Tomorrow. Now its time for The Last Word with lawrence odonnell. Good evening, lawrence. Good evening, rachel. I have on the Desk Tonight the Book Peril. It seems like every other week, there is a new book of great import. This is by my Count Bob woodwards 14th Book on the presidency and his first book coauthored with Robert Costa. Were going to be discussing it tonight because of the revelations that are now being focused on in some Media Reports about Paul Ryan as Speaker Of The House Consulting Psychiatry papers about narcissistic Personality Disorder to try to figure out how to deal with Donald Trump. Yeah. So Mary Trump, who has made a Lifetime Study both professionally and otherwise of Donald Trump in this problem, is going to take us through what she what would be her perspective on what Paul Ryan must have experienced with Donald Trump. Yeah. Shes the in the venn diagram, shes the only person in the overlap between trained Mental Health professional and lifelong observer from childhood of Donald Trump. Shes the one. The invaluable perspective on Donald Trump. It was just so lucky that she chose the Educational Path she chose and is such a Smart Talker and great writer about it. So were lucky to have her tonight. Awesome. Thank you, lawrence. Thank you, rachel. Well, Bob Woodward and Robert Costas new Book Peril reveals that after Donald Trump was elected president , republican house speaker Paul Ryan consulted a doctor and studied psychiatric research to figure out how to deal with Donald Trump since trump was so obviously mentally unstable. In their book, Woodward And Costa report, quote, once trump won, ryan was caught off guard. He now had to deal with him. Ryan began, on his own, to research how to deal with someone who is amoral and transactional. The exercise initially was difficult. Ryan liked to call himself a policy guy, but his wonkiness did not extend from the realm of social Security And Medicare into psychiatry. Then, a wealthy new York Doctor and republican donor called ryan and said, you need to understand what narcissistic Personality Disorder is. What, ryan asked. The doctor sent ryan a memo and an email with his thoughts on how to best deal with a person with antisocial Personality Disorder. He also sent along hyperlinks to dense articles in the new England Journal of medicine. The memo contained material from the international statistical classification of diseases and related health problems, 10th edition, called icd10. Ryan studied them for weeks, convinced trump had the Personality Disorder. Ryans main takeaway, do not humiliate trump in public. Humiliating a narcissist risked real danger, a frantic lashing out if he felt threatened or criticized. On a visit to Trump Tower on december 9, 2016, Paul Ryan found the President Elect incapable of concentrating on anything. Quote, trump nodded as ryan spoke earnestly about taxes and Health Care, then looked down at his cell phone, which was ringing. It was Sean Hannity of fox news. He answered The Call as ryan and his advisers sat silent. Yeah, im here with paul, trump told hannity. Oh, you want to talk with him . Trump looked at ryan, then put The Call on speaker phone. Sean, talk to paul, he told the host, and hannity did for about seven minutes. We dont know whether Paul Ryans study of Donald Trumps Personality Disorder included listening to the psychiatrists who appeared on this program to discuss that very subject beginning exactly one month into the presidency on february 21st, 2017. If we could construct a psychiatric frankenstein monster, we could not create a leader more dangerously mentally ill than Donald Trump. Hes a paranoid, Psychopathic Narcissist who is divorced from reality and lashes out impulsively at his imagined enemies. This is someone, as you mentioned, who is handling the nuclear codes. He lies because of his sociopathic tendencies. He cant stand that aspect of reality that he doesnt want. So he rejects it. His grasp of reality and his attention to reality is loose, an extremely dangerous in a trait that actually makes him unqualified. Hes just sane enough, as it were, to pass but actually detached from reality so that what is real is fluid. Its totally malleable according to his Personality Disorder. So you have someone handling the nuclear codes who is not in touch with reality and who is paranoid, who actually imagines that hes under attack by people who are not actually attacking him. Then what you have is a very dangerous combination of someone who can act on his paranoid fantasies in a way that can have catastrophic consequences. Paul ryans rule of not humiliating trump in public was broken on august 15th, 2017. Here is the Woodward And Costa account in peril. Quote, a lasting rupture came on august 15th, 2017. On a Hiking Trip with his family, a member of ryans eightperson Security Team approached with the satellite phone. On the line, an adviser had bad news. Trump was at it again, blaming both sides for charlottesville. The media was asking for a comment. Ryan sighed. This time, he had to pop trump publicly. Standing alone on the side of a mountain, ryan began to dictate a Cutting Statement that was then tweeted out. Paul ryan actually tweeted, we must be clear. White supremacy is repulsive. This bigotry is counter to all this country stands for. There can be no moral ambiguity. Woodward and costa report, once back in normal cellular range, ryans phone buzzed. It was trump. Youre not in the foxhole with me, trump screamed. Ryan yelled back, are you finished . May i have some time to speak now . Youre the President Of The United States. You have a moral Leadership Obligation to get this right and not declare there is a moral equivalency here. These people love me. These are my people, trump shot back. I cant backstab the people who support me. In charlottesville, nazis were chanting jews will not replace us, and Donald Trump said, these people love me. One of the nazis drove his car into a crowd of people and killed heather heyer, and Donald Trump said, these people love me. These are my people. Donald trump said, i cant backstab the people who support me. Thats why Donald Trump has never and will never condemn the Trump Mob of criminals and terrorists who attacked the capitol. And tonight Paul Ryan, who was once the republican nominee for Vice President of the united states and Speaker Of The House of representatives and the republican most likely to someday be nominated for president , is a private citizen who was, in effect, knocked out of politics by Donald Trump in 2019 and is living the rich, quiet life of, among other things, being a member of the Board Of Directors of fox news. And Donald Trump, who was knocked out of office by Joe Biden, remains the leader of what is left of the republican party. Leading off our Discussion Tonight is democratic Congressman Hakeem jeffries of New York. He is the chairman of the house democratic caucus. Congressman jeffries, thank you very much for joining us tonight. What was your reaction to what were learning in Bob Woodward and Robert Costas book about Paul Ryans interaction with Donald Trump and his preparation for dealing with what he considered to be, at minimum, a mentally unstable incoming president . Well, its extraordinary, but the challenge in dealing with Donald Trump is that not only is he a malignant narcissist, but he of course is a psychopath and a pathological liar at the same time. Thats pretty complicated for an ordinary citizen. Its incredible to have to deal with someone of that nature as the President Of The United States of america. The challenge that the republicans have had is that they accepted Donald Trump for who he was and continues to be in part because of the desire for the Acquisition And Maintenance of Raw Power to accomplish their own policy objectives. In the case of Paul Ryan, thats cutting taxes for the wealthy, the well off, and the well connected. And in the case of Mitch Mcconnell, thats to jam rightwing supreme court justices down the throats of the american people to take us back to the dark ages. So youre Paul Ryan. Youre the Speaker Of The House. Youre second in line for the presidency after the Vice President of the united states in the line of succession. And youre working with a president of your own party who you believe has Mental Health problems in the extreme. And he seems to have done nothing about it except come up with a tactic for verbally dealing with trump himself. But he did nothing on the record that we know about so far to protect the country from this kind of president. That certainly is the case, but things have deteriorated from there because i think Paul Ryan is fundamentally a good man. I disagree with him on policy, and clearly he had some challenges, but right now you have a House Republican Leader in Kevin Mccarthy who is a wholly owned subsidiary of Donald Trump. And its solely because he sees Trump And Trumpism as a Pathway Back to house republican control of the majority, which would be a frightening thing because it would and the rest of that group of individuals. Can i ask what is the difference in effect between Paul Ryan as the leader of republicans in the house and Kevin Mccarthy as the leader of republicans in the house . Its a great question. I think at least Paul Ryan had some Policy Goals and objectives that he wanted to achieve, most of which we disagreed with. But Paul Ryan was very helpful in working with some of us on the other side of the aisle, for instance in getting criminal Justice Reform over the finish line. Kevin mccarthy is all about the acquisition of power. Thats it. There is no ideology. There is no policy concerns. Theres no effort to try to improve the lives of Everyday Americans to work with us as democrats to crush the virus or improve the economy. And in order for Kevin Mccarthy to achieve his ambition, he has decided that, im just going to bend the knee to Donald Trump. It doesnt matter that he sparked a violent Insurrection And Attack on the capitol that was an extraordinary event in american history and is dangerous. Kevin mccarthy still hasnt denounced this hatefilled, violent rally that is being planned on saturday outside of the capitol to defend the insurrectionists. Are you satisfied with what you know to be the preparations for the security of the capitol this weekend . Yes. I know Speaker Pelosi has been in close communication with all of the Security Officials who are new. We have a new Police Chief of the Capitol Hill Police squad, and we have a new sergeant at arms, and we have, perhaps most importantly, have a biden administration that is going to take this effort seriously, not potentially hold back the national guard to the extent the need arises. Congressman Hakeem Jeffries of New York, thank you very much for starting off our Discussion Tonight. Thank you, lawrence. And joining us now is Mary Trump, the author of the book the reckoning our Nations Trauma and finding a way to heal. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Im eager to get your reaction to the Woodward And Costa account of Paul Ryan doing his psychiatric homework on narcissistic Personality Disorder during the president ial transition as he was trying to figure out President Elect Donald Trump. As is often the case, its shocking but not surprising. One of the things thats shocking about it is that Paul Ryan was allegedly found flatfooted after the election when anybody who was paying attention, anybody with some modicum of Intelligence And Insight who had Met Donald for five minutes would have known what a deeply psychologically disordered person he was. So for Paul Ryan to have waited for donald to be in the Oval Office before doing his homework and attempting to put up safeguards long after he actually could have done something to make a difference is, i think, testament to how we got where we are, the kind of fecklessness of people like Paul Ryan and jeff flake, who instead of taking a stand against what was clearly a dangerous and incompetent person, they just stood aside and let him ascend to power and then have left the rest of us to deal with the quite serious fallout. It seems that Paul Ryans personal strategy in all of this, once he saw how impossible it was to deal with this madman in the White House was to basically track his own personal Exit Strategy not just from the speakership, not just from the house of representatives, but from politics entirely and land as softly and as richly as he could on corporate boards like fox news. Now, that was apparently his his route of moral responsibility that he found for himself. Yeah. I guess he just found it too difficult to stay in the fight and try to save his party from its worst instincts, which obviously were championed by donald. So the problem is because potentially moderating influences and im not suggesting that he ultimately would have been, but at the time, the belief was that people like Paul Ryan would be some kind of moderating influence. Because they chose to be cowards and get out of public life, we now understand that donald is not the End Result of how bad the republican party can be. Hes the leading edge of it. Mary trump, as a psychology professional, this is the thing that has been mystifying me since the weeks after the inauguration. When Donald Trump was running for president and should have been losing, there were times when i used to just theoretically say to myself, occasionally to others, it would be so interesting to see him win the presidency because then he would discover that Paul Ryan is more powerful than he is, that the Speaker Of The House actually tells the president what is possible legislatively and that the Senate Majority Leader is more powerful than the president is on domestic policy issues. And then i saw Something Id never seen before, the collective collapse of the male ego. Paul ryan, Mitch Mcconnell, all these republican chairmen of powerful committees who used to love to defy President S of their own party and other parties, just if nothing else to show how powerful they were. And in washington, among republican men, suddenly the male ego evaporated in the face of Donald Trump. And ive never had a satisfactory explanation of that. Well, i think that is true in some cases. In some cases, i think its also true that there are many elective republicans who absolutely agree with donald and his hateful rhetoric. And then i think people like Mitch Mcconnell are playing a long game. And as representative jeffries said earlier, he sees donald as an opportunity to retain and cling to Raw Power no matter how illegitimately he gets his hands on it. So hes willing to make certain concessions because behind closed doors, i still think that there is nobody more powerful than Mitch Mcconnell. As you see this kind of reporting come out from Bob Woodward and Robert Costa and you see now that people were actually thinking about your uncle in the terms that you had been thinking about him before he even became a politician, and you see Paul Ryan doing this psychiatric homework on your uncle, did you feel you must have felt very frustrated about at least publicly how long it took them to catch on to just how far gone he was. Yeah. It honestly, lawrence, mystifies me because its not as if donald has a poker face, you know . Hes exactly who he is. He has no private self. Hes all what we call false self. Hes the same in any context, in any situation. So, again, if youre paying the slightest bit of attention, you know that. You know what he would be capable of doing. And as youve said before, the republicans had so many opportunities. They had so many offramps to cut ties with him and to defend our country against him, and yet they never did. I mean im very glad that general milley took the steps he took, and obviously theres a lot we still dont know. But, you know, giving an anonymous interview to Bob Woodward just doesnt cut it, im afraid. So we have a lot of soul searching to do, and we have we have to ensure going forward that our institutions are safeguarded because what donald has shown us, not purposely of course, is that fragile institutions bend towards the greatest dysfunction. And it turns out that our institutions and our system are very, very fragile indeed. Mary trump, i can never thank you enough for joining us. I hope as you heard rachel and i discussing at the beginning of the hour, your perspective on your uncle, both professional and personal, is so invaluable to this country to understand what we have been through, what we continue to go through, and for historians. Just cannot thank you enough, Mary Trump. Really appreciate it. Thank you, lawrence. Thank you. Coming up, well be joined next by my friend and sometimes neighbor Gene Sperling. Weve worked together when Gene Sperling was an economic adviser to President Bill clinton and i was Chief Of Staff of the senate finance committee. And we worked together again when Gene Sperling was a consultant to the nbc drama the west wing, and i was a Writer And Executive producer on that show. 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President Biden And Congressional Democrats want to extend the Child Tax Credit expansion through 2025. On sunday, democratic senator Joe Manchin was asked about making it permanent. Do you support making it permanent . Well, i support Child Tax Credits. I sure am but the expansion that is lets talk about this before you start taking about is it going to be permanent. Lets see how were doing. Lets make sure were getting it to the right people. If its Child Tax Credit, you want to help the children and the parents that are basically providing for those children. Theres no Work Requirements whatsoever. Theres no education requirements whatsoever or better skill sets. Dont you think if we want to help the children, the people should make some effort . Joining us now is Gene Sperling, white House Coordinator for the american rescue plan. Whats your response to what we just heard senator Joe Manchin say . Well, listen, i think that in the long run, its going to be a tough negotiation as lawrence, you and i have been through together 93 other times. But i think well get there, and i think the reason why is there will there is a shared value here. If you look at this build back better plan overall, it is so much about, you know, reinstating or tax fairness, making sure the economy is working for Working Families and that its giving the type of support that allows Working Families to work and raise their children with dignity. Now, in terms of the issues that Senator Manchin is raising, who we have great respect for, we think when you look at it, we will all agree that it is getting to the children that we want it to. First of all, 97 of the children who receive the Child Tax Credit, 97 are in Working Families. Thats Number One. Number two, many of those 3 who arent are facing a disability, an excessive Health Care Challenge Or Disability challenge or excessive care for older parents or children. So we think it is getting to the children, and were already seeing that. You know, Middle Class families are overwhelmingly using this for backtoschool clothes, for helping with dental costs, for paying down credit card debt. But for lower income families, its a big boost. It is projected over time to have a major impact and could have a permanent impact on reducing Child Poverty, reducing child hunger. So i think that, you know, theres going to be negotiations. There always are. But i think in The End, people are going to see that this Child Tax Credit is a unique and powerful proposal, very much like Social Security in that as Rosa Delauro says t is a lifeline for Middle Class families but can be a lifeline for children out of poverty. When you get all of that in one policy, that is a powerful policy. If republicans oppose that, then theyre going to be supporting raising taxes on all of those working Middle Class families and making it that much harder for them to meet the cost of raising their families and their children. So is it the Administrations Position that you want to extend it to 2025, or is it to make it permanent . Our Budget Proposal in this reconciliation is to extend it for years and years, till 2025. But our ultimate goal, President Bidens ultimate goal, is that people will see that this does work, that it is a major boon for reducing Child Poverty. Our ultimate goal is unquestionably this will eventually be a permanent part of our economic policy, and in doing so, it will be, as President Biden says, making sure that were offering Tax Relief thats helping hardworking Middle Class families meet the costs of raising their children and at the same time reflecting a value deep for many of us and certainly President Biden, that every child deserves the basics in life. They deserve a chance to move up, and weve seen that this you know, people estimate the Child Tax Credit alone could have a permanent decrease in Child Poverty by 35 , 40 , just that one policy alone. So i think this is a policy we want to get extended for several years now and that ultimately made a permanent part of our economic policy, and i think it will be an enormously positive legacy for all of the advocates, all of the senators, and President Biden himself in what they did during their time in 2021 to make life better for hardWorking Families in our country. And how is it paid for in this Reconciliation Bill . Well, this is an important point. A lot of people are like, oh, my god, this thing costs a lot. Will there be costs for inflation . You know, lawrence, its a funny discussion. I think normally when weve seen a budget plan, you look at what are the net costs . How much does it cost overall . This is a plan, whether its the Child Tax Credit or the overall build back better plan, which has savings. So what it is, is not thats its going to Add Costs or Add Costs to the deficit. Its about what budgets and tax proposals always are, priorities, values, who youre fighting for. This proposal, yes, does ask our wealthiest americans and corporations, many of them who pay zero taxes on huge profits, to pay their fair share. In doing so, the extra cost of having this Child Tax Credit, which is 3,600, as you said, for a child under 6, 3,000 for children up to 17, for virtually every middle Class Family and working Family And Lowincome family in our country, can be added without adding a penny to deficits or debt because its part of an overall proposal to make our Tax System more fair. This will be one of the largest and most significant Tax Cuts for Working Families and children in the history of our country. Gene sperling, now working in his third democratic White House. Future democratic President S are going to want him in their White Houses. Gene sperling, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Thank you, lawrence. Thanks for having me. And coming up, pennsylvania republicans have issued a subpoena for the kind of personal information about you that hackers would love to steal from your computer so they can then steal your identity. Republicans are trying to get that data on 7 Million people in pennsylvania who voted in the last election. And if you live in pennsylvania, your privacy has never been more threatened than right now. And if you dont live in pennsylvania, dont be surprised if republicans try it in your state. Thats next. Hey you catch mio. Thank you water tastes like, well. Water. So we fixed it. Mio. Mom mom every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, Delicious Fage total yogurt. Tech every customer has their own safelite story. 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The Philadelphia Inquirer is refusing to call it an audit of the last president ial election because, as the newspaper so politely puts it, theres no indication it would follow the Best Practices or the common understanding of an audit among nonpartisan experts. Republicans in pennsylvania are trying to launch the largest attack on privacy in the history of american state legislatures. Republican State Senators voted to approve subpoenas to obtain voter records which include, quote, the names, dates of birth, Drivers License numbers, last four digits of Social Security numbers, addresses and methods of voting for millions of people who Cast Ballots in the may primary and november general election. If you voted in pennsylvania, all 7 Million of you, republicans want every piece of information about you that would allow someone to steal your identity. Republicans cannot guarantee you that that information will be handled carefully. In fact, they dont even know whos going to handle it. There is no chance of that Information Being handled carefully because the people who want that information dont even know what kinds of precautions are necessary to protect data like that. Pennsylvanias democratic Attorney General is vowing to protect that data by challenging the subpoenas in court. Pennsylvania actually conducted two real audits of the president ial election before certifying that Joe Biden won that state by more than 80,000 votes. Joining us now is democratic Congressman Conor Lamb of pennsylvania. He is now a candidate for the united states senate, running for the seat now occupied by republican senator pat toomey. Thank you very much for joining us tonight, congressman lamb. I want to get your reaction to what the pennsylvania republicans are requesting in these subpoenas. I think you used the key word in your opening, lawrence. Its nice what the newspaper did, but this isnt just not an audit. This is an attack on our system and our democracy itself. In this particular instance, yeah, i think people are really going to feel it once they realize that these republicans in harrisburg want all their personal information, and its just one of many ways in which they hope to scare people out of voting. And if they cant scare them out, Theyll Try to keep them out by getting rid of Drop Boxes and convenient voting hours and vote by mail. And if they cant do that, theyll get out the County Election Worker or the state Election Worker who is actually counting the ballots in some of these states. If they cant do that, theyll physically attack the capitol like so many of their followers did on january 6th. This particular commission in our state started with someone who was at the capitol on january 6th, so these things are all intimately connected. Theres no mystery of whats going on here. These people are desperate to maintain their power by any means possible. And its hard to understand why theyre doing it because of, you know, obviously 7 Million people that voted are not going to like having their personal information spilled. But people need to your viewers need to understand this is a financial scam. They do this so that they can send out emails to raise money off of it. Thats what they did in arizona, and it was very profitable for them. Theyve been doing it in this case already, and it will continue. So thats what were up against. Those are the stakes. Well, theyre doing it to republican voters. I mean that point you just made, that theyre trying to make people afraid to vote, well, if youre afraid of getting your identity stolen because all of your data has been handed over to some private individual, private socalled company that doesnt know what theyre doing with it or might even have malicious intent, that will scare republican voters from voting as well as democratic voters. The way to escape this as a Pennsylvania Citizen is simply not to vote. Thats the message theyre giving across the board. Right. I didnt say that these particular republicans were smart. Right. But they are very determined, and they have a shortterm focus on two things to stay in power. Raising money and getting Donald Trumps approval. Thats what you need to be in the game on their side. We see it time and again. I know you guys covered tonight my colleague from ohio, who said he wasnt going to run again because his vote for impeachment against trump, which was the right thing to do, makes it impossible to be on their side. Youve seen it with liz cheney. They know what they need to do. If its up to them, theyll shrink the electorate down as far as they possibly can so they can get their narrow slice of it out, and its an increasingly narrow slice. I think what folks on our side have to realize is this is not a joke. This is not theyre not so stupid that we can make fun of them and think theyre going to lead to their own demise. These people are willing to do anything to try to take power in our state, which is one of the key states in the country. So we have to make our defense impregnable. This is an attack. Our defense to it, yes, it will come in the form of laws and Voting Rights Protections and all those things. But ultimately its written inside of us. If you know somebody whos running for School Board this Year Or Town Council Or County commissioner in the counties where theyre going to be counting these votes, you got to get out there and help them for our statewide judicial candidates who are going to be the ones deciding these cases. You have to donate to and support people who believe in democratic selfgovernment. Its that simple. The knock on us is democrats is sometimes we only show up every four years, and that isnt cutting it anymore. There is way too much on the line for this now, and this is just the latest episode to convince us of that. Congressman conor lamb, candidate for senate in pennsylvania, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thanks, lawrence. Thank you. Coming up, California Governor Gavin newsom won a huge victory, and i mean huge victory this week, for fighting to protect the health of the people of california while many republican governors are risking the lives of the people of their states by refusing to protect the citizens of their states from covid19. Former republican president Ial Campaign Strategist Stuart stevens and Msnbcs Zerlina Maxwell will join us next. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. This is how you become the best [music youre the best by joe esposito] [music youre the best by joe esposito] [triumphantly yells] [ding] dont get mad. Get E Trade and take charge of your finances today. I brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. 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Lean in because at The End of the day, its not just about the formal authority of setting the Tone And Tenor on vaccines and masks, but its the moral authority that we have, that were on the right side of history and were doing the right thing to save peoples lives. Joining us now, stuart stevens, a veteran of five republican president Ial Campaigns and the author of it was all a lie how the republican party became Donald Trump, way was just released in paperback. Also joining us, zerlina maxwell, host of the Program Zerlina that airs on peacock. Stuart, let me begin with you as a son of mississippi. When you look at whats happening in your state tonight, how did Republicanism And Trumpism bring mississippi to this new low . Its really extraordinary. I mean mississippi gets 40 of its budget from the federal government. Its the hardworking people in states like california and New York that keep mississippi from being a complete disaster. And yet when you have a governor like tate governor like Tate Reeves i know tate, hes not a dumb guy, hes not an evil guy. But whats happening there is pretty much the definition of evil. Theyre using this tragedy for political purposes. And tate actually has appointed a very good person to head up the Health Effort here, a yaleeducated, mississippiborn physician, but tate wont Stand Up and do what needs to be done to protect the citizens of mississippi. Its just an absolute tragedy. Zerlina, its an extraordinary thing. One republican party is doing nothing to protect not just the people of their states but their actual republican voters. And you have the democratic party and democratic governors like Gavin Newsom who are fighting to keep everyone alive in their states. Its hard to believe that the parties would be divided by their concern with keeping people alive. One party concerned about that, the other not. Well, lawrence, you had Mary Trump on earlier, and a quote that not a day goes by that i dont think about is one from her first book, which is if he can in any Way Profit from your death, he will facilitate it and then he will ignore the fact that you died. And that is Mary Trump on her uncle, former president Donald Trump. And i feel like the entire republican party has been corrupted by this very idea that there is political benefit maybe in the short term as they see it in fundraising dollars but certainly not in the short term for the lives and livelihoods that are lost during this pandemic. I mean, people are losing their mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers, and that, i think, ultimately is something that each republican is going to have to, for the rest of their life, as long as they are on this earth, theyre going to have to go to bed every Night Understanding that they facilitated the deaths of their own constituents. Lets listen to what William Marsh of new hampshire, state representative, said on this program last night about why he has just switched from the republican party to the democratic party. The Grassroots Organization on the ground in all the cities and towns throughout the state, theyve really been taken over by these extremists who believe their rights, trumps, and anyone elses rights, they have the right to do anything they want to no matter how it affects the people around them. Stuart, how important is it that theyre overtaking the grassroots and republican party positions in the states . Theres actually some successful republican governors out there, very successful, very popular. Phil scott in vermont, Charlie Baker in massachusetts, Larry Hogan in maryland. I work for all these guys. I love them. But heres the thing. Theyre so out of touch with their own party, they cant pick their state party chairman. You know from your years in politics how extraordinary this is, that a sitting popular Governor Cant pick the chairman in their own division . I dont see where it ends. The economy is a race to the Bottom And Covid is the ultimate test that if youre willing to let people get sick and die for political gain, youll do anything. And thats where they are. Zerlina, kevin wilson, the conservative writer in his Oped Piece talking about where the Dividing Line is in our politics saying, when it comes to a coup, youre either in or youre out. The republican party is leaning pretty strongly toward in. That will leave some conservatives out, and in all like likelihood, permanently out. Thats another Dividing Line between these parties, one that is in favor of, in effect, a coup, in effect denying democracy, and the other party still traditionally in this very oldfashioned way actually in favor of democracy. You mean like the constitution saying we can all be that way . Yes. Lawrence, ive been thinking a lot about this idea of a coup, and before new reporting released this week about general milley, i was thinking a lot about it being a coup in essentially three parts, right . The courts and Rudy Giuliani and the gang going to courts and lying about election fraud. The second piece, of course, is the doj, all the Phone Calls nd pressure Donald Trump was putting on officials to say it was stolen, and the third piece is the insurrection. But now im thinking there is actually a continuing piece to the point in that, williamsons oped in that theyre trying to subvert democracy by interpreting laws, and that will ruin democracy. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Well be right back. Tonight well be right back. vo when it comes to safety, who has more 2021 iihs top Safety Pick plus winning vehicles, the highest level of safety you can earn . Subaru. 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