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You saw them on screen together and we turn to her live, formal Prosecutor Joy Vance is here, we appreciate you jump in. We added you in here. It shows that this probe continues with the Grand Jury at work. What does it mean . The important part of grand Jury Practice is once you are indicted with the prosecutors, you are done using with the Grand Jury. Sy vance is looking into other defendants. Thats the big take away here. They are continuing it and looks like to move up the chain to see if they can get to the people, the most criminally responsible for this conduct. If they have that bigger fish, calamari no puntended. If he testified before the Grand Jury, is he not up to be charged for the things hes charged about . What does it tell you looking at that Origin Chart . Well, you are right, in new York Witnesses who testify in the Grand Jury receives immunity. That means they cant be prosecuted and which can only mean these witnesses would be testifying against other people. And presumably thats a bigger fish. Yeah, super interesting and you kind of walked us through it. We dont know more than this right now. As you explained, theyre going some where that they are not done. Anyone in Trumps Org and Donald Trump in general concerned of that Development Tonight and view it as bad news. Joy, please stay with me, i want to turn to other big story we brought you. The bipartisan committee here is demanding Phone Records and evidence. If these companies comply, a republican majority will not forget. Thats a threat. It is the idea that republicans would later use and potentially abuse any powers they have if they win back the congress to punish the people who comply with the law. Not normal. Not okay. Congress can subpoena evidence with other parts of government. Fox News Tucker Carlson views it as a threat but he claims this kind of abuse would be potentially good for the gop. That sounds like a threat and we hope it is. That statement is a flatout promise, whatever you want to call it. If you do this there are consequences. Yes, a threat. Now seeking some kind of rational and under some criticism. Mccarthy is floating the made up idea providing the evidence and requiring by law which breaks federal law. I have a report for you what he claims and at least to look at and factcheck it. The office did not give us a single law by the time we came on the air tonight. Adam schiff says mccarthy is basically freaking out because hes scared that the evidence and the Phone Records could indicate him or Talk Gop allies. Mccarthy is scared. I think his boss is scared. They didnt want this commission and this Elect Committee to go forward. Now the committee is pressing forward for evidence of Phone Companies and facebook. They say the committee will not be deterred by attempt of gop Cover Up or obstruct investigations. This one is bigger. We have a potential speaker of the house here saying in public you will remember what people in companies do, basically asking them to break the requirements to comply with congress. His allies at Fox News understand that threat clearly, this sounds some sort of crime show than serious governance. Mccarthy is maybe trying his best impression of omar from The Wire where the threats are scary but vague because the gangsters holding real power or a gun does not need to spell out the exact threat. He just says something like well, dont make me tell marlow, we understood. You are doing some foul joke on me, i am not going to tell margot, You Are The One putting me in that foul game. We understood. We understood . Thats thug talk. Thats the kind of thing coming at the top of the republican party now. Chai, what do you make of Mccarthys Threat . Hes worried about challenges through the house caucus, i think that is a flawed analysis. I think what we are seeing is an ideology by the gop to basically democratic backslide of the kinds we have seen in many countries overseas and particularly conservatives most admired. In hungary, the country that carlson visited going to disney land. This type of behavior is common place. The company must do what the president asks them to do otherwise, there will be consequences. Not specific consequences spelled out in paper but consequences. You get the draft. Thats what we are seeing throughout the gop. A culture of democratic backsliding that leads to authortariusm. Look at where they are now. Yeah, i think you laid that out and go deeper in some of the political conversations was. I appreciate that perspective. Joyce, this is the interception of the Rule Of Law of democracy and this kind of quote on Quote Hardball politics. It can happen here. Something we have been reminded of throughout history, we are in some way of a great nation and great ideals and aspirations. What is your view from the Law Enforcement Side when members of the government are basically trying to threaten people out of complying with Government Requests or potential subpoenas . So you know, the political reaction of this is appropriate and antidemocratic activity, that it is absolutely stunning to see this from someone who believes hes a future leader in the republican party. From a strictly Law Enforcement Point of view, if this was a Cartel Leader and if i had issued subpoenas for facebook and other forms of communications. If the Cartel Leaders approached those companies and say dont you dare comply with these subpoenas and issued random threats, i would look at that person as a target in additional obstruction of Justice Sort of investigation. So i dont want to get too far ahead here and say this absolutely is obstruction of justice. There is a very specific statute that makes a federal crime that threatens folks off of participating with a congressional inquiry, if the Minority Leader and others in that party believes this information should not be properly gathered, their approach is not to threaten Service Providers to ask them to make decisions of what the law requires. Their response is to filed a motion. Down the road if gathered information were going to be used. Absolutely the raw response here from someone whos a lawmaker. Yeah, you just laid it out clearly. Potential Cartel Leader, you know keen would say omar is running a gigantic cartel with some of the folks there but he was dealing with drugs and guns and he made threats the same way because he didnt want people to cooperate obviously be Law Enforcement or any other efforts that were against him. Thats the thugthing, i take Joyces Point as well. The legal analysis of full Obstruction Case has to be done, we are not going to do that in a few paragraphs here. It is certainly in the ballpark of what you are concerned about. The wider context is undemocratic efforts to try to Cover Up an undemocratic effort to overthrow election they lost as they look forward down the Line And Everybody has free access to the polls. I want to put on the screen of something we touch on could get lost here. What are the american people choosing over many different races and cycles that we have this. The United States voters put this up on the screen. Here is the year that most went for actual republican for the white house, 2004. If you look at every other race here over seven cycles. More people voted for the democrats. Thats Trump Era and Clinton Era and preobama era. It does not seem to be reversing is that part of people like mccarthy figuring out other ways to get back the power without getting most votes. It is. The Thugs Muscle cooperations to do their bidding and they can muscle voters, particularly whether they want to show up making their lives a lot more difficult and making the path to vote for them a lot more difficult to try to juice up specific outcomes. We have seen this completely overseas. Think about what a remarkable turn this is for the gop. We have gone from the party of Marjorie Taylor green to cooperations being people, exactly what Mccarthy Orless asking mccarthy to do and not cooperate with this investigation. You know what the outcome he seeks is which is gop Election Results that goes his way. Finally joyce, if you got a threat from someone who also has power, what do you do . Is this a close call . It is not a close call. You comply with the lawful subpoena. Congress has Enforcement Power among them and the ability to go to the justice department. No one should listen to threats or be deterred. Whether it is an organize prime leaders on the streets or someone in the halls of congress. Really interesting on more than one point and also serious stuff. I want to thank joyce and chai, we got a lot in tonights show. The battle of Desantis And Protest erupting of this Antiabortion Ban takes effect in texas and fear of where this Supreme Court is headed. There is a new twist of a death of unarmed young man whose case galvanized so many protests. We have that for you tonight as well. Protests we have that for you tonight as well [ding] dont get mad. Get e trade. Music playing. Theres an america we build and one we explore one thats been paved and one thats forever wild but freedom means you dont have to choose just one adventure you get both. Introducing the Allnew 3row Jeep grand Cherokee L jeep. Theres only one. Jeep grand Cherokee L this bathroom is too cute this one is too cool [ grunts ] this one is just right. [ grunts ] oh find your just right at kohler. Com. 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The Bottom Line is the people who are not desantis says the government is trying to kof you are up how bad the Death Rate is for the place of desantis overseeing what is widely been one of the worst responses to covid in america. We have seen consequences. Take 11yearold Peyton Lee now in the hospital Fighting Covid after going into the class where the governor got into the way where safety rules were violated. The Fifth Grader wore a mask in school but it is not required. Many didnt. There were children out there and my daughter who has Special Needs and make them even more vulnerable. Thats what people should be, keeping everyone safe. Keeping everyone safe especially with the information available. The majority of people in florida supports masking to protect themselves and kids. We saw fiscal fights among parents there. Desantis continues to defy the courts and try to financially punish educators and School Districts follow Safety Measures with masks. This is an ongoing cascading scandal. We are going to get into all of this with Cornell Belcher when we are back in 60 seconds. R when we are back in 60 seconds. Save, how much youll need, and build a straightforward plan to generate income, even when youre not working. A plan that gives you the chance to grow your savings and create Cash Flow that lasts. Along the way, well give you ways to be tax efficient. And you can start, stop or adjust your plan at any time without the unnecessary fees. Talk to us today, so we can help you go from saving. To living. Talthe light. Day, it comes from within. It drives you. And it guides you. To shine your brightest. As you charge ahead. Illuminating the way forward. A light maker. Recognizing that the impact you make, comes from the energy you create. Introducing the allelectric lyriq. Lighting the way. I am joined now by Cornell Belcher. Thank you for being here, sir. Thank you for having me. You could not hear me without your glasses on . Well, i look more intellectual with my glasses are. Respect, respect. Just giving you a hard time, we try to have a light moment here and there which are a punishing day, we just showed how bad and tough it is in florida. I would say it is fairly possible. Some of it is unavoidable. We would see some of these things we know about the pandemic anyway. The evidence that the governors policies are making it worse and his administration is not clear in the link of whether he was in on it but his administration covering up the actual way that the Death Rate is bad and getting worse. Your views . Whats important here is we are paying a price for it. Republicans doing this sort of thing and going against the will of the majority and they dont think they have to pay a price for it. The number of florida are clear where voters are and particularly women in florida where you have 65 or plus better of women in florida wants teachers to be masked and the governor is fighting that. The question becomes will we pay a political price for this . Even democrats well, lets put that up as you walk us through. You say there is a Gender Balance there. We also know the overall support is 60 , right . It is not as if even close to have people and florida are debating this. It is really a minority to your point, go ahead cornell. 36 becomes important. You know where the majority of republicans are and you think of the republican primary voters. Thats where that 36 is. In fact, the majority of republicans think this issue is more about freedom than about health issues. So, republicans dont think they are paying a price in general. Desantis has his eye on the bigger prize of a president ial primary. You play politics of this issue of covid. I am afraid children and teachers are the ones who carry the cost of his politics with their health and lives. If Women Voters galvanize around this and democrats can turn this into a wedge issue, can they make republican like desantis pay a price for this . In florida they can turn and energize and mobilize the Health And Safety of the kids. I hope they can. As a fantastic opportunity for democrats to continue to sort of move and mobilize more Women Voters to women in the suburbs toward democratic candidates wholl stop this foolishness. They historically are not paying a high price for doing unpopular thing, ari. You advise candidates and public officials the instinct to try to make things better than they are in reality is not just in one party. We report on this program when former democratic Governor Cuomo was playing with the numbers of Nursing Home deaths, we reported then. You put out bad information thats going to hurt the emergency response. We have seen this in New York and florida and other states. With about 45 seconds left. What do you say to, when you advise politicians, well, the story is no good, maybe well lie about the story. It is not wrong but it does not work in the long run. We have to connect these lives to the Health And Welfare of children. If you connect these lives to the Health And Welfare of children that hes on the wrong side taking out care and looking out for the young people of the state, i think we have a good argument to give women to vote against him yeah, you are really thinking back about the accountability which is not a democracy and people have to assess. If the Publics Safety is not the first thing in your mind, it is a prerequisite for someone to have this much power then what is . I have to okay, i have to get in a break. Not let them get mudied up. Yes, sir. I hope you keep the glasses on the whole rest of the day if it suits you. We always appreciate your intellectual rigger. Thank you, sir. Cornell belcher. There is an update of the police story. Coming up. 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The people who are trying to change not only the law but supposed to be under our system Supreme Court providing for these rights. The law was drafted in ways to make it difficult to get to the Supreme Court. People filing suits though could get a kind of bounty, 10,000 if they win. Abortion advocates and other legal and policy experts say this law basically impacts 85 of people who may choose to get an abortion which has not formally overruled is your choice. Most women are not aware they would be pregnant by the new deadline in texas. President biden says his view as it is flatly unconstitutional, it is outrageous and hell do everything in his power as president to fight. Joining now by someone who has a keen eye on many of these issues and the new way the right is attacking these constitutional rights. The New York times Michelle Goldberg. Thank you for being here. Of course, thank you. We introduce this topic because one, there may be a big good Faith Debate about the ethics and morally of the under lying procedures. If the Supreme Court still claims roe v. Wade is in the books but not for women in texas, walk us through your view and what you are writing about. So this law was drafted in this clever way that allows it to give the court a pretext to not enjoy it, which is that if you are suing and block abortion ban, you try to stop officials from enforcing it. There is no one to actually sue because any random person can enforce it. It is really important. They can sue anyone they think is helping abet abortion. That means your mom loves to pay for it. The patient is exempted and everyone else is fair game. The people collect 10,000 as a minimum if they are successful. The people that were sued could not recoop their attorneys fees. This is a way to sue clinics and abortion Rights Charity that you live in and to also defacto and ban abortion. Abortion after six weeks in texas is illegal. This is the kind of such extreme law and it almost kind of crept up on us. Who could imagined just a few years ago this would be the Law Of The Land of the 50 states that the Supreme Court would allow it. It would take victims of crimes and subject to this limitation. You mentioned the way it works with private citizens. They call a website for tips to go after people. Texas rights to life launched. What is this also doing in the risk as a societal level of the kind of, you know, pick your distopia. I think it is important to put this into context of a broader republican term of vigilantism. You see Republicans Passing Laws and you see republicans kind of celebrating vigilantesvigilante. And there was a republican in pennsylvania talking about 20 strong men to remove people from School Boards if they mandate masks. In general if you have republican party, its True Believers should be more or lessen force their will on the rest of us. 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Take music technology, it had gone from Vinyl Records to tapes and cds and streaming the exact same structure still favors corporations over people. Artists and the fans. Just about every artist says this continues and it is unfair. If theyre going to be indeed a Delivery Service then thats fine. Even fedex does not say they own the thing they should. Ultimately, it keeps us apart and it keeps people in power in i havent made any of the samples. Do you ever get a dime of that . For the most part, myself, no. A lot of people do. You dont have enough money to fight the big companies. What do you really need Record Companies for . I mean really. This is about Power And Law and culture and systems that marginalize creative people that contribute so much. Prince spent his life fighting that principle. Other younger artists are breaking the mold entirely which is still hard to do. Take 28yearold russ who made his first hits without trading in his Intellectual Property over to a Record Label and using any professional producers, engineers on his way to selfmade success. The New Jersey born artist is real maverick in the industry and we just sat down in his current home of atlanta where i asked about the many years he spent making and posting homemade songs online, struggling to find more than a few listeners or few hundred bucks. We have his exact earnings from that period because in another unusual move, rereleased numbers to the public. Youre putting out this music all by yourself. Thats is not working. Youre getting a couple hundred bucks. If i stop in 2015, you know, midway through 2015, June 2015 at 600, i put out 11 mixed tapes at that point and a bunch of songs. If i stopped at June 2015 having only made 600 that month but with amount of output i did, they would be like you didnt give it your all. They would be a lot. Its like i wouldnt have, you wouldnt have been able to say i didnt work hard and i didnt try. I was like this going to work. Yall are going to wake up, just watch. There was not a doubt that that it wasnt going to work. You say delusion. We talked about your roles, including author. It reads like other inspirational books. Explain what you mean by be delusional. You have to be first person to think youre going to do what youre going to do. Thats delusional. Theres no evidence in real life its going to work. The other part that makes it delusional is its not a guaranteed path. You can go to college and youre guaranteed to get a piece of paper. You could do rap for ten years and get nothing. Thats also what makes it delusional. Can we get into the paradox, sure. If youre selfaware that this plan is delusional, do you cease to be delusional about it . Yeah. I can do it. Its confidence. You dont realize. I was doing it. I was like i could do this. He sold out shows for 20,000 People Headliing the staples center. He works as an entrepreneur with a marijuana company. They help to work and release drug offenders still behind bars. The u. S. Has a Patch Work War on drugs that means while some people use and profit off of marijuana legally, thousands of others, poor black and brown people. Im in the Cannibas Space as a white person. Theres so many black and brown people incarcerated for weed. Im aware im white in a black space. I cant take, take, take. Give me the money and fans. Im going to use the culture to get my fans and not ever give anything back. I got to try to do my part. Im not on the front lines. Im not claiming to be the most educated. I will try to step up and do my part. Do you see that including like Advocacy Lobbying . Would you talk to politicians about it . I dont feel educated enough to be on the front lines. I feel like i should do my part. Not every one is supposed to be on the front line. People have to play their role. I hear that. Instead of handing over cash. Someone racist who just use yall for black promotion. Way to stick it to the man. You really showed him a point of cash in his hand. Walk out the store then you post it on the gram. Now your fans are his fans. The cycle repeats. Congrats. Yeah. Over estimating capitalism and brands happens everywhere but youre saying why support some racist brand and make them your fans. The way to stick it to somebody who doesnt like you is not to give them money. Imagine that. Beyond policy, we covered a lot of ground in this mavericks interview. Here have a few more high points. Whatever youre scared of, if you attack it enough, you can end up flipping it into fuel. I didnt know how long i was going to go but i knew i was going to go until i blue up. Does being independent allow do you be a better artist. My Success Threat direct threat on the Record Labels. I dont trust artist who is dont do interviews. If you dont call it love, you could call it deep affection. I could probably cancel my Therapy Session this week after that. Sometimes the conversation has a bit of that therapy. These clips are airing for you for the very first time. Its part of our maverick series. You recall the other ones we had. Those are still online if you want to check those out. We had a lot to talk about. Youll see its fall hour. You may enjoy a bit more of it. Dont go anywhere. The reid out with joy is up next. Hello. How you doing . This is big news day. Well be talking about the Elijah Mcclain related prosecutions which is a big deal from my former state of colorado. I know you talked about that on your show. Its a pretty big news day. Texas, come on. Handmaids tale, whats happening . Well be watching. Thank you. We begin with a heartbreaking story about a 13yearold girl, a child, this young girl living in texas faced the ultimate nightmare. She was raped by her own grandfather. That was vunt the end of the horror. When she was told by her doctor that she was pregnant, she also learned that the nearest clinic that would perform an abortion was across the state. Clearly someone would have to drive her. She would have to find the money from someone to get an Abortion Procedure and and, and. The procedure this

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