I have to go back and i plane, i dont i dont i dont know that when when those conversations happened. What we are now learning about jim jordans multiple conversations with the president on January 6th. And why the select committee is seeking his phone records. And how the unhinged response to publichealth measures during the pandemic is taking a very dark turn. Going in with 20 strong men, i am going to speak before the School Board and give them an option. They can leave or they can be removed. When All In starts right now. Good evening from New York. Im chris hayes. On September 26th , 2001, almost 20 years ago, it was 15 days after the u. S. Was attacked on 9 11. A Dozen Cia operatives landed in northern afghanistan. Their mission was to lay the groundwork for the u. S. Invasion of the talibancontrolled country. Since that day, for nearly twostraight decades, there has been an american military presence in afghanistan. Until today. This afternoon, americas longest war was brought to a close. Im here to announce the completion of our withdrawal from afghanistan and The End of the Military Mission to evacuate american citizens, thirdcountry nationals, and vulnerable afghans. The last c17 lifted off from hamid karzai international airport on august 30th, this afternoon, at 3 29 p. M. East coast time. And the last manned aircraft is now clearing the airspace above afghanistan. In so many ways, the u. S. Militarys exit from afghanistan has been as wrenching and morally fraught as the occupation and the war, itself. Theres been a continuity, in fact, between the two. Last week, After The Fall of the country to the taliban, again, and as the u. S. Withdrawal continued, an attack near the airport in kabul killed 13 u. S. Service members and more than 100 afghan civilians. Isisk, an affiliate of the islamic state, claimed responsibility. President Joe Biden and first lady Jill Biden paid their respects to the fallen yesterday. Joining their families for the dignified transfer of their remains at Dover Air Force base. And on top of that brutal loss, came the news of our retaliation. In response to that act of mass murder, u. S. Military launched a Drone Strike targeting an islamic State Car Bomb that Central Command said posed an imminent threat to the airport. That strike killed ten afghan civilians, according to Family Members. All ten were extended family. And several were small children. An afghan journalist told the bbc The Family were planning to come to the united states on special immigrant visas. The family um were expecting an siv. They had received a call that, you know, a car will come and get you to the airport any day now and thats why there were so many people in the they had all relocated to that one house and were waiting to leave. And this is something that the neighbors and The Family kept saying if you were willing to give them a visa to come to your country, how could you end up killing them . And accusing them of being daish . Pentagon says they are oh quote not a position to dispute those reports and they are investigating. This is precisely the horrifying moral truth of the entire war. A war that was initially justified not at all crazily by the fact that the taliban did, indeed, harbor a man who had pulled off the most lethal Terrorist Attack on u. S. Soil. A war that metastasized for 20 years punctuated by unspeakable violence, aeffectuated often by americans towards afghans, often afghan civilians. A war with a supposed aim of propping up an independent afghan government that fell in a matter of days. A war that has now ended with the return of the taliban. For all the arguments happening now, but the moral shortcomings of the u. S. Militarys exit and the afghans left behind, i am reminded of the saying. The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now. The best time to leave afghanistan was years ago. But the second best time is now. Now, it is done. That does not mean, of course, that this is The End of the story by any means. Afghanistan remains a country nearly 40 Million people facing dire circumstances but the u. S. , the taliban in charge, and the economic future very much in doubt. The taliban who gave Al Qaeda safe haven are, indeed, a vicious faction of ideologues. It was, of course, a member of the taliban who Shot A Young Girl named Malala Yousafzai in the head because she advocated for education of girls and now the taliban are back in power after 20 years with a state to run. They claim they will respect womens rights this time. They claim women will be allowed even to attend universities in femaleonly classes, as long as their studies are in line with the Talibans Interpretation of islamic law. But they are also a faction that must run a state after 20 years as militants. And the last time around, it didnt go very well. In fact, the lack of international support, there are a handful of nations that recognize the taliban, helped pave the way from their ejection from power. So perhaps, it is actually not all that surprising the taliban did, in fact, cooperate with the United States Military For Security Purposes after the last over the last couple weeks. The biden administration got a lot of flack about, quote unquote, trusting the taliban. But it is a fact they were in a position where they could have killed a lot of u. S. Troops and a lot of civilians. They did not. And that fraught and tenuous partnership with the taliban, the u. S. Military was able to pull off one of the largest airlifts in history. Evacuating more than 120,000 people since last month. An incredible logistical achievement. Tens of thousands of afghan refugees have now touched down in countries around the world from qatar to albania to here, in the united states. All hoping to find somewhere to rebuild their lives in safety. And so, here we stand. A new chapter for afghanistan. A new chapter for us. It is a fact that ending this war required a level of resolve that no one had, prior to president Joe Biden. It required standing up to the vast Establishment Consensus in confronting the fekleness of american opinion. Joe biden has done that. The actual evacuation of all u. S. Troops has finally happened. And while there is very little joy to find in any of this long, painful story, the actual end of this war is a remarkable thing. Tia is a foreign correspondent, Msnbc International Affairs analyst. She spent nearly five years in afghanistan where she ran nbc News Coverage there. The Cofounder And President of the Quincy Institute for responsible state craft. And this Weeks Issue of the nation, he wrote about why we lost in afghanistan and they both join me now. Colonel, maybe, let me start with you on your feeling now on this day. You have written much about the war on terror. Much about the u. S. overseas war over the last two decades. Did the president do the right thing . I think theres no question about that. Their prolonging the war beyond 20 years would not have served any purpose. At least not have served any american interest. So this day had to come. Its its sad, disturbing, that the evacuation had to occur the way it did. Ill planned. Ill managed. With more u. S. Casualties. Although, as you correctly said, at The End of the day, it really is a remarkable achievement. That said, i would insist that the real story here is not what has happened over the past two weeks or so. But whats happened over the past 20 years. We failed. We embarked upon a major effort to to build a nation, to create a legitimate government, to build an army that would defend afghanistan. We failed on every count. A costly failure, in terms of Blood And Money and, therefore, it seems to me the imperative of the moment is to is to ask the question how did this happen . What do we need to do to make sure it doesnt happen, again . Tia, you were you were in afghanistan for years during this war. And a few people pointed out today that the the the sort of final, closing chapter in which Isis Khorasan, you know, commits this act of savage mass murder. Killing hundreds of civilians and 13 u. S. Service members and then a strike by the u. S. That appears to have taken out children, civilians. Is one small chapter happening in kabul of a War Of of a cycle that has happened for 20 years, often in rural in remote areas . Well, i i think that one thing that we do need to realize that the war might be over, technically, for the u. S. But the war is not over for the afghans. Um, its not over for the taliban, either. As you mention, Isis Khorasan is an enemy of the taliban. In fact, some of them were members of the taliban. We might even see ranks of the taliban going over into isisk. And there is a vacuum thats been left behind. 20 years, there has been a lot of failures and a lot of blame to go around. But there has, also, been a lot of success. A lot of afghans who relied on the u. S. And Nato Mission there, on their partners there. And that vacuum is going to be filled by we dont really know what. We assume its the taliban. We assume that the taliban, theyre showing on a good front but theyre divided in their own ranks. They are terrified right now of not being able to form a proper government. Not being able to provide for the people. And really, the infighting thats going to take place. You know, afghanistan has been known for its past for its warlords and the different factions and fighting, as you mentioned. Um and we are seeing a new group of socalled warlords or Power Brokers that are going to try to fill that vacuum and try to take that power from different members of the taliban regime. Um, colonel, what why do you think it took this long for for us to get to this point . I mean, it is striking when you think about the u. S. , how long its been a nation. How many Military Engagements it has been involved in. That this is, on the books, longest war that we have fought. Why . I think we have a hard time as a nation confronting some very uncomfortable facts. You know, with The End of the cold war, we dubbed ourselves the indispensable nation. We declared that history had ended. We concluded that the future was gonna be our future. That Liberal Democracy was going to triumph everywhere. There was plenty of evidence, before 9 11, that that was not in the cards. But 9 11 really drove the point home. And so, we embarked upon this enormous folly called the global war on terrorism to to give the lie to those facts. To try to demonstrate that, yes, we were, indeed, the indispensable nation. The one and only superpower. And and the wars in iraq and afghanistan, together, really demonstrate the the extent of the folly. And i think call upon us today to to rethink who we are as a people, as a nation. Where we fit in the global order. To move to a posture that is more restrained, perhaps, in the use of Military Power and that doesnt fancy that the rest of the world is going to be remade in our image. Thats the real source of the problem. Tia, there there have been so many stories. Wrenching, awful stories about folks that are trying to get out. People that had worked with u. S. Forces. Um, students, for instance, at the American University In in kabul. You know, one thing that i had a hard time getting my head around when they say 122,000 folks got out. There blinken saying close to 100 probably between 100 and 200 americans left there. Whats the universe of folks in afghanistan who would say qualified for the Siv Siv visas who wanted to get out . You know, what what what do we have our arms around as the population and what their lives look like now . There are a lot of people left behind. I am in contact with Green Card holders who have been left behind who had gotten their Green Card by being siv candidates. There are people who are qualified for p2 that are terrified for their lives. There is a woman who is a lawyer. Father was a colonel in the afghan army. Who has Bullet Holes throughout her her wall outside of her house because they are trying to scare her and her mother and her younger siblings. Its a terrifying experience thats left there. Um, and i should also note its its a traumatic experience for the afghans, clearly. Its also a traumatic experience right now for our u. S. Service members who spent time there. Our diplomats who spent time there. And american civilians and international civilians who spent time there because they are seeing some of their people, many of their people, people who they relied on to help keep them alive while they were in afghanistan. And they are terrified that their lives are going to be lost and they werent able to help them. Ive talked to these Service Members. I have talked to these diplomats. And its its a its a horrible its a horrible feeling and we need to keep that in mind on this really, really heavy day. That especially those Service Members who already suffer from ptsd. I i would like to say, if you know a friend, a family member, or a family who has lost a loved one, please reach out to them. Especially, today and the coming days because its a hurtful time. And we need to remember that. Tia and andrew, thank you both for joining me tonight. I really appreciate it. Thank you. The intersection of the pandemic and climate change tonight. 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Some armed with Chab Chain saws to clear Debris Trapping people in their homes. 1 Million people are without power right now as a result of incidents like this, where an Electrical Tower was left just utterly crumpled by the storm. Now, it could take days or weeks even for power to be fully restored which is, obviously, ominous and terrible for a number of reasons. Setting aside the massive inconvenience and the potential danger from the southern heat, which is very real. There is also the brutal reality of the coronavirus which has been ravaging louisiana. In one icu, doctors and nurses were forced to manually pump air into patients lungs after a Generator Failure caused their ventilators to shut off. Reminder the virus does not pause for natural disasters. And so, medical professionals are left balancing a onceinacentury pandemic on top of our changing climate, which makes extremeweather events both more common and more dangerous. Sherry fink is a New York times correspondent whos been reporting on this. She is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. Author of a really masterful account called five days memorial, about the aftermath of katrina in one New Orleans hospital. And she joins me now. This is, sherry, something that you have written about for decades now. I think its fair to say. First, lets just start with how hospitals appear to be holding up in in the area that was struck so far. Yes. Unfortunately, this is a pattern and i have been writing about it for a long time. And i should say that im im just starting a Book Leave to work on a book about covid. And so, im down here mostly for that. Hopefully, people are following my amazing colleagues who are all all out through the region with The Times and what they are finding and what i have been hearing as well as i have been speaking to doctors and hospital staff. Listening to the Press Conferences and um speaking to people is that hospitals have had problems. We have hospitals in the bayou area, which is about sort of southwest of New Orleans. They have had to evacuate a number of them. One of them, a rather large hospital. And as you pointed out, covid is making this much more difficult. The governor stated ahead of the storm that hospitals would not be evacuating patients. Often, they do ahead of a storm. For the most part this time, they did not because there were not hospitals that had the capacity to take them. Today, i spoke with one Hospital Official in Baton Rouge who is preparing to take patients from terrebonne Generals Hospital in the Houma Area and he said he informed the state we will take those patients and make room but we need staff because of the covid pandemic. Their staff is just already overstretched. So, they want staff to arrive with the patients. So, these are some of the concerns and the power outages. You know, many, many hospitals are are operating on backup power. They have already had, as you mentioned, difficulties with those generators. We have seen that over and over in many storms. And the Governor Today recognized that this is a high priority because they can fail. Theyre not so, you know, they dont hold up for long periods of time often. Yeah. So this is a big issue. I also want to bring in dr. Cori aber who is a pediatrician on the ground in New Orleans, louisiana. And, doctor, tell me what youre hearing from fellow doctors there and and how things are looking, generally, in New Orleans right now. Well, you know, people are a little bit frustrated. I mean, you know, its its the trifecta. People still have ptsd from hurricane katrina. And then, covid19 with the hospital shortages. And now, with Hurricane Ida its almost like deja vu, all over again. And that is a real problem because not only is it just a physical issue. Where people are very sick. But its also a mental issue where people are trying to escape. Meaning, they are starting to drink a lot of alcohol. Theyre starting to smoke. And then, what happens is they are not going to be able to have any ability to leave this city because there is not gas, theres not electricity. So they are in these hot houses, theyre dehydrated from drinking. And then, they dont get enough water and then they end up in the hospital. And cant even go to the hospital. So well, it seems to me, a key issue here, sherry, is is the timeline for power restoration. I mean, the one time that i have been in in a serious storms aftermath, which was Hurricane Irma in florida. It was just so apparent that, you know, 12 hours without power. 24 hours. Not great. You just start to push out two, three days in a hot place, you start to really run up against some real limitations for Peoples Health and security. This is so, so true. And its not just the hospitals and, by the way, some of those do not have their Air Conditioning systems attached. Yeah. To the backup power. So that is um exactly as you said, a real threat to patients when it gets hot. But really, the many people at home, including many people at home with covid who are being treated, you know, with oxygen. Those are the real priority now. And weve seen that over and over, again. That, you know, hospitals. Its easy to focus on them. But many, many people live at home with durable medical equipment that rely on power and there needs to be outreach to to these individuals who may need assistance. Doctor, you know, you talked about the ptsd of katrina 16 years ago. Um, and and i wonder how much obviously, the levees here have have held as far as as far as we know which is, of course, massively important as we saw 16 years ago. If there have been hardening if theres been hardening of the infrastructure in in terms of having a city and a medical infrastructure, particularly better prepared this time around than it would have been 16 years ago . Yes and and i really do feel like even though, you know, the medical infrastructure right now is fragile because of covid19. Um, it is much better than it was 16 years ago because we had a a loss of life that was that was over, you know, 3 or 400 people in the hospital settings because they werent prepared. They didnt have generators. So now, at least we do have generators. But, you know, what whats happening because doctors are frustrated. They are having to move patients that really need care and and mostly unvaccinated people that are in the hospital admitted. Doctors are frustrated. But the patients, the people are frustrated, too. And the reason why is because this is actually a superspreader event. And the reason why is because if you have let your guard down, youre frustrated. Youre upset. The last thing you are going to want to do is sit in your house and wear a mask with all of your Family Members around huddled because your you know, its hierarchy of needs at this point. So that is thats going to make the Delta Variant spread even more so and that is a real problem. Um, do you think, sherry, in terms of physical the the hospitals. You also talked about the staffing issue. And this is something that i i just have been hearing more and more both louisiana and florida. That there is a real were were hitting a real crunch here and i could imagine when you mix in folks that have evacuated. Healthcare workers that have evacuated and the Staffing Shortage and these sort of capacity hospitals. There theres that has to be a real Frontofmind Concern for everyone in the medical community in the entire area . This is so, so true. And i spent much of the last year and a half reporting from within hospitals and the staff are are tired. Um, you know, we have been hearing these stories. They are just so demoralized. There is that horrible feeling of treating now people as you pointed out who could have been vaccinated, who most likely would not have gotten critically ill. So preventable illnesses. And there are severe staff shortages. This is very, very true. One interesting thing that was mentioned yesterday in the the governor mentioned this was that the state, because of this terrible shortage and they they have just had their worst Covid Wave to date. The Fourth Wave was the worst. The numbers are still very high. And so, they had contracted additional medical staff to arrive but they couldnt arrive because they were supposed to come, you know, the day before the storm and and the governor said there werent hotels for them. So this adds to the difficulty. It is a very, very real concern here. Doctor, theres a a according to some reports, 100 patients that were transferred from one Hospital Facility in houma. The ceo of the healthcare system, hospitals have said that their buildings have roof damage. Do you do you know at least are folks in safe buildings now at the very least in terms of as as we get more information to what what happened after the storm . Yes. They they were transported by ground transportation. Mostly. And they are in safe areas right now. Those patients were not criticallyill patients. But once again, its still you know, it its very disheartening when you have to do that. When you have to move a patient. Yeah. That is on iv fluid. That is requiring dialysis. These this makes this all the all the much worse when it comes to looking at this in in a in a microcosm of why is this happening all the time . Infrastructure must be built so that its not like where you can have levees hold but you dont have electricity. Or you can have electricity and then levees dont hold. This is not a golf game. Its not like you are driving and you not putting the same in a good way. This is real life and we have to do better. Doctor, sherry, thank you so much. Stay safe down there. We are, of course, thinking of everyone in the storms path. Turning to the investigation into the January 6th insurrection. One mystery may have been solved. On January 6th, did you speak with him before, during, or after the capitol was attacked . Id have to go i i i spoke with him, that day, after . I think after . I dont know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. I i just dont know. I had have to go back and i i mean, i dont i dont know that that when when those conversations happened. But um after months of we finally have some inkling about what exactly jim jordan was talking to Donald Trump about as rioters swarmed the capitol. Thats next. L. Thats next. [singing] oven roasted cooold cuts cooold cuts introducing Aleve X. 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I spoke with him on January 6th. I mean, i talked with President Trump all the time. And thats thats i dont think thats unusual. I would expect members of congress to talk with the president of the united states when they are trying to get done the things they told the voters in their district to do. I i i im actually kind of amazed sometimes that people keep asking this. Of course, i talk with the president all the time. Like said, i talked with him last week. On January 6th, did you speak with him before, during, or after the capitol was attacked . Id have to go i i i spoke with him, that day, after . I think after . I dont know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. I i just dont know. Aide have to go back and i mean, i dont i dont i dont know that when when those conversations happened. But um, but what i know is i spoke with him all the time. Thats almost a full minute of congressman jim jordan just squirming as he is unable to answer this very simplest question. Did you speak to Donald Trump on the day of the insurrection . He did not stop there. The reporter pressed Congressman Jordan about a number of topics including whether his involvement planning the Trump Rally the morning of the attack on the capitol. Did you ever take part in any meetings or discussions about the the Trump Event . The rally down at the White House that was being planned ahead of time . I wasnt at the rally. Didnt go. Didnt didnt didnt attend the event. Did you help plan it at all . Or were you involved in any discussions . That was done by their political team i think. Im not sure who planned it but i didnt. The reporter also pressed jim jordan on what Congresswoman Liz Cheney of wyoming said about possibly calling him before the select committee as a material witness. Well, new Reporting Today shows Congressman Jordan was on the phone with Donald Trump that day and you would not believe what they were discussing. Next. 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Politico is now reporting that as lawmakers were evacuated to a Safe Room, congressman jim jordan of ohio was joined by Congressman Matt Gaetz of florida. Together, this is politicos reporting, implored trump to tell his supporters to stand down per a source with knowledge of that call. When asked about the call by politicos olivia beavers, Congressman Jordan responded quote, look, i definitely spoke to the president that day. I dont recall. I know it was more than once, i just dont recall The Times. He is getting very good at that, huh . The january6th committee. This raises important, new questions. Did leader mccarthy know about this call when he tried to appoint jordan to the committee . And will committee call Jordan And Gaetz to testify, given they are now in the center of the Insurrection Timeline . Olivia beaver is congressional reporter for i politico who broke this story. Joyce vance, also cohost of the sisters and legal podcast. As well as msnbc legal analyst and they both join me now. Olivia, just if you could sort of flesh out your reporting here about what we know about this Phone Call. When it happened, what what may or mat anyway have been said in it. Chris, so we know that when lawmakers were evacuated from the house chamber, they essentially went into this Back Room where Congressman Jordan was trying to reach the White House. Was patched in with President Trump and Matt Gaetz participated in that Phone Call. In which source of knowledge says that they basically were telling trump that he had to tell his followers to stand down. The source declined to say what trump said in response. What was not in the report was that i was also told this source knew also that there were other Phone Calls made to mark meadows after these Phone Calls. So, were were kind of getting some clues and details as to how trumps allies were basically reaching out to the White House as there were still rioters trying to break into the capitol building. And it raises more questions about what these conversations and what the nature is and whether any other allies were also trying to call trump and say you need to say something. I just want to just i want to sort of make make the subtext the text here for a moment. And then, joyce, i am going to turn to you on a legal question. But just to follow up, olivia. So the one theory. I mean, we have all seen jordans performance. When politicians dont want to answer a question, you dont actually have to be a professional reporter to see that in jimd jordan hes been very squirrely. And i think one theory was oh, he was somehow complicit in this. Or he was like cheering it on or something. But what what emerges from your reporting and, you know, its not definitive yet. Well find out. Its the opposite. He like all sensible people were saying, dude, call off the dogs banging at our doors. And he doesnt want people to know that because if they know that, that implies that he understood, as Matt Gaetz did and anyone with half a brain that the president was obviously responsible in some ways for them being there. Absolutely. I mean, the suggestion is that they were trying to say this is bad, you need to get involved. That was the message to the president that they had. And as to whether or not the president responded, we still dont know. But there were frantic Phone Calls being made away from other members trying to implore him to, you know, get involved. And we saw that speech that he made hours later. That that was basically reluctant, hesitant, and and far too late. So we know the president did, eventually, speak. But not when these Phone Calls were being placed. Yeah. He said i love you after they bashed a bunch of cops brains in. I want to ask you this legal question, joyce, because this is fascinating terrain for me. So this is Nbc News reporting that the committee is going to ask Phone Companies for republican lawmakers records. Records are of Lauren Boebert of colorado, jim jordan, madison cawthorn, Matt Gaetz, louie gohmert, scott perry, andy biggs, paul gosar. Just sort of the usual suspects there. What what do you think about that that request . What what legal status is is it gonna have . How much of a fight is that going to be . There is a larger question here because the legal issue thats unresolved, chris, is whether a committee like this can subpoena a member of congress for testimony. Right. And these records are a little bit different from testimony, itself. But certainly, we should expect to see these members try to delay the Committees Process by challenging in court whether theres some sort of extended Speech Or Debate Clause Protection for these records. Um, spoil alert. I dont think that there is. I think The Law is pretty well established that not everything that a member of congress does is done in their official Speech And Debate clause capacity. And we have got this interesting take from doj in the civil lawsuit filed against Mo Brooks and the former president and others where doj talks about conduct that is outside of the official function because its, for instance, electioneering. Or one might think fomenting an insurrection might be outside of official scope of responsibilities. So these subpoenas can go forward. The information that that that the House Committee will get is probably pretty limited at the outset. It will let them see which numbers were calling other numbers and they help them devise a strategy for which witnesses they actually wish to call to speak and take testimony from in person. Just to follow up on on on what i just said to olivia. In terms i mean, we saw during the inauguration, right im sorry, during the inauguration during the second impeachment that there was you know, the case presented, right, the theory of the case is that if you got people calling the president to say call off the dogs. The obvious logical and tail end of that is they think he controls the dogs, ergo is responsible for them. And that if you show more members of congress doing this, it just further bolsters that view of the responsibility. Whether thats ethical or legal responsibility. So here, we are talking about political accountability as opposed to what might be happening up the street from congress in the justice department. Where they could have an investigation into criminal responsibility. In terms of creating a public record, i think youre absolutely right because if members of congress are treating the former president as though he had control of the mob, that gives you an awful lot of insight into what they believed. And its important to put people on the record under oath because something we havent talked enough about the work of this House Select Committee is that its goal is to build a historical record that people can rely on. Nothing says reliability like putting people under oath. Great point. Final, very quickly, question. Am i right, olivia . Your reporting indicates there were multiple cars with Jordan And Trump on that day . Thats what jordan told me when i asked aim hbt his Phone Call with gaetz. He said that he doesnt recall when but i recalls he has had multiple conversations. And then, he sort of then goes, you know, it probably would make sense, one of those Phone Calls would have happened in that Safe Room where they were evacuated. Yeah. So, he he didnt, you know, directly confirm. But, you know, at one other point, i wanted to quickly make. I have had a few sources saying you know if you keep on saying you dont recall, you could just go back and look at the records and start filling in those blanks if you really wanted to. Great point. Joyce vance, olivia beavers, thank you both. Up next. More public officials personally threatened for doing their jobs. All the council peoples homes that are voting on the vaccine mandate. Whoever votes yes, were coming to your door were coming to your home. You want to feel you want to intimidate us . Were coming to you now. The increasingly violent intimidation being brought to bear on mask policies. Next. Icies. Next for 35 years. Im a mother of four always busy. I was starting to feel a little foggy. Just didnt feel like things were as sharp as i knew they once were. I heard about prevagen and then i started taking it about two years now. Started noticing things a little sharper, a little clearer. I feel like its kept me on my game. Im able to remember things. Id say give it a try. 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In a big announcement today, the department of Educations Office for civil rights sent open investigations into five states that have barred schools from allowing masks in schools, iowa, oklahoma, tennessee, South Carolina and utah. In tennessee, they harassed public health officials leaving a School Board meeting, with one man telling an official, we know who you are. You can leave freely, but we will find you. Yesterday there was this terrifying display as the Los Angeles City council looks into a proof of vaccination mandate. It was put on by Jason Lefkowitz turned antimask and antivaccine organizer. Whoever votes yes, were coming to your door were coming to your home. You want to intimidate us, were coming to you now. Civil war is coming, people i think he said Civil War is coming, people, mr. Lefkowitz there, with a pretty physical threat there. Steve lynch is a republican candidate for northampton county executive, and he voted this plan for local School Board executives. You go into a School Board for removal, thats what you do. They dont follow The Law. You go in and you remove them. Im going in with 20 strong men. Im going to give them an option. They can leave or they can be removed. Ruth bengout is a professor of history, and she joins he am now. I thought of you, ruth, when i saw that clip because i thought it was a fairly succinct alteration, that you dont go in there with data, you go in there with 20 strong men and you threaten them to leave. You try to persuade people, and in other places, you go in with, quote, 20 strong men. Thats right, and these people see themselves as warriors. Its the Trump Plan to take back the country, and theyre doing It Board by board, Town By town, and schools are always of interest to authoritarians because theyre forming the minds of the next generation. As for their methods, democracy is about Compromise And Consensus politics, but these people have learned also from trump that if somebody doesnt agree with you, you threaten them into silence or you lock them up or beat them up. It just shows how much democracy and civil society has eroded in this country after four years of trump. Yeah, i have to say im really both unnerved and disgusted by how comfortable people seem making explicit threats in public. I want to i referred to this before, i want to show what it looked like when these Public Health Workers in tennessee got out of a meeting and got into their car. This is what they faced. Take a listen. We know who you are we know who you are you can leave freely, but we will find you. We know who you are. I know who you are. I mean, again, that is achieving your political objectives through other means, essentially. It means other than Speech Or Debate, but to try to intimidate people so they essentially submit. Well, and the key is that they feel empowered. And this is whats doubly frightening, that they dont care because they feel protected by their peers and by The Law. And this is why accountability is so important. Not only do we have so many examples of trump saying things like, in the old days, you could beat people up and get away with it, because authoritarianism is all about getting away with it so violence is protected. Uthoritarianism is when thugs and criminals become The Lawmakers. This is a terrifying trend, but its a result of a lack of accountability and we talk about January 6th and the lack of prosecutions, and this is what you get. You know, you can see i mean, you can see in these images the kind of redfaced almost Blood Lust that is in this sort of instrument of these folks. Ive seen tons of footage like this and that individual, will lynch. Youve got sort of the crowd asking for it and then leaders essentially encouraging or wink, wink going along with it. Here is the republican in congress saying some Stuff And Kind of going along. Take a listen. The big problem is we dont actually know where all the political prisoners are. So if we were to actually be able to go and try to bust them out and let me tell you, the reason why they have taken these political prisoners is because theyre trying to make an example because they dont want to see the mass protests going on. If our Election Systems continue to be rigged and continue to be stolen, then its going to lead to one place and thats bloodshed. I will tell you as much as im willing to defend our liberty at all costs, there is nothing that i dread doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow american. Be clear, when hes talking about political prisoners, hes asked about the folks facing legal Consequences Participant participating in the resurrection. He talks about the election being rigged and bloodshed and how he doesnt want to take up arms against fellow americans, put it hangs there as a possibility. I dont know, man, thats not good. No, and heres this is propaganda. Hes mentioning it for a ryan, getting it out in the public sphere, because fascist movements have to work hard to get people to see violence differently, to see it as something positive and saving the nation as freedom fighters, and this is what the gop is doing. Its all terrifying. Ruth, thank you for your time. I appreciate it. Now its time for rachel. Thank you, chris, appreciate it. The Britain Invasion in afghanistan in 1939. They were in charge in india right next door. They reached as the British Empire extended around the world. They were worried that the regime in charge in afghanistan in the 1830s. They are worried that they were siding with russia instead of them, giving russia too much influence in a place where