Finale of melrose play. Title undetermined, by the way. Chairman of the board. Do something with that, you freak. I bet the board is spelled bored. It took me about 15 minutes to recover from that. Of course former Saturday Night live Star Norm Mac donald who tragedy passed away after a long battle with cancer. Well have more about his legacy coming up. Norm macdonald was one of the funniest guys out there. He just held a special place in so many of his fans hearts. Such sad news. Truly, i mean, i gasped when i saw this yesterday. I guess he had been sick with cancer for almost a decade, and hadnt told anybody, kept it private or had told very few people anyway. Nobody makes me laugh harder. I know thats for sure, and you could see it on conans face as the clips were going on. These are the funniest people In America, conan, letterman, john stewart, and nobody did the Slow Burn joke on a Talk Show, better than Norm Macdonald, he would wind it up for two or three minutes, you didnt know quite where it was going. Because it was him, you know it was going land somewhere bizarre. Whether he was doing Weekend Update or Burt Reynolds, there was No One funnier, and that was reflected in just about every comedian coming out and saying just about the same, Norm Macdonald, he was the one who make them laugh the hardest, and i put myself in that camp as well. He leaves a hole, so much joy to so many people, and most of his jokes, as you know, we cant deliver this morning on tvp because from the mouths of anyone else you would be run out of show business. Norm macdonald made people laugh when he stepped on a stage. Were of course showing pictures of his Burt Reynolds which on jeopardy remains just a classic, and our kids will be laughing at that 30, 40 minutes from now. Well have more on his legacy coming up. Californias democratic Governor Gavin Newsom survived an attempt to remove him from office, prevailing in the states recalling election. Nbc news projects. The election asked voters whether newsom should be removed, yes or no, and gave voters who wanted him ousted the choice of 46 alternatives, led by conservative Talk Host Larry elder. With the help of Party Leaders, including President Biden, in the races closing days, newsom gave warnings that a republican replacement would roll back covid protections and pose a danger for the states progressive identity. Newsom thanked California Voters for keeping him in office. We said yes to science, we said yes to vaccines. We said yes to ending this pandemic. We said yes to peoples right to vote without fear of fake Fraud Or Voter suppression. We said yes to womens fundamental constitutional right to decide for herself what she does with her Body And Fate and future. We said yes to diversity. We said yes to inclusion. We said yes to pluralism, we said yes to all of those things we hold dear as californians, and i would argue as americans. I am humbled and grateful to the millions and millions of californians that exercise their fundamental right to vote and express themselves so overwhelmingly by rejecting the division, by rerecollecting the cynicism, so much of the negativity thats defined our politics in this country over the course of so many years. Lets bring in national political correspondent for Nbc News. I look at the numbers and they are awfully close overall to the 2020 president ial numbers. 64, 36 for no. Look at the map, purple no, orange yes, fix your eyes on it. Let me flip you over and show you what this looked like Last November. That County Break down is the same. Look at that. It was 64 34 biden when you round up In California Last November. So, you know, basically the democrats, their goal in this thing, you heard it through their messaging, let me see if i can get this up here. You heard it through the democrats messaging, tried to nationalize this, attach this to attitudes of trump, they had biden in there the night before. You can go county by county and it becomes dramatic. Take a look down here, for instance, Orange County, south of los angeles, this is one of the biggest counties in the country. You see the recall. Not everything is counted but close to 80 . What did Biden Run at in 2020 . 53 1 2 no. Go to the Inland Empire next door, Biden Ran at 53 in riverside county. No is running at 52 1 2 . San bernardino county, Biden Ran it 54, no is a tick below at 52 right now. It didnt deviate much, if you wanted to zoom in and find where anything was different in the central valley, the san joaquin valley, its probably where the recall did best. Then you look in the Bay Area, Garn Newsom used to be the mayor of San Francisco. The recall might be doing worse in some of those counties than Donald Trump did in 2020. Were talking about differences of a couple of points. This matches on perfectly from what you saw Last November when Jooid Won The State by 29 points Joe Biden won by 29 points. Hillary clinton the first democrat to win by 2 points, biden by 9, now its rejecting the recall at this point by 6 points. Whats been changing and shifting in Orange County stayed changing and stayed shifting in this Recall Election. What about those Congressional Districts that democrats barely won in 2018 that helped Nancy Pelosi become speaker. Theres still those Swing Districts out there in 2020 and now again in 2022. Is it too early to tell if there was much of a difference in those areas that may determine whos going to be the next speaker of the house . Orange county, theres a couple in Orange County. Ill call it up again. I dont mean to fixate too much on this one county. But 2018 the democrats got a sweep in the Orange County Congressional Districts. In 2020, when republicans did better in the national House Races, they picked back a couple in Orange County. All eyes are on it for clues for 2022. Lets see exactly where the number lays in Orange County, which is basically going to be counted in Orange County, Mail Ballots that were dropped off on Election Day, thats sort of whats left there. Lets see how it moves it all as that final 20 comes in. But again, it really looks very similar to 2020 and anything similar to 2020 in Orange County i think republicans could survive in those seats that they picked off in 2020. But democrats could definitely get them back. We are not seeing a Big Snap back to pretrump Orange County republican numbers here. It looks like what happened under trump to change Orange County more politically, it has been locked in here. Steve, 30 point win, it may end up being a little less than a 30 Point Victory for Gavin Newsom, if you go back to just the summer, people around Gavin Newsom were concerned. Theres a reason that elizabeth harris, and Bernie Sanders, and was it the emergence of Larry Elder whose views were so extreme, what did these votes hinge on . Were talking about how similar to this basic break down, the red blue map in the president ial race. The map you would expect in just about any California Election these days. I think three things to say, number one, the polling that was out there over the summer when there started to be rumblings of hey, is something happening here, it caught my interest, caught everybodys interest. We didnt have a ton of it, and was there always a reason from the beginning to look at the polling and take it with a bit of a grain of salt. Thats one thing. The other two things in terms of what changed and helped democrats down the stretch. California, the way they do things, ballots automatically mailed to every voter. For democrats looking at this and saying its a Biden Plus 30 state, every voter tunes in when they get a ballot laid to them, it lands the Election Right in their face, in their mailbox. In a state like california, that might help democrats, and the other thing along the lines, everyone, media, people, everyone just started paying attention to the race as it got closer, as the Media Coverage really picked up, certainly democrats kicked up their efforts. As it got more attention and came into the spotlight, i think people just kind of in general migrated to the political camps they have been migrating to in California And Kind of nationally the last few years because again, so striking here how similar this is to Last Novembers county. Its not like were looking at it, it did 10 points, really it just maps to the point in november. Thats why biden is there the night before the election, and they talk so much about trump, looked at the map, the Biden Plus 30. They said, hey if we can replicate that or come close, were going to do fine. They came close to replicating it. Steve, thanks, to willies point, joe, what steve is showing us now, this didnt seem as resounding at one point. And it what would you call it, a message for democrats, a Wake Up Call . I mean, there were a few unforced errors or just realities that played against him whether it be the dinner at the fancy restaurant or talk about his kids get to go to private schools while everyone else is in the pandemic, what does this give democrats a Wake Up Call too if anything . Sfl a couple of weeks ago if this were close, if Terry Mccullough lost virginia, democrats should run to high ground. Im going to get back to steve and ask him about Exit Polls, the fact that a recall is a negative proposition to begin with. Most politicians are going to fare worse than they would in here we have an off, off Year Election in september when kids are going back to school. This is a race that is set up for a surprise like we saw in 2009, when the race for ted Kennedys Replacement shocked the world and went republican. If im a democrat and looking at this map, and its basically an overlay of the 2020 election, a president ial Year Election where democrats usually do better, where the turnout expands where youre running against Donald Trump, im liking, if im a democrat, im liking very much what im seeing this morning. I think just because i would be so paranoid. In politics you run scared, run ten points behind. Like steve, i would wait to see how the numbers were in Orange County, and look at the Swing Districts the democrats could pick up in 2022 and overlay those numbers. For me, im sure republicans may look at this differently. For me, this is a really big win for democrats in terms of a Report Card nine months in. A lot of bad things happening on the national level. Crow look at right now with afghanistan, you look at Joe Bidens numbers down, again, the fact that when people went to polls and this sort of race, and the fact that democrats held their own, i would mark that down as a really big win were i a democrat trying to plan ahead for 2022. And i also want to look at some of the things that drove the election newsoms way, and lets see on that point, lets talk about the Exit Poll and covid. My theory of the case has been run over the 33 politically, run over the 30 politically like republicans did in texas on the abortion law, running over the 70 , actually. If youre Gavin Newsom, and you want to win then go where most people go on covid, on whether its the vaccination or masks, do what is right and dont listen to the 30 that are getting their news from facebook. When it came to the covid rolls, newsom was leaning into that. His at least perceived hypocrisy with the dinner at the fancy restaurant that might have kicked this off in the beginning here. When you looked at the Exit Poll, the question that jumped out to me most, they asked about the covid restrictions in place under newsom, and what do you think of it, 45 said they were about right, and another 17 said they werent strict enough, so about right or not strict enough added up to a clear majority. One thing that was interesting in terms of where were there any differences in terms of the outcomes and this might have been related to the covid questions, you see where groups that have very strong support for aggressive covid measures, white voters with a College Degree. The county In California that has the highest share of white voters with a College Degree by far and away, its across the golden gate, straight there, marrin county, north of San Francisco, staunchly democratic, staunchly liberal area. This did jump out at me 50 of the electorate, white voters, the recall failed 84 here. There are a few votes to be counted here. It failed with 84 . The recall did worse here than Donald Trump did. Jooids number Joe Bidens number was 82. Less than the biden number last year, close but less. In a state like marin county, the most dramatic example we were showing you, Orange County, south of los angeles, a lot of places with a high concentration, you know, voters with a College Degree, particularly white voters with a College Degree, you were seeing that kind of thing. Steve kornacki thank you so much for being on this morning and watching this race. Lets bring in white House Reporter for the associated press, Jonathan Lemire, and Cofounder And Ceo of axios, jim vandehei, great to have you both with us. Jonathan la, i want to start with you. Did Kamala Harris spend a lot of time In California. Certainly the Vice President did visit her home state, and to support the governor there. Once political rivals, interestingly enough but now certainly lodged on the same team, and we know that of course the president himself was out there Monday Night, the eve of the Recall Election. There had certainly been some concern, the White House, you know, a couple of months ago when the race got national attention as steve talked about, the polls dropped that showed a far closer race than people would have anticipated in such a Deep Blue state. That worry eased in recent days. The polling was trending newsoms day. I woke up to messages this morning, they think the fact that the covid messaging was so strong for newsom, people were supporting how he has handled the pandemic there, including pushing vaccines, so the mandates, you know, focusing on the Health And Safety, that that bodes well, potentially for the president. And other democrats who have voiced similar support for measures nationally, and other districts. They are certainly looking at the Swing Counties like Orange County and saying look, this bodes well for our democratic message next year, and seems a little bit of a shot in the arm for the president right now, pardon the Vaccine Pun there, who has had a tough few weeks at the beginning of the afghan rollout, he has received higher marks since the first few days. There are hopeful signs theyre trending in the right direction, and the economy has shown up and down signs about the recovery. Aids that i have talked to this morning, White House largely encouraged about yesterday, and what it could mean going forward for their party. So jim vandehei, the thrust of the argument, im going to get rid of mandates, vaccine Mandates None of the stuff that Governor Newsom is talking about and Joe Biden is talking about, and with that message he will lose by 30 points. What does that tell you more broadly if anything, is this just a California Story or other lessons to come at here . I tend not to read anything nationally out of california. Crow make it easy to vote in a place thats democratic and pull out the big guns, you should be able to do what they did in the recall. Obviously they were nervous early on, and obviously In California things like the vaccine and the Mask Mandate are going to be more the nature of the population there, and i would be careful in extrapolating too much from it. That said, i do think its again, republicans are going to face this in every House Race and senate race, which is if you go too Trump Yan in a lot of places it doesnt work, but you cant not go Trump Yan, and i think that is the vice in so many of these places that republicans are squeezed in because that seems to be where the momentum is, and you have exceptions to that rule but for the most part it holds, you look at how Kevin Mccarthy runs the house, and the frailty he shows to Donald Trump. That trickles down, and shows how key things they should be heavy if they want to win. The real action is lets see how these districts are redrawn. The map does look good for republicans. What type of candidate do they recruit and what is that environment. Where the biden administration is right, if they can get the coronavirus to start to fade and jobs continue to rise, democrats will be in as good as position in an off Year Election. Those are the things people care about the most. We have seen that consistently in polls, and i think thats why its one of the things that both the biden Administration And Newsom hit so hard so consistently at The End of that election. Lets talk about another race thats going to be important. Democrats looked in trouble In California. Terry mccullough sends out an email every 15 minutes saying hes going to get defeated, please send 15. Im not sure if its that grim for him, but that Virginia Race closer than i ever expected it to be. Whats it looking like there, and why is that race still so tight . Id say like a more interesting and more telling race. Virginia is interesting because it was so republican, and then it became purple and quickly a democratic state, a state that if you just look at the demographics now, do favor democrats in a way we never would have talked about six years ago. In these off Year Elections, obviously when the party thats out of power can have some troubles, you want to see what happens in places that have at least big pockets of rural voters, trump voters, and theres No Doubt that this is a tough race. Probably not as bad as hes saying. You run scared and want to raise as much money as possible. You want to understand the possibility of defeat is out there, but it is tight, and i think in this specific case, if terry were to lose that race, that would be something that should scare democrats, just because the nature of virginia is more like a lot of the districts in a lot of the states that youre going to see competitive. What was interesting about the overlay you were doing in the Opening Segment about the parallels between the president ial results and what happened In California, if you look at the senate races in play, many overlap with the Swing States we saw in the president ial race. There will be a national flavor to it, and well see if the overlay continues to hold. I think the senate remains the best chance for democrats to hold, and you think the house remains, like, really in jeopardy, and i think Nancy Pelosi feels it, democrats feel it, and theyll watch these gubernatorial races or recalls for telltale signs early on. Again, i think at The End of the day, it is going to be can President Biden, can democrats say, listen, we have all party control, look at where were at on the virus, look where were at on jobs and the economy those two indicators are decent, democrats might outperform what you think they would in an off Year Election, and that has been the one thing Joe Biden has been consistent on in how he operates as a candidate and president. Theyre looking at the same Polling Data we are. They know what his Success Measure will be. It will be those two things. Jim vandehei, thank you very much, thanks for being on way too early as well. Good to have you. Now, to some important new reporting on the world of tech. Facebooks Instagram App is harmful to a number of teenagers and facebook knows it. Thats the bottom line. For the past three years, the social Media Giant has been conducting studies into how its Photo Sharing app affects its millions of young users and according to a report in the Wall Street Journal, the companys researchers found that instagram is harmful for a sizable percentage of them. Most notably Teenage Girls. 32 of teens, when they felt bad about their bodies, instagram made them feel worse. The researchers said in a Slide Presentation, rooud by the Wall Street Journal, comparisons on instagram can change how Young Women view and describe themselves. We make Body Image worse for one in three teen girls said a slide from 2019, summarizing research about teen girls who experience the issues. Teens blame instagram for increases in the rate of Anxiety And Depression, said another slide. This reaction was unprompted and consistent across all groups. Among teens who reported suicidal thoughts, 13 of british users, and 6 of american users traced the desire to kill themselves to instagram. One presentation showed. This is, by the way, these are Internal Facebook documents. They have looked at studies and come to this conclusion. Not an outside group. This is facebook admitting this internally, knowing that their product leads. In 2019. Leads to anxiety, depression and suicide. Expanding its base of young users is vital to the companys more than 100 Billion in annual revenue and it doesnt want to jeopardize their engagement with the platform. The journal reports the documents also show that facebook has made minimal efforts to address these issues and plays them down in public. More than 40 of instagrams users are 22 years old and younger, and about 22 until Teens Log on to instagram in the u. S. Each day. Instagrams head of Public Policy responded to the report in a Blog Post Writing in part that the company is researching ways to pull users away from dwelling on certain types of instagram posts. Can i tell you, if any other company put a product out there and tested it on the narcotic market and saw it hurt people. What are we, a bunch of Guinea Pigs, why is facebook allowed to actually put their platform out there and then what i think it in realtime as they realize how damages it is to the american public and perhaps create Suicidal Ideation among american teenagers, this is crazy. Theres no perhaps to it, mika. Facebook admits in internal documents that girls report 13 that had suicidal thoughts, ideations, that facebook pushed them there, and a percentage of American Girls, the same way. Four, five, six years ago, mika and i went to give a speech at a new Jersey University and who was with us while we were speaking was talking to the dean of students, and you know, when we go there, just like i know when you go to other places, how are things going, whats your biggest concerns, hows the School Doing, this was six, seven years ago, the dean of students said my biggest problem is instagram. He said, Young Women at this School Levels of anxiety, levels of depression, Suicidal Ideations, they all skyrocket, we talk to them, we counsel them, and all of these problems around here, it seems, goes back to instagram. Thats like five, six, seven years ago, and since that time, i have seen one story after another story after another story talking about how instagram leads to anxiety, depression, Suicidal Ideation among our Teenage Girls, and i started saying to mika five years ago, facebook reminds me of Big Tobacco, they know their product is damaging people. They know its causing people to kill themselves. They know its causing depression and anxiety, and theyre really not doing anything about it, and i guess the question is just like the question on why they can let people be slandered and publish lies that kill people, i guess why is there one rule for facebook and one rule for the rest of us. This Wall Street Journal story landed like a bomb in our house yesterday. I have a 14yearold Daughter, and were in this conversation right now about whether instagram is a good idea or not, and its right here in the research. This is from march of 2020. Just over a year ago, Internal Facebook research, the tendency to share only the best moments, a pressure to look perfect and an addictive product can send teens spiraling toward Eating Disorders, and unhealthy sense of their own body and depression. Thats not the three of us saying that. Thats Internal Facebook conversations. Wall Street Journal reports all of this data has been presented to mark zuckerberg, he was on Capitol Hill talking about this. If youre on instagram, if youre a young girl, the vacation locals are impossible, and youre looking at a group of friends youre not with, thinking about the things you dont have. Youre trying to live up to an ideal, showing a filter or rented cars or a house thats not even there. You can see if youre a teenage girl how unhealthy that is, and its maddening to know that facebook for the last three years has been all too aware of the effect that theyre product has, but it makes them 100 Billion a year. Instagram makes A Hundred Billion Dollars a year for facebook, and their audience is very young. 40 , 22 or younger. That is where their bread is buttered. It will be up to someone on the outside to do something about it. Facebook knows, and doesnt seem to want to do anything. Theyre not moving fast enough. They keep saying theyre going to do better but even more concerning is that for a parent like you, Willie Or Anybody considering instagram for their child, why dont you ask the Vice President s and the reds of Tech Companies in silicon valley, the people who run instagram, if they let their kids on instagram. Youll be surprised at the answer. The answer is no. I guarantee the answer is no for so many of these people at Tech Companies who dont allow screens inside their houses for their children. I guarantee people that work at instagram, their kids are probably no more on instagram or if so, its so heavily monitored, it would be like asking a Tobacco Company in the 1960s if they let their 14yearold Smoke cigarettes. This is in many ways, its just as bad or worse because its hard to pick up that anxiety. Its hard to trace the depression. Its hard to trace the Suicidal Ideations but more and more, more studies are showing its obviously that its traced back to instagram, im not simplifying things for you all parents, im really not. Just do a search on this and what you will find is what facebook has found, this incredible Wall Street Journal story is telling us all that facebook knows, that instagram is destroying the lives of Young Women. They also know at the same time they want to expand their market among Young Women because that makes them a lot of money. Something has to be done. And for the life of me, i dont know why facebook can live by a different set of rules than every other company In America. Somebody in washington d. C. Has to listen. Somebody has got to stop this monopoly from not only spreading lies about covid, not only making a pandemic worse. Our election. Not only spreading antidemocratic Conspiracy Theories that lead to january the 6th, that help organize the first attack on Capitol Hill since the war of 1812 but also are killing our Teenage Girls, will Nobody Listen in washington, d. C. , are they really that powerful . How much money do they give you every Election Cycle . Why are you so scared of facebook . I dont get this. I really dont. Youve got a company that helped organize going to icu unit or even emergency rooms, and youve got them within internal documents. Their documents, showing they know their product and it is a product just like cigarettes are a product that their product is killing Teenage Girls. Their product is destroying the lives of Teenage Girls. Their product is causing anxiety to rise in Teenage Girls. Their product is causing depression to rise in Teenage Girls. And on Capitol Hill you do nothing. You do nothing in the house. You do nothing in the senate. You mumble around on campaign trails. You try blame the other side. No, this is you. This is you. You have a voting card. You have a voice, you represent this country in congress. Stop telling us what you cant do, and start holding this malignant force In America in check. All right. Still ahead on Morning Joe well said what the ceo of pfizer is saying for releasing a Time Line on the vaccine for young children. And the u. S. Federal from afghanistan on a second day of Capitol Hill hearings. One of the lawmakers who asked questions, senator Chris Murphy will be our guest. And some of broadways biggest musicals, reopened Last Night. Morning joe Got A Backstage look at some of the shows that have returned to the stage finally. And the Joe Podcast is out on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Camp joes indepth discussions on sports, music, and so much more. His next guest, the great David Burn of talking heads. Well be right back. T David Burn of talking heads. Well be right back. My nunormal . 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Its outrageous, its not just girls. Facebook actually has recommended Qanon Clips, based on peoples profile. Theres an Internet Bill of rights, you have to have opt in consent, you cant manipulate people on data. You Cant Target people. You have to do basic regulations when it comes to kids. Its stuck in the committees. Youre right to hold us responsible, and youre right to point out the flaws. Im going to send it to my colleagues and people in The Valley. Congressman, its willie geist, what can congress reasonably do here, reading through the Wall Street Journal article, were reminded that Senators Blumenthal and blackburn sent a letter in august to facebook saying you need to do something about this, you need to tell us what you know about the damage to teenagers. He suspected facebook was hiding something, and now we know its this internal research. What if anything can congress do about this for a private company . I dont think we need more information. I think we know what theyre doing is wrong. I think we need regulation. We can start out with basic things. They should basically have to get any Persons Consent before collecting data. They target young people and adults based on profile. If someone, for example, is anorexic, they could be targeted with negative information about Body Image, and all of that needs to stop. It will stop if we first start requiring active consent before you can collect data. They need to be held to the same safety and public Health And Consumer safety standards as other companies selling products and the same standards for minors. The other thing is theres the Child Protection Act which applies to kids under 13 but a lot of folks lie about it. There are many people on instagram under 13 who are using these products. They need to have liability if theyre people under 13 using these products. There are a host of things but i think the point is exactly right. Its not that congress doesnt know what to do. Congress hasnt acted. The privacy regulation, i have been in congress five years, and proposed it four years ago. Its time to act, those folks were responsible for a lot of misinformation, and its not the first amendment. The first amendment doesnt protect the right to cause bodily harm or the right to incite violence. In this case, and my god, we could talk about all the lies that facebook has spread. We could talk about how they push people to right Wing Groups that led to the assassination of a federal officer by a member of a right Wing Group in oakland during the black Lives Matter protests last year. We could talk about plandemic how they spread around lies leading to false information on covid. But just in this case, what other company In America could have internal documents revealed that show that they are causing substantial damage to Teenage Girls, Mental Health Crises for Teenage Girls, Suicidal Ideations for Teenage Girls, Anxiety And Depression in Teenage Girls, and that theyre doubling down to make even more money off of Teenage Girls, what other company would in the be treated just like Big Tobacco was with a ban on marketing to Teenage Girls, and letting Teenage Girls use a product that causes them harm . Absolutely. They need to ban the current product. There are other ways of Social Media for Teenage Girls thats fine, but having likes and shares that are basically incentivizing bullying, that are creating problems for Teenage Girls and teenage boys in terms of social peer pressure. Its basically the worst experiences you had in Junior High growing up on steroids, and thats what some of these platforms are, and the irony is their Mission Statement says were going to build community, world peace, were going to connect people, but there has to be accountability, and i agree with you, joe that congress can act. We can regulate this. Its not like were power less and we should, and i certainly support that regulation, and ill tell you representing silicon valley, there are a lot of people that would support the regulation, tech executives, they dont want their folks on phones. We regulate how much time they have on phones. We need Common Sense reform. Congressman, good morning, its Jonathan Lemire. I wanted to shift gears slightly. We heard about the census data. More people being lifted out of poverty in part because of federal measures, the stimulus checks that some americans got during the pandemic, which leads me to this. Where do things stand in terms of negotiations for what comes next . Obviously theres been a great debate within the democratic party about the size of this reconciliation package. Could be up to 3. 5 trillion. Some think less than that. Thats the heart of the biden agenda, the heart of what youre trying to do. Where do things stand, whats need snd. Need to do. The plan means that seniors are going to get dental, vision, hearing aids. The plan means that people are going to get child care. You look at what has caused the labor shortage. 2 Million women are out of Work And Everyone knows a story of someone whos Juggling Taking Care of their kids while having to be at work. The plan would provide child care. The plan would provide vocational Education And Community college, finally invest in clean energy. Were going to get to a yes. I believe that. I know senator man chin, we come from different parts of the party, im progressive, hes a centrist, i believe hes going to get to a yes, and were going to get President Bidens agenda passed. What the exact number is, thats going to be a discussion. I have No Doubt well get to a yes on both bills. You know, for so long republicans have been seen as an obstructing force for good reason when you brag youre going to do everything you can to make every Democrat President a oneterm president and not pass their legislative agenda, okay, it seems to me you set yourself up for that characterization. Here we find ourselves in a situation where democrats can pass legislation that will make this congress the most transformative on domestic policy, will make Joe Biden the most Transformtive Democratic President Since lbj, and will also with an exception, if hell just pass an exception to the filibuster for voting rights, like Mitch Mcconnell did for the Supreme Court, can also guarantee that voting Rights Arent trampled on. This is all within the democratic partys hands. Are they going to be able to stand up and deliver for their voters . Yeah, joe, i think you laid it out perfectly, and the i think the answer is yes. The congressman made it clear, this is not only a once in a Generation Opportunity to pass some really significant measures for the american people, but this is very popular, not only among democrats but among republicans as well, and you know, sometimes i listen to these comparisons between, you know, the monumental legislation that President Obama passed in 2010 and the affordable Care Act, to passing the build back better agenda. Theres really no comparison because even though of course the aca did pass, it was not popular at the time. Its certainly more popular now. The build back better agenda is extremely popular. This is something the american people want. You look at the last four years under President Trump, essentially not got passed, we made no progress. Weve got a lot of Leg Work to make up. At the same time, this is something that the american people going back to what i just said, this is what they want. They want paid leave for all, more affordable child care, they want their Prescription Drug costs lowered, better infrastructure, there are so many things in the bill that are supported by, again, a majority of the american people, and i think to what the congressman said, i think Joe Manchin will come around because the West Virginians desperately need a lot of the programs that are in this legislation. They need affordable child care, they need lower drug costs, these are things that are not just exempt from West Virginians, they are things that the american people no matter where you live want. I think ultimately congress will pass this, just like Jonathan Lemire said, we dont know what the number is going to be, 3. 5 trillion, could be a little bit less, but i do believe ultimately this legislation will pass because theres too much at stake for it not to. I want to ask you about the California Recall, good outcome for Gavin Newsom, but are there any take aways for democrats moving forward . Yeah, i mean, look, on the one hand, mika, we talked about this several times on the show. He should not have gone to french laundry, saying one thing to his constituents and doing something else. If you Go Out there and talk about getting people vaccinated, talk about getting teachers vaccinated, putting safety of students and teachers first, Health Care workers, Gavin Newsom really stressed getting people vaccinated and making sure that that was a mandate to the extent that he possibly could In California, and i think that ultimately prevailed for him because that is something that California Voters want, and they delivered this victory for him, and i think other governors across the country can take note that when the american people say, the majority of american people say we want more people vaccinated, you can take heed, and actually implement that for your state, and i think thats what you saw Gavin Newsom, he delivered on that, hes continuing to deliver on that, and i think if youre talking about the Health And Safety of your constituents first, its ultimately going to be a win for you. Congressman, it appears Governor Newsom is going to win. Most people thought he would win but 30 points is a margin, it might tighten a little bit as votes come in later. What do you take away from it as a california democrat, as someone who campaigned on behalf of the governor, and wanted to see this outcome, what do you learn inside the state of california, and are there lessons more broadly for democrats across the country . Its a big win. It shows that you cant as a republican party be an antivaccine party, an antiscience party, Immigrant Party and be a Majority Party in this country and Larry Elder was so extreme that it made the task very easy. I think one of the lessons can be in the midterms. Remember, its not just democrats running on a positive agenda. Its democrats running against a more radicalized republican party than when trump was in office, and i think people have to understand this, the republicans in the house are more radical today than when trump was actually president , and i dont think thats going to serve them well in suburban districts or across the country. Congressman Ro Khanna, and adrian elrod, thank you for being on this morning. Great to have you. Still ahead, a major revelation about President Trumps final days in office. A top Military Adviser was reportedly so fearful trump might launch an attack on china, had he made secret calls to his Counter Part in beijing. Well dig into the new reporting from veteran reporters, Bob Woodward and robert costa. Plus what the department of Homeland Security is saying about expectations for this weekends far right rally near the u. S. Capitol. Morning joe is coming right back. Capitol Morning Joe is coming right back tech every customer has their own safelite story. 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Its the top of the hour, welcome back to Morning Joe, it is wednesday, september 15th, and joining the conversation, we have Nbc News, and msnbc National Affairs analyst, Host And Executive producer of show times the Circus And Host of the Hell And Highwater Podcast And Msnbc political analyst, claire mccaskill, and msnbc contributor, Mike Barnicle is with us. Lets talk about the important stuff first, claire mccaskill, your cardinals beat the mets Last Night, something that mikas daughter, emelia is not happy about at all. But looks like the cardinals are putting themselves in a position to possibly get a wild Card Spot and get into the playoffs . Lets hope. This has been a rough year for cardinals fans. This has been really frustrating and Last Night was like a typical game where, you know, we were ahead, and then they tied it in the bottom of the 9th and we go to 11 innings, and almost gave it away again with a stupid Throwing Error by the pitcher in the bottom of the 11th. So im hoping that we can keep this trend that our pitchers can quit walking people in late innings, and that we can do for Yadi And Adam wainwright what they deserve, and that is getting to a World Series win. Weve got wainwright turning 40. Stupid Throwing Errors, horrible bull pen, a frustrating season. Claire, i asked you to talk about the cardinals, and not the Boston Red sox. Ill ask you about the cardinals next. The dodgers, though, john heilemann, youre out on the West Coast, the dodgers clinched a position in the playoffs Last Night. Super strong team out here, joe, i know a lot of things people are happy about In California, many of them very happy that they didnt recall their governor yesterday, and a lot of them even happier that again, the dodgers having an incredibly strong. As you know, the San Francisco giants, arch rivals of the giants are incredibly strong this season as well. No doubt about it, and willie and mike, first willie, then mike really quickly. Oh, my god, you look at the wild Card Chase in the american league, and now you have the yankees who dont deserve to be there, the red sox who dont deserve to be there, and Toronto Blue Jays who are going to win it all. I dont like the momentum right now, but again, both teams, willie, both teams have had some ups and downs, the yankees and the red sox but theyve got both fighters on both teams, but my gosh, just as claire said for the cardinals, what a frustrating season to be a yankees or a red sox fan. Its been a season of streaks. They had the huge win streak, and now were back in The Valley again but a trip to the baltimore for the yankees comes just at the right time. They got a win Last Night, a Threeway Tie in the Wild Card, Threeway Tie, the yankees, red sox and toronto tied, and by the way, Seattle And Oakland are only 3 and 3 1 2 games back. You really have a five time cluster, to get in play in to win the Wild Card in toronto, and One Of Us will have to win one game just to get in the playoffs, but for all the up and downs, we still got a shot. We still got a shot. Well, yeah, thats true, willie, and the red sox won in seattle, the longest Road Trip in major League Baseball Coast to coast, they returned home to a great gift being presented on the doorway, the Baltimore Orioles are at Fenway Park this weekend for three, so well see how the red sox do this week against the os, and they play the mets in boston next week, so its going to be an interesting week and a half as we close down the season, but i got to tell you, and joe, youre absolutely right, the Toronto Blue Jays are a power house, and they have finally come together. They got the mvp, vlad guerrero, jr. , and George Springer healthy in the lineup, they are a strong, strong team. They really are, top to bottom, and youve got to look at them to go pretty far. So hey, mika, we have John Highland who is out in l. A. , been covering the county, but Last Night, well get to him in a second, but Last Night, good news for Gavin Newsom. And the democrats. Californias democratic Governor Gavin Newsom survived an attempt to remove him from office, prevailing in the states Recall Election. Nbc news projects Last Night, newsom thanked California Voters for keeping him in office. Thank you all very much, and thank you to 40 Million americans, 40 Million californians and thank you for rejecting this recall. Good night, everybody. A democracy is not a football. You dont throw it around. Its more like a, i dont know, Antique Vase, you can drop it and smash it into A Million different pieces, and thats what were capable of doing if we dont stand up to meet the moment and push back. I said this many many times on the campaign trail, you know, we may have defeated trump, but trumpism is not dead in this country. We cut out some of the clips, he said its like, john, an Antique Vase that your grandparents passed down to you from the Ming Dynasty that looks wonderful when youre eating an exquisite Bay Area restaurant. Well get past that. It is ridiculous, though, this recount, just in general. It was ridiculous when they tried it on gray davis, ridiculous this time as well. And ridiculous, primarily because of the fact that Gavin Newsom has to stand for reelection next year. One of the saving graces of this recall is that California Voters seem to have realized that they have a perfectly reasonable and normal procedural standard opportunity to get rid of Gavin Newsom if they dont like them. And there are a lot of people In California who dont love Gavin Newsom, who are frustrated with the levels of crime in the state, frustrated with the economy, frustrated with homelessness. If this had ended up being a pure referendum on Gavin Newsoms leadership, it wouldnt have been the blow out it was. It was a referendum which was on his leadership on one particular thing, which is covid. And every republican in the field gave Gavin Newsom an enormous gift. They campaigned straight up and said, you know, the first thing were going to do, and this is from Larry Elder all the way down, the first thing were going to do if you recall Gavin Newsom is loosen up all of those what they say were onerous restrictions. Were going to repeal the Mask Mandates, let things fly, look more like florida and a lot of California Voters, even though frustrated with newsome on other fronts, wait a minute, Gavin Newsom has approximate, we like a pro science administration. We like the fact that the governor that has taken hard decisions to try to keep Public Health first and foremost in the middle of this pandemic. In that respect, they did, i think, they have been preserving the right to vote him out in a real election a little more than a year from now, and they sent a strong message, and we saw Joe Biden, i know you covered, we had him out here on Monday Night trying to basically stay, what stays in California Shouldnt Stay In California, actually there are national lessons here, and thats the bet that the biden administration made too, which is that, you know, being for science, being for Public Health is the right place to be politically, and at least as of Last Night, Gavin Newsom seems to have proven that to be a smart bet. Its so interesting, you brought up two issues that i have heard other reporters on the ground In California bring up covering this election. Its even the democrats frustration with crime and homelessness. It sounds like there are a lot of democrats out there that would like a candidate that spoke more like Eric Adams in his New York mayoral race than a lot of the california democratic california politicians they have had over the past 10, 15 years. I think there are a lot of California Voters who would like to see less crime and homelessness, regardless of the governor or mayor, regardless of how they talk about these things, i think people are palpably frustrated with what they see on the streets, a homelessness epidemic, just as bad in San Francisco. They have problems in san diego. Theres not a big city in the state that doesnt have this issue, and like a lot of places in the country, crime has gone up during this pandemic, and people are again visibly palpable frustrated and upset with that. They are more concerned with the facts on the ground than the rhetoric. I do think its going to be a challenge to Governor Newsom when he runs for reelection in 2022, to try to convince many of the Middle Of The Road democrats, and there are tens of millions In California, and also a strong Progressive Base here. But a lot of the Middle Of The Road democrats who want to see those facts change, and they want to see the kind of strength in leadership on those issues that theyve seen from Governor Newsom on the question of covid, which everyone acknowledges hes actually done a pretty good job over the course of the last year and a half, dealing with the tough choices around the pandemic. You know claire in new York City is something that we learned in the early 1990s, mid1990s in new York City where the candidates and democrat or a republican, New Yorkers expect to be safe in their own city. Theyre worried about quality of life issues in their own city. Its why Eric Adams did as well as he did. I am curious. Why does it seem that in San Francisco, for instance, a city thats almost unrecognizable from where it was 15 years ago, its almost like youre walking back into new York City in 1977 or 1978. Why is there a growing frustration among democrats around quality of life issues In California, in places like San Francisco, and why arent democratic politicians recognizing that and responding to it. Well, first, dealing with the Homeless Population is hard, joe, because so many of the people who are homeless are selfmedicating for various Mental Health issues or they have a Substance Abuse Addiction that has made them homeless, and, you know, the problem is that democrats in our hearts want to help these people. But what youre seeing in among democrats In California, and what youre seeing in New York among democrats in New York is that old adage that politics ultimately is very local. We can talk about trump, Larry Elder, crazy stuff on the right wing, but if youre worried about being accosted on the Street Or Someone is urinating in your front yard, it feels different to you, and thats what democrats need to remember, that this is really something we got to pay attention to and the rhetoric around crime and Law Enforcement has sometimes been really counter productive for my party. Now, having said that, whats going to really help democrats, and you have touched on this in the first hour, that is as long as you have to be trumpian to win a republican party, there are going to be a lot of Larry Elders in Swing Districts, a lot of Crazy Town nominated by the republicans, and that will help in the congressional Swing Districts, it will help in the senate races, in purple states because theyre going to nominate people that are far to the right of the mainstream and that is something democrats can take advantage of as long as they dont do a proverbial, were going to screw this up by, you know, leading with lets defund the Police Or Something like that that is frankly just not true but something that we have given them on a silver platter. So Mike Barnicle, obviously the president made his Campaign Visit to boost Gavin Newsom In California, Vice President Kamala Harris was there, what do you suspect as you talk to people around the White House, this result, and again, this may be a California Story, but this result tells Joe Biden about his instinct which has been, as we saw last week in that speech where he talked about putting vaccine mandates on private companies that he should be leaning toward the majority, that the majority of americans in this country support these measures about vaccines and about masks to protect the country and get us through the pandemic and not to listen to the loudest voices and the most extreme voices on those issues. You know, i think if you read Between The Lines coming out of the White House, especially out of the Oval Office, i think you would be looking at a constant reference to three big issues. Claire just mentioned, referenced tip oneills famous like, 40, 50 years ago, that all politics is local, now all politics seems to be national, and i think what theyre looking at is three big issues that influence and affect every single american, and every single american family, covid, Income Inequality, and public safety, and all three issues, i think they look at them this way, that they resolve, revolve around your children. Covid certainly, your child could be allowed to wear a mask in school. Lets get children under the age of 12 vaccinated. Lets get as many people vaccinated as possible to keep everybody safe. Income inequality, its changed drastically over the last 20 years. We need good jobs here. We have to stop this talk about, youll go to trade school, and refit you, instead of being a plumber, youll be some space aged guy, and public safety, there are two things about public safety, people look at a Fire Truck coming down the street, and they say, oh, thats lets applaud, this is great, help is on the way, they look at a Police Car coming down the street, and they say finally, someone here to stop the trouble going on in my block, my home, my neighborhood, and those are three issues, Coast To coast that this administration and this particular president is going to be focusing on until the 2022 midterm elections. Lets bring into the conversation, msnbcs Jacob Soboroff, outside the State Capitol in sacramento. You have been all over this race talking to Governor Newsom and speaking in the last couple of days to Larry Elder. I think its fair to say and you would agree that the gap in the Newsom Camp is confident, given some of the polling that bounced their way, and thats proven out in the margin, were seeing this morning. What was their level of concern over the summer or are they perhaps surprised even by the margin that Steve Kornacki pushing up against 30 points now. I dont know if theyre surprised this morning, willie, but theyre surprised giving the polls a couple of weeks and months ago. This was not looking good for Governor Newsom, i have been listening to you talk, both john and mike are spot on. The issues on the table here In California are the reasons that this recall seemed like it was within reach for the pro proponents of it. There are more homeless people In California than anywhere else in the nation. The Income Inequality is greater here than anywhere else in the country, in addition to covid and rising violent crime, theres also the wildfires that are burning out here. You can literally see and smell the smoke when you come to this part of the state. Whats interesting about the results of the recall is ultimately the voters said look, we want Gavin Newsom to be the Guy Whos going to solve the problems. Larry elder didnt do himself any favor when he started talking about not accepting the results of the election or not committing to doing that, and yesterday Gavin Newsom approached it from the entirely opposite. Whatever the results, i support democracy, and full Stop Period im going to accept the results of the election, and they went in his favor Last Night. And Larry Elder said we need to lose graciously, not talking about Election Fraud but did signal he might run again in the upcoming gubernatorial election. Jacob soboroff in sacramento. Thank you very much. The final months of the Trump President , according to a new book by Bob Woodward and bob costa, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Nbc Chief Washington correspondent Andrea Mitchell has details. Reporter as reported in Bob Woodward and robert costas book peril, Mark Milley called his chinese Counter Part twice in the closing months of the u. S. Presidency. Milleys first call last October 30th was prompted by intelligence that china thought the u. S. Was prepared to attack because u. S. Carriers had carried out military exercises in the south china seas, and trump was berating china for the coronavirus. We must hold accountable the nation which unleashed this plague on to the world. China. Two days after the January 6th insurrection, milley calls general lee again, Woodward And Costa write, lee remained unusually rattled, putting the two nations on the Knife Edge of disaster. Its in the after math of that that he sits down with commanders at the pentagon and goes over with them the procedures for how a Nuclear Weapon can be used. Also alarmed after January 6th, speaker pelosi who calls milley to ask, according to a transcript obtained by the authors what precautions are available to prevent an unstable president from initiating Military Hostilities or from accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike. Milley ends up assuring her, i know the system and we are okay, the president alone can order the use of Nuclear Weapons, one person can order it, several people have to launch it. And the Book Reports Mike Pence sought a way around counting the electoral college votes, counting Dan Quail who tells pence, mike, you have no flexibility on this, none, zero, forget it. Nbcs Andrea Mitchell reporting there. General milley is not commenting on the book so far. People familiar with the matter tell Nbc News a number of cabinet officials agreed to keep a close watch on the President S National Security Decisions at the time. Former President Trump responded to the claims calling them the most ridiculous things he has ever heard. Bob Woodward And Bob costa will joining us on Morning Joe on tuesday. You have a number of prominent republican senators calling for the resignation of General Milley over this. Before we know too much theres new reporting from Fox News that suggests this was among a series of calls General Milley made to allies and adversaries to reassure them after the events of January 6th and that there were a number of people on these calls, and they may not have been as surreptitious as they were presented. And of course republicans acting shocked, just absolutely shocked that Phone Calls would be made from generals and other people inside of an administration where a president was trying to overturn the results of a democratic election. Mike barnicle, these people are children. It might help them to actually read History Books and understand that this has happened before. It has happened at times when President S were not in the best shape as Donald Trump was not in good shape. I would say for his entire presidency but especially after January 6th. You can go back to october of 1973, during the Arab Israeli War of 1973. The war was in the 4th or 5th day, escalating towards possible nuclear war, and Henry Kissinger was fielding calls from 10 downing street. They wanted to speak with nixon, he was drunk, depressed unable to speak, and he said no. For the next six seven months, you had kissinger, alexander hague, and others from time to time calling our allies, calling our enemies and assuring them that everything was going to be okay. The united states wasnt going to act in a way that would start a world war. Thats what leaders have to do from time to time and theres nothing shocking and new about it. You know, joe, i think there was also one other added character. I believe it was a Secretary Of Defense james schlesinger, i think he was deaf at the time, they dont acknowledge history in the republican party. They dont acknowledge other things as well, but history especially, and the Secretary Of Defense, along with everyone else you just mentioned, they had more or less an understanding and they passed that understanding down to underlings, especially within the pentagon, the defense department, if there was any rattling coming out of the Oval Office about the potential use of Nuclear Weapons, president nixon at the time, extremely unbalanced, they were to report to the national Security Advisory before my action at all was taken. This is just Common Sense. Its called public safety, and certainly you can make a strong case during the conclusion of the former guys presidency. There were a lot of people in the house and senate, both sides of the aisle, republican and democrat worried specifically about what we have been talking about for the last few minutes and of Course Today given the divisions in the country, this is going to play out on twitter, completely polarized. Its going to be General Milley is a traitor or a patriot. Thats already started to occur, and lets stick to the factings to the facts, and the facts are we had an unbalanced presidency for four years, and were still living that unbalance out every day. And think about what theyre upset with milley about doing. Yeah. Theyre upset hes calling a leader in china saying dont think you can take advantage of the united states of america, democracy can be chaotic but were strong, were solid. Were in good shape. Nothings going to happen. Were not going to act erratically, and youre not going to take advantage of us. Im sorry, this is something republicans dont like this, this is something, are you so stupid, i just got to ask, are you so stupid, are you so ignorant of how things work that you dont know that from time to time generals talk to generals . Diplomats talk to diplomats, and they send that message, hey, things look kind of crazy in the united states, dont take advantage of this situation. Dont take advantage of it, because were solid. This is something you want a fie to be fired for. Can you grow up a little bit. Im asking, seriously, can you stop playing for your twitter feed. Or the lowest common denominator, like in your district. Because this is really about americas national security, and i just, im absolutely fascinated by the fact that youre attacking a general for telling china, you better not take advantage of us because the united states is strong, things get messy once in a while but thats called democracy, something you dont know anything about, but china let me assure you, america is just fine, were not going to start wars, and were not goingto let you take advantage of us. If you want to attack General Milley that he was sending a message to china you better not take advantage of the united states, you put yourself on that side of history. My god, some of you are already on the side of covering up an insurrection of the united states government. You might as well double down, keep playing your game as a Day Trader politically, and see how poorly that works for you. As for me, as for most americans, we are glad that General Milley stood up and told the chinese the united states of america is just fine, things get a little chaotic in democracies, dont try to take advantage of us, and dont even think were going to pro Advocate Anybody provoke anybody and start a war because of a domestic problem were having right now. And claire mccaskill, you think of the many times the Trump Administration pushed things to the edge, and we asked questions about Mike Pence, where is he, what is he is doing, what exactly is going on. Its worth reading this exchange with Dan Quail and the extended version of it. He reportedly asked quail many times if he could do something to overturn the election. And Dan Quail as Andrea Mitchell Is Reporting said forget it, mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero, forget it. Put it away. And even at that point, Mike Pence says but you dont know the position im in. And quail said i do know the position youre in. I also know what the law is. You listen to the parliamentarian. Thats all you do. You have no power. The fact that Mike Pence was asking these questions, your thoughts, claire . It tells you whats going on behind the scenes. It tells you why that our top Military Leader was doing what every top Military Leader does In America, reaching out to other Military Leaders in the world to keep wars from breaking out when they shouldnt. So really what is really interesting here is trump being trump, this is what happened. After pence tried every way he knew how to see if he could avoid the inevitable, and that is opening the envelope, and declaring the elections as it occurred, the constitutional guardrails, the law guardrails held for pence, and what happened, trump started calling him out to the insurrection crowd, and they marched on the capitol to gouge out the eyes of police officers, shouting to hang Mike Pence, and yesterday after it is revealed like some shock to marco rubio, that our top general was calling to defend democracy as joe said to an undemocratic leader in the world to make sure that a War Dent Break out, to make sure they knew our strength was much stronger than the nonsense that Donald Trump was creating, what does trump say, Fire Him for treason. This is something that these people are still following this guy when he is so bad at respecting the constitution and the rule of law. Its true. John heilemann, i want to circle back to Dan Quail, a guy often maligned by elites, maligned by Social Media. I think what this Episode Shows is what Anne Applebaum was talking about when she wrote the brilliant piece in the atlantic, talking about how you can never really tell when democracys back is against the wall, whos going to step forward and defend it, and she drew the example of two republicans, Lindsey Graham and another republican, mitt romney, you would never expect that mitt romney, a guy that had always been seen as basically having a political Weather Vain and going whichever way the wind would blow, you would never expect he would be the guy that would stand up to the ill liberal forces, and Lindsey Graham the guy with the political background would Cave In and fill these ill liberal tendencies, Dan Quayle, a guy out of the spotlight, he steps up and tells Mike Pence, you know, sit down. Shut up. Do your constitutional duty. And that is it. That is all you can do. This episode really underlines the fact that we are a nation that is divided, i think its more 70 30 than people think, maybe 65 35, and its divided between people who still believe in constitutional norms, who still believe in western style liberal democracy, and those who are ill liberal, and will do whatever it takes to maintain power. Rightright. And it turns out that Dan Quayle who spent as many years as Vice President that Mike Pence spent and after four years as Vice President , under a president , whatever else you want to say about George Herbert Walker bush, an a Guy Who was an arch institutionalist, someone who believed in democratic norms, and believed in the rule of law, and the stuff that everybody has long believed in In America, until quite recently under Donald Trump when the republican party went off the deep end. Dan quayle spent Work Doing in the private sector, philanthropic center, reflected on what makes the american system great, which is the norms and values and structures. It turns out that Mike Pence after his four years in the Vice President has not been left with that appreciation. What he has left with is hes a more craven, more yolked to Donald Trump than he was the day that he walked in, and way more than the prevailing narrative have it. What the pence people have sold people on since January 6th is this bill of goods it turns out, that Mike Pence was a hero. That Donald Trump pushed him and said you got to go and do something there on January 6th to try to overturn the election, and that make pence held his ground and said Donald Trump theres no way we can do this. I believe in the constitution, i believe in the rule of law, and it turns out in fact through this period that Mike Pence was trying to figure out a loophole so he could help Donald Trump. Thats what we learned is that, you know, Dan Quayle is, you know, what we would hope, someone who served with the Vice President would be, and Mike Pence is not, and is the opposite of that, and its something we should keep in mind. Mike pence has his eyes on the White House, and the stuff in the book will help the appreciation for what really happened between November 7th and January 6th when it comes to Donald Trump and his enablers. Were going to be talking about Norm Mcdonald in a little bit, just talking about what a great comedian he was, what a legend this man was and what weve lost. Its fascinating, over the course of the last few months, i found myself listening to podcasts, and one of them i love is conan obriens podcast, and the smartless podcast with Jason Bateman and Will Arnett, comics of a certain generation, both on Saturday Night live as performers or writers, Will Arnett performing, and they have a lot of snl alums, and when you hear the alums tell stories, its delightful, if you care about comedy, and consider yourself a student of that kind of television, and one thing that comes through is there are some people who are on the show who have kind of universal respect, love, people who appreciate their gifts sometimes to a greater degree than their level of public fame. Norm macdonald is one of those people. He was a Guy Who really kind of was part of the transformation of Weekend Update from the chevy chase, the Slapstick Version of Weekend Update to where it is now, the seat of political commentary on the show. And Norm Macdonald was key to that transformation, and someone put in the pantheon of the handful of greatest cast members of snl, and that says a lot. A Guy Who, you know, carries out of the snl world. If you ask David Letterman who some of his favorite comedic guests, Norm Macdonald would be at the top of the list, one of the people who saw David Letterman off the air when letterman was retiring, macdonald was there in The End in a place of honor in daves pantheon. I think hes not as famous as chris rock, other people who have come out of that place, that institution, snl, but someone who left a huge mark on that show, and left this moral coil with a place in the pantheon among comics of being one of The Very Best at that art and that craft. Very nice. John heilemann, thank you very much for being on this morning, and still ahead on Morning Joe, tensions appear to be rising between North And South korea as both countries conduct dueling Missile Tests. Plus, democrat senator Joe Manchin crosses the aisle to meet with Minority Leader Mitch Mcconnell over voting rights. A look at where that new legislation stands. Plus, senator Chris Murphy is standing by and joins the conversation next. And joes new podcast is live. He has great conversations lined up. Be sure to check it out on spotify, Apple Music or wherever you get your podcasts. And here is some of that Cutting Comedy of Norm Macdonald. You got to hand it to the president , his injury is not holding him back from doing the business of the nation. He nominated major general Claudia Kennedy as the armys first three star general, i think thats great. Shes doing a great job. Apparently the only thing shes having trouble with, shes having difficult figuring out how to sexually harass herself. She doesnt though how to ually harass herself she doesnt though how to with a pool big enough for the most epic cannon balls. 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These launches come after North Korea said it successfully tested a new long Range Missile on sunday. Well be following that. Secretary of state Antony Blinken continued to defend the administrations handling of the withdrawal from afghanistan. Yesterday appearing before the senate foreign Relations Committee. President biden has transcribed the evacuation from afghanistan as an extraordinary success, his words, extraordinary success. This has to be the lie of the 21st century. Its dishonest and if he believes it, its delusional. I think its a moral disgrace. You nearly dislocated your shoulder patting yourself on the back. We had a Government And Security forces in place. That by every estimate would be able to protect the city, protect kabul, protect the other provincial capitals certainly through the year. There were people who managed to flood the airport. We had to do an immediate assessment of those. We had to make sure we could clear people out of the airports so the flights could come in, Go Out, but No One came to the united states without being checked somewhere else first to make sure they dont pose a security threat. You knew there was no way you were going to get all of these people out in time, give the rapid collapse of the security forces, and you said yesterday that you inherited a date but in fact you didnt inherit the date. The date was May 1st and you pushed it to august 31st. I dont understand why a date was not inherited and a date was not selected that would be sufficient to actually remove people from the nation. We took some risk in terms of what the taliban would do or not do after May 1st in pushing beyond May 1st, and we of course worked this very hard. Its a risk with other people we took. The risk was on people we care for. Yeah. Well, its also doing what 75 of the american people had been asking politicians to do for a very long time. I may have been in the 25 , but he was following the popular i just have to say one other thing too, a comment made to Secretary Of State blinken that it was the lie of the century to suggest that this evacuation where basically 120, 130,000 people about the size of billings, millionth, have been Air Lifted to safety away from afghanistan, that it was the lie of the century to say that was a success. Even if you disagree that it was a success, i think we can all agree that the political eye of the century, that unfortunately too many republicans continue to support is that the 2020 election was rigged and that democracy, American Democracy has failed and that Joe Biden is not the rightful president of the united states. Lets just get that straight, if youre talking about lite of the century, thats the lie of the century. Anything else coming out of any other Republicans Mouth really is laughable. Lets bring in democratic senator Chris Murphy of connecticut. He sits on the foreign relatives Relations Committee was there yesterday. Overall, how did Antony Blinken, the Secretary Of State make the case for the way the u. S. Withdrew from afghanistan . I think Secretary Blinken did very well yesterday. This is a big moment for republicans like senator barrasso, these are legislators that cheer led the war for 20 years that forced us to stay there, arguably ten years too long when we knew the taliban was going to overrun the military. Their effort is to obscure what was bad Decision Making by Cheer Leaders of the war for 20 years, focusing all of the Nations Attention on what happened over the last 30 days. Now, of course, i think even Secretary Blinken would say he would do some things differently, but the idea that the united states has the power with only a couple of Thousands Troops and diplomats inside afghanistan prevent Pandemonium And Chaos on the streets after the overnight collapse of the government is magical thinking. Getting 130,000 people out is impressive but there was no way to stop a mad rush to the airport. There was no way for the united states to be able to control the streets of kabul, to get everyone to the airport. Wars are unfortunately messy, i dont know that we have ever had an Air Lift of Human Beings that brought this many people out of a War Zone into safety. Theres a lot of work to do, and an accounting of whether he could have done things better but i think blinken is right, those people on the ground serving the united states, diplomats and soldiers should be applauded for the work they did to get so many people out of harms way. Senator murphy, its willie geist, your fellow republican senator Richard Blumenthal said we are tainting Americas Reputation around the world by failing to do more to evacuate american citizens and afghan allies. On that piece of it, can the biden administration be doing more, should it have done more in the weeks and months leading up to the deadline to get after began wartime allies out to whom we made a promise, fight alongside us, against the taliban, against al qaeda, and we will make sure youre safe . I think the biden administration is making an extraordinary effort, and i think you have to rewind a bit to understand how difficult it was to get out all of the afghan partners that we would have liked. President trump effectively shut down what we call the siv program, this is the program by which we bring out interpreters, drivers, security professionals that were embedded with the u. S. Military. Trump stopped interviews of those individuals, dramatically slowed the flow of afghan partners out of the country, and so Joe Biden had to sort of effectively restart it from scratch. We are all heartbroken by the fact that we werent able to get out every single afghan partner that worked with us, but we did save 100,000 lives. We are going to continue to try to work to get more out of the country. And i think there unfortunately a limit to what a couple of thousand troops can do inside afghanistan. Thats the number Donald Trump left when Joe Biden came to do. Im proud of the effort our soldiers and diplomats did to get so many out of there in a short period of time. You have been to afghanistan, you know the history of the country, a few weeks ago i was speaking to someone who you know who was intimately involved with the policies surrounding afghanistan for several years, and this person told me quote it was always going to end this way unquote. Do you agree with that assessment, his backward look at the picture of what happened at the airport on those, you know, 10, 12 days . What was stunning to me with my visits to afghanistan starting about ten years ago is the contrast between the assessment of the intelligence analysts and the assessment of the department of defense personnel. The analysts told visiting delegations routinely that once the united states left the taliban would run the country, there was no way for us to stand up an american style democracy, and american style military, but the generals on the ground in part because they just always sort of come to their job with a can do spirit had a different view. They believed that they could continue to adjust the plan such that they would be successful, they could stand up an afghan political and military infrastructure that could permanently withstand the taliban, it turned out that the intelligence analysts were right, and we never solved this conflict that existed between those two entities, thats whats heartbreaking, the fact that we stayed for ten years, lost hundreds of additional american lives, we spent an additional trillion dollars of our Taxpayer Money once it should have been clear to policy makers that the task we were given there is unaxhooefible. Thats the accountable that congress should be doing right now. Not just the last 40 days but the last 10 years that caused us to stay in a mission likely unachievable. Hey, chris. Claire here. Our friend Joe Manchin clearly is enjoying the attention like all quite senators. He enjoys the attention he is getting but im getting Phone Calls and talking to many of your colleagues in the senate on the democratic side that have mounting frustration because joe is not saying what hes against specifically and what he is for specifically in the bill that is still hanging in the balance and that is the Biden Bill to radically change some of the programs that helped exact families that need it right now. So am i correct that manchin needs to finally say what hes for and against and quit doing the vague deals im not for it . If i put you on the spot i apologize but im really not apologizing. Hey, claire. Listen. I think this is crunch time right now. I read Senator Manchins editorial. He is asking for additional time. To what purpose . If we take an extra month to pass this legislation then we need to be talking about what brings together as a caucus. I share this frustration over an obsession on the top line. Right . This how much are we going to spend net of Tax Revenue we bring in . What we should be focused on is what do we need to do to save middle america . What are the investments to make in people to save this democracy and families from ruin . I think if we approach the question that way we could find common ground amongst the 50 of us. I dont know the details of what Senator Manchin is willing to support but in the past he is amongst the strongest supporters of the american Care Act and medicaid. I hope that we sort of stop this obsession of what the number is and talk about what american families need. If we do that i think we can come to common ground quickly. All right. Thank you still ahead, nearly a year and a half after the lights went out on broadway theaters are now welcoming back audiences at full capacity. We have an exclusive look behind the curtain next on Morning Joe. A oncemonthly addon injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. 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Theater in New York is the live blood of the city. I have to say as i hold on to the ladder theres no place like home cheers from the heart of new York City yesterday as more broadway theaters began welcoming back audiences at full capacity marking The End of the longest shutdown. Awesome. In its history. Hamilton creator, the lion king director. And original wicked star introduced the audiences back to the shows. Morning joe has a look at more of the reopenings. This is more than a nightclub it is a state of mind the curtain has risen on broadway once again. Four shows returned yesterday and by next month 28 shows will be open or in previews with other major openings spaced throughout november and december. Welcome to the moulon rounlg. It was the Firstever Closure for a Public Health concerns and only the seventh time in history the great white way as its known faced a shutdown. In march of 2020, broadway shut down. March 12th. We were the first show to shut down and they said one of the cast members had probably gotten sick with covid and canceling the show. That never happens on broadway why the show must go on. You know . All these artists and people who work backstage and ushers and on and on and the businesses affected by the success of broadway were, you know, put on hold. Our lives, our entire lives were put on hold. Life resumed for the cast of moulin rouge. About nine days after our show closed down i wound up having to go to the hospital. I was in the shower and i was coughing up blood and obvious i contracted covid19. I have had some symptoms of covid that have continued on and lasted. Im what they call a long hauler. Took me two months before i could walk around the block and now im dancing with the rest of the kids who are 30 years younger than me. Started to work out again like about two months ago and then even now when we are in rehearsals sort of my breath and getting winded far earlier than i know i will when im in show mode. It is not just per forlers that need to brush off the russ. Jerry harris provides lighting, Video And Sound to broadway shows. Starting back up is it is not like you turn a switch. Theres equipment sitting dormant for 16 months. Its as much or more about the people getting back up to speed as it is about the equipment. How long will it take for the performers to get back in the rhythm and the musicians, stage hands, the dressers and those people to be able to work in cadence and in sync because thats what Broadway Or Theater is all about. It is a family, a team effort. Within of the challenges to the return is recognizing that Team Wont necessarily the be the same. Rachel is director of Hades Town the tony award winning best musician that reopened two weeks ago. Coming back in terms of spiritual and Mental Health has been not taking for granted that we know each other. I think we tried as a creative team to come back Epa Lead that first day of rehearsal in a way that kind of allowed everyone to reintroduce themselves to each other and a performer said i am not the same human who you all knew a year and a half ago. That goes to the incredible loss, that certain members of our company experienced, to the loss that the nation and the world has experienced. With the reopenings coinciding with the Delta Surge many performers and producers are holding their breath. Rock Icon David Byrne opens this friday and keeping an eye on the news every day. Broadway survives from tourism, people coming from out of state so its probably a real concern for the producers. Hows this all going to work . Certain amount of one day at a time and you could do a good amount of plans like understudies and getting that ready in case One Of Us cant go. But for now the shows must go on. The world needs art now more than ever. Our country needs broadway to come back. They need the arts to come back stronger than ever to reflect on what just happened, what we all went through collectively. It feels like this resurrection and so much energy as broadway comes back to life. We all need somebody great job by the team at Morning Joe putting that together. David is your next podcast guest. I think that drops on friday. Just past the top of the hour now. Well dig in to new reporting about just how toxic instagram is for teen girls and facebook knows it. But first, we remember a comic legend. But whats the movie going to be called . Really . I know. Whats that . If its got Carrot Top in it, box office poison. Hold on she did it. Courtney thorn smith the girl sitting to your left is in the movie. I will go see it. Scare everybody else away. I would see any movie with this lady in it. She is a nice, talented Talk Show guest. As evidenced by her apeerps on the rival show theres a movie coming out. Yes. Title undetermined. Chairman of the board. Oh. All right. Do something with that you freak. The board is bored. Oh my gosh. Took 15 minutes to recover from that of course. Former Saturday Night live Norm Macdonald who tragically passed away yesterday after a long battle with cancer. Well have more about his legacy coming up. Norm macdonald was one of the funniest guys out there. He just held a special place in so many of his fans hearts. Such sad, sad news. Truly. I gasped when i saw this yesterday. I guess he was sick with cancer almost a decade and kept it private or told very few people anyway. Nobody makes me laugh harder. Thats for sure. You could see it on conans face. Watch the hosts faces. The funniest people In America. Conan, letterman, stewart. Cant keep it together around Norm And Nobody did the Slow Burn joke better than norm. He would wind it up for two or three minutes and because it was him you knew it would land somewhere bizarre and hilarious eventually. Whether it was standup, a Talk Show, whether doing Weekend Update or Burt Reynolds on snl Theres Nobody funnier than Norm Macdonald. The comedians said the same yesterday. Norm macdonald, he made them laugh the hardest. I put myself in that camp. He really leaves a hole bringing so much joy to so many people. Fearless and most of the jokes as you know the bits we cant deliver this morning on tv because from the mouths of anybody else you would be run out of show business. Indeed. Were of course showing pictures of his Burt Reynolds. Which on jeopardy is a classic and our kids will be laughing at that 30, 40 years from now. Much more on his legacy coming up. Californias democratic Governor Newsom survives an attempt to remove him from office prevailing in the states Recall Election Nbc News projects. The voters were asked whether he should be removed and gave voters the choice of 46 alternatives led by conservative Talk Host Larry elder. With the help of Party Leaders including President Biden in the races closing days newsom rousing democratic voters with warning that a republican replacement would roll back covid protections and pose a danger if the states progressive identity. Newsom thanked California Voters for keeping him in office. We said yes to science and vaccines, to ending this pandemic. We said yes to peoples right to vote without fear of fake Fraud Or Voter suppression. We said yes to womens fundamental constitutional right to decide for herself what she does with her body and her fate and future. We said yes to diversity, to inclusion. We said yes to pluralism. We said yes to all those things that we hold dear as californians and i would argue as americans. Im humbled and grateful to the millions and millions of californians that exercised their fundamental right to vote and express themselves so overwhelmingly by rejecting the division, by rejecting the cynicism, by rejecting the negativity that defined our politics in the country over the course of so many years. Lets bring in right now national political correspondent for Nbc News and msnbc Steve Kornacki. Steve, i look at the numbers and they are awfully close overall to the 2020 president ial numbers. Yeah. Take a look at this. 70 counted up. 6436 for no. Just look at the map right here. Purple no. Orange yes. Fix your eyes on it. Flip the over and showed you Last November. Look at that. The County Breakdown is the same. 6434 biden when you round up In California Last November. Basically the democrats, the goal in this thing, ahead it through the messaging, they tried to nationalize this, attach this to attitudes to trump before. You can go county by county and dramatic. Take a look. Orange county, south of los angeles, a biggest county in the country. See the recall. Close to 80 . Recall at 53 no right now why what did Biden Run at in 2020 . 53. 5 no. Go to the Inland Empire next door. Biden at 53 in riverside county. No at 52. 5 . San bernardino county. Biden at 54 . No is at 52 . Didnt deviate much. To look to zoom in and find anything different in the central valley, thats probably where the recall did best. It might have outpaced trump by 4 or 5 points in the counties here and then the Bay Area. Newsom used to be the mayor of San Francisco. Super liberal area. The recall might be doing worse in those counties than Donald Trump did in 2020 but we are talking about differences of a couple points. This thing maps on almost perfectly to what you saw Last November when Joe Biden won by 29 points. A question. The movement in Orange County over the last couple decades, Hillary Clinton the first democrat in forever to within the thing in 2016 by 2 points. Biden wins it by 9. Now its a rejecting the recall at this point by 6 points. What is changing and shifting in Orange County is changing and shifting in this Recall Election. Democrats can look at that and be pleased that they havent lost too much in a Swing Area like that. What about those Congressional Districts that democrats barely won in 2018 that helped Nancy Pelosi become speaker . Still Swing Districts out there in 2020 and 2022. Is it too early to tell if there was much in the difference in those areas that may determine who will be the next speaker out house . Orange county right there. I dont mean to fixate too much on the one county. 2018 the democrats got a sweep in the Orange County Congressional Districts. In 2020 when republicans did better nationally in the House Races than expected they picked back a couple of those in Orange County and all eyes on it for clues for 2022. See where the number lands when everything is counted up. Mail ballots dropped off on Election Day is left there and see how it moves at all as the final 20 comes in and looks similar to 2020 and anything similar to 2020 in Orange County i think republicans could survive but democrats could get them back. Not seeing a Big Snapback to pretrump Orange County republican numbers. Looks like what happened under trump to change Orange County more politically looks like thats locked in here. So, steve, 30point win, may be less for Gavin Newsom but people were generally concerned and a reason Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders came in. How did things change so dramatically . Was it the emergence of Larry Elder . What did the votes hinge on . We are just talking about how similar this is to the basic breakdown. The red blue map and really the red blue map you expect in any California Election these days. I think three things to say. The polling that was out there over the summer when there started to be rumblings is certainly caught my Interest And Everybody and didnt have a ton of it and a reason from the beginning to look at that polling and take it with a grain of 1589. But other two things to change and help democrats down the stretch, california, the way they do things, ballots automatically mailed to every voter so for democrats saying its a Biden Plus 30 state. Every voter tuned in when they get a ballot mailed to them. Lands the Election Right in their face in their mailbox. That might have in a state like california might help democrats. The other thing along those lines is everyone, media people, everyone paying attention to the race as the Media Coverage picked up. Democrats picked up the efforts. Recall supporters. Getting more attention coming into the spotlight people in general migrated to the political camps, been migrating to In California and nationally the last few years and so striking here how similar to Last Novembers race. Not saying the recall did 20 points better than trump, 10 opponents worse than here. It maps on to the results of november and why biden is there the night before the election and looked at the map and the Biden Plus 30 and said if we can come close to that well do fine here. They came close to replicating it. Steve, thank you very much. Still ahead, new reporting putts to rest any question of whether social Media Giants know that their platforms are harmful to teens. They do and the Wall Street Journal has the receipts. Something all parents and guardians need to know is next on Morning Joe. 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The researchers said in a March 2020 Slide Presentation posted to facebooks internal Message Board reviewed by the Wall Street Journal comparisons on instagram can change how Young Women view and describe themselves. We make Body Image issues worse for 1 in 3 teen girls said a slide from 2019. Summarizing research about teen girls that experience the issues. Teens blame instagram for increases in the rate of Anxiety And Depression said another slide. This reaction was unprompted and consistent across all groups. Among teens who reported suicidal thoughts, 13 of british users and 6 of american users trace the desire to kill themselves to instagram. These are Internal Facebook documents. They looked at studies and come to this conclusion, not an outside group. This is facebook admitting this internally knowing that their product in 2019 enin anxiety, depression and suicide. Expanding the base of young users is vital to the companys annual revenue and doesnt want to jeopardize their engage. With the platform. The journal reports the documents also show that facebook has made minimal efforts to address the issues and plays them down in public. More than 40 of instagrams users are 22 years old and younger and 22 Million Teens Log on to instagram in the u. S. Each day. Instagrams head of policy reported in a blogpost writing in part that the company is researching ways to pull users away from dwelling on the posts. If any other company put a product out there and tested it on the market and saw it hurt people what are we . A bunch of Guinea Pigs . Why is facebook allowed to actually put their platform out there and then what . Change it in realtime as they realize how damaging it is to the american public and perhaps create Suicidal Ideation . This is crazy. Facebook admits in internal documents that girls report 13 , that had suicidal thoughts, Suicidal Ideations. That facebook pushed them there and a percentage of American Girls the same way. Willie, maybe four, five, six years ago we wept to give a speech at a new Jersey University and rachel who was with us while we were speaking was talking to the head of students, the dean of students, when we go there and go around to places how are things going . Hows the School Doing . Six, seven years ago, the dean of students said my biggest problem is instagram. Said Young Women at this School Levels of anxiety, depression, suicide issal ideations. They skyrocket. We talk to them, counsel them and the problems around here it seems goes back to instagram. Like five, six, seven years ago and since then one story after another story after another story talking about how instagram leads to anxiety, depression and Suicidal Ideation among our Teenage Girls and i started to say to Mika Facebook remind me of Big Tobacco. They know their product is damaging people. They know its causing people to kill themselves. They know its causing depression and anxiety. And theyre not doing anything about it. I guess the question is just like the question on why they can let people be slandered and publish lies that kill people, i guess the question is, why is there one rule for facebook and one rule for the rest of us . Yeah. This story the Wall Street Journal story landed like a bomb in our house yesterday. I have a 14yearold Daughter and we are in this conversation right now about whether instagram is a good idea or not. This from march of 2020. Just of a year ago Internal Facebook research. A pressure to look perfect and addictive product can send teens to Eating Disorders and depression. Not the three of us saying that. Internal Facebook Conversations that the Wall Street Journal reports this data is presented to mark zuckerberg. He was on Capitol Hill recently talking about this. As you know on instagram as a young Girl Or Woman the teeth are white and perfect. The vacations are impossible and fomo. Looking at a group of friends that you are not with. Thinking about the things you dont have or trying to live up to an ideal presented there a filter or with rented cars orr a house thats not theirs. You can see how unhealthy that is and maddening to know that facebook for three years has been all too aware of the effect their product makes but makes them 100 Billion a year. Instagram for facebook and the audience is young. 40 22 or younger where the bread is buttered. Up to someone on the outside apparently to do something about it because facebook knows and doesnt seem to want to do anything. Well talk to a u. S. Congressman who represents parts of silicon valley. Democrat Ro Khanna tackles these issues next on Morning Joe. Welcome to allstate. Where you can pay a little less and enjoy the ride a little more. Now, get new lower auto rates with allstate. Because better protection costs a whole lot less. Youre in good hands with allstate. Click or call for a lower auto rate today. Trading isnt just a hobby. Its your future. So you dont lose sight of the big picture, even when youre focused on whats happening right now. And thinkorswim trading™ is right there with you. To help you become a smarter investor. With an innovative Trading Platform full of customizable tools. Dedicated Trade Desk pros and a passionatE Trader Community Sharing strategies right on the platform. Because we take trading as seriously as you do. 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They know the product is harming people and theyre doubling down on targeting because they make so much money from young people. Absolutely right. I texted my staff saying get me the clip of scarborough. It is outrageous. Not just girls. Facebook recommended Qanon Clips getting people to join based on peoples profile. Theres an Internet Bill of right that is we have proposed saying you have to have optin data. You have to do basic regulations with kids. It is stuck in the committees but you are right to hold us responsible and point out the flaws. Ill send it to people in The Valley and my colleagues. What can congress reasonably do here . Reading through this the Wall Street Journal article and a letter was sent in august to facebook saying you need to tell us what you know about the damage to teenagers caused be the product and said the answers were so evasive said Senator Blumenthal that he suspected facebook was hiding something and now we know its the internal research. What can congress do about this for a private company . I dont think we need more information. I think we know what theyre doing is wrong. We need regulation. We can start out with very basic things. They should basically have to get any Persons Consent before collecting data. Why does this matter . They target young people and adults based on profiles. If someone is anorexic they can be targeted with negative information about Body Information and needs to stop. They need to be held to the same safety and public Health And Consumer safety standards as other companies selling products and the same standards for minors. Other thing is theres the Child Protection Act applying to kids under 13 but folks lie about it. There are folks on instagram under 13 and need liability if they use the products. There are a host of things but i think the point is exactly right. It is not that congress doesnt know what to do. Congress hasnt acted. Ive been in congress five years. Stuck in the Energy And Commerce committee. These folks are responsible for misinformation and it is not the first amendment. The first amendment doesnt protect the right to cause bodily harm or the right to incite violence. Congressman, thank you jirngs coming up, one of the next guests served as a top white House Advise every to President Obama. Now Cecilia Munoz is helping afghan refugees and joins the conversation just ahead on Morning Joe. Hey google. Its another day. And anything could happen. It could be the day you welcome 1,200 guests and all their devices. Or it could be the day theres a cyberthreat. Get ready for it all with an advanced network and managed services from comcast business. And get cybersecurity solutions that let you see everything on your network. Plus an Expert Team looking ahead 24 7 to help prevent threats. Every day in business is a big day. Well keep you ready for whats next. Comcast business powering possibilities. 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What about the old days when they took pictures with you way back . When they pulled that thing and exploded and stuff. I got a picture of my great grandfather. Thing took six hours to take the picture and as the picture of my great grandfather, every guy had one picture back then. Him like i got to get back to feed them hogs. Whos going to feed the hogs . Somebody got to feed them hogs. Now, in the future, of course, it will be different. 50 years from now people will be going, hey, you want to see 100,000 of my great grandfather . Who was funnier . Norm macdonald on his final standup appearance. He passed away yesterday at 61 after a years long battle with cancer. Letter marn said in every important Way Norm was the best. Saturday night live Twitter Account posted today is a sad day. We mourn the loss of norm. One of the most impactful comedic voices of his or any other generation. But most of all he was just funny. No one funny like norm. Suspect that the truth, mike . Look at the tributes paid to him yesterday from the most brilliant minds in comedy. David letterman, conan obrien, jon stewart. And you could spend months on youtube just watching clips of norm and frankly many of us have over the years. I did that yesterday. Just plain funny is exact. You see him and you smile because you know as he begins a long buildup perhaps sometimes or a quick buildup to a joke it will be really funny. I was watching yesterday a clip of norm on the couch as a guest on letterman and telling a story of a Ball Game with bob euchre, the legendary announcer and got dave laughing so hard that dave could not continue any line of Questioning And Norm just kept going and it is a short clip. Like two minutes. I was sick laughing at it. Thats who norm was and in my mind and will be forever in these clips. Talk show apeerpss. His standup. His time on snl on weekend up date. Fearless. He made o. J. Jokes so relentlessly and ultimately he was fired by the person running the show at the time who was a friend of o. J. s. If you go and want to dig in there he is as Burt Reynolds. He had a netflix show. Low Rent Production to sit at a desk for 45 minutes and talk to somebody. Norm being norm. I have shared so many laughs with so many friend particularly with my dad who loves Norm Macdonald. Leaves us in smiles and he will be so very missed. Leaves a big hole for a lot of us who love him but luckily his legacy lives on online. Absolutely. Thank you. We want to turn to covid now and update on how hospitals in the south are doing amid the pandemic. In alabama, all icu beds are occupied. Every single one. The New York times reports dozens of patients in the state in recrept days have needed beds that were not available. In texas, nearly 170 hospitals have icus more than 95 full. According to recent data about 700 intensive care beds remaining across the state. Last week in florida, 24 hospitals reported having more icu patients than available beds. Meanwhile tennessee now ranks first in the country for new covid19 cases per capita. The state is averaging more than 6,800 cases a day. Thats about 100 cases for every 100,000 people. The states worst Virus Surge yet. Joining us now the chair of the Metro Nashville Covid19 task force, dr. Alex jungarere. High School Chief of the Vumc Division of orthopedic trauma. It is good to have you on. This lack of Icu Space is another sign of the pandemic ripping through the south. It is fair to say at this point and you can correct me if im wrong that people that need icu beds for other reasons may not get them . Good morning. Youre absolutely right. Not only is tennessee the worst for new cases, from the beginning of the Pandemic Tennessee is worst number of cases per capita of any State And Feeling that in the hospital. Just a few days ago i had a patient whos a Trauma Patient coming in after a car wreck. Fixed him and got him stabilize and five days later had covid and died from covid and not the trauma and the numbers across florida, texas are exactly what we see here in tennessee. People are dying. Its just really unnecessary, unforced error because just like everywhere else these are unvaccinated patients for the most part. Do you have a sense of how many children are in icus in tennessee with covid . We have about across the state about 20 or so pediatric patients in icu but seeing that the pediatric hospitals are filling up with covid patients as well as other viruses because people get out there and seeing this upsurge. We had a 17yearold Kid die from covid this weekend in east tennessee. 17 years old. Imagine that. It just breaks my heart because i suspect theyre probably unvaccinated and unnecessary that we have this. Frankly it is lack of leadership that is causing this problem. Dr. Fauci said on the Show Yesterday that a thing to keep in mind is that youre not getting vaccinated for yourself but, for example, for the children. Who cant get vaccinated and children under 12. Are we seeing children that are very young getting covid in tennessee . We are seeing that. Fortunately most of those kids are not critical but heres what we need. We need to not opt out of masks in school. Two largest school districts in tennessee did not allow that. We need to encourage vaccinations. Not just covid but all kind of vaccinations in tennessee to keep the children safe. Thats something thats actively being attacked and we need to make sure that the public Health Infrastructure such as the local health boards stripped of powers and the State Health Department which talked about dissolving doesnt happen. Needs to protect kids, neighbors and friends for those reasons. Good morning. Good to have you on the show this morning. You are the head of the Covid19 Task Force in nashville. Nashville is a bit of an oasis from whats happening in the state and the south in terms of the way you have done with it. Is that still true . Are you doing better in nashville than elsewhere in the state . If so, why . Yes. In short. We are have a highest Vaccination Rate in the state. Consistent with the national average. The cases per 100,000 is one of the top one or two districts in the state. The reason is taking it seriously. We are vaccinating and one of the first in the state to do state at home orders and Mask Man dates and have an active Vaccination Drive that we have been doing from the beginning over 500 popup events, Mass Vaccination events but at The End of the day we are in Tennessee And Nashville has people that commute in and out of the state and visit the city and proud of that but we need the Vaccination Rate up. Im proud of Bridgestone Arena the home of the predators that require vaccinations to be able to attend events. Big businesses are requiring Vaccine Or Testing and hopeful that that leadership will percolate throughout the state. Youre there on the ground in a state with low Vaccination Rate fighting the good fight. If things continue the way they are, if the Vaccination Rate remains relatively low in the state of tennessee, seeing more pediatric patients, where do you see this heading into next year . I wish i could say somewhere good. I think a lot of my colleagues are exhausted. I dont see this miraculously going away. People say there would be all the people that got the disease and immune. Mutations happen. Thats how delta happened. My hope is that people see that this is real and listening to actual factual information such as what you have been giving for 18 months and do that with people that theyre close to impacted by this. They will have Family Members suck or die. I know people that actually have gotten vaccinated now because they have a close Family Member impacted and while i hate thats what it comes to perhaps thats my hope that thats what will get people to do what is needed to protect everyone. Professor at Vanderbilt University medical center, thank you so much for your advice this morning. Coming up, some 65,000 afghan refugees are making the united states they should new home. And three former President S are pitching in to help with the resettlement efforts. Thats where our next guest comes in. Former Obama Policy Adviser Cecilia Munoz joins us straight ahead to explain. Keep it right here on Morning Joe. How did we come up with the idea to combine our famous Mac And Cheese with our iconic grilled cheese . By saying yes. Yes to new inventions yes to clean and fresh ingredients and yes to living life to the flavorfullest. Panera. Live your yes. Order on our app. Ok, lets talk about those changes to your financial plan. Bill, mary . Hey. 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As your business changes, the United States Postal Service is changing with it. With ecommerce that runs at the speed of now. Next Day And Twoday shipping nationwide, and returns right from the doorstep. Its a whole New World out there. Lets not keep it waiting. Weve seen the news lately, full of stories of afghans fleeing danger and starting new lives here. So many american stories started exactly this way. This is a moment for the american people to respond. We have a choice. We can choose to step up for those who put their families at risk for us, who served with us, who would be us. That was part of the new ad from welcome u. S. , a new organization helping with the resettlement of the roughly 65,000 afghans evacuated to the united states after the taliban took control of that country. The group was started by former Obama And Bush administration officials and former President S bush, clinton and obama, along with all three former first ladies, are honorary cochairs of the organization. Joining us now, cofounder of welcome u. S. , cecelia munoz, former director of the White House domestic Policy Council under President Obama. Youve got a good bench behind you helping support this organization. But tell us exactly who these people are. 65,000 afghans, how theyre doing, where they are right now and what is the effort to relocate them . What does that look like . We know some of them have already come to the united states but most of them are folks who have been evacuated from afghanistan who are at military bases around the world waiting to be cleared to come to the united states. What we want welcome u. S. To do as an Organization And Website is connect americans with ways to help them once they get here. And tell me some of the challenges involved with that, and hopefully not given the political divisions were seeing, but maybe also because of the political divisions were seeing. But what do you need to do to execute this effectively . Well, the most important thing is to engage the american people. Weve been really, really excited by the outpouring of support from both sides of the aisle, people of all walks of life who understand these are folks who helped our troops, helped us, and that its now time to stand up for them. As they arrive, we are hoping that we can connect regular americans to the local organizations who are meeting them at the airport, helping them get set up in homes, helping them start their new lives. And this is as much about the needs of the people from afghanistan who are starting new lives in the united states as it is about us, frankly, mika. This is our country to be a place of welcome, which is something that as americans weve always prided ourselves on being. This is really the best of who we are. Good morning, cecelia. Its willie geist. Congratulations on the work youre doing. Its difficult work. I think its important to let people know what this journey looks like through the eyes of an afghan refugee. They come to america, find a home. They had to leave their Home Country under pressure because they didnt want to be killed by the taliban, many of them. They arrive at a base in the united states and go to cities like st. Louis or tucson or wherever they end up. What does that process look like for them . How do they begin life In America . When its done at its best, theres someone there to greet them and navigate helping them get their children into school, helping them find where the Grocery Store is, helping them with a new job. For the refugees who are coming, this particular crisis is obviously an enormous moment in their lives, but its also just a moment in their lives. In the united states weve resettled refugees for generations. We know these are folks that will be successful, but they will be more successful if we lend a hand. And frankly, we will be enriched at least as much, really more even than the families were helping. This is as much about us, the welcomers, as it is about the people were welcoming. Right now thousands of refugees from afghanistan are living in airports around the world, doha, dubai, germany and elsewhere. And many of them are en route to the united states of america where there is a famous slogan, nimbe, not in my back yard. People will say we have to help these people, they helped us. But not in my back yard. What is the larger plan for finding places that are receptive to accepting these people who did, indeed, help us . So this is the plan. So you mentioned the phrase, and the other phrase i would mention is out of many, one. Thats what the united states is. Thats what we pride ourselves on. And what im so excited about is that weve had an outpouring of support of regular folks on both sides of the aisle who understand that this is a time to stand up for people who stood up for us, and that we are at our very best when we are at a place of welcome. When we help people make a new start, thats the essence of the american story and thats what we have an opportunity to do now. And im grateful to say that people from all walks of life, companies, veterans organizations, faithbased groups, regular folks are coming together. We want them to come to welcome u. S. On the internet as a place to find ways to help. And many are coming forward and thats an exciting moment. It says something about us that is tremendously important as americans and what we represent to the world. Cecelia, what about the message that youre delivering right now about welcome. Us that might be important for us to brace now more than ever before . Well, look, i think about this as being a moment to remind ourselves who we are as americans. So many of us trace our own histories to a story very much like the story of these afghan families who are coming. This is an opportunity to stand up and do good, remember who we are, and to do well by people who did right by us. So welcome. Us is a place to connect to ways that you can help. I love it. For more information and to get involved, go to welcome. Us on the web. Cecelia, thank you so much. Its great to see you and thank you for doing this. Thanks so much, mika. Time now for final thoughts. Willie geist, i send it to you. First of all, thats a great effort right there. People ought to check out, if they can. Final thought for this morning is Gavin Newsom doesnt just survive, but he wins overwhelmingly by nearly 30 point. It will come down a little from that number. But there was consternation over the summer about this race. It was a question about Mask Mandates, vaccine mandates, covid restrictions, and Gavin Newsom fights and survives to make it to his next election a year from now. Yeah, and the autopsy, the instant autopsy points to a large element of trumpism being a factor in his enormous victory In California and we just heard another aspect of it in terms of welcoming afghan immigrants into the united states. I think its going to be quite a while before we come to settle the enormous, enormous damage that the Trump Administration did to this country in four short years. That does it for us this morning. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. Hi, there. Im Stephanie Ruhle live at Msnbc Headquarters here in new York City. It is wednesday, september 15th. Lets get smarter. This morning were going to start out on the West Coast where the results of the hugely expensive and contentious California Recall are in and it wasnt even close. California democratic Governor Gavin Newsom easily held onto his seat, winning by a nearly two to one margin, with about 70 of the vote now in, the governor is up by more than 2. 5 Million votes. Heres what he had to say after learning he held onto his job. Im humbled and grateful to the millions and millions of californians that exercised their fundamental right to vote and expressed themselves so overwhelmingly by rejecting the division, by rejecting the cynicism, so much of the negativity thats defined our politics in this country over the course of so many years. I want to bring In Californias favorite son, nbcs Jacob Soboroff in sacramento, national correspondent, Steve Kornacki, with the break down, and tim miller, an nbc political analyst. We cannot forget this cost californians, you and your neighbors, a quarter of A Billion dollars, and it was basically a blowout. Are the people there surprised at how things turned out . How do they feel about this Price Tag . Are they awa