Fdas Split Decision on Vaccine Booster shots. And are the Fossil Fuel giants about to face their big Tobacco Moment . Yes or no. Do you believe nicotine is not addictive . I dont believe that nicotine or our products are addictive. I believe nicotine is not addictive. I believe that nicotine is not addictive. Congressman Ro Khanna on the hearings to investigate Fossil Fuels role in Climate Change with All In starts right now. Good evening from new york city. Im chris hayes. Politics in a functioning Liberal Democracy is about organizing people and power and institutions. It is about persuasion and argue mentation and resolving the inherent conflict within societies nonviolently, right. Things completely fall apart once you end up in a political reality in which menace and the threat of physical violence are a central factor in the life of your nations politics. That is a reality i fear is becoming common in this country. It really started to intensify during the height of the pandemic last year where we saw an inundation of threats of physical threats directed at Public Health officials who were very sensibly saying the virus is real, that we should take steps to stop its spread. We saw with national figures like dr. Anthony fauci who received so many Death Threats for being the face of Public Health in this country, the government provided him with his own Security Detail. With dr. Deborah birx who previously served as the pandemic response coordinator, she said she simply ran out of enough time to report all of the threats against her family. We also saw threats directed at state and local experts like the director of l. A. s public Health Department who was forced to publicly condemn the torrent of harassment directed at her and her colleagues. In fact, one executive in an organization representing local Health Officials said dozens of local Health Experts left their positions last year, many of whom complained about being villainized by their community. We also saw a disturbing trend of violence related to the 2020 election, and while there were incidents directed at members of both parties only one side was being actively amplified by thenPresident Of The United States who whipped his supporters into a frenzy, believing the election was going to be stolen from him. The national association of State Election directors called the runup to the election, quote, more challenging than ever imagined. Secretaries of state from both parties received Death Threats from trump supporters with Arizona Secretary of state being assigned a Security Detail this past may because the threats had not abated even six months after the election. But it wasnt just highprofile targets. One county elections official told propublica they lived in fear that one tweet from Donald Trump would invite thousands of threatening phone calls. Lest we forget, one of the trump campaigns lawyers called for a federal Security Expert to be shot for saying the 2020 election was secure. And then, of course, there was January 6th when the president s supporters made good on their threats, storming the u. S. Capitol in an attempt to use physical Force And Violence and intimidation to intimidate lawmakers into keeping Donald Trump in power. Very thats what they were doing. They were very clear about that. It was something the president not only seemed to encourage during his speech during the insurrection but as it was happening. We now know Kevin Mccarthy, the top House Republican, phoned President Trump to call off the rioters only for the president to respond, quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. So January 6th was the moment when trumps encouragement of threats of Violence Dating back to the early days of his campaign, he told his supporters to beat up protesters, finally became a reality. The fallout of that insurrection ten House Republicans and seven senate republicans were so scandalized and traumatized by what they had seen and experienced they broke partisan ranks to vote to impeach or convict Donald Trump. It was the most bipartisan impeach vote in the history of this country and it did not come without a price. First, the fallout from January 6th and the impeachment is still very much a mobilizing factor nor the fringe of the republican party. So much so that preparations are underway for a Rally Tomorrow in support of the rioters and insurrectionists, again, who as a group tried to use physical force to install Donald Trump into another term over the will of The American people. Then there are the ten House Republicans who supported impeachment. They continue to face both political pressure and, again, this sort of everpresent, looming specter of some kind of violence. In addition to losing her position in republican leadership over her vote to impeach trump, congresswoman Liz Cheney spent near 60,000 of Campaign Money on private security under a torrent of Death Threats following the Impeachment Trial. Congresswoman Jamie Herrera Butler Of Washington was first who first recounted the conversation with Kevin Mccarthy had with trump while the insurrection was ongoing, has since purchased a new Security System for her home. We just learned that congressman anthony gonzalez, a very young, Rising Star in the party, Twoterm Republican from ohio, will retire from congress at The End of his term. He was one of the yes votes on impeachment, in large part bought of the threats against him and his family over his support for that impeachment. In announcing his requirement, Congressman Gonzalez described an incident to The New York Times in which his family was greeted at the Airport By Uniformed police officers, part of an additional Security Detail following his impeachment vote. The congressman told the paper he asked himself, quote, is this really what i want for my family when they travel, to have my wife and kids escorted through the airport . Now, at one level it is the latest example of the republican party purging trump critics by any means necessary, and for his part the expresident is celebrating the victory, that threats of physical violence helped to produce, right . Helped to scare a united States Congressman into retiring, writing in a statement, one down and nine to go. Congressman Joe Neguse of california is one of the Impeachment Managers in Donald Trumps second trial who successfully convinced ten of his republican colleagues to support impeachment. He joins me here tonight. First, just your reaction to the story. I think it is a troubling development for the health of our democracy and our ability to function as a Constitutional Republic. I know anthony. He is a friend. I think he is a conservative republican member. We are the same age, we cochaired a bipartisan caucus in the congress. We have many Policy Disagreements but fundamentally he is a patriotic american. He chose to choose ultimately rather country over party and put country over party during the course of that Impeachment Trial and refused to capitulate to President Trump. I think it is a harbinger of things to come. Representative meyer who was one of the yes votes, a freshman just elected, i remember him saying something that he had other republicans telling him they were disposed to vote yes but they were literally physically scared. You know, thats partly selfserving but i guess im curious. You know, theres a certain level of which in the world of Social Media people say all sorts of stuff, right . I mean Everyone Sort of gets used to that. It does seem to me theres a little bit of difference in kind here to when you get the bullseye on you from the Trump Maga folks that is different than the normal stuff. Oh, no question. I think theres certainly a distinction and a difference. The threat is very real, and one of the distinctions of this particular era that were living in that i find so disturbing is the normalization of political violence. In particular, the Yu Bic witty of that violence across multiple areas of civic life. You talked about it. I dont think anybody would imagine you would have threats of violence against public hello fishes. Yeah. Local county clerks. Again i think it is a warning signal, an alarm with respect to the health of our Constitutional Republic and whether we can continue to function in that way with this kind of normalization of political violence. Then, of course, you have the expresident stoking it. This is his comment on the folks that are, you know, pending trial, many of whom are out on bail, some of whom are still incarcerated. Our hearts and minds are with the people being persecuted so unfairly relating to the January 6th protest concerning the rigged president ial election. In addition to everything else, it has proven conclusively we are a twotiered system of just nis. In The End, however, justice will prevail. That voice and that Message Matter for the folks in that party. Thats right. It has not gone away. One of my concerns is i think we have been lulled into a sense of complacency, that the threats that existed on January 6th have somehow gone away. They have metastasized. It has been under the surface, perhaps because the former president no longer has a Twitter Account and facebook page. Theyre not on the front page of the newspaper every day, but rest assured those threats still exist. Of course, as though you needed more evidence of that, we see the rally scheduled to take place tomorrow, literally nine months after the insurrection. Are you worried about that . I am. I certainly hope that there is no violence, that it doesnt descend into the type of violence we experienced firsthand on January 6th. I was there at the capitol on the floor during the insurrection. I think that there were lessoned learned in terms of our Police Posture and so forth, so i am certainly hoping it doesnt descent into violence. The mere fact it is happening should concern every american. Yeah. I mean one thing i think that is probably useful to communicate to folks is that, you know, i spent time around members of congress like yourself. You dont go around with a huge security retinue. You basically live like normal people, right . Yes. So this stuff gets in your head a little bit. I mean i think you can see it. I want to play what gonzalez said, but him saying that to The Times struck me, that it was the moment. Like you show up in an airport and i think someone like yourself, you are used to going where you go like a normal person. And to have, you know, your kid is going to put their hand in the hand of a cop to go through the airport is really sort of unnerving. Here is what he said in a local interview. The truth is the environment is very toxic, and especially, you know, the dynamics inside our own party which have sort of stopped making sense to they in a lot of ways. We just seem to have lost the ability to dialogue and to reason and to do it in a way thats respectful and thoughtful inside of politics. Our politics has gotten so polluted that, you know, that environment for me personally is just not one that im willing to be a part of going forward. Theres also a Selection Process here which i find really unnerving, which is that, you know, he is going to be replaced most likely, it is a very red district, with the kind of person who is devotee of Donald Trump, maybe thinks the election was rigged. It probably will be a Litmus Test in that race. Thats right. He committed the cardinal sin which is to go against former President Trump. I suspect his replacement will be a Farright Member who will adhere to the philosophy that has taken hold in the House Republican caucus. I continue agree more with what Representative Gonzalez said. I hope more americans listen to his message to the extent we can debate policy issues in an intellectual way and not have it descend into threats that pose real risks to those of us with families and children and so forth. What is it like on The Hill now . It was so toxic for first few months. Folks like yourself come on my program, i was in conversation off the record with members of congress and it was just so clear, like, you guys were kind of traumatized. B, just in a very, very Work Environment just as human, in a Work Environment. It was clearly very bad. Has it improved . It is hard to say, chris, but if i was compelled to answer i would say it hasnt. It is just as vitriolic and it was before. The staff at the capitol were encouraged not to come to Work Today because of another protest that was planned that could very well descend into violence. Congressman Joe Neguse, who is my first Onset Guest in 18 months. I think the last time i was sitting in a studio with someone it was like the mayor of new York Feeling like, well, were hoping that it doesnt go. Thats really wild. It is great to have you here. Good to be back. Hope to see you again soon. The latest reporting outlines the paranoia of the crowd ahead of tomorrows event. The reporting was illuminating to me insofar as the paranoia has extended so far enough that they have convinced themselves that the event they planned is a false flag. Yeah. So were seeing a lot of on the floor where sorry. On the forms that were before im hearing feedback so it makes me sound a little crazy. But on the forms before that were like really cheering the January 6th rally, those people are all now saying dont go, this is a false flag, this is a honey pot, this is a Fed Trap to make you commit crimes. So nobody is going that we can really tell. It also seems that theres a little bit of Face Saving here from some folks, particularly from the expresident , which is that it looks like maybe it was headed towards being a little bit of a dud and a bust and some people trying to sort of get out of ahead of that. Yeah. So this protest or this rally is being planned by this guy, matt braynard. He was fired according to him, and so he started this group, look ahead america. Basically he is a D List Player in Trump World and maga politics. He, like so many others, found a really decent Business Off Questioning the integrity of the 2020 election. He raised more than 650,000 to investigate this socalled voter fraud. We can see how that went. Now, hes pivoting to January 6th conspiracy theories, claiming that the doj has sort of unfairly prosecuted January 6th people, that they were just sort of roaming around the capitol and they should all be free. So for me it is really a story about a smalltime political wannabe riding the Maga Wave in order to make money. Right. But it also really is important to say that this is a it is an idea that really permeates the far right. So if it were someone with a little more gravitas, if it were someone with a little better standing in maga world, we may be looking at something very, very different. See, this is what has been striking to me about this also, is the difference between a universe in which Donald Trump is the President Of The United States and on every platform, rallying people to go do something, and him not being that. I mean that really does make a difference. It was apparent on January 6th, and in watching this develop, him not being on twitter, him not being on facebook, him not being president all seems to me massively important in terms of how many people can be sort of riled up to go to something like this. Donald trump was an incredible unifier of extremist factions, from qanon to antivaxxers, antimaskers, to militia groups, to, you know, proud boys, street thugs. You name it, he could really rally them to all come together. You know, he did it several times, and the last time that he managed to do it for the rally on the Capitol We Saw what happened. So it is good news in terms of tomorrow. We dont really expect to see the sort of violence that we saw or anywhere close to on January 6th, but, you know, again, you know, that stuff is still there. The ideas are still out there. Like you showed so well in your first segment, you know, the way we are seeing that violence is that lower, local level. So we are seeing, you know, doctors and Health Care professionals being harassed and sometimes assaulted. We are seeing journalists being assaulted in portland and in l. A. During antitrans protests. We are seeing School Board meetings where Qanon People and antimaskers and general people who want to make a name for themselves are getting up and harassing School Board members or harassing School Board members as they leave, saying, we know where you live. It is an environment where violence is sort of just there all around us all the time, and then you have this plausible deniability and this gaslighting where, you know, members of the right say, oh, were just going to the School Board meeting. Oh, we are just exercising our first Amendment Rights. Oh, were just going to the capitol and, you know, the cops opened up the gates so it is fine, and it is not. I think we have to call violence and the threat of violence when we see it. Brandy, thanks for joining us tonight. Great reporting as always. One month after the president announced Booster Shots for all americans were coming, the fda pulls the hand brake. So just who will actually be eligible for a booster . Are you confused about this . I am somewhat confused. We will try to sort it out next. Breeze drifting on by you know how i feel [man coughing] its a new dawn, its a new day. No matter how you got copd its time to make a stand. And im feelin good start a new day with trelegy. 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However, the committee voted against giving Booster Shots of the Pfizer Vaccine to most eligible americans, meaning people over 16, which is somewhat of a blow to the biden administration as it had been originally hoping for approval to begin rolling out extra doses to every american adult starting next week. The decision not on offer the extra boosters to most americans seem to come down to data that did not quite justify a booster when the vaccine appears to still be working the way it is designed to, which is protecting against severe illness, Hospitalization And Death. One Fda Committee Member told The New York Times that it is unclear that everyone needs to be boosted other than a Sub Set of the population that clearly would be at a high risk for serious disease. The question now becomes what next. To help answer that i want to bring in dr. Celine gounder, an infectious Disease Actor and former member of the Biden Covid19 Advisory board. Before we get to the vote i want to start with the data bought theres an israeli dataset i think was probably the most useful, and i didnt quite understand what they data said. It seemed to me to suggest that the benefit to the immunity, immune protection from a booster was really small and short, like 12 days. What is that data what does the data say that this was grounded on . Chris, you know, i think what the data clearly shows is that among the elderly, which the israelis define as over 60, in that Age Group you do see an increased risk of severe disease, Hospitalization And Death. However, that data was really inconclusive as to whether there was truly an increased risk among younger people. It really did require digging in, looking at that data more closely and analyzing it more closely to really understand some of the trends that were seeing over time and trying to sort out what is waning immunity or not, what is related to the Delta Variant or not, and what is related simply to the fact that older people got vaccinated first. Okay. Let me take a step back. When you say the increased risk, right, you are talking about there is a suggestion people 65 and older, of senior citizens, the longer they went the more that risk of that severe illness increased. So thats one finding. Then the question becomes if were seeing some immunity waning, is another shot doing the trick, right . And it seems to be suggestive on both but not a slam dunk, is that a fair characterization . I think thats right. I think theres pretty good evidence that there is increased risk of severe disease, Hospitalization And Death among the elderly with time since vaccination. With respect to whether an additional dose of vaccine restores that immunity, thats really unclear honestly from this data because they had such a short period of followup. You know, only a couple of weeks of followup is really not enough to tell you are you boosting that level of immunity long term or is it really just a shortterm boost. I see. So the Recommendation Today is seniors over 65 should get a Booster Shot, an theres i think sufficient supply, right . Theres also then this question of using the doses that exist, and theres something of a zero Sum Game because theres a certain amount of doses. This was a recent piece in lancet echoing things that w. H. O. Had said, calling for moratorium on boosting until the benefits of primary vaccination have been made available to more people around the world. This is a compelling issue, particularly as currently available evidence does not show the need for widespread use of Booster Vaccination in populations that have received an effective primary vaccination regimen. That consideration is outside of the fdas portfolio, correct . Like theyre making this solely based on the data . Yeah. The fda really just rules on Safety And Effectiveness of the vaccines. Theyre not in the business of making broader Public Health recommendations. You know, are these vaccine doses best used here in the united states or are they best used around the world, thats really not their mandate. So they really just ruled specifically on the data, looking at was there an increased risk of severe disease, Hospitalization And Death, and in which populations. So, therefore, which populations would benefit from an additional dose . So people that are over 65 are recommended to get a Booster Shot starting soon, i think, and thats going to be available. I guess i didnt quite understand as i was tracking this the source. It seemed like there was an intense controversy and a fight happening inside the government, right . Youve got two fda people who even resigned over it when Joe Biden came out in august saying this is going to be our plan. I guess i just didnt quite understand what the stakes of that fight were. Is this just like people had different views on what the data said . Was there something deeper i was missing in terms of Sub Text . I think this is a different read of the data, and i think it depends to some degree, are you a basic scientist looking at Laboratory Data at Antibody Levels, are you an epidemiologist who looks at Bigpicture Population data or are you looking at both. I think that does somewhat bias the perspective of the specific scientist looking at the data. I think thats also where some of this schism occurred, was between people who are looking at this Big Picture at the Population Level and people looking at the Laboratory Level. What you are saying is you see looking at the Laboratory Level you see boosted immunities and levels, so theres a case for this. If you are looking at the Population Level, youre looking at how long does it last and whats the efficacy of deploying a booster at scale, what does it get us . Is that what youre saying . Thats exactly right. Are you relying on antibodies to really tell us what immunity is going to look like, and we know that, yes, with an infection or with a vaccination you see a spike in Antibody Levels, but those levels will wane. They will come down. If they did no, if you had high Antibody Levels to every single Infection Or Vaccination you had in your lifetime, your blood would literally turn to sludge. So we rely on Memory Cells to kickback into play and Rev Up Antibody Responses when you are reexposed. Right. Okay. Final question then i will let you go. Should we anticipate this is going to be like the Flu Shot where theres yearly, you know, were getting vaccinated for it routinely or is it more like tetanus . Yeah, this is where i think the terminology of booster is wrong. It is really an additional dose. Most vaccines are given as two, three or fourdose regimens. So we anticipate that eventually this will be a threedose regimen. Okay. All right. Thats helpful. Dr. Celine gounder, thank you for making time tonight. My pleasure. Still ahead, an appalling reminder of the carnage of u. S. Counterterror policy as the pentagon finally admits the truth about the Drone Attack that killed an Aid Worker and seven kids in kabul. Thats next. 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You will remember 13 american service members lost their lives in that attack alongside more than 170 afghans according to the washington post. It was brutal. It happened right by the airport amidst this crowd. Just days later the u. S. Conducted a Drone Strike on a man the military believed was a, quote, isis facilitator. Days after the attack the nations top military officer, general mark milley, defended the strike amid reports of civilian deaths saying, quote, at this point we think the procedures were correctly followed and that this was a righteous strike. Well, today the pentagon admitted it was not an attack on an isis facilitator, it was, instead, an attack on ten afghan civilians including seven children. These are images of those who were killed in the strike according to The New York Times and the independent. The adults were zamari ahmadi, his Cousin Nassa and and his 20yearold son zamir. His younger sons were also killed as well as his nephews. Three young girls were also killed in the strike, little girls, hyat, samia and manika. All of them have names, like our children have names. Socalled explosives the military claimed think saw in the back of the truck were likely water bottles. With that extensive reporting from The New York Times which did an incredible job investigating footage leading to the strike and showing fairly conclusively that they killed the wrong person, people, it is hard to know if we would have heard the Pentagon Say today they mistakenly killed ten people, ten innocent people living their lives. Here is the thing. Killings by our government and our military like this are not new. In fact, they have been frequent, horrifically so throughout the two decades of war the u. S. Has waged in afghanistan. They are a huge part of the reason it was time for the u. S. To leave afghanistan and why so many civilians were happy to see us go. Craig whitlock is an investigative reporter for the washington post, author of the Afghanistan Papers, a secret history of the war and he joins me now. Craig, I Cant help but feel a certain frustration with the reaction to this insofar as this has been something very common throughout the War On Terror and has been largely occluded from the consciousness of The American Public By and large. You know, what was unusual about this case, chris, is that there was such extensive evidence collected by News Media Organizations in terms of Surveillance Video and witness statements that showed very clearly that the targets here were not terrorists, that this was an Aid Worker and his family, that the Pentagons Account of what happened originally just didnt stand up to scrutiny. Thats because this happened in kabul and there were lots of reporters around, but most of the airstrikes and Drone Strikes in afghanistan and other places occurred in Rural Areas where theres no journalists there to witness it, where they can only come in days later. So what is unusual about this case is that there was essentially video of what happened and it was pretty well documented that the official version was false. Brown University Cost of War Project said this. In fact, that we had sort of amped up our strikes in 2019, 2020, then in 2019 airstrikes killed 700 civilians, more civilians than in any other year since the beginning of the war in 01 and 02. And the number of civilians killed by international airstrikes increased 330 from 2016, the last full year of the Obama Administration to 2019. So there had been an increased pace of this kind of activity in the last few years. Yeah. And this is a time when The American public really wasnt paying very much attention to afghanistan, but under President Trump the number of airstrikes in the war of afghanistan intensified to new levels that hadnt been seen previously in the war. So even though we had many fewer troops on the ground in afghanistan than we did at the height of the surge under president obama, the Air Wars reached new Record Levels of airstrikes and the number of civilian casualties increased every year. This went on until the last year or so when the u. S. Sort of had a truce of sorts with the taliban. But this is something that is absolutely true. The number of civilian casualties increased year by year and the airstrikes reaching new levels. This sort of thing was unfortunately common in afghanistan in the last few years. And particularly outside of kabul, right, in Rural Areas. This dispatch filed for the Wall Street Journal i thought was very good. It was the fact in the rural district theres basically something approaching peace in two decades. In afghanistans rural districts where taliban rules dont differ that much from existing customs the calculation is different. To villagers here, the collapse of the Afghan Republic and the sufficient withdrawal mean, above all, that guns have fallen silent for first time in two decades. Thats right, chris. Something else i want to point out about the strike. The pentagon said today that the threshold for them to get the green light to fire this missile was only that they needed a reasonable certainty, is how they described it, that the target, in fact, posed an imminent threat. So reasonable certainty. That doesnt sound very iron clad. That almost sounds like a little more than 50 guess that they think the target is a threat. Thats something that the pentagon acknowledged, they need to raise that threshold in the future. Thats something i think warrants a lot more scrutiny. Here you have not just an attack but it was in kabul, the most populated city in afghanistan, where they knew there were going to be lots of civilians around. Thats the kind of threshold that i think the military, but congress as well, needs to take a closer look at because this is a tactic that, as you pointed out, has been going on for 20 years, thats really the heart of our counterterrorism operations. But going forward, you know, theres some question as to how not only effective this is in terms of hurting civilians or actually killing suspected terrorists, but does it cause more problems than it solves in terms of the backlash among civilians in that area . Because, you know, theres no question, as you point out, Rural Areas of afghanistan, theres people are just so tired of war and tired of the violence, and people arent real keen on the taliban, but they just wanted the fighting to stop. 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That story and those revelations from the big Oil Lobbyist reminded me what happened with Big Tobacco. The big seven Tobacco Companies, largest in the u. S. , held incredible Power And Influence over american politics for many, many years, and they went essentially unregulated decade after decade, long after we actually knew smoking carried a whole host of health risks. There were some efforts to control over time, right. First requiring a surgeon generals warning on Cigarette Packs in 1965, then banning all Tv Advertisements for cigarettes in 1971. Again, a pretty big step. Banning smoking on domestic flights, lasting less than six hours in 1990. It wasnt until 1994 when the chief executives of the big seven were called to testify before congress we finally started to learn the truth about what the Tobacco Companies knew and what they were trying to hide. Finally under oath, chief executives, top men of the nations seven biggest Tobacco Companies, facing a subcommittee chaired by one of the industrys fiercest critics, congress men henry waxman, who accused them of manipulating Nicotine Content to keep smokers hooked. Not so. We do not spike our cigarettes. Now the committee moved to the Bottom Line, addiction. Yes or no. Do you believe nicotine is not addictive . I dont believe nicotine or our products are addictive. I believe nicotine is not addictive. I believe that nicotine is not addictive. I believe that nicotine is not addictive. And i, too, believe that nicotine is not addictive. Sure, guys. Just a few weeks after that hearing The New York Times received leaked documents that proved a major Tobacco Company had known about the Health Hazards of cigarettes for decades and chose to remain silent to keep their research results secret to stop work on a safer cigarette and to pursue a legal and public Relations Strategy of admitting nothing. The Tobacco Companies lies, and they were lies, worked at a certain level. It bought them many years and probably billions and billions of dollars in revenue. All of those executives, they got rich. They had great retirements, probably passed on a lot of wealth to their kids. All the while people were dying. Now in the year 2021 the Oil Industry is basically doing the same thing, but in this case it is our entire planet and all of us who are going to pay. What are we going to do about it . 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Now the house is investigating. The House Environmental Committee sent letters requesting information on their role in spreading disinformation setting a hearing date. Congressman Ro Khanna joins me now. Tell me what the idea behind this hearing is . Chris, you framed it exactly correctly. We want to have Big Oil hearings like waxman had the Big Tobacco hearings. In fact, people advising waxman are actually helping us craft the investigation. There are three main objectives. First, get the executives to admit that climate Disinformation Theyve had in the past. Second, ask what the ongoing activities are in killing climate Legislation Or Funding Shadow Groups. Third, get them to commit to stop that and not run interference in the president s agenda. Well, theyre probably not going to do the third, right . Well, look, i mean theyve told their own Board Of Directors that theyre for sustainability. I mean theyre telling The American public, even in response to our letters, theyre saying that they actually are for good climate policy. So they have the first Amendment Right to kill climate legislation, but what they dont have the first Amendment Right is to lie. They Cant Lie to the Board Of Directors, they Cant Lie to their customers, so they need to come clean in what theyre actually doing. Yeah. I want to play this little bit again from this, that sort of interview with the lobbyist that was recorded by the greenpeace folks and then published by in the uk, of him talking about the Carbon Tax which i think is fascinating. Basically you have a number of these coming, you say, oh, yeah, we support a Carbon Tax. You think, thats weird, i wouldnt expect that. He explains kwl thats the case. Take a listen. Nobody is going to propose a tax on all of it, and in the cynical side of me says, yeah, we kind of know that. But it gives us a Talking Point that we can say, well, what is exxonmobil for, were for Carbon Tax. No, a Carbon Tax isnt going happen. The Bottom Line is that it is going to take political courage, political will in order to get something done, and that doesnt exist in politics. It just doesnt. What do you think of that . Well, it is the most cynical explanation and we have actually reached out to mccoy. Exxon has already produced documents to our committee concerning all of that, some very concerning documents i dont want to go into. But theyre going to have a lot of explaining to do, and the reality is this, chris. The clips you played with Big Tobacco, what really killed them is those executives coming to Congress And Lie in. I think if the Oil Executives come before our committee and lie, theyre going to be done. The best thing they can do is come clean, tell us exactly what theyve been doing and commit to stopping it. Yeah, why does It Matter . I mean i would love for the record to reflect what they know and what theyve known, but why does that matter . Well, why It Matter is were going to ask them are you going to stop spending millions and millions of dollars on killing climate legislation, and they have one of two choices. Either they say, no, in which case theyre basically lying to their Board Of Directors, lying to The American public, or they say, yes, and then if they continue to do it theyve committed perjury. The Reason Theyve gotten away with this is because, frankly, democrats havent controlled congress that much over the last 20 some years, so weve never had the power of subpoena and we havent been willing to use it. Carolyn maloney and i have said youre going to come in, we are willing to use any tool in our tool box. So they really now are going to be under oath and it is a different ball game. What are they doing up on The Hill right now . I mean you have got this you know, you have the clean Energy Standard. It has been changed around a little bit, clean electricity standard, it will be an amount of money paid to utilities to get into reconciliation, but it will be key, right . We want to get utilities moving away from Fossil Fuel, and how active are they on The Hill right now on this pressing point . Theyre very active. I mean the clean Energy Standard in my view is the most important part about the reconciliation bill. It would create both incentives and stakes for utilities to move towards renewable energy by 2030, and those lobbyists are working, from what i hear, both with House Democrats, some House Democrats and senators to try to say kill it or weaken it. What were saying is now theres going to be a Magnifying Glass because you have to answer under oath whether you are engaged in that kind of lobbying. If you are, you are going to have to explain it to The American public. When you say lying to their shareholders, i mean theres an interesting the angle here, right, is that they know that their Business Model is not sustainable long term. Like you Cant Pull Oil out of the ground in 2080, you just cant do it, right . So they have to have some story theyre telling shareholders and financial markets about what theyre going to do. Chris, youre right. Actually, i was in new york a couple of days ago and someone in the Finance Industry said they have a Capital Problem with esg investment. They know that giving investment into Oil And Gas companies without a Sustainability Plan is much more expensive investment. So they understand all of that. They had Activist Board of directors, exxon did, elected who said, we want to have a green energy plan. Darryn woods, the ceo, has said, okay, i want to have a green energy plan. We support climate legislation. Thats their public posture. They cant then simultaneously being funding Third Party groups to kill climate legislation. They cant be misleading their own company shareholders. I think thats really the crux of their lie act. Congressman Ro Khanna, we will keep our eyes on that coming up. Thank you. That is All In nor this week. The Rachel Maddow Show starts right now. Good evening. Good evening. I wish you a happy and restful weekend. Do you have any big plans . A little. Yes, some Block Party, some Block Party action, some hanging with the kiddos and with kate. Block parties . Yeah. It is Block Party season in new york city. Wow. I forget this is the time of year, they put the little police horses on each side of the block and then you know what is the most amazing thing . You take cars away from any street and it just becomes a party. Thats literally what a Block Party is. You get rid of cars and you have a party. Thats why people go to paris. Thats why they love it. You walk around, theres no cars. 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