the manny hocksin. Alex, let me start with you. You did a fascinating interview with a Florida Politician named Anthony Sabatini in the latest episode of the circus. I want to show a clip of that and get you to talk about it because it is a perfect example of what im identifying. Take a look. I represent free citizens who are completely informed, probably know more about covid than you do. You probably do and you probably should because it is your job to protect the public. It is my job. And you are introducing bills about it. Im not. As a government official, it is my job to protect the rights, protect their freedoms. Im not here to micromanage every aspect of their life. Maybe you dont understand that because you work in journalism, but thats the role of the government. It is actually the Founding Principle of the government, is to protect rights. Let decisions be made by individuals concerning their own public health. There is another side to this, okay. There are people that say if the federal government doesnt step in in the event of Mass Death in america, a widely transmissible virus that is laying waste to the economy, that is Shuttering Schools and businesses. What world are you living in . Putting hospitals at capacity. What world are you living in . Alex, i found that change weirdly bracing and refreshing insofar as it was honest. I think the thing thats driving this is this idea of freedom of the grave. Like i dont care, we dont care how many people die. We dont want you telling us what to do, and thats it. I guess if thats your position, like i guess thats your position. You can say it. He comes very close to saying it very clearly. Yeah, well, and right after that i say, you know, what do you say to the people who just dont understand your position . He said, theyre just stupid, theyre just stupid. It is these twin poles of individual liberty and complete disdain for the other half, and that is a dangerous and were seeing it play out now, right. It is i want my freedom and i also want to own the libs because theyre the worst people in The World, theyre not real americans, we are. It is incredibly combustible and now you have politicians like mr. Sabatini introducing bills into the Florida State Legislature to ban mandatory vaccines, to ban masks in public places, and, you know, up until The End of August Florida had 325 floridians dying a day. When i asked he said, i dont know about those numbers, as a percentage of the population, what are you talking about . Theres willful denialism about all facts and figures and thats where we are. Mettie, i was looking to something called too beautiful to live. And this was said. It would be funny if Hip Replacement was polarized. You told someone you got a Hip Replacement and they were like, oh, i guess you love liberals. It makes no sense this specific medical procedure. In this case Monoclonal Antibodies came out in the grand american Polarization Machine on the side of maga world. Who knows why . Vaccines come out on the other side. Like it is so irrational the way that these things are being pinged through the machinery of our Polarization Machine. Yeah, and, you know, it is not just Monoclonal Antibodies which as you point out is under an Emergency Use Authorization, is brought in intravenously, et cetera, et cetera. You have the hydroxychloroquine folks, the ivermectin folks. Theyre almost worse than the covid deniers. They accept covid, they just dont want to use the one treatment all scientists globally agree is the one way to avoid getting covid and this is the problem we have now. It is completely irrational as alex pointed out in the interview with sabatini. It is just mad. This is a party, as you pointed out with that bright Bot Piece you quoted in your introduction, until now we were joking that republicans, conservatives want to die to own the libs. Now theyve put it in writing and they say, yeah, thats what we think this is all about. You have a situation now where, what, one in 500 americans is dead from covid, one in 400 in florida. In alabama for the first time in recorded history they had more deaths last year nan births. The population literally shh rank. Mississippi, second biggest in the country, would be number two in The World, in deaths per capita. The republican party is no longer a party of low taxes or more police, it is a party of Mass Death. How do you deal with that in a democracy . We cant just go on about, oh, the bipartisan spending bill, budget reconciliation, it is a party of Mass Death. The other thing we encountered i think because of this wall thats been hit again, i keep noting this. There are republican governors who have done a good job with covid. You know, in vermont, theyve done a decent job in maryland, massachusetts. Complicated, all of them, but theyre not in the same category. I saw this interesting piece the other day, alex, about vaccine incentives. So the idea throughout is, okay, we are going to work through this. We will incentivize and this was a preprint study so it hasnt been peer reviewed. It looked at Vaccine Center programs, and it basically found none of them lead to an increase in covid19 Vaccination Rates. All of the tools and all that has been thrown at this fortress, this wall built by our politics have not really worked. Well, i mean the biggest incentive is it could save your life, right. If you are willing to forego that, A Million Dollars is not that incentivizing, right . The fact of the matter is people dont believe that they made the wrong choice until theyre in the er. By then it is probably too late. I mean it is i think the problem with this moment is we keep saying at What Point, at What Point, at What Point. Well, we know What Point it is. The party has reached the apex, i guess. I know theyve asked for the ultimate sacrifice of their adherence, which is their lives, and their adherents are willing to go those lengths. I have never before In My Life Conceived Of A Political Party that would put its believers and its constituents lives on the line in order to prove fealty. Thats where we are in modern day republican politics. I will tell you, the new republican party is the viciousness of it and the Rulity Cruelty of it is unlike anything we have seen in modern politics. You know, again, this is a fairly Trump Caucus that is controlling the party, and thats the problem, but i think thats the reason we saw early data from American Airlines that put in a vaccine requirement, we saw data from the Armed Forces that put in a vaccine requirement. The moroccoersive approach to it i think it ends up more humane because it doesnt end up in the more as of all of this. It is like, you have to do it the same way you have to do it to go to school. Theres a level that takes it out of the cultural war as opposed to super charging it. Yes. Incentives dont work. Mandates work. You know, you mentioned going to school. It is like dealing with children. These people are behaving like irrational children. A right winger watching this would say look at the tie ran Cal Person on msnbc. You mentioned republican governors doing well. Vermont governor is doing well. But Guess What, theyre not frontrunners for the 2024 president ial nomination for the republican party. The guy presiding over Mass Death in florida is the frontrunner for the nomination, which tells you everything you need to know about the republican party right now. In fact, i think theyre handling covid well is probably disqualifying more grimly. Thank you both. That was great. Coming up, how it is becoming more and more dangerous to be a member of congress. The chilling story in the l. A. Times in the dramatic rise of the number of threats of violence against congress members. The reporter on the story, sarah wire, who spent six months trying to coax a handful of representatives to share the terrifying details of their stories joins me ahead. R stories joins me ahead thats a nice truck. Yeah, its the Chevy Silverado. Check out this multiflex tailgate. Multiflex, huh . Wow. It becomes a step. Mom, dads flexing again. Thats not all. You can extend the bed for longer stuff. Is he still. Still flexing. Thats right and, it becomes a workspace. You can put your laptop here. 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Pfizer and biontech just announced that early Trial Results show its vaccine is safe and highly effective for young kids between the ages of 5 and 11 years old. The company says the kids in the trial had a strong immune response with just a third of the dose given to older children and adults. They will now be applying for Emergency Authorization for the childsized doses from the fda by The End of the month, and if the fda approves the application as quickly as they did with the Adult Vaccine then kids could be getting vaccinated as early as halloween. Parents will no doubt have all sorts of questions about the news and what comes next. I and other parents who work on the show certainly do. I want to bring in dr. Richard besser, a pediatrician, former acting director of the centers for Disease Control and prevention. Doctor, lets start with the data. We dont have all of it i think. We get the sort of first Summary Version from pfizer, but what is your reaction to what we know so far about Safety And Efficacy . Yeah, you know, chris, i would say im cautiously optimistic. The reason i say cautious is i never like to make a judgment upon a company press release. What the companies shared is really encouraging. They found that young children, so 5 to 11yearold children, mounted a strong immune response with onethird of the dose that adults were getting. It is not surprising. Young children tend to respond better, more effectively to vaccines than older people, and they found that at that low dose the number of children who had Side Effects was quite low. Those Side Effects were mild. It is going to be really important to let the fda do their thing, let their Advisory Committee do their thing, because while the severity of the infection when you are really old, when you have medical conditions is quite high, the severity when you are young is quite low. So you want to make sure that if you are recommending this to kids and a pediatrician and a parent, this is really important to me, i want to make sure theyve done Due Diligence and it truly is safe and effective. Yeah, i mean thats an important point and think it connects in something weve seen in terms of Vaccine Uptake. Your point being, look, theres the risk, right, the risk of severe illness, hospitalization on one hand, and then theres the risk, whatever risk might be inherent in the vaccine, which is we think minimal but not zero, zero, zero. And the connection between those two is going to be part of the calculation the fda is making, and in this case we know that 5 to 12 year olds have a lower risk or 5 to 11 year olds from a lower risk from covid than older age cohorts. It is interesting because weve seen not great uptake in adolescents so far. 42. 4 of those 12 to 17 years have received a dose. Only 32 have completed the vaccine series. Granted, that happened later, but i wonder if you how you think about Vaccine Uptake in this context. Theres the authorization and then theres going to be the messaging about getting kids vaccinated. Thats right. You know, i would expect that, you know, if the fda does an Emergency Use Authorization on this that the uptake will be lower than what weve seen for adolescents. I think there are a lot of parents the data that pfizer is sending forward is on fewer than 3,000 children, and i think theres going to be a line of parents who say, let my child have it, i want them to go to school protected, im really concerned about this. Were seeing 300 children hospitalized each week. Weve seen nearly 500 children die from this. Weve seen thousands of children who have developed an unusual inflammatory syndrome. So there will be parents who want their children to be first in line to get this. I think theres going to be a big group of parents who say, you know, i want to see how this is tolerated when it has been given to hundreds of thousands of children, where you might see less common Side Effects appear. You know, as a pediatrician im going to want to listen and really address peoples questions and concerns with respect. You know, when you look at the impact in children, weve seen the same disparate impact in children in terms of black and brown children being hit harder than white children, and it is really important that you treat parents with respect, you let people make an informed decision, you recognize that people will be on a different timeline around that. If we can do a better job of removing politics around young childrens immunizations, i dont know if we can, that would be a terrific thing. It was striking to me the dosing and the way it was developed. We think of vaccination as a thing you do as a kid except for the seasonal Flu Shot. It is normally how it works, how we implemented it. Here we have vaccination that goes to adults and now being moved down to kids, and we have a third of the dose, i guess, here. Is that a common is that ratio fairly common in The World of immunology the way this works . Yeah, i mean the ratio is going to be different, but the idea that at different ages you are going to see a different amount of term thats needed to get immune response, thats not unusual. You may recall that over the past couple of years for elderly people the Flu Shot, they developed a higher dose Flu Shot and it was in recognition that the older you get the less reactive your Immune System will be. What you want to do is give as little as you need to to get the kind of immune response you want. Right. Unlike the trials in adults where they did trials to look at prevention of Disease And Hospitalization and death, these arent doing that. What theyre doing to see is do you get the same level of antibodies. Right. And theyre saying, well, if you get that level of antibodies it should give you that protection. We want know until this is used in real world whether that concept holds true. It should because it holds true for so many different vaccines. Oh, i see what you are saying. The dependent variable is the Antibody Level as opposed to illness, hospitalization or fatality. Exactly, exactly. Thats the thing theyre measuring, thats the thing theyre going to go to the fda on, thats the thing that the dataset is going to talk about . Thats right. What theyre saying is, you know, this level of antibody was seen in adults. Adults were protected at that level of antibody. Right. With this amount of with this onethird of a dose of vaccine we get the same level of antibodies. Gotcha. That should protect children. It should give parents some comfort that their children are getting as little of this material as is needed to give them a level that should be protective all right. 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Just last week Republican Anthony Gonzalez announced he would be retiring at The End of his term just two terms in in part due to the threats against him and his family over his support of Donald Trumps second impeachment. Theres a harrowing story in the Los Angeles times today recounting an ano, maam must video sent to democratic Congresswoman Norma torres showing someone following her car. The Video Pans down to a. 9 millimeter handgun in the Passenger Seat as the voice behind the camera says, quote, i see you, i got something for you. Sarah wire reported that story for the Los Angeles times. She joins me now. First let me say it is a wellreported piece. Thank you for making time. I want to start on the Norma Torres story because it is so unnerving and chilling. Tell us A Little Bit the context of this and how the Congress Person received it and what happened. Reporter well, the congresswoman is not known for being, you know, soft spoken. She is very outspoken on her beliefs and she got into an argument with the president of El Salvador in the spring. He really encouraged his supporters to go after her and to criticize her, and thats when the video showed up. You know, it wasnt the only incident. Theres others recounted inside the article of, you know, two men approached her home and she had to scare them off with a gun. So it is the video itself when she told me about that, i was just shocked because it is not something she had really ever told another reporter. Yeah. This is the first time this has been disclosed is my understanding. I Guess What do you what are the what can you do if you are a member of Congress And Something like this happens . I mean when i worked on the hill, when i was a reporter on the hill, you know, a decade ago, you know, most members walked around without security. You know, theyre just like, you know, you see them in a restaurant, you see them on the Capitol Hill subway. Does that persist or have there been changes to that . Reporter thats still the same. That was kind of the crux of the story, was, you know, theres not nearly enough Capitol Police to give every member of congress a security detail, and so when theyre not in washington, when theyre not in the Capitol Complex how do they feel safe . So, you know, when she received this video she reached out to Capitol Police and they probably contacted the fbi, she contacted her local police, but theres not an immediate easy answer for investigation that goes into it. Right. You also dont want i mean if you are members of congress, you know, you want them out talking to people and interacting with the public and going to, you know, County Fairs and things like that. You dont want members of congress barricaded behind security. But some of the numbers you talk about, the surge in threats you say has grown exponentially in recent years. In 2016 Capitol Police investigated 902 thoughts. By 2008 it was 5,206. By 2020 it rose to 8,613. Thats just a shocking increase. I guess one question i have for you is, you know, is that partly a function of the ease of Social Media and how people can just say really nasty, gnarly things and sort of be done with it anonymously, and how much of this are really qualitatively upsetting threats like the one representative torres told you about . It is definitely a mix. I think you you know, theyre hearing a lot of threats that might have been just been guys blowing steam off at the bar in the past but now it is easier to reach a member of congress, to find their Phone Number or Twitter Handle and spout things off. As i was looking at the various Court Cases that have been brought in the last decade, over and over people would say in their defense, i didnt really mean it. I was just letting off some steam. But, you know, thats harassing a federal official, threatening a federal official is a felony, punishable by up to six years in prison. We should note theres the context here, obviously the attack on Gabby Giffords that happened when she was doing an event in her district. The gunman who attacked a republican softball team, you know, gravely injuring Steve Scalise who i think took a year of rehab and he was hospitalized and shot multiple times. So, you know, theres the crowd overrunning January 6th. I mean the context here is this is not some, you know, preposterously remote scenario for these members. No. I mean some of the stories that are detailed in the article of, you know, Tom Reed finding a rat with a noose around its neck on his Front Porch or a member of congress being told that, you know, the person was going to slit his Throat And Skin him alive in front of his children. I mean you cant take those as unrealistic threats. Theyre not just seeming and you have people like Maxine Waters where there are at least five men currently serving Prison Terms for threatening her life. Five men currently serving Prison Terms for threatening just one member of congress, Maxine Waters. And the thing that really stood out to me reporting the story is how little members of congress know about the threats to their colleagues. You know, each year the number was shocking, but just hearing the stories you could really see bothered some of the members. Yeah. As i said before this kind of thing is like a real cancer in a liberal democracy, in a free and open society, and really unnerving it has grown the way it has. Sarah wire, you did great reporting on it. Thank you for making time for us. Thanks for having me. Coming up, the horrifying image of Border Patrol Agent on horseback grabbing a migrant at the southern border. The crisis that led to this moment next. Allergies dont have to be scary. 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In the midst of that in august the country suffered a large earthquake that killed over 2,000 people and destroyed more than 53,000 homes and in this Chaos Haitis Government managed to vaccinate less than 1 of the countrys 11. 5 million people. Now more than 14,000 asians are desperately seeking asylum at the southern border. They crossed from mexico, waded through the Rio Grande. Theyve been stuck in this limbo sheltering under the international bridge in del rio, texas. Theyre on the u. S. Side. Keep in mind, the Asylum Process was essentially shut Down Under Donald Trump, using covid as chiefly a pretext and, crucially, the biden administration has largely continued that policy. In fact, the biden administration is actually appealing a Court Ruling that halted a Trump Era public Health Policy that used the Coronavirus Pandemic to justify turning back unauthorized migrants at the border. Yesterday the biden administration began deportation flights to start taking people back to haiti, even as hundreds more made the dangerous crossing into the u. S. , wading through the Rio Grande, only to be confronted by Border Agents chasing them down on horseback. Footage the White House itself called horrific. I have seen some of the footage. I dont have the full context. I cant imagine what context would make that appropriate but i dont have additional details. Certainly i dont have additional context, april. I dont think anyone seeing that footage would think it was acceptable or appropriate. Of course, they should never be able to do it again. I dont know what the circumstances would be. It is obviously horrific, the footage. I dont have any more information on that so let me see if i can do that and see if theres more to say. Theres a big development this weekend in Democrats Ability to deliver on the promise. 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The democrats along with president Joe Biden have a very ambitious domestic Policy Agenda and because they dont at this point have 50 votes to overcome the filibuster in the senate they have to run the whole process through reconciliation which is a complicated process but essentially a way to use one massive bill with a simple Majority Vote to bypass the filibuster and pass democratic priorities and get them on bidens desk. But it does have its limitations. Certain conditions on what they can and cannot pass. We saw that yesterday when the Senate Parliamentarian dealt a blow to democrats and ruled that Immigration Reform, that is providing a Pathway To Legal Status for 11 Million folks who are here without documentation, that cannot be included in the Reconciliation Package because its, well, a little unclear. The budgetary impact isnt big enough even though its got a big budgetary impact. While democrats contend with that they still have to keep the government open. That has to pass. They have to figure out what to do with the Debt Ceiling. They have to make sure they get a win on bidens infrastructure bill. With democrats trying to juggle multiple tasks with little or no room for error we figured it would be a good idea to talk to someone in leadership, the chair of the House Democratic Caucus. He joins me now. First let me start on the Senate Parliamentarian ruling yesterday. Which makes a pathway to citizenship it cant go into the reconciliation bill. Lots of folks, Chuck Schumer expressed frustration, anger, disappointment. Does this mean its done and not happening . Well, we have a broken immigration system. It needs to be fixed. The preference would be able to do it in a bipartisan way but the republicans have turned into a xenophobic party that continues to bend the knee to Donald Trump and his hatefilled rhetoric. So thats an avenue that is not available to us at this particular moment which means that we are hopeful that the senate democrats will revise the proposal and present another potential option to the Senate Parliamentarian, which they have the capacity to do over the next week or two. The Senate Parliamentarian essentially concluded that the Public Policy changes that were in our initial proposal outweighed the budgetary proposals that they acknowledged did exist. And so its possible while still maintaining the core of a pathway toward legalization for dreamers as well as Farm Workers and temporary protected status recipients that a revised proposal might pass the Senate Parliamentarians test in terms of budgetary impact. Just to respond to what you said i dont disagree on how the republican party has gone on immigration but ive been covering this issue 15 years. There is still no comprehensive bill. You have a democratic administration overseeing a Border Patrol on horseback with whatever implement they were using in their hands in the face of cowering and terrified folks fleeing crisis in the Rio Grande waters. That was not Donald Trumps customs and Border Patrol. That was Joe Bidens. What do you think of those images and what do you think about this administration continuing a policy in which those folks are not eligible for asylum . The Border Patrol Agents are totally out of control and i think as the White House themselves acknowledged the images are horrific and the Border Patrol Agents need to stand down in terms of the manner in which they are conducting themselves. Hopefully that message is being communicated by the secretary of homeland security. I think the biden administration is going to be committed to a more humanitarian policy with respect to Immigration Reform generally and specifically as it relates to asylum seekers. We also have to continue to provide direct assistance to the people of haiti on the ground so we can turn the situation around there and that is something i know the House Democratic Caucus remains strongly committed to with great leadership from the Congressional Black Caucus led by congresswoman joyce beatty. Final question on this, but just to be clear, do you support the extension of the use of the public Health Invocation to essentially make asylum not possible for these folks or any others, the biden administration has extended . Well, i disagree with the extension of any policy related to the excuse that was put forward by President Trump inspired by Stephen Miller designed to just keep people out of america. I am hopeful that policy is going to be reevaluated. There is a lot going on right now. There is a debt a government shutdown. Lets divide them. There is a Reconciliation Thing happening there but now a bill to fund the government and to pass the Debt Ceiling. I have to say i am a little confused on where we ended up on that. When is that going to be passing . You dont need republican votes on it i guess. Youll just pass it and see what happens in the senate . We dont need republican votes In The House. We expect theyll be irresponsible In The House even though the republicans in this chamber and the republicans across the capitol, three times, during the trump administration, voted to extend the Debt Ceiling in dramatically high numbers but all of a sudden theyre back to being socalled fiscally responsible. It is ridiculous. The Debt Ceiling relates to bills the country has already incurred. Now were going to pass the legislation with respect to making sure the government continues to be funded. And we avoid a dramatic default which will tank our economy. Then well put it on the united States Senate. We know the democrats are going to do the right thing and hopefully a handful of republicans will vote to protect the full Faith And Credit of the united states of america. Just to be clear this is whats being set up right now. Youll pass it In The House where there is no filibuster, majority control, obviously leadership wants to keep the government funded, avoid a shutdown, and raise the Debt Ceiling. Go over to the senate where that has to, as of the current rules, pass by a filibuster proof majority, 60 votes. You got to find ten republican votes. Mitch mcconnell saying absolutely not were all going to vote against it. That is what Mitch Mcconnell is saying but i think his friends on Wall Street and the wealthy and well off across the country do not want to see a default in the Stock Market and the Economy Crashing and so im not convinced Mitch Mcconnell is doing anything but bluffing. Well see what they do when the bill gets to the floor of the united States Senate and they have an opportunity to do the right thing or to crash the economy. I mean, the slogan like dont take a hostage you dont want to shoot. This does seem like Playing With Fire here. Am i missing something . Well listen, this is a high Stakes Situation which is why we shouldnt be infusing politics into the Debt Ceiling. In the house, led by speaker pelosi, were going to do our job. Fortunately we can do it without republican support. We are calling on businesses, corporations, people on Wall Street to prevail upon their friends in the Senate Republican Caucus to do the right thing. All right. We will keep monitoring that. Congressman hakeem jeffries as always thanks for making the time. Good evening, rachel. Good evening, my friend. Much appreciate it. Thanks at home for joining us. Happy to have you here. Twa is supposed to start at noon. Noon sharp on saturday. 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