Good afternoon from Msnbc World headquarters in new york. Welcome to Alex Witt reports. We begin this hour with new reporting from nbc news. Senate democrats close to an agreement on updating voting Rights Legislation. Three sources telling compromised legislation that can get the support of all 50 democrats could be released tomorrow of tuesday. Weve been talking to quite a few different republicans who are very interested in doing something that makes sense. But an agreement on reconciliation and infrastructure, not so close. Manchin insisting the democrats need to pump the brakes on spending. Need for this, the emergency to do something in the next week is not there. Weve done 5. 4 trillion, george, over the last year and about a year and a half. 5. 4 trillion. A lot of that money is still going out the door. Theres No One going to be left behind for the rest of this year and most of next year. So the urgency, i cant understand why we cant take time to deliberate on this and work. Bernie sanders saying someone has to look out for the middle class. Well, i think maybe the converse is true that maybe Senator Manchin is holding the Reconciliation Bill hostage. Were going down a twotrack approach. Both bills are going together. I happen to think that Joe Manchin is right. Physical infrastructure is terribly important. Look, everybody in america, whether youre republican, democrat or independent, understands that the very richest people in this country and largest corporations have done phenomenally well while the Working Class and middle class struggle. Close to 600 Million people sleeping out on the streets. Several republican governors threatening lawsuits against president Bidens Vaccine mandates for business, but is Surgeon General says many Business Owners have been asking for a mandate. Many businesses have been looking forward to this. The Business Round Table has said this is the right move. The american medical association, certainly on the health side. I think it will help more places do what they want to do, which is make workplaces more safer so people can feel secure coming back to work and we can keep our economy strong. The fbi has released previously dont provide proof that saudi officials were in on the plot. For more, lauren, ali is on Capitol Hill. Lauren, New Reaction from the president and his recent Poll Numbers. Hes remaining positive on his agenda regardless of that recent polling, right . Thats right. The president acknowledging yesterday that his Poll Numbers have taken a bit of a hit over the summer, but he said he would not let that stop him from pursuing his legislative agenda items. Particularly the infrastructure packet. He said no matter what the public thought about him, they support his items. Recent polls show that the president s Approval Rating has dipped below 50 , including an Nbc Poll we had on that just a few weeks ago. That dip really coincided with the rise in the Delta Variant that weve seen in the past few weeks as well as the reinstatement of some covid restrictions around the country. Listen to what the president had to say about it. You know, if you take a look at the polling data, my numbers have dropped, youve seen that my package is overwhelmingly popular. Overwhelmingly popular. And so thats why youre going to see, and i get it. A lot more direct not what im for. Im a big boy. Ive been doing this a long time. I really think that, you know, so far, most people understand thought i couldnt get any of this done. The president also used the 20th Anniversary of the September 11th Attacks Yesterday to call for the nation to come together. He had a message of unity, particularly in the face of another crisis were facing right now, the pandemic. But the fact that he was wearing a Face Mask Yesterday really underscores the challenges he is facing. Republican governors have pushed back on nearly all of his administrations efforts to come combat this virus and as the president looks ahead to the rest of the year when hes going to be focusing on getting more people vaccinated as well as his infrastructure agenda, before we hit the end of the year into a midterm election year, when its notoriously very difficult to get anything done, his quest for unity and his message for the nation to come together is only going to become more and more complicated. Going to become more and more complicated. What else do you know about it . This just in to us. Three democratic aides involved in these negotiations telling my colleague that they are close to a deal on Voting Rights that will keep all 50 democratic senators on board with the legislation. Its a notable shift from where democrats were at even before this August Recess when they couldnt say they had all 50 democrats on board with this. Senator Joe Manchin, for example, was one of the notable people who was saying he did not support that bill as it was written. Instead, hes been key at this negotiating table, crafting what this new legislation would look like. So while this is an important step forward, its not necessarily saying that this legislation is definitely going to pass though because while 50 is an important number for democrats, its not the Magic Number for this on voting Rights Legislation passing. Its actually 60. Where this starts to break down where you get the ten republicans from. Senator manchin was saying this morning hes been working with Senator Murkowski on crafting this legislation. He said theyve been talking to republican senators who want to support a bill that makes sense. At the same time though, even with murkowski on board, if she is ultimately with this legislation, theres questions about who those other nine senators are on this issue that is of key importance. Not just to democrats, but also to the democratic base. Ali, top lawmakers are getting a Security Briefing Tomorrow on this upcoming Justice Rally weve been talking so much about. How big of a concern is this . Look, they are preparing for something that they say could turn violent but theyre trying to learn from the lessons of past here. We know what January 6th looked like. In this case, there are a lot of differences here. Chief among them that there are clear preparations happening. Things like putting that fencing back up beforehand. Also making sure that lawmakers are briefed. Speaker pelosi is going to have a briefing tomorrow. That means leader mccarthy, mcconnell, as well as leader schumer. Thats going to happen tomorrow morning. Theyre going to hear about the Security Measures being planned there. At the same time, other lawmakers including adam kinzinger, he said he expects to be briefed but is also calling out his fellow republicans on what they should be saying on this rally that sympathizes with the insurrectionists. This is why its important that we as republicans, frankly, an as americans, stand up and say we shouldnt be at this point where we are truly worried at the seat of government every few months when theres a protest. I have a lot of faith in our law enforcement. Hopefully well find out more this week. Were talking about the differences on whats going to happen on saturday and whats happened in the past. Perhaps the most important difference is the fact its going to be a saturday when lawmakers and staff are not set to be here. It really changes the Vantage Point and landscape of what the Capitol Complex will look like from the inside that all of those people will not likely be around on saturday when these protesters come and gather here at the capitol. Not just here, but also at about 13 other locations at State Capitals across the country. But Security Protocols underway here preparing so history does not repeat itself. Still a lot of concerns even if they will not be there. Thanks so much. Joining me now, illinois congressman, a democratic member of the House Oversight Intelligence committee as well as the House Sub select committee on the coronavirus crisis. Thank you so much for taking Time Out of your sunday to be with us. I want to talk with you about the September 18th rally in a moment, but first, Id Love your reaction to our reporting that senate democrats are close to an agreement on updated voting Rights Legislation that can get the support of all 50 democrats. What do you want to see in this agreement . Well, im heartened by this news. I think we absolutely need some version of Hr1 Or Hr4 and or both. Hr4 is the John Lewis Vote rights act. But id like to see our significant components of the legislation involved in whatever this compromised agreement is with restoring preclearanced measures for those states who have had a history of suppressing minority voters and others. Id like to see more Campaign Finance disclosures. I authored a provision with regard to encouraging student voting, which is unfortunately too low at too many College Campuses and other places. Im hoping to see that in the final bill as well. Ultimately the compromise bill. Were going to need republican support. Lets talk about the upcoming rally. The Capitol Police Chief briefing congressional Leaders Tomorrow on the September 8th rally. Fencing is going back up around the capitol building. Are these signs of how serious theyre taking this. Im confident theyll be prepared, but im concerned about whats going to happen at this rally. I think three things need to be done at least. They need to be supplemented in terms of having metropolitan police officers and maybe even the d. C. National guard there. There needs to be an overwhelming show of force. Secondly, i think republican leaders, starting with donald trump, must dissuade people from being at this rally. This is their chance to do the right thing now. And then the third thing that i really believe has to happen is that the doj has to hustle and prosecute more people. Hundreds of people have yet to be charged in connection with January 6th. Numerous cases are not going anywhere. Theyre just not unfolding in terms of the prosecution. What that means is a lot of people who participated on January 6th think they got away with it. We in Congress Need to appropriate whatever resources to make that happen. The fbi releasing video of the still unidentified suspect of the person who allegedly planted Pipe Bombs. How do you feel that eight months later, theyre still looking for tips on this . Do you and your colleagues still worry about your safety with something like this out there . This issue is slightly personal. Basically i was informed that the Pipe Bombs were placed about 200 feet from my Office Window when i was there. Oh my goodness. So i think this goes back to my previous comment which is i just dont see the sense of urgency that id like to see among investigators, especially at the doj in getting to the bottom of what happened. Because this, these bombs were not randomly planted. There was a coordinated attempt to basically plant these bombs and divert Capitol Police away from the front where the breach breaches occurred and thats what happened. Now doj has to get to the question of who plotted this particular attack . Who are the Master Minds . Unless and until we get to those people, then we should assume theyre going the strike again. Lets talk about President Bidens new Vaccine Mandates. Republican leaders are already pushing back, calling for protests. Some vowing legal action. Axios is calling it americas civil war of 2021. Do you see these tensions easing anytime soon . I think theyll ease once people see the effectiveness of this mandate. I thought it was a bold move. It was the right move. I think probably privately, a lot of these republican governors and others who publicly have criticized them are privately grateful that he took this measure because it helps to combat the rages covid thats happening in their states and local jurisdictions. Quite frankly, i think this boldness needs to be matched as well in other ways. I think President Biden has to react boldly to a global Vaccination Program. Ive introduced legislation with my colleagues on this. Unless and until we get the rest of the world or the poorest part of the rest of the world the resources they need to get vaccinated, the variants will keep coming here and it will eventually defeat the vaccines that all of us have taken to protect ourselves. So id like to see similar bold measures at the international level now. What do you believe what else do you believe we can do, if anything, to bridge this divide, bring more americans together to fight the coronavirus . Well i think two things that i think americans agree on largely are we have to keep businesses open because the economy has to stay opened. And then secondly, we have to keep schools open. We cannot go back to zoom learning. And so lets start there. How do we keep those two things, and of course, we have to protect everyones health. Lets start with those three principles and if we can agree on that, then weve got to figure out measures to make sure we achieve all three. Im heartened that a lot of companies actually welcomed the president s Vaccine Mandate because in fact, they are practicing that mandate among their employees. I hope that they can influence others and make sure we get behind the president here. Congressman, thank you so much for being with us. 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Surgeon general Telling Nbc Chuck todd they will use every fool they have to fight covid. There has to be a multiprong strategy to address this pandemic. We have been talking about that from the beginning. We know that other Mitigation Efforts like Masking And Distancing are important. We know that testing is a part of the Response Infrastructure and we know that suring up and strengthening our Health Care system so we can take care of those are essential too. Lets bring in dr. Ebony hilton. Lets take a listen to arkansas republican governor from this morning. We have to overcome resistance. This is a very serious deadly virus and were all together in trying to get and increase level of vaccination out in the population. The problem is that im trying to overcome resistance but the president s action in mandate hardens the resistance. Whats your take on the president s mandates. Could this move discourage vaccinations . I think the president is right. We have been all along this pandemic centering those with privilege. Those who are dying are those that have no voice. With those persons that are saying they dont want to be vaccinated, they are not going to change their mind by allowing them to come to a conclusion and if it impacts the life of not only those immunocompromised and our children. We have to decide whether we tell someone or allow them. They are high stress where were running out of hospital beds. 78 of our beds are taken. 81 of our icu beds are taken with one in three being with covid patients. We dont have time to wait. Employees who choose not be be vvaccinated, have to be testd weekly. Do you think it will put out the Bond Fires . Do i think once a week is enough . No. You end up getting symptoms much shorter time frame than we saw with the original covid19. We need to be testing twice a week if not every two days. The thing being is you dont get a second chance with covid. Were starting to see the implications of that of younger and younger people now being infected. Were starting the see were getting report after report of long covid. They may have a physical disability and the needs of Support And Safety net systems that we do not have in place to take care of that large of group of people at once. We really have to get serious about prevention instead of just treatment options. I want to you about the new study from the cdc that found unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from the coronavirus. Do you think a statistic like this will shift some perspectives on vaccines . You would think so, but when we saw our children start to succomb to this process, i thought that would be it. Were okay with that, apparently. Children have made up in the first end of september, kids were 26. 8 of our cases. We know those chirp have seen doubling in their mortality. Kids dies. We know in mississippi, literally in the first five week of schools opening, they had more infections in their children than they did the entire ten months of the School Year before. It hasnt stopped them from not mandating masks or penalizing schools that say we want to put our Childrens Safety first and say, parents, send your kids with mask. They are penalizing those educators. This is what i dont understand. When it comes down to it, this is not political. This is health. We are all depending on the next person beside us to be as healthy as possible and not spread this infection. It may cripple our Vaccination Program in its entirety. This is not something to play politics with and we need to start mandating asap. Lets keep talking about kids and students going back to the classroom. What should schools have in place to make sure that kid, teachers, staff that every one in those buildings is safe . Right. We do these Blanket Statements of masks, vaccine and spread out. Theres a disparity. Theres a racial line that has to be crossed when looking at equity. If youre looking at infection rates, if youre in that low Vaccination Rate your child is four times more likely to be infected with covid19. If were looking at hospitalizations, there were 30,000 hospitalizations of kids in august. We know that the cdc releases study show the kids didnt have enforcement of masks or vaccines, 3. 4 times deadlier for those students. When were going into the school system, we have to think how do we prevent the spread of disease in the first place. How do we approach ventilation. We are supplying those teachers with filters, Hepa Filters within their classroom. With reusing Carbon Dioxide Detection to see if ventilation is appropriate. Are we giving cloth masks or surgical masks and are we mandating vaccines. Are we testing per person and having those available for the parent before the student gets to school. 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That gets refracted in different ways through different ideological lenses. In the 70s, the biggest threat was from the lar left. Today its from antigovernment extremism. To see it in really unifying way is a better way of dpeeting it. The u. S. Spends a lot of time asking why they hate us when it turned out the people who hate us are more likely our neighbors. How did our country get from post 9 11 unity to where we are today . Theres a lot of things that happened oaf the last 20 years what we had was tree blind spots that saw the only threat coming from international and islamic forms of terrorism. Even as we started to see major terrorists incidents in pittsburgh and cristchurch, it wasnt until October 2020 that the department of Homeland Security declared domestic violent extremism and white extremist to be the most lethal and facing threat facing the homeland and three months later we had the attack on the u. S. Capitol. It took a very long time to recognize that in part because of a very real shock and it was hard to see past that to a threat that was sneakily growing up while we werent paying attention. New fencing is going up around the capitol. Police are bracing for more violence next saturday. Do you think members of Extremist Groups will show up for that . What are you expecting . We are hopeful they will not show up. Theres chatter calling on dark spaces online from Extremist Groups saying dont show up because they believe its either some sort of false Flag Operation or they being set up to be arrested. The hope is that theres more chatter about this than well see in reality. Theres no question that the Capitol Police and other authorities have to take this seriously. What else does the Government Need to do to get this threat of domestic terrorism under control . We have to invest much more in earlier prevention and earlier off ramping and treat this like the public Health Crisis that it is. We have people, millions and millions of people who are very susceptible to mass amounts of Misinformation And Propaganda that comes from Extremist Groups and circulates wildly online. If we rely only on the Security Apparatus to catch every plot before it goes out, its just impossible. Its a band aid solution. What we really need is media literacy, serious investments in helping people be resilient in a kind of defensive Democracy Approach to within the mainstream and not just targeting the fringe. Msnbc Opinion Columnist cynthia miller idris, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. New insight into what kelly an conway got so mad at President Biden this week. Y got President Biden this week. Instantly clear Everyday Congestion with Vicks Sinex saline. For fast drug free relief Vicks Sinex. Instantly clear Everyday Congestion. And try Vicks Sinex childrens saline. Safe and gentle relief for childrens noses. Trelegy for copd. 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Why do you think the system needs to be repaired . The way the system works is its a gift to political friends of a president especially as they are going out the door. These are the doors that advise nonbinding advice to places like the john f. Kennedy of performing artarts. All the military Academy Board of visitors have a number of seats that are given to the president to fill. At the end of every administration, you see a situation where people who have been loyal to the outgoing president , the outgoing administration are given Seat Ons the Board But Trump was egregious about giving the spots to people who had no real need to be on the boards. She was on the Air Force Academys Board of visitors. Their board of directors. Shes never been in the Air Force. She had no connection to the Air Force. She was given it as a gift and i think this really highlights the fact that its a system that is basically more about patronism than helping the institutions at this point. You say she was on the Air Force Academy Board and wasnt qualified to be there but what role do Conway Play . Do we know what she was doing on the board . She hasnt had time to do anything on the board because once coming into office, lloyd austin, the Defense Secretary said were going to hit pause on all of these boards especially because of how many of the seats had been filled by Trump Right before he left office. He said were going to pause on these boards and take a look at them. Theres so many of them 37 were going to do a zero review of them to see do we need. He came to the conclusion that no, they should not be on it. Because of that review, none of the boards have met so far this year. Shes the only one fired up about stepping down. Here is what Sean Spicer said. Remember during the inauguration when President Biden said im going to be the president for all people. Where did that go . Pretty much out the window. At a time when the administration is dealing with covid, afghanistan, the effects of hurricane ida, what are trar priorities . They are Prioritizing Flying to california to campaign for Governor Newsom and firing veterans from service academies. I have to get your reaction here. Okay, sean. Sure. I dont agree with i dont think theres much he can do. Hes threatened to take legal action but as another columnist with msnbc has pointed out, the law that gives the president the ability to appoint people to these boards also has nothing that says he cant remove people from the boards before the end of their term. A lot of folks are making a big deal about these are traditionally nonpartisan boards. You stay on the boards. This is very weird situation. Crack pots to a lot of these boards. If youre going to appeal to norms then the fact is that the norm was already broken in their appointment in first place. To that end let me ask you, spicer went onto say what President Biden did was unprecedented. How unusual is it for a sitting president to clean house this way . It is initial. I will give them that. Its not normal. Like i just said, their appointments werent normal many the first place and if were talking about restoring norms, i think that taking them off and putting people in who have connections to either education or the Defense Department in some way. Sean spicer said he was naval reservist. Thank you for your service. I dont think that you being on the u. S. Naval Academys Board will have that much of an impact on their Policy Decisions moving forward in that way that would have been productive. I think that he should be glad to be removed as a distraction from helping the future naval servicemen and women get the education that they need. The White House is saying that some of these trump allies supported the insurrection. More fuel to the fire that they should not be there . Absolutely. I think that the biden administration in taking these actions knew it was unprecedented. They knew it was something that would get the voices of the conways riled up. They did it any way. I support them for that. I do think there does need to be a better process moving forward in terms of who is appointed to the boards to make sure its not just a political gift that will be going to people who are qualified and best able to help the institutions. As it is, thats not the case. Im not heartbroken over this norm being broken in this case. Not heartbroken at all. Thank you so much. Thank you. President biden heading to the West Coast because the California Recall Election could have dangerous consequences for the entire country. Thats next. Ces for the entire country thats next. Try boost® High Protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. Versus 16 grams in ensure High Protein. Boost® High Protein also has key nutrients for immune support. Boost® High Protein. 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The leading republican challenger is California Talk Show host Larry Elder, who has staked out some relatively extreme positions on things like the minimum Wage And Covid restrictions. But that in many ways has given Governor Newsom something to run against. I think there are two good indicators for Governor Newsom. One of them is that the polls are now shifting to his favor. Thats in part because Larry Elder is a gift to him. And the other is that if you look at the ballots that are being returned, democratic turnout has not cratered. Its holding. And thats what he needs to fight off the recall. Here are some of those numbers from the nonpartisan Firm L 2 political which has been looking at countylevel data. They find that democrats in terms of returning Mailin Ballots. Remember, every registered voter in the state got a Mailin Ballot outnumber republicans two to one. Even if all of those nonpreference party Voters Vote in favor of the recall it still wouldnt be enough to make up that gap. Now, there is a fair likelihood that republicans will turn out in larger numbers on election day, tuesday, thats been the sort of trend thats been going on thus far, but they have a lot of ground to make up. Now it turns to Governor Newsom trying to build on that lead and continuing to bring big guns into the state, of Course Led by the president , who will be in California Tomorrow. Allison. Scott, thank you. Afghanistan. A major focus on Capitol Hill this week. The Secretary Of State Antony Blinken testifying before House And Senate committees tackling unquestioned about the u. S. Withdrawal. Last week more americans were evacuated from afghanistan with the taliban allowing some planes to take off from kabul. Nbc Raf Sanchez joins us from qatar. What are the challenges for people still trying to evacuate . Lets break this down. The good news is that americans have been getting out of kabul on those flights. Two flights this week carrying 29 u. S. Citizens, 11 green card holders. Americans have also been getting out on those long, complicated, dangerous Land Crossings. Can the White House is pointing to those flights, Land Crossings as something of an indication that they have secured the Talibans Cooperation and continued to get americans out of country even without u. S. Troops on the grounds. Now the news is less positive for the afghan ally who is served alongside u. S. Forces. So far, no afghans have been able to get on any of these flights either from kabul for Mazar Al Sharif unless they have a passport. I met earlier this week with a man who got on that first flight out of afghanistan. He was holding his 6yearold Daughter by the hand but he was forced to leave his wife behind. Listen to that exchange. My daughter, shes 6 years old. She is 6 years old . Yeah. What is her name . Nabila. Nabila. My wife, shes still in afghanistan. Because she has an afghani passport. They not allow them to come. How do you feel now that your family is split up . When will you see your wife again . Well, there is no choice. No choice. What are we going to do . Allison, he hopes his family will be reunited one day in canada. But right now, he doesnt know how, and he doesnt know when. Allison . Raf, thanks. And thanks to all of you for watching, im Allison Morris in for Alex Witt. Joe fryer takes over in just a moment. He will be looking at how the richest of americans are getting away with not paying 163 Billion in taxes each year and why republicans dont want to help the irs go after tax evaders. One thats been paved and one thats forever wild but freedom means you dont have to choose just one adventure you get both. Introducing the Allnew 3row Jeep grand cherokee l jeep. Theres only one. Is mealtime a struggle . Introducing oreida Potato Pay. 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