Talking about Childhood Safety and what kids are going through and Masking And Safety measures. Have at it. Sure. I am so um disappointed that particular some republican governors have been so cavalier of the health of these kids. So cavalier the health of our communities. This is for real here, this is not a game. Cavalier. Can the president do this . Does he have these legal powers . Its an actual answer, well begin with our breaking News Coverage with our expert. I have a special legal report we have been working on on the mandate coming up in a few minutes on this program. Just legal facts. As for the news which what leaves our show, 75 of our country is vaccinated. The president says something is back by a lot of data and a lot of talk about maga and protests and what people think about the vaccines. A lot of data says it does support big margins. The american people are with him. We have to come together. The vast majority knows it. Its hard but necessary. The polls came out. 68 backing the Vaccine Mandates. Its a much higher margins than other political issues. Iowas mandates could affect hundreds of millions of people in america. Its a big deal. Many scientists have said its precisely because of lagging waits of the nation and a pandemic thats kill thousands everyday. There is a long history to this. Take this quote from George Washington that was going around today, this was a letter we wrote about smallpox that he supports a law to inoculate every child born with a certain limited of time under severe personalities. As we end the long week, i ask america what is more american than George Washington himself. Maybe i will take the question to our experts, i am joined by jason johnson, our Msnbc Contributor and our Katy Kay. Jason, i would not say George Washington was right about everything. I would say science have evolved since then. For at least those who want us to suggest and we have more on this tonight that Joe Biden is crossing some new lines and doing some unamerican, what do you think about a little bit of george to start the evening here and the wider context of whos telling the truth. If you are the age over 25 or 30, if you have been to school, you have to get vaccinated. Joe biden is not over reaching. Joe biden is not pushing anything to the limit. If you can go back to 1905, there are Supreme Court rulings on these kinds of issues. The fallout is hes putting his foot down. He recognized that without a federal mandate and a Vaccine Mandate, coming from the federal government, the only way you can get enough people vaccinated so this country can get out of the pandemic. Yeah, you mentioned carrots caddy, we have enough vaccines to give to bugs bunny. On the policy major there is been a lot of carrots and a lot of sweeteners and tiktok videos and hey, this is fun and this is good and they had it. I want to ask you katy, i want to ask you about leadership and the ability to change Ones Mind because you have studied and been up close with so many Politician And President s, katy. Joe biden publicly did not want to do this. This was not plan a. They hope to get to Herd Immunity without this. As president elect, here is what he said. No, i dont think it should be mandatory, i will use everything in my power to encourage people to do the right thing. Its much closer to mandatory. Katy, walk us through what you see in a president changing his mind during an emergency. I think the second part of that sentence is really important as well. I will do everything in my power to encourage people to get the vaccine. Thats what the White House has done over the course of the last eight months. Two things are happened. They try to get everyone to get vaccines and you have by Western Standards and incredibly high rate of people who did not want to listen to that encouragement or follow the camera. The White House felt maybe there is something to do with Pproval Ratings and the timing. They felt the number of people who were not getting the vaccines is too stubbornly high in this country. The other thing thats happening is the delta variant. The president felt he did not Mandate Vaccines and that was before delta. That was before we saw the surge in hospitalizations and Health Systems in particularly southern states being overwhelmed. The facts changed and the president came out and listen, i hope i would not have to do this but now it has changed. I dont think it would make much sense of people adamantly not going to get the vaccines but that whats happened. Jason, everyone knows things are polarize. I want to be accurate as possible even if its a complex story or less exciting to some. There are republican governors who are provaccines just the Way Biden was yesterday. There is divisions among conservatives around the country. Take a look at some republican governors say its time to get vaccinated. Its time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. Its the unvaccinated folks who are letting us down. If you are not vaccinated, you are part of the problem. How difficult is it to understand . Why in the world do we have to come up with these crazy ideas and theyre crazy ideas that vaccine got something in it and its tracing people where ever they go. In the same people who are saying that are carrying their Cell Phones around. I mean come on. The West Virginia Governor there has had enough. I feel him on the conspiracy theory. I respect peoples personal decisions but i dont respect people in a wealth of information believing things that are flatly false. I think thats unfortunate. Jason, what do you think what some of these republican governors also say . Well, look, i think its great but i dont praise people for engaging in common sense. They should have been saying it all along. Once you empower people, really this when back to last year, ari, once you empower people to say no to common sense, they were going to dig in. You already gave people enough ropes for them to run into the streets with their ridiculous behavior. When we go back to biden, yes, this was a plan a, and b, but now we are Plan Delta and Plan Gu and maybe Plan Gamma going down the road. They have to get more and more strict in the united states and in order to sort of hit an even plain. So its kind of too little and too late for these governors, i hope they take it seriously and mandates and penalties on businesses, other, its easy talk. Katy. This is an economic argument. The united states is being pitied economically. I was interviewing a top economist today, Thank Goodness the biden came out as tough as it did because we were looking at Jobs Number growing and recovery, that circumstance is changing too. It may be something republican governors feel comfortable to talk about. Yeah. And jason, was it not Kendrick Lamar who says i am the vaccine, the game needs me to survive . If the american economy is supposed to survive, we are going to have to be wiser and smarter and follow everything Joe Biden laid out for us as kendrick would of course agreed. Respect. Favorite kendricks song, jason . Whats the one . His Sound Track, all his stuff he did for Black Panther was favorite. The Sound Track was great. There was a lot of good ones on the Black Panther Sound Track and the other one that came out for the movie about the Black Panther that had Nipsey And Jay z. What was it called . I dont remember the name of the movie. Judith and the black messiah. You never know whats going to happen on the beat. Related issues though, same periods of time. The chicago 7 film was also interesting. Jason johnson, katy well have later in the hour for something very special. I want to tell everyone now we turn to what we have been cooking up here. We have a Special Report on the question of the country right now. Does Joe Biden have this Pandemic Power to do this . Does he have the authority, is this is constitutional . The Bottom Line is this fight is not going away. We have the answers. Some of them are very clear from the Supreme Court. Thats my Special Report for you right after this break. Thats my Special Report for you right after this break and new ways for them to reach you. Is what business is all about. Its what the United States Postal Service has always been about. So as your business changes, were changing with it. With ecommerce that runs at the speed of now. Next Day And Twoday shipping nationwide. Same Day Shipping across town. 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The courts upheld these powers over and over and over. Take a case that came up earlier in our broadcast ahead of jacobson. A 15yearold resisting the smallpox Vaccine Mandate. He made it all the way in the Supreme Court in 1904 and lost by a large majority, 72 ruling that yes, a mandate impacts Ones Liberty but the Governor Governor Government have the power to restraint for the common good. Some of this have been selected. Some of it is just not a winning argument in court. In that case the justices reminded americans, real liberty for all could not exist if the injury that may have done to others is disregarded. Not at the cause of contagious mass deaths. That case remains a key precedent for Bidens Power now. 20 years after that case, you need to know this because the people will be debating it this weekend. The Supreme Court upheld the powers of schools to demand vaccines. A reminder that while some claims biden does not have this power, most students going to schools with Mandate Vaccines. The government does not need a huge emergency to Mandate Vaccines. The Court Holding that schools can mandate them against measles even without a confirmed case at that school citing a perceived risk and noting that the government does not need a current epidemic to mandate a vaccine in order to prevent a pandemic. Courts upholding mandates in those less dangerous times. A governor is fighting an epidemic thats going into a worldwide pandemic with 4. 5 million debt. The unvaccinated, 11 time it is likely to die of covid. The government has an interest in keeping them alive and less contagious. There are religious exceptions here. Bidens plan, broader exception because people can go get weekly tests instead of vaccinations. We should note as we think about these issues that these past cases were based on states power. Would the Supreme Court go that far during the middle of this ongoing pandemic . A lot of experts say thats unlikely. We have a recent clue of what this court wants to do. Led by a recent trumps appointed justice, the Supreme Court didnt even hear or led alone stop, attempted challenge to one of these Vaccine Mandates at indiana university. Justice barrett did not have to think long and hard about that one, didnt bring it before the fullcourt, she heard the argument and immediately said no. Indiana university can have a Vaccine Mandate as it does with other vaccines. It can have a mandate. We already know thats what this Supreme Court is and we know what the history is. A country that has dealt with these problems before and faced some of these challenges before but never seen the high courts stepped in and say Government Cant Mandate vaccines. As i said at the hour, it does not mean i am here to tell you this is a perfect idea. If someone else tells you this is definitely unconstitutional or not the american tradition, theyre either lying to you o r dont know what they are talking about. Thats our legal break down, we have a lot more in our program including one of our maga leaders in florida, losing in court. First, i am back in 60 seconds with thousands of new documents come into the Maga Noriety on the way. I will see you in one minute. My credit debt. I needed just one simple way to pay it all off. It was an easy decision to apply with sofi loans, just based on the Interest Rate and how much i would be saving. There was only one that stood out and one that actually made sense and that was sofi personal loans. It felt so freeing. I felt like i was finally out of this neverending trap of interest and payments and debt. This is not a drill. Federal authorities and d. C. Local police trying to make sure there is no repeat of January 6th. One Capitol Hill Police officer breached of what is a Maga March. We have the facts for you. This is eight days away. There is also new report that two days before the last Maga March turned deadly. Law enforcement met with intelligence that may turn violence and becoming a mass casualty event. Meanwhile this House Riot Today says it had thousands of pages of records from those agencies and Social Media including communications between trump and his inner circle. Its important because its another Defeat Or Repute of the republican minority. Meanwhile republicans are seeing their leaders pedalled the lies that led to the insurrection. The only witness at the first hearing repeatedly saying there is nothing wrong in the election where Donald Trump lost. In your investigation, was there any fraudulent found in the votes . Nothing was found. Everything was ran. Squared and up and up and no fraudulent voting. Thats what the report says. Thats what is reported. Thats the state where trump loss. Maga World Cant Deal with that or making Donald Trump feel better about the loss they are continuing this as really a major feature, not only of their politics but of their mass demonstrations because everyone is bracing for the worse and hoping for the best in this potential January 6th salute gatherings, d. C. Authorities preparing. I am joined by someone with experience of investigations and understanding where the law governs elections, federal prosecutor, thank you for being here. Thank you, ari. We see this interplay between propaganda and politics and ultimately what doj says, what do you have your eyes ongoing into what will at least be more highly scrutinized event at the capitol . Well, i hope there is better preparations this time. I think all of us are going to be taking a much closer look at whos going to be leading and what marks this rally and what are they going to be saying to the people involved. People are going to be more careful of what they are insighting folks to do on that day. If not, theyll have enhanced liability. Its one thing on January 6th. You have no idea people are going to take things this hard. After what happened on January 6th, you got to believe that anyone is inciting them to take aggressive action is potentially going to have a charge on their hands later on. Of course the Ajay Trump lost, these reviews are recounting that trump lost. Its a strange way to distract from it as a rhetorical exercise. They also give people the misinformation where there is smoke, there is fire. You know this as a prosecutor when you have an investigation, its improper to imply that someone being investigated that someone did something wrong. You gather the facts and we may not here about some of the Pain Staking Work that prosecutors do. Here we sit in september 2021, still giving oxygen to the big lie. The goal is simply to stoke Distrust And Division and the most exacerbating part of it all is everyone on this panel knows that. We know this and you know this. And yet here we see. I am asking you at the level of whats good for democracy, what do you think of this endless cycle of sham audits. Well, its a problem. There is a reason why ari and criminal contexts, we are careful of announcing an Investigation Post to an election, we saw in 2016 how mere existence of investigation have such an impact of that election. Just the fact of the investigation can be twisted into something thats not. I think thats the purpose here. Of course its going to have the impact. The impact is so distrust in our democracy. If people on either side of the isle believe that their votes does not count and the system is rigged, we all lose. Thats what they are trying to do. Burn the house down essentially. Yeah, the last piece is how they intersect. This is from a conservative but Old School conservative, Kevin Williamson arguing basically this type of Coup Or Attack of democracy is still going. He gives the example of State Legislatures these Audits And Attempt to sabotage the January 6th commission and the talk of overthrowing the government which is what trump and his allies are up to and continue to be up to today. I didnt put it on our newscast. There were certainly some responses online by republican officials. I am not talking about randoms. Do you want to revolt whether you are trying to cause. That seems like what people free speech of a dangerous thing for democracy to start to revert to policy debates to become a question of revolt. People took violently and literally. We didnt grapple as a country of what happened on January 6th. Certainly there is conversation in your program and other outlets. There are republicans and the entire party who are defending lawless thugs attack the capitol. We have not come to grip with that. Here we have a threat in our democracy and we are responding to and we are not acknowledging what happened. Its very dangerous and as you said it gives credence to more calls, either sort of a civil Rights Struggle against the vaccine, similar to struggling against racial Injustice Or Something like that. A revolt or using imagery related to the holocaust which is utterly absurd and offensive. Yeah, all of the talks Last Night and across fox and other places. Thank you as always. Thank you. I have got more news coming up that we have not had a chance to get to yet. This is not about covid, this is about someone who has a lot of covid problems, desantis in florida tried to pick a fight of blm, he lost badly in court. Also, rudy Giulianis Associate pled guilty today. , R Stay with us. Associate itind improves nasal stay with us than the leading Allergy Spray at hour one. [ Deep Inhale ] claritind. Get more airflow. We did it again. 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The killing of george floyd, many of these protests caught americas attention. People watch it on tv or online. They were heartfelt and overwhelmingly peaceful and they were all about listening to demands for reckoning. I cant breathe i cant breathe i cant breathe large crowds and large gatherings then a lot of interesting ideas surfaced. Whether you agree or disagree, the whole point is summon people to gather. As you may recall whether the florida republicans wanted to do is effectively stifle the debate. Many civil rights and Civil Liberty Groups sued, if you are libertarian, you would be against this. The judge says the Laws Attempt to broaden the definition of riot. Desantis is the loser here, that means people who want free speech are the winner, i say that whether they are proor antiblm. I am going to fit in a break, when we come back, news of rudy Giulianis Associate Pleading Guilty for a criminal charge. Stay with us. 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Thanks to both you have for being here. Youre welcome, darling. Youre welcome. Good to have you. Help me with it. Womenomics. You can do it. Im learning as i go. Thats part of journalism and being a person. Were going to go to you first. Your debut on the beat. What is on your Fallback List . On my Fallback List, oh my goodness. Can we talk about whats happening with some of the Health Care with the people that came and helped from 911 victims. There being denied Health Care and i think thats really unfortunate. Sgla i appreciate you bringing that up. This is something we got to headline here and seen this is a rare Cancer Case where they are not getting the Health Care many people feel they were promised. Here we are 20 years later. Such a big issue. Thats an important one. We go through more one topic. Whats on your mind . Its friday. There are a lot of serious things out there that i really wish would go away. We got to have something a little more weird. It comes from britain. Tik tokers making videos, first of all of themselves on Train Track. Thats weird and stupid but now they are making videos of their toddlers on Train Track for tik toks. Who is looking at this stuff . That has to stop. Dumb and dangerous and not fair to the train driver. Yeah. Its almost sounds like something out of a Black Mirror episode. It goes to the line between Attention And Clout which a lot of people are seeking. Working with social and then having some sort of line of saying, obviously you cant endanger people to get clicks. Yeah, people are definitely huge clout chasers. The fact they would, you know, put a toddler at risk is absurd for a click. Yeah. Absolutely, wild. I had not seen much about that story until today. What else is on your list and im curious, you do more than one thing in your field but in politics, we have been talking a lot about the texas Governor Abbott. You know, whats going on in texas . Thats all i need to know. Texas lately has just been a little crunk with their new rules theyre trying to come up with. They will try to tell a woman with the abortion and now they just dont want to follow the rules. I just dont get it. I really dont why they think they can make up their own rules about things and how they want to live in the united states of america. Come on, texas. Yall got to wake up and keep going forward. We cannot go backwards. Yeah, i they say a lot of communication is nonverbal. I hope every one saw vivicas face. The opening facial reaction also speaks volumes. I guess its fine to point out hypocrisy. People are used to it. At Times Republicans in texas are making prochoice argument against the vaccine. Liberty, your body. It dont seem to apply to women. Yeah. The whole Vaccine Thing at the moment is so hypocrite cal. Theres small number of people that really do seem to believe in vaccines for a very long time and have concerns about it. They are worried about what the long term impact is. Then, there are a whole bunch of people and it feels like to me youre pointing this out in texas with Governor Abbot who are just using this. They will use this for political gain. It has nothing to do with whether they believe in vaccines. Fox news hosts who are raving against vaccines and allowing their network to rail against vaccines on programs and are getting vaccinated themselves and even President Trump who got vaccinated. People are dying. Its incredibly dangerous in this instance. Exactly. I think thats why the tension, you can call that the attention of people not living by what they say they stand for. We got to keep talking and learning. I want to thank Vivica Fox. Shout out to the podcast and hustling. That does it for me here. I wish every one a great weekend. Well see you back here monday. Dont go anywhere. Say hi to Vivica Fox for me. Tell her im a fan. Have i just embarrassed myself on national tv . Hi, vivica. But i mean it. When we get through all the covid, next time well bring you over. Youll be one studio over and get get some Quality Hustle time. Thats a deal. I accept. Have a great weekend. Appreciate you. Good evening. We begin tonight with a sigh of relief followed by a right wing meltdown. The President Biden has announced far reaching new federal requirements to compel the millions of Unvaccinated Americans to get their shot, if youre like me, chances are you and those in your circle thought, finally. We finally dont have to worry about the unvaccinated bow guarding our spaces and