Repeatedly making 55,000 phone calls, sending 33,000 emails since august 14th. They solved problem after problem to keep the mission moving forward. They did this because this Evacuation Operation was very personal. Many worked Hand In hand for years with afghan partners. Many of whom became trust friends. We also lost Church Members of our foreign Service Community in afghanistan. Well never forget them. Helping americans, our foreign partners who have been by our side for 20 years and afghans at risk at this critical moment was more than just a high Stakes Assignment for our team. It was a sacred duty. The world saw how our diplomats rose the the challenge. U. S. Service members in kabul did heroic work. They are also providing vital support right now caring for afghans on Military Bases in europe, The Middle East and here in the united states. We have seen pictures of u. S. Service members cradling baby, comforting families. Thats the kind of Compassion And Courage our men and women in uniform exemplify. They carried out this mission under the constant threat of violence. Nearly all of them were in their early 20s. Just babies or toddlers on september 11th, 2001. These deaths are a devastating loss for our country. We at the State Department feel them deeply. We have a special bond with the marines. The first person that you see when you visit an American Embassy is a marine. They guard our Diplomatic Missions. They keep us safe Around The World. We couldnt do our jobs would you tell us them and we will never forget their sacrifice nor will we forget what they achieved. The most exceptional among us perform a lifetime work of service in a short time here on earth. So it was for our exceptional brothers and sisters who died last week. Is this operation was a global endevour in every way. Many countries stepped up with contributions. Some are serving as Transit Countries allowing evacuees to be registered and processed on the way to the final destinations. Others have agreed to resettle permanently. Were truly grateful for their support. Now, u. S. Military flights have ended and our troops have departed afghanistan. A new chapter of Americas Engagement with afghanistan has begun. Its one in which we will lead with our diplomacy. A new Diplomatic Mission has begun. Here is our plan for the days and weeks ahead. First, we built a new team to help lead this new mission. As of today, we suspended our diplomatic presence in kabul and transferred the our operations to qatar which will soon be formally notified to congress. Given the uncertain Security Environment and political situation in afghanistan, it was the prudent step to take. Let me take this opportunity to thank ouroutstanding in kabul. Hes done exceptional work during highly challenging times. For the time being, we will use this post to manage our Diploma Si and working with allies, partners and stake holders to coordinate our Engagement And Messaging to the taliban. No one is better prepared to do the job. Help american, foreign nationals and afghans leave afghanistan if they choose. Let me talk briefly about The Americans who remain in afghanistan. We made extraordinary efforts to give americans every opportunity to depart the country. In many cases talking and walking them into the airport. Of those who selfidentified as Americans In Afghanistan who are considering leaving the country, we thus far received confirmation that about 6,000 have been evacuated or otherwise departed. This number will likely continue to grow as our outreach and arrivals continue. We believe theres still a small number of americans, under 200, and likely closer to 100 who remain in afghanistan and want to leave. Were going through Manifest And Calling and texting our list. Well have more to share as soon as possible. There are long time residents in hafrg who have american passports and trying to determine whether or not they wanted to leave. Many are duel citizens americans with deep roots and extended families in afghanistan who resided there for many years. For many, its painful choice. Our commitment to them and all Americans In Afghanistan and everywhere in the world continues. The Protection Welfare of americans abroad remain the State Departments most vital and injuring mission. If an american in afghanistan says they want to stay for now and in a week or a month or a year, they reach out and say ive changed my mind, we will help them leave. Additionally, we have worked intensely to evacuate and relocate afghans who worked alongside us and arent particular risk of reprisal. We have gotten many out, but many are still there. We will keep working to help them. Our commitment to them has no deadline. Third, we will hold the taliban to its pledge to let people freely depart afghanistan. The taliban is committed to let anyone with proper documents leave the place in a safe manner. On friday, a senior taliban official said it again on Television And Radio and i quote, any afghans may leave the country, including those who work for americans if they want and for whatever reason there may be. End quote. More than half the worlds countries have joined us in insist assisting the Taliban Let People Travel Outside Afghanistan freely. As of today, more than 100 countries have said they expect the taliban to honor Travel Authorizations by our countries. Just a few short hours ago, the united Nations Security Council passed a resolution that enshrines that responsibility. Laying the Ground Work to hold the taliban accountable if theys is strong and it will stay strong. The taliban to their commitment on freedom of movement, at risk afghans. Fourth, we will work to secure their safe passage. This morning, i met with foreign ministers of all the g7 country, united kingdom, germany, france, italy, japan as well as qatar, turkey, the European Union and the Secretary General of nato. We discussed how we will work together to facilitate Safe Travel Out of afghanistan including opening the airport as soon as possible and we very much appreciate the efforts of Qatar And Turkey in particular to make this happen. This will enable a small number of charter flights which is a key for anyone who wants to depart from afghanistan moving forward. Were also working to identify ways to support americans, legal permanent residents and afghans who have worked with us and who may choose to depart. We have no illusion that any of this will be easy or rapid. This will be an entirely different phase from the evacuation that just concluded. It will take time to work through a new set of challenges, but we will stay at it. John bass, our former ambassador to afghanistan who returned to kabul two weeks ago to help lead our Evacuation Efforts at the Airport Will Spearhead our ongoing work across the State Department to Help American citizens and permanent residents, citizens of allied nations, special Immigrant Visa Applicants and afghans of high risk if any of those people wish to depart afghanistan. Were grateful for all that john did in kabul, for his commitment to this mission as well as the extraordinary officer who is were serving by his side. The taliban made a commitment for using afghan as a base that could threaten the united states or allies including Al Qaeda and the taliban sworn enemy, isisk. Hereto, we will hold them accountable. We have expectations, that doesnt mean we will rely on the taliban. We will remain individual vigilant on monitoring those ourselves. Let me speak directly to our engagement with the taliban across these and other issues. We engage with the taliban during the past few weeks to enable our Evacuation Operations. Any engagement with taliban led government will be driven by one thing only, our vital national interest. If we can work with a new Afghan Government from way that helps secure those interests, including the safe return of a u. S. Citizen who has been held hostage in the region since early last year and in a way that brings greater stability to the country and protects the gains of the past two decades, we will do it, but we will not do it on the basis of trust or faith. Every step we take will be based not on what a taliban led government says but what it does to live up to its commitments. The taliban seeks international legitimacy and support. Our message is any legitimacy and any support will have to be earned. The taliban can do that by meet ing commitments on obligations by freedom of travel and respecting the rights of women and minority, upholdsing commitment on terrorism. And former an inclusive government that can meet the immediates of the afghan people. Sixth, we will continue our humanitarian assistance to the people of afghanistan. The conflict has taken a terrible toll on the afghan people. Many are facing hunger, even starvation. The Covid19 Pandemic has hit afghanistan hard. The united states will continue to support humanitarian aids to the afghan people consistent with our sanctions on the taliban. The aid will not flow through the government but independent organizations such as u. N. Agencies and ngos. We expect those efforts will not be impeded by the Taliban Or Anyone else. We believe we can accomplish far more and exert far greater leverage when we work in coordination with our allies and partners. Over the last two weeks, we had a series of diplomatic engagements to plan and coordinate. I met with the foreign ministers of nato. I have spoken oneonone with dozens of my counter parts. Last Week President Biden Plet with the leaders of the g7 countries and Wendy Sherman as been convening a group from all regions of the world every other day. Going forward, well coordinate closely with countries in the region and Around The World as well as with leading international organizations, ngos and the private sector. Our allies and partners share our objectives and are committed to working with us. Ill have more to say on these matters in the coming days. The main point i want the Drive Home here today is that Americas Work in afghanistan continues. We have plan for whats next. Were putting it into action. This moment also demands reflection. The War In Afghanistan was a 20year endevour. We must learn itsless sons and allow those lessons to shape ou we think about foreign policy. We owe that to future diplomats, Policy Makers, military leaders, service members. We owe that to The American people. As we do, we will remain relentless si focussed on today and on the future. Well make sure were finding every opportunity to make good on our commitment to the afghan people, including by Welcoming Thousands of them into our communities as The American people have done many times before with Generosity And Grce throughout our history. Well honor those who risk or sacrificed their Lives Part of this long Mission Right up until today. Thank you for listening. Americas 71st secretary of State Anthony Blinken marking the end of americas longest war. 20 years the united states spent in afghanistan Fighting War that followed the 9 11 attacks on the united states. The longest war in our history comes to a close formally today. Some 123,000 people have been evacuated from afghanistan. The largest air lift, i believe probably in world history. Definitely in united states history. Some 6,000 americans among them. Secretary blinken noting that fewer than 200 and possibly closer to 100 americans potentially remain in afghanistan for many complicated reason, family ties, not being prepared to leave in this moment. He vowed that each and every person who wants to leave afghanistan, the united states has no Time Line on that and they will ensure that those people can leave. Secretary blinken thanking the United States Military, singling out the marine who is are fixture as you walk into any federal building. The marines being the Front Line of our fight there at the end, having lost 13 of their own tragically at the end of this war. This war is over. The longest war in u. S. History. My kids were infants when this war began. Many of the people who are fighting the war, many of the marines and military members fighting the war were just children, were just toddlers when 9 11 happened. That war is over for them. Its over for the united states. Talk about what this means. I guess ill start with you representative as somebody who bore the burden of fighting this war. What does it mean to you that its now officially over . Joy, thanks for having me on. As you said in your opening, this war has been with me for my whole life. I broke the news of 9 11 as a middle school newspaper editor. Joined the marines after college. Voted to repeal the authorization for the u. S. Of Military Force in iraq. One of my first votes in congress. While its Front And Center for me for the last 20 years, thats not true for the country at large. Its been at the periphery except a the beginning and the end with bookends terrorist attacks. I think congress should make sure we dont wage endless wars in the future that do not demand the utmost of people. We need to look back wards with investigation of the contact of this war including declassifying all national security decision making. We have to look forward by repealing and putting in place a new war Powers Resolution that gives congress more authority over the waging of war. Maybe most importantly we got to look inside of ourselves. We got to ensure the next time a bush like president tries to bluster their way into a war of choice has some back up. That should come especially from younger veterans like me. Amen. The united states, americans have only had to endure one war on our soil and that was the war we waged against others over slavery and whether it would perpetuate or end. This war was fought on Someone Elses soil. 20 years of the United States Military there. Talk about what this means for the people of afghanistan that its now done. I think in this since its a dark day that 20 years have passed and we put tens of billions of dollars into trying to improve things in afghanistan and ultimately it failed and we have very little to show for it. The fact the taliban has taken over nearly the entire country and that government we put some hope in over the past many years crumbled very quickly. I think that in that sense, theres something theres a lesson learned there in first of all, the u. S. Is not good at state building. Were not good at Reengineering A Society and that hopefully well learn, going forward. Theres still the question, all that is about us. Its about how we understand our own rule but theres the question of what happens to the afghans who have to live under taliban rule. This is where i think theres a real dilemma for the u. S. Secretary Blink Blinken talked about a Diplomatic Mission to try to engage the taliban and hold them accountable. This is also an organization that has killed american troops and we have seen has a Terrorist Movement for many years since 20 01. It will be a delicate dance in how duo that. How do we hold the taliban accountable. We dont want to punish the taliban led government too much because that means the afghans will be caught in the cross fire. Its not ending and we will continue the Pay Attention to afghanistan. Im not very optimistic on that because our tendency as americans is once its out of the news, we move on and its another controversy and its the afghans that will have to suffer as a result while the world turns away from them. Unfortunately, its highly likely the media will turn away. Theres been precious little coverage of this war over the years. You wrote the following, this is about, i think america coming to grips with the fact we cannot rebuild the world. We thought we could after World War ii. Turns out we cant. All of these choices reflected the huberis of afghan traditions. They were the Life Blood of the countrys political country. Few afghans believed in a government they never felt was theirs or wish to wade through the bureaucratic red tape. They kept turning to informal resolution and local figures they trusted and left the door open for the slower turn of the taliban. I want to show the images were used to manipulate the previous president who did want to get out, Donald Trump but also which stick in the mind of people who know anything about afghanistan that was sort of a modernist pieces. Here it is. These images i dont know if we can pull them up. Of afghanistan before the taliban which took over in the 1990s. This modern country with Movie Theaters and women not covered. That kind of idea, do you think, is what fooled america into thinking the part of afghanistan that was cosmopolitan and its something we dont understand. Youre right. I think this was the illusion We Saw after 2001. All these great ambitions about Reengineering A Society, Change Ing A Culture is a difficult thing. Is it really americas role to transform a culture. If afghans want to transform their own culture that is their right and thats their jurisdiction. For us to come in and sort of have this idea of super imposing western institutions on afghanistan. For example, we tried, we supported a very centralized president ial system which was not ideal for afghanistan because its a very divided society along ethnic, religious and linguistic lines. Impose a western style modern legal system with judges and courts in The American image. A lot of afghans have a long Standing Preference for localized solutions and informal Dispute Mechanisms where you have triball elders that get together and try to resolve things very quickly instead of going through a corrupt Central Government that they didnt trust. It doesnt mean they like the taliban. It doesnt mean they have an Extremist Vision of islamic law. Theres a middle ground where you try to respect local cultures as youre trying to make changes. I dont think there was a lot of sensitivity to that. In part because most americans dont have, including Policy Makers dont have the patience to learn about local cultures and to work with local actors in a constructive way. We come in with our own ideas. We say we want to make you into our own image. Thats also not the purpose of war. War is to break things and win battles. I think we get them two conflated. One thing you have to give President Biden, hes had the exact same attitude toward this endless war since he was Vice President under president obama. He did not want to go in and put in more troops. He did not want to nation build. You have to give him courage for having the guts the take the political blow back to be the guy to pull the plug. How are they feeling inside the white House Today about this decision and how confident are they in these international agreements, that sound good, as if the world will be able to put pressure on this new government to do right by The American who is are still there and the afghans who want out . President biden stands firmly by his decision to withdraw u. S. Troops by august 31st. The president had a long history in government, a long history in foreign Policy Experience through the senate and he looked at the afghanistan war and said, we have to end this. We cannot send another generation of americans into this country to die. It is tragic and you can hear the solemnness in the president s voice and White House officials voices when they talk about the most recent Terror Attack and all lives that were lost over the last 20 years in afghanistan. The president is saying now, i made the right decision. When i talk to people close to president and White House officials, they believe history will judge this president as having made the right decision in this moment to pull out of this war. They underscore the idea that war is messy. Not every one we wanted to get out as united states got out. We are leaving some people behind. You heard general mckenzie say theres some heartbreak here. There are people we wanted to get out that are going to be left behind and the white House And President are saying, our commitment to those people does not go away as Diplomatic Mission now move to qatar away from afghanistan. Theres also this feeling there was this massive Evacuation Effort where 123,000 civilians were moved out in the last 18 days in afghanistan. While you feel the heartbreak of White House officials, theres a real feeling this was the right thing to do and they did really have a successful mission in taking people out of afghanistan and also identifying who still wants out. War is messy. Im going to talk to the veterans like yourself, those who served. At the end of the day, very few americans participate in our military and bear the bloody burdens of tearing out our political policies like the one in afghanistan. Speak to those veterans and how are the folks feeling. Tens of thousands of americans and afghans died over the last two decades in a Counter Insurgency that had no end game. While we can win every battle, we would still lose the war because there was no political partnership in kabul or no organic Nation Hood on which to build in afghanistan. Hope is well because Literacy Rates have doubled. The taliban have taken over the country but taking over a different country. I dont want to be disingenious about this. I have a three week old daughter. I do not want her to grow up in afghanistan but theres the glimmer of hope for women and girls there that their society may permanently have changed for the better for their aspirations. Indeed. I think america is doing some growing up this Week And Learning that we are not super man. We are not Captain America from the comics. We can change and solve and remake the world. For gods sake, we cant make our own democracy fully work. We cant get our own population to be vaccinated. Our democracy is teetering as well. We might want to do a little inward looking and fix the one we have here lest we lose it. Thank you for your service. Thank you for being here. Up next, very latest on the catastrophic Damage And Loss of life from hurricane ida. Why were hearing people, even senators Proming Covid quackery like using a Horse Deworming Drug . I say follow the money. Deworming drug i say follow the Mon Ey if you wake up thinking about the market and want to make the right moves fast. Get Decision Tech from fidelity. [ Cellphone Vibrates ] youll get proactive alerts for Market Events before they happen. And insights on every buy and sell decision. With zerocommission online u. S. 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Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty 16 years to the day that Hurricane Katrina devastated louisiana. Hurricane ida slammed into the state with 150 miles an hour winds. One of the strongest hurricanes to ever make landfall in the united states. The storm has left all of New Orleans and more than One Million people throughout the state without power. 911 lines have been restored in New Orleans but are still down in parts of southeast louisiana. So far two deaths are attributed to storm but Louisianas Governor says that number will likely increase. Search and rescue efforts are under way with President Biden saying more than 5,000 members of the national guard have been deployed to help. The storm is slowly moving through mississippi where 85,000 are without power. Storm surge warnings are in effect there as well as on the alabama florida border. A Tornado Hit Southeast Alabama and additional tornadoes are in the area. Give us the State Of Play where you are and around the region. Reporter well, a lot of people in New Orleans are grateful that the 16 Billion that have been invested in the levees and pumps a and drains and gates to stop low lying areas of New Orleans from flooding worked. The one issue in New Orleans that we didnt face from this hurricane was flooding. We have another problem and im here at the entergy New Orleans power station. It stopped. Theres no Electricity Transmission going out. While theres downed trees and Power Lines and Bucket Truck res maring them, that will not fix the problem. Theres the massive Transmission Lines damaged. For most consumers it will be seven to ten days before they get their power back. People in hard hit areas, some of them are outside of it, it may be three weeks or more before they get their power back. It will be some power restored the the next few days but it will go to police, hospitals, to infrastructure. Right now theres nothing. If you dont have a generator in New Orleans and surrounding areas, you dont have enough electricity. Its in the low 80 Degree Temperature right now. Feels closer to 100 because of humidity. That is something people could have managed for three or four days. It becomes difficult when youre thinking about 7 to 10 days or more before they get that done. We know its not all there. The people who stayed, we arent getting any requests for shelter within st. Bernard parrish now. This storm lasted for 14 hours and the wind did not stop. It was relentless. The people are resiresilient. A will the of our citizens evacuated the other areas. They know this process will be between two and three weeks before we get power. The whole region is 100 out of power right now because of those Transmission Lines. We met with Entergy Today and we feel confident in three weeks well be able to get our power on. Within the three weeks well be working ever day nonstop to clean up the debris and get our Power Poles back up and get the debris out of here to make sure that our schools and people can go back to work and get back to a normal life. If people did not shelter, as i recall, Louisianas Vaccination Rate is down in the 40s. If its 40. Do you have a concern now that any sort of sheltering would be largely unvaccinated people sheltering together and even if people were to try to move places like houston and other neighboring places also have hospitals at capacity. If theres injuries. It feels like the Covid Pandemic makes this a lot harder for what you guys have to do. It does. I can tell you the discussion about the pandemic just kind of disappeared on the last two days. Its crazy. Youre right. Here in st. Bernard parish we have a very low. I think it was 37 the last time we checked. We understand that. If theres a need to open up a shelter here, we will. We have people on ventilators. We have people on oxygen. We have elderly people who just Cant Stay in their homes. If that need arises, we stand ready to open up a shelter for either power or just cooling place for people. We live in one of the best countries in the world. We live in the best area of the world. Its responsibility our citizens have to get us back sooner than later. There lies the rub. I watch your show every weekend. Youre wrestling with all of these simultaneous problems. If you could just wrap for us, were talking about pandemic. The other thing people arent talking about is Climate Change which is fueling this thing like gasoline into an engine. Thats a particular issue down here in louisiana. Everybody is feeling Climate Change. This place is getting devastating. A lot of people are employed by the oil industry. As i drove here from houston, it was a six hour drive. A lot of the Build Boards talking about how they were the fiber of eastern texas. Thats a big issue. Both are struggling because they have been at capacity. The Paris President was talk about people on Vent Laters and people with oxygen machines. These medical workers not only completely of worked because of covid but they also dont have power where they live. They are in hospitals working on generaor power. They are going home to hot houses and places that dont have comfort. New orleans dodged the worst of this but this become a more serious matter with covid on the rise in this state. The governor of this state, unlike a couple other states that have low vaccination rate, the governor has been very responsible about trying to ensure that masks can occur where they need to. That people are free to do what they need to do in order to protect themselves. Ali, youre the best. Thank you very much. Stay safe down there. Guy, thank you. Stay safe. Up next, the quack medicine being practiced by the right and why they might be spreading all that misinformation. Well be right back. 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If you know anything about maga 2. 0, the Guiding Principle is money over people. Joining me is Ben Collins and charlie sykes. Charlie, i have to go to you first. You and i share having worked in Talk Radio and what i can tell you is long before there was a maga, Right Wing Talk Radio was creating a separate Sub Country inside the united states where they believe their own facts. They believe the Rush Limbaughs and the mini limbaughs more than they hear on the news. They were already prime for maga before maga got here. You wrote a piece talking about how the same ethic has transferred onto the vaccines and the people who are feeding this at the local level are getting high on their own supply and dropping dead. Yeah. Theres a pattern here. We have the Talk Show hosts who mock the vaccines, mock masks, who are even writemasks, even w of the mask. And then, they contract the disease, themselves. And maybe, too late, they realize they have made a terrible mistake. But it makes you wonder, um, you know, were they doing more than just talking about it . Were they encouraging behavior to the people around them . The people who listen to them who take them seriously and and literally . So, vectors of disinformation but maybe even worse than that. But i have to say something, though. David from made the point after i wrote that saying at least the Talk Show hosts who have been mocking the vaccines and then refuse to get the vaccines, and then get sick and die. Um, at least theyre not hypocrites. At least theyre walking the walk, unlike the folks from Fox News who are mocking the vaccines while being vaccinated, themselves. So at the at the top of the Food Chain, you have people who are completely hypocritical. Who as we know, Fox News as a requirement that everybody has to be vaccinated. So what they are doing is theyre spreading this antivax message to their own supporters. But theyre not living it, themselves. So, as tragic as it is that you have these Talk Show hosts who have succumb to the Covid Karma of getting the disease themselves and dying. It is a tragic these are tragic stories. At least they walk the walk unlike the Tucker Carlsons and Laura Ingrams of the world. Thats why i equate them to lower Level Drug dealers because people at fox are in a database they have to put their name in that says they are vaccinated. He is not going to get sick and die. They are at the you know, Osama Bin Laden level of telling people to blow themselves up, right . And so, but down the Food Chain, you do have people. And listen, the Supplement Thing has been big in Talk Radio. So can you talk a little bit about that part . Plus, the fact that some folks are making money on this . Yeah. There is this culture of supplements and, you know, these kind of pills, for example, ivermectin is now the big thing in this space. Ivermectin is a pill that is you know its an antiparasitic. Theres no proof it works on covid. Uhoh. I think we got we got okay, youre back. You froze for a moment. Try again. Sorry about that. Yeah. Go ahead. Well, yeah. Yeah. No. We very quickly, its an antiparasitic so its not the same thing. However, like theyre in these spaces selling this has become an enormous thing. Selling consults to get the ivermectin has become an enormous thing, too. Thats over the last year. The same people selling hydroxychloroquine are selling this now. So its its a whole ecosystem of sort of treat yourself with this thing but dont trust whatever the government gives you and in this case, the government is just the vaccine. And, you know, charlie, what people need to understand is if you are one of these Lowlevel Sort of doctors, you probably cant buy an ad on Fox News. Its too expensive but you can buy local Talk Radio. You can even buy local rgional Talk Radio pretty cheap. This is a way you can push stuff. And if you can push that on social media, which is even cheaper. I think we have got to start thinking about the fact that there are marks and there are people who are selling to the marks and they dont care if those people die. No. And Thats Something to keep in mind here. Look. You almost have the politicians who are willing to exploit the sense of that they are against the elites, dont trust the elites, trust me. Um you know, it is interesting how antielitist politics has morphed and believe no expert. Dont believe the medical experts so you have politicians who and again, this has become part of this Maga Universe that, you know, dont trust those people, trust me. We have the key to the secret knowledge. And i do think its kind of a tell. You know, how on conservative Talk Radio and i was part of it but we never pushed supplements. We never pushed drugs. Came i guess maybe a little bit later. I think it was after you and i were both in it yeah. But whats interesting is how this is a little bit like the drug dealer. Try it. You know, lets have people experiment. I thought Ron Johnsons Comment ron Johnsons Position is is bizarre but also very interesting. What he says is he is pushing the the horse dewormer. He is raising questions about the vaccine. And at one point, he says to a Talk Show host, just try em all. Which is profoundly bad medical advice. I am not a doctor. Im not playing one on your show but there is no doctor in the world who would say hey, you know what . Just go in your Medicine Cabinet and just take a whole bunch of stuff you dont know anything about it. Just give it a shot. Your Medicine Cabinet. Your dogs Medicine Cabinet. Your horses Medicine Cabinet. So this is where this antielitist, antiexpertise politics has brought us into this bizarre world where you have politicians pushing drugs at the same time they are discouraging people or undermining the campaign to have them take the vaccines that, in fact, do work. The last thing i want you to end this on because then you have the people like governor desantis. Who is pushing go ahead and let covid in, and then take this regeneron that just happens to benefit him politically, thats his biggest donor. Every move hes made, including hooking up with Scott Atlas and other people who are pushing Mass Infection and then treat with regeneron, that happens to benefit me financially. That, to me, is very suspicious. Well, in part, its a calculation that he has to zag when everyone else is zigging here because, you know, the vaccine works. And in the Talk Radio sphere over the last year, all you would hear is the vaccine doesnt work. Its not going to work. Its actually a secret plot. Or you can you can get to whatever level of crazy you want to get to from there. So in order to maintain that status where he was secretly correct, he has to be right about this in some other way other than the vaccine being really the way out of this thing. Yeah, the bad thing is then he gets to collect Campaign Money as a result when people die. Its really, really sick. Ben collins, charlie sykes, thank you guys, very much. I want to thank you guys all for hanging with us. We got through it and thank you all for hanging with us. That is tonights reidout. All in with Chris Hayes is up next. Dont go anywhere. In with chri next dont go anywhere. Parodontax acr kills Plaque Bacteria at the Gum Line to help keep the Gum Seal tight. New parodontax active gum repair toothpaste. You need an ecolab scientific clean here. And here. Which is why the scientific expertise that helps Operating Rooms stay clean now helps the places you go too. Look for the Ecolab Science certified seal. 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