Join me live. Then can lawmakers facing scrutiny over the Capitol Attack threatened a way out of an investigation . These Telecommunication Companies if they go along with this they will be Shut Down and that is a promise. And Breaking News from the American Medical Association regarding doctors giving De Warming medicine to covid patient, my interview with the head of the ema. All in starts right now. Good evening from New York, im chris hayes. As of today, roe v. Wade is functionally dead, in the state of texas, third largest State In, second largest state. The right to an abortion as recognized by the Supreme Court in 1973 with decades of precedent, reviewed and reviewed over and over, decades of jurisprudence, that right is effectively gone in the second most populous State In our union. It did not come with some reason pronounced meant from as decisions usually do, instead, it came with just total absence, silence as the court failed to rule on a request to block the new law passed by texas republicans, and signed by Governor Greg Abbott. The law went into effect today, banning all abortions after about six weeks of pregnancy. It also, and this is key, allows private citizens to sue Abortion Providers and anyone who helps a woman obtain an abortion, including those who give a woman a ride to a clinic or provide financial assistance in obtaining an abortion. Now, the law is obviously unconstitutional under the courts current jurisprudence, it goes against all the Supreme Court precedents. That precedent prohibits states from banning abortion before 2023 weeks. You dont need a Law Degree to see that, you dont have to be some fancy pedigree the supreme Court Clerk to see that. The standard thing for the court to do when a law is unconstitutional is to prohibited from being enforced pending appeals and arguments. For instance, just a Thought Experiment here, if say the state of New York passed a law saying No One can carry of weapon of any kind inside their home, and other people can sue you if you do, the Supreme Court would enjoy that before it ever went into practice, believe you me. But in this case, with the radical texas abortion law, they have not. It went into effect in midnight, in the dead of night, it has been nearly 20 hours and so far, silence from the court. We dont know where theyre thinking, what theyre doing, thats all we got. And believe you me, this Signal Something ominous about Abortion Rights, womens rights in this country. That landmark cases in the crossing here, mississippi has a law on the books banning most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The state is explicitly petition the Supreme Court to uphold those restrictions and to overturn roe v. Wade. The court is sick specter to hear arguments this fall, even granting and of course the court has a 60 conservative majority. Thanks to three trump appointees, and thanks to the multi Decade Project of a Semi Partnership between the Anti Abortion movement, conservative legal elites in legal america. You have to remember how all of this went down, Anti Abortion Forces, they saw how several previous republican Supreme Court nominees turned out. They all, essentially, upholDing Abortion laws in this country, particularly in the cases where they mattered most, when they had the chance to get rid of row. The Anti Abortion Forces in this country undertook an effort after that to make sure that no republican president would ever, ever nominate a Squishy On Abortion again. No suitors, no kennedys no oconnors. Along with their partners on the right, they put into place a extreme vetting process, they cultivated Anti Abortion legal minds, mentored them, people who Would Hue to jurisprudence on the main issue, that they cared about in this grand coalition, Abortion Rights, there were other issues to, but thats The One they were focused on. This network that grew up, its a real thing they elevated them to the legal society, it was all done with the explicit extent of putting them on the court to get rid of abortion. This has been crystal clear for a very long time. What is so maddening and rage inducing is that they lied about it every step of the way, because they have to lie. Because scrapping roe v. Wade is an unpopular position, 54 of americans believe that abortion should be legal. Believe me, Abortion Polling is all over the place, but that result is consistent over time, and show the day the Justice Scalia died, suddenly, in february 2016, dan said Majority Mitch Mcconnell announced an unprecedented blockade of any nominee to fill his seat, never been done before. And of course the sitting duly elected sitting President Barack Obama had a year left in office, mcconnell refused to hear a hearing for Obamas Nominee Merrick garland. In the next year after Donald Trump wins with 3 Million fewer votes, thanks to the electoral college, he appoints gorsuch, and ones of thirst think that he does is blow up the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees which was still in place. Done, he cleared the way for Gorsuch Who clear the seat that shouldve been garlands. Then the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh, and then to top it off of Amy Coney Barrett. You may remember the infamous Covid Superspreader Event at the White House marking her nomination just days after ruth bader ginsburgs death, before she was even buried. Now, there are a lot of motivations for this, obsession the, key one The One that really mobilizes, much of what was organized was to get rid of abortion, and when you just confront them, when you say the obvious thing, i know what you believe in, they just fly. Abortion rights, no, nothing to see here. I think the likelihood of roe v. Wade being overturned is very in minimal, i dont see that happening. This is not a referendum on roe v. Wade. I do not believe that Brett Kavanaugh will overturn. I would never produce how judge Amy Coney Barrett would rule on the Supreme Court of the united states. The point is that the president also is opposed to roe v. Wade, that is on the ballot as well. You dont know its on the ballot . Why is it on the ballot . Because you say its not on the ballot . You dont know her view on roe v. Wade. I dont know her view. Donald trump, understanding that he doesnt want roe v. Wade on the ballot, you dont know, although remember that he pledged he would appoint justices opposed roe v. Wade. Okay, the conservative core under chief justice, according to polling, liberals think highly, of which i find mindblowing, that court has had a few main projects, one of them protecting corporations from Government Regulations and that may mean rolling back the jurisprudence around that free new deal era, theyve been very invested on rolling back voting rights, Laser Focused on that, and making abortion more difficult. They have been Laser Focus on that agenda from the beginning. Do not believe anyone who tells you that is not what theyre doing, they are either idiots or lying to you. Now we have arrived at this moment at which the wolf is at the door. I mean, if you dont like Abortion Rights, its not the wolf its the present youve been praying for. All of the people who warned about this court, they were right, and the people said dont worry, were wrong, Catastrophic Lee so. So the remaining question is how the majority of this country which supports a baseline of Abortion Rights will mobilize in response to this incredibly cowardly court and its actions or in this case its lack thereof. I want to bring into people who have been closely tracking the Supreme Court on reproduction issues. Her latest piece is titled the Supreme Courts Stealth Attack on Abortion And Melissa murray, Professor Of Constitutional Law at New York university, she clerk for Justice Sonia Sotomayor in a, she now cohost the strict Scrutiny Podcast along with full disclosure my wife kate jones. I want to start on this Aspect Melissa with you, and then the Texas Law after. Melissa, Last Night a lot of people thought there is an emergency application, the law is going to go into effect in midnight, it clearly violates current Supreme Court precedents, theyre gonna see something right, theres gonna be in order, woke up this morning and still no order and then the editorial meeting i said, theyre gonna have an order by the time we launch the show at eight, still new order. Whats going on . Chris, ill just note that we were in the same place last week when we are talking about the Remaininmexico Policy where the court seemed to move with a fair amount of alacrity to resolve that particular issue, which came on a socket of emergency appeals, really interesting that it seems to have Move Add a leisurely pace and addressing this issue, again, it was a procedural Issue But One that allowed a law that is patently unconstitutional to go into effect in texas, at this rate is visceral Ding Abortion rights, with a serious population, persons of reproductive age. This is a consequential decision and the Supreme Court silent on this issue really spoke volume. So lets talk about the law for a second, irin, one of the devious ways in which it was designed is this private enforcement provision, which is really creepy and dystopian, maybe you can talk a little bit about it in that we can talk about how that was designed to bring us to this point which is that theres No One to enjoy it because its your neighbor with the binoculars next Door Spying on you whether you got an abortion . Yeah, chris, its a Catch 22 because if the law doesnt go into effect, nobody can say they were affected by it, No One can write a lawsuit, thats how it was designed, not only the neighbor with the binoculars as there, there is a financial incentive for individuals to report violations of this bill, what is this law its a Sixweek Ban on abortion, most people dont even know that theyre pregnant at this point, you know that is actually two weeks into pregnancy, a common way the doctors while individuals who have pinned to know that theyre pregnant and needed an abortion to six weeks still can get an abortion in texas, the rest of texans woke up today with not only fewer rights, and not only the right of their neighbors to spy on them for a bounty, a literal bounty placed on their uterus, so to speak, but the Supreme Court didnt even bother to do any urgency, did not explain anything about it, and i have to say that ive been covering the snow for a long time and i find it shocking, because they not to descend turning on a dime. So something off else is going on, im not sure if its an attempted negotiation or what. But they had several days to contemplate a law that if you mentioned into a previous iteration of court would be laughed out, it was cast when trump released a list of justices that were going to overturn roe v. Wade, and now every texan is empowered to spy on people who could be pregnant to see if they violate this law, the dystopia is here. I just want to go through the provisions here, part of this devious this year is that the state is enforcing, it nothing is being done. But you have for years to bring a case, private citizens can enforce a bill, there is a Bounty On Sniffing out an abortion, and if the defendant winds, if your case was wrong, theyre not allowed attorneys fees. They have to pay to defend themselves either way, obviously the asymmetry is there, and melissa, just to put a fine point on this, my understanding of the way this law is drafted is that if a woman in texas has a Miscarriage Someone with a vendetta against or, an exboyfriend, for instance, could sue under this law claiming and illegal abortion, and then she would have to go to court to defend herself, if she wins she is out the money of that, and if she loses she would then pay that person 10,000 . So the Law Targets Providers and those who aid and abet providers and women are pregnant person not the moment, yes. Shes off the table. The law has a couple of different purposes. One is obviously to isolate the pregnant person from any networks of support. To make providers fear the prospect of actually performing these procedures for their patients. Not only is there the repercussions of actually being sued, and possibly having to pay not only the Lawyers Fee for the opponent but some particular fine, any doctor who in the state of texas is subject to a lawsuit has to say that. So there is a lot of different impacts here, and all of this is meant to deter what is a constitutional right, currently recognized as a constitutional right, and to sow confusion in texas about what the state of the law is and what is permissible. Go ahead. The providers in texas are already fighting against so much, so the fact that with the law in place they are afraid to even attempt to provide abortions here that within bring forward this kind of lawsuit, because they simply cannot afford 10,000 for every abortion, for every action, every person involved the, funds in texas are stretch trying to get people to get to their abortions. This is in effect a way to Shut Down the process entirely and create a disincentive. The attorneys for the clinics dont accept that they can sue Government Officials on this, they are arguing in front of the Supreme Court. Government officials do have a role here, the Supreme Court can stop it but if texas prevails than they will in fact have successfully erected the strap. I should just, note to reiterate what you both, said women are actually cut out of the whole thing. As sort of moral agents in the whole thing, so its consistent with the rhetoric from the antiabortion crowd, but entirely to me, indefensible philosophically because theres agents who control their own bodies and theyre not subject to this whole thing another bizarre sort of devious aspects of the law thank you so much. Now i want to turn to the Justice Correspondent of the nation, offer of allow me to to tort, a black Eyes Guide to the constitution. And dahlia, the senior Editor And Correspondent for, slate her latest piece is titled, to real ways to answer and texas abortion law. Lets start with that dalia, in terms of whats the response here is, and should be, and this is a mystery with the court is doing because they said nothing, what does this mean about the Roberts Court to you, i think the single most important thing we should be talking about, right now and you afflicted it in your intro, i think its worth really pressing on, it this is happening on the shadow docket, this socalled emergency docket, where until very recently, only emergencies lived, suddenly in the age of covid, in the age of voting, rates in the age of the death penalty, and perform presumably the age of unconstitutional abortion restrictions, everything is happening on the shadow docket, its happening on an briefed on argued cases, we have no idea whether The Core is going to as you said before, even issue an order, it could be a two sentence order. There could be dissents. We actually dont know what we are waiting for at this point. We are waiting for a thing, that is going to happen in the middle of the night, in a case that is not even about abortion, its about whether the court can hear the case about abortion. The level of secrecy speaks volumes, where theyre John Robins Court is right now, as to where the court has been historically. This is so important, its been a hard thing ive been struggled a little bit to explain on cable news. I only sort of feel passionately about it because of my, that im adjacent to kate, who knows this stuff inside out. Otherwise i think i would just be like oh shut up docket, but theres really star chamber fives here, The Core, when we think a big cases, you file briefs and everyone can read the briefs and Theres Amethyst briefs and you can read those briefs and Theres Whirl arguments that we can listen to and theres written opinions and they have citations, they have reasoning, they respond to each other. Theres a holding. All of that is what it turns on when you go back and read a case in england it was written down, with reasons. Like writing things down with reasons arwa the law in our traditionally, and now we have law, without writing, and without reasons, and thats really perverse. Because the conservative Supreme Court is like whos gonna check me . Look, we can talk till the day is long, about the rip across of republicans but at The End of the day republicans promised to do this. They promised to do this Donald Trump problems to nominate antiabortion judges Josh Hawley promised to do this, where the democrats . Where the democrats stopping them, because this was not a surprise. The particular case, the similarities, sure, but where were they going in the destruction of a womans right to choose has always been the goal. If you want something the democrats can do, i will tell you what the democrats can do, Joe Biden Issue an executive Order Establishing of Privacy Commission that will Federal Officials, to go down to texas, under armed guard if necessary, to provide and protect constitutional, rights that have been stripped away by texas, that core of the Texas Law that only private citizens can enforce a by suing. Well guess what, Federal Officials qualified immunity. Our dnc that one coming did you. Federal officials will be underqualified Amina T and thus protected from this very law. If Joe Biden would but out. And if people at home are thinking, oh that sounds to supreme. You can always extend the court. Thats there too. But Joe Manchin is too powerful, look, i do not care anymore what the excuses are. Inaction is not an option. Failure is not an option. Joe biden took an oath, to defend the constitution, from all, enemies foreign and texan. And it is time that he does. It now, tonight, todays, this weekend, now. I think, the problem here, which are pointing to right, theres unique procedural maximalism, or legal maximalism. You expand the, court you announced oh, tonight im announcing three new Supreme Court nominees. You could do that. Or you could do any number of things, but there is a political problem again here. And this is, one again im speaking to you. People watching this television program, if you look at the polling, its like liberals approved more than the republicans, do there is an idea that you cant get that bad. In the rule of law, and theyre the guardrails, and i think roberts is very daft about cultivating that, i think the stuff i did in The End election. Just like the legitimacy of the court and public opinion. And it doesnt actually matter in a technical sense. No, youve identified the problem, the problem is that both republicans and democrats, are colluding to tell a story about a very narrow humble, minimalist support, we love the redemption story. Think of how many stories youve heard at The End of the term about how surprisingly moderate the court, was and how it doesnt matter for whats left of the voting rights act, what really matters is that we keep telling the story, over and over again. About this moderate court, an amazing equally burying, Brett Kavanaugh, theyre super centrist. And if you tell that story often enough, you get results. We are 51 of democrats think the court is its centrist core. In order to do the things that they are describing, all that which need to be done yesterday. You need to get out of this, story about a moderate centrist court. We elie in dalia, I Cant wait to read the new book. Im very much looking forward to that. Great to have you both. Thank you very much. Thanks chris. No one is done more to stop congress from investigating the events of January 6th and Kevin Mccarthy. First by undermining his own proposal for a 9 11 Style Inquiry into their temporary, and then by attempting to stack the committee with material witnesses. And now, as that committee takes investigatory steps toward finding the truth, Kevin Mccarthy is melting down with wild threats, tonight the Big Question Is will he get away with it . Thats next. Thats next. Thats next. You know how some carriers give you so little for your old or busted phone, you just end up living with it . I dont think so. Verizon lets you trade in your broken phone for a shiny new one. You break it. We upgrade it. You dunk it . Crash it . Yikes. Doggy boneit . Haha slam it, wham it, Strawberry Jamit . We upgrade it every customer. Current, new or business. Up to 800 for the 5g Phone you want. Because everyone deserves better. Put my phone in the washer. And the dryer. In business, its never just another day. 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The bipartisan select committee told 35 private Tech Companies including apple, facebook and major Cell Phone carriers to preserve Phone Records that could be relevant to its investigation, the Response Kevin will carve the issued a transparent threat to punish those same companies warning quote, a republican majority will not forget and so we are left with a scenario in which republicans dont want to argue the merits of the case, they brushed them aside, a strong instead throwing out the pretense of reasonable Discourse Or Debate about the law in favor of just sheer intimidation politics. Ian bassin, hes the Cofounder And Executive director of the Nonprofit Protect Democracy which is working to combat the Country Slide towards authoritarianism and he joins me now. Ian, i have to say, even by the standards of our era i was pretty shocked by that threat that just explicit threat in that Kevin Mccarthy statement. Theres a lot of folks saying that that itself should trigger some ethics investigation. That it itself violates certain codes of conduct. What was your reaction . I think its worse than an ethics violation. What mccarthy did is what ive been calling autocratic capture which is when the actors use Government Powers to bully private businesses into being their political allies, or in this case their political lackeys. Its something a regime didnt egypt, its onetimer putin doesnt russia, its not a dynamic that any american ceos should want to take hold here, and if they give into this behavior it wont be good. I think that what we should be talking about is forming a Nato Article five like neutral Defense Pact that if autocratic politicians are gonna come after one of them theyre gonna come after all of them, let mccarthy take on the entire private sector. Yeah, it is interesting because the private sector largely construed, the major elements of it are hugely lobbying against the biden reconciliation proposal, they have been very aligned with mitch mcconnell, the denver aligned with the Republican Party in many respects, they here is, Marjorie Taylor Greene who was on Tucker Carlson Last Night and goes even further, i mean Mccarthy Carlson and Taylor Greene are the same on this, theyre indistinguishable, here she is saying that she will shut them down, this is her. Take a listen. These Telecommunication Companies, if they go along with this they will be Shut Down, and that is a promise. Good, i hope theyre afraid of you, they should be. There are very shortsighted, they think democrats will rule forever, but they should be afraid to rule into partisan politics like this. Again, those two, two sides of the same coin there. But the explicitness here in the comfort in which people feel comfortable in offering it to me is unnerving. Yeah, and i think it actually sends a different message than they intend, because ceos are faced with the choice, they can have a future in which they take direction from Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Kevin Mccarthy, or they can have a future in which they take direction from markets and customers, and their Bottom Line. I think for a long time the ceos have tried to stay on the sidelines, they donate to both sides, they tried to stay above what they consider the politician they can stay above that brain no longer, and they need to double down on the rule of law, democracy, if they want to actually operate in a free society in the future, because if they try to avoid what they think of as the partisan freight, is going to come to find it at a time of its choose in. If you think this sort of chalk sure is a liberal democracy are remote to your Bottom Line interest, you will be disabused of that at that point ian bassin, thank you so much for your time tonight. Thank you, chris. Nice night on this program we asked why doctor groups arent doing more to police their own when it comes to physicians advocating, prescribing Unfounded Covid treatments like for instance ivermectin. The American Medical Association is answering that question was strict new guidance, and the president of the ema joins me exclusively to explain next. Explain next hey, i just got a text from my sister. You remember rick, her neighbor . Sure, hes the 76yearold Guy who still runs marathons, right . Sadly, not anymore. Wow. So sudden. Um, were not about to have the we need Life Insurance Conversation again, are we . No, were having the were getting coverage so we dont have to worry about it conversation. So youre calling about the 9. 95 a Month Plan from Colonial Penn . I am. We put it off long enough. We are getting that 9. 95 plan, today. jonathan is it time for you to call about the 9. 95 plan . Im jonathan from Colonial Penn life Insurance Company. 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As we pointed out Last Night the Barnes Firm Injury Attorneys call one eight hundred, Eight Million there are doctors out there currently prescribing a Deworming Medication to covid patients. There are nearly 90,000 prescriptions a week for ivermectin, from Retail Pharmacies by the middle of last month. Its exploding as the Delta Variant spreads. Thats even though the fda says theres no evidence that is effective at treating covid. Last night we asked why professional medical groups werent doing more to police their members who are pushing the drug and denied the largest medical association in the country the American Medical Association, along with the american pharmacist, the american society of Health System pharmacists, just issued a new Statement Calling for quote an immediate end to prescribing and use of ivermectin to prevent or treat covid19 outside of clinical trials, Doctor Herman great to have you on tonight. Why is the guidance youre Issuing Tonight and why did it come about . Chris thanks for having me, you already identified our joint statement with the pharmacist association, were asking we see subscribing Ever Megaton For Treatment of covid19. We allow in a clinical trial, but we do not want it outside of an established chemical trial, we can understand why folks are grasping at things, these Novel Trade in the middle of a pandemic. For which theres not a whole lot of establish effective treatments,. Doctors should be cautious hidden feel. Provide something for patients, lets stay within clinical guidelines. , and give safe affective medications this is not one to be shown effective for the covid19. Virus the argument that i have seen from doctors that are doing this. And i think i dont know what peoples intentions are you think some are genuine. Some are trying to help. We prescribe it all the time we are The Ones out here in the. Field and you bureaucrats and professional associations dont we are talking about we do see that, and again i can understand the seal my patients are calling the even this week in the past weeks, theyre asking me to do things such as prescribe different drugs, when there are diagnosed with covid. I talk to them and say right now the safest thing for you to do is take the current approved courses and thats to monitor yourself if you require more treatment, there are well proved treatments by the fda, the cdc, the nih, that includes things such as monoclonal antibodies, if you have to be hospitalized will give you higher floor oxygen, will even give you steroids. There are other treatments that we can use that are very well established that have safe parameters, the ivermectin youre describing, its a dewarming medicine, its approved in very low Doses Fervor establish indications. Whats available now apparently as the internet, is an Overdose Person passengers interactions with medications like a blood thinner, its not to be used willynilly as it were. What we need to do is stick with the science. If you take an overdose of ivermectin or, higher than expected those, you can get seizures, you can go to a coma, death, there is serious effects. If we stick to the recommended science, we have a much broader opportunity to take care for patients. If were gonna be using this, i asked physicians, if youre gonna use it its illegal to prescribe, and if youre gonna prescribe a try to get it in a clinical trial, monitor the patients, the outcomes. The clinical trial, we should note has been a grounds, theres been a doctor in houston that says that he has used it since the start of the pandemic. Doctors are encountering these demands for this. I understand the desperation of people, but one thing there are two things here, i am reminded of the Hydroxychloroquine Bloom may or go, and again there were some prints that showed that it might be effective, you know, we basically ran the data and it turned out not really that effective. It seems to me that its an obvious point, but you cant do medicine via anecdote is when it comes down to. You cant, and you cant do it by poor directed affective authority. The ema and all doctors should be very discomforted by the fact that the judge feels like they can order and nonclinical use of a non approved medication for a patient, that is way beyond, thats a stretch, thats an egregious reach of the courtroom, were not happy at all about that. Were asking patients to trust their doctors, were asking the doctors to step up and do the responsible thing, follow ethics, and follow us establish guidelines and do the right, safest thing they can for their patients and stay on the side of science here. All right doctor Gerald Harmon from the American Medical Association, i really appreciate you taking time with us. Thank you very much, chris, its an honor and not just in the midst of the heavy load of covid patients, i get asked a lot about these treatments, and i do follow the science and try to avoid the Fact Pollution that we see sometimes. Thank you. Thank you, doctor, up next the republican agenda that is right now frankly killing its own voters. The staggering fatality rates and counties that voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump right after this break. Is break theres been a lot of anecdotal evidence and just the evidence of maps, if you look at the beginning of this late it dealt a wave of covid, that its falling most heavily on republican areas, and republican voters. Look at this map of the outbreak. You can see how much worse it is in states across the south, states where Donald Trump won. If Concrete Data puts a fine point on how much this has become a pandemic of republican areas, Christopher Ingraham is a ford or it currently writes a newsletter about the Data Shaping and forming our lives. Yesterday he published this piece, titled Gop Covid Policy is killing gop voters. First let me say for different reasons, including how they report, data the chart does not include nebraska, Florida Or Alaska with any counties fewer than 10,000 people. Because that data can get very noisy. But it does account for about 87 of the total u. S. Population. Ingram found this in july 1st, when the last we began, and counties where trump got less than 20 of the 2020 president ial vote, On Average theres been fewer than five covid deaths for every 100,000 people, in counties where trump won more of the vote but still lost, that number only takes up a little. Deep blue and fairly blue areas. As you get to counties where trump won a higher percentage of votes, the Death Toll also just gets higher. And higher. Finally, in counties where nearly everyone voted for trump, there were nearly, 15 covid deaths, for every 100,000 people, thats more than three times as many people dying from, covid as in those most pro biden counties. That chart brought me up short. It gives some empirical weights of the evidence weve, seen for months and months and months, that the Delta Wave is wreaking havoc, disproportionately and read america. Again, this is largely, not entirely, but largely preventable. Its happening because the agenda of the Trump Mob that Republican Party, has been by enlarged to ignore the risk of covid. Refused to protect yourself, others from it and when people die it was for freedom. Theres been really notable exceptions, we praise them on their, show the governor of, vermont governor of ohio, republican officials, up and down the chain. But that general thrust of attitude, has been the defining one, in the heart of the republican base. Its one of the last four things the Republican Party stands for now, well talk about the other three next. Talk about the other three next about the other three next and our customers rated us 1 for Network Quality in america according to j. D. Power. Number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. Most awarded for Network Quality, 27 times in a row. Proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon. Thats why were building 5g right, thats why theres only one best network. As far as i can tell, at this finally yasso a ridiculously creamy, crunchy, chocolatey dipped Ice Cream Experience with 25 less calories because its made with greek yogurt. So, thanks for everything ice cream, but well take it from here. Yasso audaciously delicious point, there are basically four positions a modern republican public party. Holds positions they truly believe in. They firmly believe that covid is nothing the government should actively be trying to fight, again with some very notable exceptions, the dominant rhetoric from republicans, closest to the heart of the partys been to just let it be. Get out of the way. What happens happens. The second belief is that there should be no restrictions on gun ownership, all whatsoever, all should be illegal, No One should be banned from having one. The third is what they dishonestly collection security. They believe that we republicans can and should do whatever possible to change the basic rule of democracy to stop democrats now our enemies from winning elections. The final position is what were seeing play out in texas right, now a ban on abortions, opposition to abortion. A bill Governor Greg Abbott just signed. That is, it those are the four pillars of the modern Republican Party. They are whats driving the agenda. There is no coherent vision as far as i can tell in any other matter outside of those four positions. Who left the Republican Party, in 2018. Also an msnbc political analyst. Mona is a syndicated columnist. She fouls the editor and his podcast. They both join me now. When we start with you. An abortion. Because to me its The One through line here. And i think its really essential to the whole development. This is The One consistent hallmark of modern conservatism, position wise, in terms of focus and concentration. Basically since the last 20 or 30 years, all the way back to reagan were really intensified. It appears to be on the verge of success. Yes. Its funny because, you hear people on the right, now using the language that they used to mock on the left. Mainly my body my choice. Theyve adopted that argument when it comes to taking vaccines. They dont see the inconsistency, but it violates the view that they took an abortion, but never mind. Yes, they are now achieving something, that a part of their base wants very badly. And we will see whether it turns out to be successful for them. The Republican Party traditionally, has had a very strong pro life position, but not everybody in the party, was actually hoping to see roe v. Wade overturned. It will be interesting to see how that plays out for them politically. I think this is a very important point. Which is some ways politically the best of both worlds for them, is to have a very animated movement, advocating working in the states to limit. And they have both those things, so you are not the dog that caught the car, and when your daughter comes back from Freshman Year of college. You know maybe something. That kind of thing. So theres a lot of that personal hypocrisy. But the other thing to me, is on this Election Security thing, its not even an issue, its not an issue. But i have noted that that is now an issue if you go on youtube and you watch republican candidates, in 2022, that is one of the three or four bullet points, its Election Security. Kristie have to think like a republican. For just a moment. Republicans dont care about your public. Help they dont actually care about election integrity. They dont actually care about the abortion issue. Would they care about is winning elections. And what they know is that to win elections, you have to focus on issues that we consider high intensity, low information. Elections are not going to be decided over the nuances of our policy and afghanistan, Fuel Standards for vehicles. They are decided on these high intensity low Information Wedge issues. On abortion, republicans dont want you to have access to. Them and guns republicans want you to have, it will tell you democrats want to take it away. And covid, republicans are for freedom, and elections republicans dont want black and brown people voting, because it hurts republicans chances to win. Thats it. Thats all theyre selling. And the thread that keeps all that together, is the demonization of the. Left in the democrats of the evil actors that are going to disrupt those wedge issues for you. But heres whats so fascinating to. Me is to meet the total retreat from political economy. The total retreat. You look at these ads, and theyll be and not about socialism, i saw Rick Scott try to get up and try to demagogue an inflation, i thought thats a sort of like endearingly Old School normal politics. The cost of milk is, up and too much government money. I thought yeah thats fine you can make that argument. Thats in the boundaries of normal politics right . Theres no traction there, nothing, you can see that it does, nothing you can see that thats not with the based cares about. Anything having to do with the broad spectrum, of the state, and the market, and all this stuff that used to make up, nothing, zero. Nothing. That used to be the entire ball, game was arguments about the proper role of government. And should this to be done at the federal level. Or perhaps would be better at the state. Thats all gone now. Its now all about fermenting grievance, and the sense of vic defines a shun. Usually on the part of people who live in cities and look down on people like you. Thats what they get told. Theyre trying to replace, you theyre trying to bring in dark skinned immigrants, who have scary beliefs, thats the sort of thing that gets traction with the, base in they are all about clicks, and money, and, pleasing their audience remember when trump got booed at his very own rally. For departing from the base, could he quickly scurried, back he said okay you dont have to take the vaccine. They are in charge, the bases in charge. Quickly, the tail is wagging the dog here. On some of this stuff. On the Covid Stuff particularly. Which i dont think Corporate America is supporting republicans wants another round of mass deaths. Of covid. Because people dont get vaccinated. This is very much one of those chapters you see at The End of the Mccain Palin race, and frankly your colleague Nicole Wallace remember this very vividly. When mccain and others realized, oh, look what we created, this is now sarah palins party, its not John Mccains party, this is a different party than todays republican leaders know what theyve got. David jolly, mona, good evening, chris. Thank you, my friend. Much appreciated. Thanks for joining us this hour. 1973. Thats when the united states Supreme Court guaranteed Abortion Rights nationwide. That, of course, is the Landmark Roe versus wade decision. That law blocked states, any State In the country, from banning abortion. It said american women have a right under the united States Constitution to get an abortion if they want one. And that right cant be infringed even if politicians in individual states feel differently. After that ruling in 1973, the very first Abortion Clinic to open its doors in the great state of texas was a clinic in