We begin with Breaking News on the southern border where a new surge of migrants, most of them from haiti, has grown to nearly 15,000. Right now dhs is ramping up Deportation Flights as thousands of migrants are overwhelming Del Rio, texas, many of them living under a bridge to try to escape the brutal heat. Well have an update from the scene in just minutes. Meanwhile on Capitol Hill the clock is ticking as democrats work to get a 3. 5 trillion Spending Bill and a bipartisan Infrastructure Bill to President Bidens desk. Earlier today i spoke with House Budget Committee chair John Yarmouth who had a message for his colleagues who are at odds over what that final bill should look like. You can posture all you want and say what you want, what you will and wont vote for. In the final analysis, youre going to vote for it because youre not going to vote against childcare and paid Family Leave and early Childhood Education and Community College and all these top priorities which, by the way, the country desperately needs and the country overwhelmingly supports. A new warning for republicans from one of their own today as Donald Trump remains the De Facto leader of the party. Senator Bill Cassidy reacting earlier today to news that congressman anthony gonzalez, a republican who voted to impeach trump, will not run for reelection. The broader question, frankly, is do republicans continue to relitigate to 2020 or do we look forward with a positive agenda. If we relitigate 2020 over and over again, it wont change the result in 2020 but were sure to lose in 2024. Earlier Today President biden took a Bike Ride in rehoboth beach, delaware. The president will speak at the u. N. General assembly and will host the first summed of the quad, meaning leaders from india, japan, and australia. Nbcs Mike Memoli is frequently with President Biden. Mike, welcome again on this sunday. Its been a tough week for the president. How is the White House reacting to some of the perceived setbacks . Reporter alex, job one since day one for President Biden has been trying to contain the pandemic and of course its resurgence with the delta variant. Recently we saw the president take a number of steps over the past month starting with those Vaccine Mandates but also the administration repeatedly laying our their plan to make Booster Shots available should the fda approve it tomorrow, september 20. We saw the Fda Panel Meet friday and reject the recommendation for Booster Shots for the general public. Today you saw not members of the west Wing Staff but some of the Career Health officials on all the sunday shows trying to clear up the confusion. Here is dr. Anthony fauci trying to speak to what the Fda Panel did on friday and what it might mean moving forward. Take a listen. Thats the reason we have qualified groups of people who together as a committee examine all the data and make a decision. I have no problem at all with their decision. The thing that im saying is that data will continue to come in, and i believe youre going to see an evolution of this process as we go on in the next several weeks to months. Reporter now, dealing with the pandemic is also going to be a part of the president s agenda this week and a very busy week on the World Stage heading to the u. N. To deliver his first address to the u. N. General assembly as president On Tuesday, convening a virtual meeting of the world powers to discuss vaccines, especially in the developing world. And then its about Inperson Meetings with some of our closest allies with regard to circumventing chinas rise on the World Stage. That Inperson Meeting on friday with members of the quad. Boris johnson is coming to washington this week. But its a Phone Call with Emanuel Macron that we expect to come this week that will get a lot of attention given the french flap, as weve been calling it, over the nuclear Submarine Deal with australia. I just said Zut Alors about the whole thing. A surge brought 15,000 men, women, and children from haiti to the southern border in Del Rio, texas. Theyre gathered in an area half the size of the city of Del Rio itself. Nbcs Morgan Chesky is in Del Rio. Reporter alex, were yards away from the bridge thats been shut down from Del Rio into mexico in the past 24 hours or so. This is a day where we may finally start to see serious traction from a resource standpoint. Last night we saw hundreds of State Trooper cruisers roll in with the addition of Law Enforcement agents sent down to the border to alleviate this surge in migrants thats tripled since wednesday. At last count 14,000 people, mostly haitian migrants, currently living underneath the bridge behind me, and there could be more coming this way. The concern from authorities, how many more are coming, and also how quickly can they get these people to either Processing Centers that are not having to deal with the overcrowding like Del Rio is, or potentially fly them back to haiti. And what makes that interesting is that dhs has said for thousands of the people here, they have not been living necessarily in that Island Nation now for years, choosing to live in South America but only coming north within the past several months here. And haiti of course struck by that massive 7. 2 Magnitude Earthquake back on august 14. The country is still reeling from that. And yet there are conversations ongoing, according to the federal government, that would facilitate the Deportation Planes being able to arrive in haiti and take some of these people back to the country that they said goodbye to, in some cases, years ago. As it stands right now, the city of Del Rio with the closure of this bridge is more or less cut off. They get millions of dollars in crossborder trade. Thats more or less come to a standstill. There is a concern about that. But in the meantime, all eyes really go to the humanitarian situation playing out underneath this bridge. We do know that Food And Water has been brought in in large amounts. Yet there are still people, were told, choosing to go back into mexico and get whatever food, water they can, then come back across the river to hand it out to those in need here. So were keeping a very close eye on this situation as it develops. We know those Deportation Planes will be hopefully taking off, according to dhs here, within the next 48 hours or so, alex. Okay, Morgan Chesky, thank you so much for that. Staying in texas, everyone, more on this Breaking News, an update on the story we told you about just moments ago. Here is new video just in of the military Plane Crash. Were getting our first upclose look at the aftermath. This is in the city of Lake Worth. Reporter Scott Gordon from Nbc Station kxas reports the crew that have plane ejected. One was burned by power lines. The second landed in a tree. Were also told that two homes are heavily damaged. You see the smoke right there. More could be impacted. This is a photo of what is believed to be part of the plane in a womans backyard. She is reportedly okay. Lake worth police are set to hold a News Conference any moment. Youve got the podium there in the backdrop, were keeping an eye on that and well bring you updates. Thats an extraordinary Story And Video were just showing you. More Breaking News, police, fbi agents, other Law Enforcement officers as well are right now combing the thick woods of the Carlton Reserve in sarasota county, florida, searching for Brian Laundrie, the 23yearold Man who returned home alone after a Crosscountry Trip with his fiance, 22yearold Gabby Petito. My colleague, nbcs emily achetta, joins us from l. A. Theres a search going on as well for gabby. Reporter a lot going on today, alex. Were watching two searches play out thousands of miles across the country. The fbi zeroing in on the outskirts of grand teton national park, theyre looking for Gabby Petito. Her family says the last time they spoke to her on facetime, she was headed to that area. More than A Thousand tips have come in to police hoping to solve the disappearance of Gabby Petito. Now, as of a few days ago, Brian Laundrie, he returned from the Companys Vacation earlier this summer, on September 1 to florida by himself. Gabbys family saying that with each passing day, the desperation just continues to grow. Some of these tips coming in the form of Social Media videos from tiktok to youtube. The whole country gripped by this complicated case. Happening today in florida, police are searching for Brian Laundrie, as you mentioned, in the thick woods of a Nature Reserve there. 25,000 acres. Theyve described it as swampy, wet, alligatorinfested, treacherous terrain theyre dealing with. An extensive search launched on friday, officers, dogs, drones, trying to pinpoint where Brian Laundrie is. His family says they last saw him On Tuesday but they didnt report it and bring it to the attention of police until friday. And they say that, police say, he frequented this area, hes family familiar with that park in florida, but they arent ruled out him being possibly in danger. Thank you, emily. Well bring in katie phang, msnbc legal contributor. Katie, where do things stand right now, behaviorally, legally, the advice that laundrie is apparently getting, talk about that. Obviously were all praying for the safe return and the basic finding of Gabby Petito. But in the meantime, what an extraordinary twist that Brian Laundrie himself has now, quote unquote, disappeared. Lets be frank, alex, we dont know if hes really disappeared, right . We have his family who took him back in on September 1, never reported that gabby was missing. Remember, gabby was living with brian in his Parents House in northport, florida. So then we have a lawyer on behalf of Brian Laundrie who says his client is refusing to cooperate with authorities. Well, Brian Laundrie always had the constitutional right under the Fifth Amendment not to speak to Law Enforcement, and in fact his lawyer has indicated and the cops have confirmed that he did invoke that Fifth Amendment right. But you know what were all asking, including me, if you dont have anything to hide, why would you not be cooperating with Law Enforcement . Then suddenly Brian Laundrie has, quote unquote, disappeared. And the reason theyre looking in that particular location in the Carlton Reserve is because thats where his parents said he was heading or at least they thought that thats where hes heading. Its a lot of manhours, its a lot of manpower thats being brought to finding Brian Laundrie. As you noted, there is a parallel investigation going on in utah. Frankly, alex, if something happened to Gabby Petito, her body could be anywhere from utah to florida. And its chilling to think about it. Theres a lot of scrutiny thats also going to come to the Laundrie Family itself. Did they know something, do they know something . And their failure to cooperate could actually create criminal charges for them as well. Interesting, i was going to ask that question, it could put them in legal hot water as well. With regard to this area, the Carlton Reserve, its a place that Brian Laundrie allegedly knows quite well. And to listen to Gabbys Family, they are saying its the wrong verbiage here, its not that hes missing, its that hes in hiding. Would that stand to reason, can you see why they would say that . Well, we can only go off what Law Enforcement does in stages. Right now Brian Laundrie is not a suspect, he is a, quote, person of interest. Thats why the petito family, Gabbys Family is saying that hes hiding from authorities. But you know what, Thats Kind of true to some extent, right . We know when he arrived back in florida he refused to meet with Law Enforcement authorities, he refused to cooperate. So at this point in time, is he trying to hide to save himself from possible incrimination if he were to meet with Law Enforcement . We always want to hear from a suspect. We always want to get information from a suspect. He hasnt achieved that status yet, so right now, ironically, there is now a Brian Laundrie missing Persons Investigation that is running at the same time as the Gabby Petito missing person investigation. Okay. So yes, theres no crime at this point on that end. At what point can that change . The fact is he could stay in this reserve, given its description, for a long time, for weeks into months, if he has survivalist skills. Even if he were to be located right now, alex, while were speaking, if there are no charges that hes facing, if he continues to not voluntarily cooperate and speak to Law Enforcement, hes free to go anywhere. We know forensic evidence so far including Cellphone Tracking of those particular records of Gabby Petito and of Brian Laundrie. We know investigators are trying to figure it out. They do have the White Van. I do know that forensic investigation is occurring on the White Van itself. Law enforcement went to the Laundrie House on Friday Evening once he was reported missing by his family, they got some stuff from there. I think we have to take it on a Day By day basis. The point you raised earlier, that the family could be in some legal peril if things develop and they are proven to have withheld information pertinent to the case, would that be the kind of thing the lawyer advising brian would also be advising the family, or does that potentially Pit Family members against one another and you have to get different lawyers for different Family Members . Thats a really difficult question. Theres a lot of scrutiny thats being put on the lawyer himself, steve bertolino, a new York Lawyer, alex. Brian laundrie is a florida represent, not sure what a new York Lawyer is doing representing a guy in florida, not that Theres Anything that prohibits that. Theres a lot of scrutiny on bertolino. As a lawyer we cant facilitate a crime, we cant participate in that. But youre right, there could be a conflict if mr. Bertolino is representing the Laundrie Family members as well, what advice is he giving. We know he advised the Family Members as well as Brian Laundrie not to speak to Law Enforcement. Okay, katie phang, glad youre always talking to me when we reach out, though. Thank you so much. Were awaiting that News Conference on the Breaking News in texas, a military Plane Crash. Well bring that to you as soon as it gets under way. Will ahead, theyre two bills that total more than 4 Trillion in new spending. Do the plans to pay for them make sense . Next well do the math with austan goolsbee. At usaa, weve been called too exclusive. Because we were created for officers. But as weve evolved with the military, weve grown to serve all whove honorably served. No matter their rank, or when they were in. A marine just out of basic, or a petty officer from 73. And even his kids. And their kids. 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Well bring you any updates as we get them. Meantime, new today democrats stress the urgency to pass a 3. 5 trillion reconciliation package. Theyre also working out how to pay for it. As we move toward what i believe is the most consequential piece of legislation for the Working Class of this country as we demand that the wealthiest people and large corporations start paying their fair share of taxes. These are long standing democratic priorities, theyre things the country desperately needs, and theyre overwhelmingly popular with the american people. Democrats current plan starts with raising the top marginal Tax Rate for individuals and couples from 37 to 39. 6 . Then it takes the flat corporate tax, currently at 21 , and changes that to a graduated structure, putting the top rate at 26. 5. It also raises the top rate for Capital Gains from 20 that 25 and adds a 3 surtax for individual incomes over 5 million. But the Joint Committee On Taxation looked at all of this and said all together that would only raise about 2 Trillion over the next ten years. So joining me now, a great mathematician, austan goolsbee, former chairman of the council of economic advisers for the obama administration. I know you are, austan, thats why we brought you on here. According to the jct estimate, democrats have like a trillion and a half unpaid for. The biden administration has said the cost of the build back better plan will be zero. How do they get from there to here . Well, a, theyve got to go talk to the undecided senators and house members. But either theyve got to get more revenue and include some of the things that biden himself proposed that have not been in their negotiations yet, like the Stepup Basis of Capital Gains so People Cant go their whole lives, pass it to their children, and pay zero tax on their income for their whole life. Or else theyve got to go scale down the package. Or else theyve got to break their promise. Those are the simple maths about it. Im going to get to the super wealthy in just a second, but we know they want to pay for the whole bill. Do they need to do that, austan . Is there any scenario in which we can borrow more money and pay for the bill that way . Or is that just a bust . Of course we could. I mean, look, the previous republican president , Donald Trump, over 2 Trillion Tax Cut thats not paid for. Weve fought numerous wars at multitrillion dollars that were unpaid for. We passed the c. A. R. E. S. Act which was not paid for. And the Bush Administration both fought wars and had multitrillion dollar Tax Cuts that were not paid for. So i dont think that there is some Accounting Sense in which it has to be paid for. You could increase the debt to do it. Its just that people on the margin for voting, theyre not willing to do that. And the president has outlined he doesnt want to do that. Okay. The New York times is pointing this out, and in fact echoing the sentiments you expressed, that house democrats plan to tax the rich least vast fortunes unscathed. The times says the proposal is going after the merely rich more than thefabulously rich. Do you agree with that . A bit. Thats an accurate description, and the main reason thats true is because the mega wealthy, billionaires, they have most of their money in stocks, and the Tax Rate on Capital Gains income, you only pay it when you sell. And if you pass it to your children, you never pay it. And the rate is lower. So all of those things mean that those vast fortunes largely go with very low Tax Rates. The biden administration proposed to try to go at that by eliminating some of those loopholes. But so far in congress the debate is kind of going away, going in the opposite direction, of more to the very rich rather than the super mega ultimately rich. Okay. So weve gone over some of the main points of this tax plan. But deeper in it, as Yahoo Finance points out, here is something. House Tax Writers want to double the 1. 01 federal Excise Tax on a pack of cigarettes with similar hikes on tobacco taxes. It would tax ecigarettes for the first time. Would that go against the president s pledge not to raise taxes on any household earning less than 400,000 a year . And if they do put a tax on tobacco products, would nonsmokers care . Yeah, i dont know, on the first one. The issues that are taxes that are about health, theres always been kind of a gray area of were we thinking about Income Taxes or if something is totally voluntary like that, should that be counted. It might. In which case, this isnt a proposal of the biden administration, this is coming from congress, biden might insist that they not do that, that they come up with revenue somewhere else. Regardless, i do think its important to recognize. Lets say there is some Cigarette Tax Component in that. Its still going to be the case that 99. 9 of the revenue is coming from people making more than 400,000 a year. So we can argue about whether healthimposed taxes should be considered Income Taxes on middle class people, but its totally obvious that most of the money is coming from that same group that he intended. So here is a question on the broader scale. Will democrats proposed Tax Hikes eventually impact the middle class . Can the Administration Guarantee there will not be any kind of Trickledown Effect . Well, all i know about that is that the trickledowners have been promising these massive benefits that would trickle down to the middle class each time theyve cut taxes for high income people and big corporations by trillions of dollars. The last time was in 2017, where they promised that it was going to raise wages by 5,000, that it was going to pay for itself and was going to lead to a massive increase in the Growth Rate and Investment Rate in the country. None of those things happened. Not even close. So i find it a little weird that were still having to argue with the trickledowners about the question of, well, what are going to be the trickledown negatives of increasing taxes on high income people and big corporations back to the levels that they were before, when cutting the taxes didnt generate any of the benefits that they promised. Okay, austan goolsbee, thank you so much. I was glad to ask you all those questions, really good to see you and thanks for clarifying a lot of questions, appreciate it. So for all of you, if you look there at the corner of your screen, which were now making larger, lets take a listen to the police and the report on that Breaking News out of texas on that Plane Crash in Lake Worth. The crash that occurred in our city earlier this morning, our office, our communications center, received a call at 10 53 this morning in reference to a downed military aircraft, between the 4,000 block of tejas and dakota. Our Police Units responded. Initial units reported that one pilot had ejected and was caught in some power lines. And another pilot had ejected and was found in the neighborhood nearby. As you can imagine, the officers summoned additional emergency responders. The Fire Department responded, along with our partners at medstar. Weve also relied heavily on our neighboring agencies for assistance throughout this ordeal, and that includes medstar ems, the ft. Worth Fire Department, the ft. Worth Police Department, the Tarrant County constables office, Tarrant County Emergency management is on scene assisting us as well along with the texas Emergency Management office. Regarding the specifics of the incident and whats taking place at the scene, ill turn you over to Chief Arthur to address that. Then well stick around for a few minutes to address any questions that you may have. Chief arthur. Thank you very much. Like the chief said, i am chief ryan arthur, Fire Chief here in Lake Worth. To bring you up to speed on a little bit of whats transpired since we were notified of the incident, there are three homes involved. Fortunately nobody was injured. No resident was injured. The two pilots have been transported to the hospital. We do have tremendous amount of support from our local Fire Department organizations and Police Department organizations from ft. Working, saginaw, Navy Air Station, Lockheed Martin, including Tarrant County Emergency management. Great support from them. This incident could have been much worse, knowing this plane went down in a residential area here in Lake Worth. So as i mentioned, were still on scene with our partners, ft. Worth basically going through the scene, Working With Ncis and the Navy Air Station and Lockheed Martin to ensure that all the items are photographed and then move it on from there. As i had mentioned, the three residents, three homes that were involved, we do have Red Cross On Scene for them. So we are getting assistance to those residents impacted. Is there any questions that i can answer . Ill pretty much open it up to any type of questions that the media may have for the Fire Department. Reporter the Police Chief told us a moment ago about identifying potential [ inaudible ]. Is this something you practice for . We do, yes, sir. It is a drill and a Training Exercise we do on a very regular basis. In fact through our office of Emergency Management, that is one of our highest priorities. Other cities in texas could see natural disaster such as tornadoes or ice storm, but for us it is a downed military aircraft, since we are in such a unique position. Reporter were you able to talk to the pilots at the scene, were they able to say anything about how the accident happened, how they were able to eject, what went wrong with the plane . Not at this time, no, sir. Reporter have there been other aircraft crashes, accidents . I cant be specific. I may ask the chief to come up and answer that. In my time here, no, this has not happened before. Reporter when you say the pilots ejected, did they remove themselves from the plane . Correct. Reporter or was it as a result of the crash . Correct. Reporter they removed themselves . Thats right, they did, uhhuh. Reporter i understand power is out, any idea how long that will remain . I would speculate, and this is strictly speculation, it may be a few days. The biggest thing will be to get the wreckage and the items out of the area before they can resecure power and really utilities to any of those homes. Reporter outside of the three homes, how much of the community is impacted by this, whether its Power Outages or [ inaudible ] . I would say roughly a two to Threeblock Area will be impacted surrounding that immediate location. Reporter how many residents are we talking about . Probably roughly 60 to 70 residents. Reporter any advisory to the community who may be in that immediate zone right now . The big thing for us is safety, making sure that everybody stays out of that location. We do have barriers up throughout the area. Please stay out of that area. Its going to be hazardous for now, until we get the debris cleaned out. That would be the biggest thing i can provide to the residents here in Lake Worth. Reporter are any schools or hospitals affected . Not at this time. Reporter can you tell us what type of plane it was . I cant comment. Reporter with respect to what emergency teams are dealing with in that area right now, the Plane Crashed in a residential area. Correct. Reporter [ inaudible ] the homes . Fortunately it wasnt the actual home. It was a little bit of damage that has occurred to all three residences. Actually its in a backyard. Fortunately, again, that is one of those that we can say that its very fortunate that it could have been a lot worse if it would have been a direct contact into a residence. Fortunately thats not the case. We did have some damage that occurred from, i would speculate, maybe wings or other debris that caused the damage to the homes. But as i mentioned, it could have been a lot worse for sure. Okay, everyone, were going to continue monitoring this. Again, youre hearing the chief of police, the chief of the Fire Department in Lake Worth, texas saying it could have been a lot worse. What we know is the two pilots did eject from that plane which crashed and damaged three homes. Fortunately, the good news, no residents there in Lake Worth were injured in this disaster there. We look at the top screen, in the corner, youre looking at part of the fire that erupted when that Plane Crashed among those three houses. Those two military members that were piloting that plane, one landed in power lines. Were told hes been severely injured and taken to the hospital. The other one landed in a tree. We were told earlier, that was not confirmed just now. Well keep monitoring this and see if we can get more information. When we do, well bring it to you. Meantime, with 42 Million coronavirus cases in the u. S. , the u. S. Continues to grapple with the surging delta variant. Actor and Comedian Chris Rock tweeted earlier that he has contracted covid. He says in part, trust me, you dont want this, get vaccinated. Meanwhile, cases in South Carolina soared from 150 a day to more than 5,000 per day. Schools in the state have seen the brunt of those infections. Classes, schools, even entire School Districts have gone virtual within just a month of returning to inperson learning. And in alabama, more people died last year during the onset of the pandemic than were born, marking the first time the States Population declined. To the alarming numbers out of georgia now, covid deaths have risen nearly A Thousand percent since august 1. On average, 94 georgians are dying every day, according to the States Department of health. My colleague nbcs Stephanie Stanton joins us from atlanta. Pretty shocking numbers, that escalation is remarkable, stephanie. What are you hearing on this . Reporter indeed. Good afternoon to you, alex. Health care officials here in georgia are struggling. Resources are being stretched dangerously thin as those Health Care workers struggle to deal with the influx of covid19 patients. In Fact Icu Capacity here in the state of georgia stands at 96 . Some hospitals actually had to pause some surgeries to free up Bed Space for covid patients. Now, here in the state of georgia, they track their covid cases on a daily basis. And on friday, there were roughly just over 5,000 people in the hospital, across the state. There was a slight decrease in that number, though, of 147 from the day before. As for the Case Counts on friday, there were just above 4,000 cases and there were 92 confirmed deaths. A big part of the issue here, of course, are those vaccination rates. Vaccination rates here in georgia have definitely lagged behind the rest of the country. The percentage of people who are fully vaccinated here stands at just 46 . Now, dr. Anthony fauci this morning was on cnn, and he was asked a question, if he thought this country would reach 1 Million deaths. Here is what he had to say. I certainly hope not. I hope not. I dont believe at all that that is something that is an inevitability by any means. We have the capability within our own power, with our vaccines, which are highly efficacious and effective in the real world, and safe, that if we get the overwhelming proportion of our population vaccinated, were not going to see that at all. Reporter now, there could be a small Silver Lining in all of this. We understand that georgia is starting to see a slight decrease in Case Counts. But officials say its just too early to tell if that trend is going to continue, because they are keeping an eye on the Case Numbers post the Labor Day Holiday weekend. Well see what those numbers show. Thank you so much, nbcs Stephanie Stanton in atlanta. One Business Owner calls this trend a tsunami. Next, whats behind the rush to buy books about Race And Racism. Are the Things America makes out here. The history she writes in her clear blue skies. The legends she births on Home Town fields. And the future she promises. 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Joining me now is the writer of that article, New York times reporter Elizabeth Harris and professor of africanamerican studies in georgetown university, marsha chatman. Elizabeth, you first. Tell me why you think the topic of race is becoming increasingly popular amongst a broad swath of readers. So last summer, when social justice, racial justice, excuse me, protests were seeping across the country after George Floyd was murdered, people turned to books and Bestseller Lists were filled with titles about race. As consumers were rushing to buy these books and booksellers had a lot of trouble keeping them in stock, publishers were rushing to buy more of these books so they could publish them. Now its been about a year and a lot of these books are just starting to come out along with a bunch of others that were already in the pipeline. So this fall is going to be busy. Theres books like the 1619 project thats expected to be big, a lot of books will take on these topics in different ways. One thing thats sort of important to keep in mind in these conversations is that there are a lot of people in publishing who really bristle at the idea that just because there are a lot of these books relative to what there used to be, the suggestion that the market might reach some sort of Saturation Point is frustrating to people, because if you think about, you know, there are endless diet books, right . And consumers and publishers keep buying diet books. Nobody says there are too many books about lincoln, so why is there this suggestion out there that there is a ceiling for books that deal with Race And Racism . But, you know, these books deal with can deal with these topics, but theyre very different books. If you just think about the books that are coming this fall. There are ones that look at different periods in the country, there are memoirs, there are parenting books, fiction, short stories, My Monticello is a book coming this fall thats a short story collection, childrens books, poetry. These books are not at all in the same category. Absolutely. What is the aspect, marsha, of the political and social climate that you think is contributing right now to this phenomenon . Its front and center, something we have had to bear witness to or see. Or is it more than that . I think what were seeing right now is the response to a cycle. I think we could have had this conversation in 1970. We could have had these conversations in the early 1990s. So on the one hand, theres call for accountability and greater inclusion within the publishing industry. But i think that theres a bitter irony that a lot of these books will come out in a context where weve seen ridiculous and hyperbolic campaigns against critical race theory, incredible backlash against thinking about the principles of antiracism in k12 education. I think what it illustrates is these types of books have always been available. Perhaps publishing is spending a little more time on them, but it shows there really is a shifting climate, a willingness to be accountable and engage deeply about the continuing problem of Race And Racism in our society. And in the middle of this we have this incredible body of literature that i hope people not only read but are also compelled to real action. Im curious, do you have a sense of who it is that is buying the books, the people that are gravitating to these books . Elizabeth, this would go to you, the kinds of books that are getting the most attention. Yes, you gave us A Litany of the different kinds of books relative to race that are out there, childrens books on up. But do you get a sensitive who sense of who is buying them . Its hard to know who buys book, its a difficult business to track in that way. You know, there are some books i was talking to roxanne gay, she has a new imprint starting this year focusing on voices that dont get enough attention, that could be race, that could be sexuality, all different kind of things. She was saying that some of the books about antiracism dont feel to her to be directed towards black people. She said something along the lines like, we understand racism is a thing, were good. Some of these books, people feel, are directed at white people. But not all of them, certainly. Again, this goes back to the fact that these books are all different. Can you respond to that, marcia . What are your thoughts on what she just said there . I think the concern is that in order to get the attention and the platform to have books that talk about race, that they have to be didactic or they have to be instructive about how to exist in the world. Those books may have an audience that may be unfamiliar or unpracticed on grappling with race. It lends itself to a larger conversation about what is the goal of engagement with communities that are different than we are and the power of books to unlock the ability to be empathetic and to be more productive in society. So i think that what we really should celebrate at this point is the opportunity for people to come closer to a set of ideas so that we can realize the world that we all desire. Let me ask you about how you interpret, though, the timing of all this, marcia, the growing interest in race relations. Were in a time where parts of this country, theyre trying to ban the topic from public schools. I think what happens is that there are different parts of the country that have the power to kind of open up platforms. And i think one of the consequences of the George Floyd summer is that institutions felt indicted for the calls for racial justice that they had been ignoring. And we were in the middle of the Trump Presidency which highlighted to people the real danger of letting noxious ideas about Race Fade to the background. These issues are still topics of contention. I think there can be a growing awareness of the importance of engaging with this type of work, and at the same time we always have to remain vigilant that there will be a force that tries to create a backlash. I think that unfortunately, history sometimes helps us provide more context to these battles, but i think as long as there are creative and dynamic writers who are committed to helping the broadest perspectives, that will have good work to engage with when people are ready to do so. 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