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Donald trump and Kamala Harris a lot of signs it is barrelling forward, it is on and that is the trumpian way it has been publically debated. Yes, they debate the debates these days. But trump did post online he will debate harris. That reflects a further reiteration of what he expected. He claimed he will do and wants to do the debate but theres been squabbling over the details. But tonight we have public statements from both sides and the moderators, abc hosts, that this is still on in philadelphia september 10th. Trump was threatening to skip the debate and the Microphone System whether it was being held over or not. Reports that team trump wanted to stay with the muted microphones used in the biden debate but not the way it was done in past cycles. Harris wanted them open, and discussions are ongoing in those details. Kamala harris has not had as many events in the public spotlight which is understandable as we reported. They beat the rnc in terms of Television Ratings narrowly, they had a huge week they were on everyones mind this is the last slow summer week before labor day and the kickoff of the full campaign season. That doesnt mean theyre not planning things. Today Kamala Harris announced shell do her first formal interview since becoming the nominee. And itll be with her popular and well accepted running mate. This is going to be a joint interview. I can tell you, you probably know this and any journalist will tell you, this is a big get we congratulations cnns dana bash scoring the big interview. Its scheduled to air on thursday night. Thats a big night going into the holiday weekend. There were efforts by republicans and others saying harris was completely dodging interviews whether this quiets them at all remains to be seen. We know where itll take place. The National News on National Stories i can be honest with you and tell you you probably know, president ial campaigns are all about the states. And not all 50 are treated equally. As we get closer to the general election, fall period and early voting some states matter a ton more. Georgia is one of them. Thats where this interview takes place, coincides with harris and walz Doing A Bus Tour through there. Georgia was a place they showed they could beat back trump not just the supposed blue wall in the midwest but they beat them there in 2020 and picked up the senate seats as well. This Cycle Georgia may not be a must win state, polling shows a tight race, i told you how this works. Trump is up by about 4 points in a poll that has a margin of error of plus or minus four points. Today we also learned President Biden will join harris on the trail for the first time next week in pennsylvania. Why does that matter . You might have seen at the convention, day one was bidens and he ceded the ground back to harris. And yet on key issues, domestically the people who biden brought together in 2020, democrats watched the convention and loved the unity but wondering how it works, those are people that joe biden has a connection, a history. The only person that beat trump in the Electoral College in a president ial race. Them getting out for harris and helpful for the base. No one suggested that joe biden is key to winning over new people or hes doing 51 . Thats one of the reasons democrats wanted him to step aside. When it comes to key states, joe biden going out in places where democrats think he has a following and matters and continuing to show this is a unified front, well, thats something that not only Kamala Harris draws on, but lets be clear, something her opponent cannot draw on. We didnt see any former president s out in force at the convention let alone in key states they might matter. A contrast with trump and the lack of unity with the traditional history of the Republican Party. Theres news that harris is making inroads with the flip of the coin. I told you how some of the republicans, including former president s arent all in with President Trump and some of their aids are going towards Kamala Harris. This is new. About 200 aides to bush, mccain and romney coming together, making it count in a big open letter they say we have disagreements with harris, plenty of them, but, quote, the alternative is simply untenable. Retired Bush Administration general chiming in to endorse the democratic ticket. This shows follow through with specific names and specific republicans on what the dnc tried to tout. The idea this is more than one or two random people or one or two trump turn coats weve seen many people work for trump and leave him. No, Kamala Harris is trying to argue as she showed at the convention they have a lot of conservative independent and republican support including veterans of the trump white house. The Republican Party is no longer conservative. I love my country more than my party. Our party is not civil or conservative. Its chaotic and crazy. I resigned from the Trump Administration as a republican who dreamed of working in the white house, it was a hard decision, but as an american it was the right one. Lets turn the page. Lets put country first. When she takes her oath of office we will have a Commander In Chief that we can trust. That was unusual. It was striking. And while the convention is something that many politicos live together and we showed online in the coverage last night that we can see tens of millions of people followed parts of it, some of it was so big and exciting and the obamas and the performances and the musical role call the republican part i showed you did not get as much attention as it would have in other cycles. But i can tell you, as a factual matter, we havent seen a convention in the last several decades with this contrast. It happens to benefits the democrats and i would tell you the truth if it didnt and went the other way. One major Party Candidate is completely abandoned by the former president s in that party and former major officials, and is out there just saying the state, the party is me. To paraphrase a Little French for donald trump. While the other candidate is drawing on the united front of their party there are obviously differences and disagreements with bill clinton and Bernie Sanders and a bunch of other figures but they all came together for harris and shes reaching across the line and getting these other republicans. You heard tim walz and others talk about how the Republican Party has become just weird under donald trump and they mean that as not only a characterture or ernl personalized insult they mean it with his under lined policies in other words the way he walks and talks. I wanted to share this with you as we see the news about so many republicans coming towards harris. All this talk about the party turning weird, you can date it all the way back to former president george w. Bush listening to Donald Trumps inaugural speech during that shock wave when he first came to power and it was reported, the hill reported it out, not the thing that push usually says in public but having listened to that odd, discordant and at times angry inaugural address, bush that it was, quote, some weird blank, we dont say that word on the news. But you can figure it out. So its a parallel all these years later, democrats saying in public what so many people in the Republican Party worried about in private, stuck with this clearly allegedly weird leader. Utah senator and former republican president ial nominee mitt romney has been more public than george w. Bush. As you look at whether donald trump should get power again. These former romney aids are supporting harris today and they know what their boss said when posed and presented with this question, should donald trump have power again and mitt romney was one of the few republicans who voted to convict him for the insurrection. All the way back in 2020. The grave question, the Constitution Tasks Senators to answer is whether the president committed an act so extreme and egregious that it rises to the level of a high crime and misdemeanor. Yes, he did. Accordingly, the president is guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust. Theres no question he has authoritarian rulings and interests and notions he will try to impose. Thats dangerous for the country. Romney speaking out there after january 6th, 2021. And again later. Dangerous for the country. Now we hear so much about the blue wall and democrats have their work cut out for them. Tim walz himself mentioned at the convention he views the race as still a touchdown approaching the fourth quarter, give or take. Thats the blue wall. But what about the red wall. What about thefa in line and are loyal and donald trump is resilient . Are we seeing the red line crumble is it not only because of the weirdness as alleged by president bush and tim walz alike is it not only because of Donald Trumps problems or is it because in some small part the opponent, Kamala Harris was doing what President Biden was not doing six weeks ago, saying come over, lets get this done. Its time to move on. I pose that question to our commercial guest misha cross whos been all over this Campaign Race when were back in 90 seconds. Ack in 90 seconds in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. Im under 7. Ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. Im lowering my risk. 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Part of that is due to the fact that donald trump has been not only aggressively weird but things he promised republicans didnt follow throw that. People are tired of the vengeance and grievance politics. People want to see an economy that, works for them, afford the first home, get to the middle class and stay there. There are so many things that Kamala Harris campaign and vision for the future offers that Donald Trumps does not. Because this Campaign Cycle in and of itself he has allowed himself to unravel. Attacks on race, attacks on gender. The crazy things hes saying across truth social. This is the Weirdest Campaign ive seen run. Hes out selling Playing Cards with his face on them right now. This is strange. And republicans are finding it hard to align behind it. Also the more donald trump runs the more republicans down ballot are going to lose. Theyre not going to try to keep this man on top while he pretty much destroys their party along the way. There are options theyre looking at that include Kamala Harris and paying attention to the fact they dont have to agree with everything that is part of the Democratic Party line but there are things with donald trump they dont want to see move forward. They dont want to see a ewe tearian executive, an america where there are no checks and balances for the white house. And they dont want to see a commander in many chief that stomps on the contributions of our Military Service men and women. You mentioned the Playing Cards which i didnt think was huge, political National News but it is a thing that donald trump is back to that. A lot of people look at that as in the hole pocket of grifting and selfpro motion. One can argue its part of campaigning but it doesnt work well if its the core or the only thing youre doing. In florida Rolling Stone is reporting that the Trump Campaign is Running Tv Ads not in some targeting area they think is important but just around maralago to help him and his ego and as you know, a dollar spent could be a dollar wasted if its not an important place in the country while harris has pulled in over half a billion. How much is Donald Trumps lack of discipline play into this . For people who dont like him they may say hes always the worst, end of story. Thats the analysis. You follow politics closely. Donald trump in 2016 did talk about issues, peoples lives. He had a critique of the swamp which he claimed would affect their well being. Here you have a 90 minute speech that fox viewers turned off. You have money wasted in florida for himself, you have the Playing Cards. There seems to be evidence hes less disciplined. He is less disciplined and his Campaign Team is better than the last two times around. This is about the candidate himself. Your Campaign Team can only do so much to salvage you. Donald trump is running a vengeance campaign hes angry. This isnt about the people, the Republican Party, down ballot races this is about donald trump invoking his vengeance on everyone he believes has done him wrong. In addition to not being ready to debate, converse with, go toetotoe with on the Campaign Trail against a black women. For donald trump this is something he never wanted to do, his two biggest things he hates the most happen to be women and people of color, he sees both of those in Kamala Harris this is a difficult thing for him to have to overcome. He cant control himself. Look to his truth social, this is who that man is. They cant reel that in, his campaign, and i dont think he can either. There arent enough maga centric voters out there to carry him through the finish line. What the democrats have done and Kamala Harris and walz have done is shown there are places in play making the map different than a month ago and going to areas that traditionally democrats did not. Theyre not just atlanta centric in georgia theyre taking the bus tour to the most rural parts of the state. Theyre showcasing what the Ticket Offers for people who arent Traditional Democratic voters and that matters because the south for the longest was left behind and its high time to let us understand for the future and the Democratic Party as well. All makes sense. Good to check in with you. Our thanks. Let me tell you whats coming up, focus on the youth vote, which is part of the Obama Coalition. We have a breakdown on that. But first the breaking news news i mentioned at the top of the hour. Jack smith back on offense. We got the super ceding indictment, david kelly is here, thats next. G indictment, david kelly is here, thats next. Sales stacking champion of checkouts. 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The times reporting on the new indictment saying much of the old indictment remains untouched. Trump faces the same four charges. So, this is jack smith saying we will follow the law and we think theres a way we can continue to bring this case, the bulk of it the same against defendant trump but also adjusted where they felt the law required them to. Thats what happened when you get a new court ruling. They removed details about how trump tried to use the doj to overturn Election Results or created lies and fraud. And removed Jeffrey Clark, a trump ally at the doj who was listed. Interfering with the doj was one of those plots we marked several as arrows. And you might see down there doj sbr feerns. Its one of the things that happened later third to the bottom in december 2020. Now the doj following the Supreme Courts orders is stating this is an official act. You can see the doj interference well put that back up may have still occurred. That is to say there was a plot, if we can get the arrow up im going to show you again. There it is. The plot to get the doj to interfere still occurred. Whats different now this is why the Supreme Court is powerful you can see we changed it to green because theyre saying thats official, not eligible to be charged as a federal crime. Smith also has been busy appealing a ruling to try to keep alive the classified documents case in florida. The Supreme Courts immunity ruling relates to that as well. That momentous decision by the Supreme Court ruling former President Donald Trump is entitled to some immunity from prosecution. Justice Clarence Thomas took things a step further and said were not sure even the appointment of a Special Counsel named jack smith was legal. That gave judge cannon a green light if they wanted to go in the direction she took it with a 93 page opinion dismissing the indictment in its entirety. This is Justice Thomas telegram to judge cannon coming to its full fruition. So jack smith has been dealt setbacks in the lower court and Supreme Court. The news here when taken together he is trying to get the florida case basically rebooted, and a lot of legal experts think a higher court that is less friendly to trump would probably allow that and trying to maintain the coup trial while acknowledging what the Supreme Court said about official acts. Im joined by david kelly, my former boss. Welcome back, david. Nice to see you. How are you, ari . Im good, busy times end of summer and then we get the jack smith Superceding Indictment today. You handled cases like this its unusual to have the Supreme Court jump in in the middle and create whats basically new law but jack smith has to play by the rules. What do you see him doing in the new Coup Indictment today . From an old prosecutors perspective, i think jack smith is being appropriately relentless. And he has really carefully tailored this indictment. Its gone from 45 pages to i think 36 pages. As you point out, the big thing was the pulling out of the Jeffrey Clark routine, trying to convince the Justice Department on to come out with the false statements about the Election Fraud. The other thing i missed was they also pulled out the Attorney General advising the former president that there was no Election Fraud. I think that was a nice piece of proof that they dont have anymore. But i tell you what, the indictment as it reads now, as mind blowing as it was before, from a trial tactician perspective, dont make perfect the enemy of the good. Theres an awful lot in this indictment that just screams out for kind of Slam Dunk Area in terms of what theyre going to be able to prove, their charges. So theres a you know, i think a lot of peoples initial reaction when the Supreme Court came out its been eviscerated and i think jack smith came through here with a Superceding Indictment, as you point out, having another grand jury find beyond a reasonable doubt that excuse me, beyond probable cause to believe that a crime was committed here. And theyve done an awfully nice job. Well see how the judge rules to determine whether or not it was properly tailored in accordance with the Supreme Court ruling. When i say appropriately relentless, because it comes at the same time as you point out that hes filed his appeal with the judge cannon ruling. I think theres another really strong argument there that judge cannon has ignored decades, if not in fact, i think jack smith points out centuries of procedures here where the appointments provisions were upheld for this type of appointment of him. I guess its one of the arguments i think he makes is that the Attorney General officially appointments assistant United States attorneys. My certificate was signed by Attorney General edward piece. But this goes back to saying if this Attorney General garland cant appointment jack smith he cant appoint an assistant u. S. Attorney of which there are many across the country to prosecute cases. So i think he made good cases for the prosecution on the Election Fraud case and i think hes done a really nice job of appealing and articulating the strong arguments that he has with regard to appealing judge cannons ruling. I have a minute left with you. Let me read one other part from jack smith. He said trump the defendant had no official responsibilities for the certification because youre not in charge of certifying your own win or loss but saying he had a personal interest as a Candidate Being named winner of the election. What do you think jack smith is saying back to the Supreme Court . I remind viewer yeah but the one thing let me finish one thought. Yes. David, i want to say the Supreme Court was trying to help trump but they left the door open they could have said we tossed the whole thing were the Supreme Court. But they did a split and jack smith answers saying give me a break, he was a candidate at the insurrection he wasnt a Government Official dealing with his own loss. Thats a great point because a big chunk of this Superceding Indictment focuses on Vice President and the president s efforts to have him play a role that he didnt really have other than ceremonial in the senate to reject the electors. That as well as his speech on the ellipsis was really, as jack smith said, okay, guess what, he wasnt acting as president. He didnt have official duties with regard to certification of electors he didnt have official duties when he made those speeches. What he did, what he was, it was in his campaign thats probably where the rubber hits the road here in terms of the judges challenges in determining how well he has tailored this indictment down to the Supreme Court ruling right down to the Certification Process and his interactions with mike pence. Let me say one thing, notwithstanding, thats an important part of the case, i think its a powerful point of the case. I think even if the judge tears that away which i dont think she will do. The rest of it with the fake electors and the conspiracy to defraud the United States and americans of their right to have the vote counted i think those are very strong cases he has there. Really interesting. Prosecutor david kelly, thank you. Ill fit in a break and when we come back, the obama playbook that harris aides think they can use to win. By breakdown next. Use to win by breakdown next. i wish i had someone like evan when i started. Somebody just got their first debit card ice cream on you . 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But notice how democrats were seen as more in line with the Younger Generation kept trending downhill. 18 is a fine margin for Hillary Clinton but it was too tight in many states had she had the young voters she might have won back michigan or wisconsin and biden in 2020 went back up, 25 points. You see the theme here. Winning Democratic Candidates tend to do in the 20s, 30s and above as part of their coalition. Biden was not doing as well. Im sure you heard it, he was only up about 6 points in the same voting demographic compared to trump. Take it together and you can see this is one area like other areas that biden had a challenge that had veterans of democratic campaigns nervous. If you are breaking even with young voters against trump you are probably not on the road to winning an election. Harris has been in for a month and her numbers are similar, a couple of points higher. Her aides say it is going in the right direction. 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Many parts of the dnc were different this year we covered the musicians, stevie wonder, the musical role call but a main stage that doesnt get the elected members of congress up to speak it was striking to see the organizers make time for young activists and digital democrats they made videos and spoke from the main stage to their followings. People my age are making Big Decisions about our lives and we deserve a president who has our back. Im so honored to be here today at the dnc. This is the campaign of love and the campaign of joy. Vote for hope, not hate, yall. As the saying goes, if youre not at the table youre on the menu. So gen z, lets take our seat in our democracy and cast our ballots this november for Kamala Harris and tim walz. It was a different approach and while theres the happiness and unity on the main stage i covered and worked around politics long enough to tell you there were members of congress jockeying saying why did that person get to go and not this person who already won races . Its a sign theres a focus by harris team on the races yet to be won. Npr reports they want to take the Internet Buzz which weve seen and make sure it translates to registration and actual votes this fall. So were not just going to talk about whats changing or going on with the youth vote here on the beat were going to set aside time to listen. We had three influencers who were at the dnc, deja fox, whos been with us before, olivia juliana, Political Activist and parker short returning here. President of the georgia Young Democrats who also was seen dancing his way into the hearts of many to Kendrick Lamar at that rally a month or so ago. There he was whop whop whop. Welcome back to all of you. Thanks for having us. Great to have you here. Absolutely. Deja, you are not new to this, but you are younger than i would say not only the typical Dnc Main Stage speaker but just about all of them. What does it mean that harris is doing this and how did it feel for you just as a person . Man, for me it was a dream realized. I am nearly a decade in the reproductive rights work despite being only 24 i worked for Kamala Harris when i was just 19 as one of the younger staffers in history full time on the digital staff on that first president ial run. So getting to see my candidate of choice on stage getting the nomination and also influencers Playing A Key Role My Past Position in a strategy i got to see come full circle was so many ways to me. Olivia we have more sound of this, lets take a look of both of you. I was a free lunch kid raised in Public Housing and i got my health care at planned parenthood. The fact is, our right to vote is under attack. Donald trumps republicans are making it harder for us to vote. Same question to you, what does it mean and how did it feel . It means so much to me. Not only because i think it really highlights that the Harris Campaign and the dnc is taking youth voices very seriously. But for me being from texas the fact i get to say i spoke on the same stage as women like my late mentor Sheila Jackson lee means so much for me. And im excited about what this means for the party as a whole engaging with young people. Parker, one reason younger people tend to vote less is that they are busy getting their lives in order. Weve seen that tendency in many countries. The other reason could be that the parties dont often really target, engage or listen to them. How do you think the Harris Campaign is doing on that front . Well, as a youth organizer, somebody whos been involved in Democratic Politics in georgia since i was 14, i know from personal experience that democrats are trying to reach out to young people. I know both of our other guests all of us at the convention we had more than 1,000 young delegates. That is not an easy position to get you have to show up to the meetings, get elected, you got to care and get involved but with 1,000 delegates from all over the country i had so many young folks come up to me from texas, tennessee, alaska and fo vote is another thing. I know this campaign is more dedicated and focused to reaching out and supporting and hearing young people than any other National Campaign ive ever seen. Wow. On a lighter note, deja, did you see how much coffee parker drinks . Did you get any read on that . Because every time we have seen him in the tiktoks or when nobody is looking, he seems caffeinated. Listen, we all needed to be caffeinated to be out there. As Content Creators, most of us have fulltime jobs outside of this, things that we are experts in, work that we are doing, and we are also a oneperson show, editing, filming, styling our content, so caffeine is well earned. Olivia, how do you feel about the way this has evolved . Because in the obama era, that was back long enough, and im going to date myself, but that was back long enough ago where people would talk about epolitics, ecampaigning, email, we dont do that with phones. Anyone who has been around campaigns knows phone banks are a thing. We dont talk about phone politics. Theres something about recent or new technology that people get kind of really stuck in the mud about, and then a decade or two later were like, right, thats just life, and obviously, if i may, some of your generation is growing up with these tools, so theyre part of life. Its not everyone whos young is always making their own videos. People do it their own way. You have grown up in this milieu, what can you teach us or our viewers who may not be on tiktok every day about whats changing . Ill date myself. I was in kindergarten when barack obama won his first president ial election. But the epolitics aspect of this is i think it was very clear talking to young people there at the convention. I had a young man come up to me. He said, i started watching your tiktoks four years ago, i was 14, and now im the youngest delegate from new mexico. He just turned 18. That is the tangible impact that this social media politics atmosphere has had is that it is actually mobilizing young people on the ground to get involved in their communities. Like parker said, thats a real thing that we saw with not just the delegates but you had young people on the platform committee, the rules committee, the credentials, they are very much getting involved in the democratic process, and it is extremely exciting and a worthwhile investment. Parker, go ahead. Well, you know, i couldnt agree more. Out of the ten people that were on our committees from the state of georgia, five of them were Young Democrats and they are five of my best friends. I was really glad to see that representation, and ill be frank with you all, i became an influencer out of nowhere. Im not the biggest fan of tiktok, you know, i called my senators when the bill came up. I genuinely did not want to go on social media to make these videos. I have a Public Policy degree from the university of michigan. I have been working in politics enough to know whats at stake. If my silly caffeinated self can go on camera and tell people about what gerrymandering is or why Ballot Initiatives matter, or why its so hard to vote in georgia, and you cant register within 30 days of an election, and lines at the polls and absentee ballots, im happy to do that. I have a responsibility to help other people in this generation, and keep people in the fight that these folks have been in for so long. That was so real. I went viral unexpectedly when i was 16 for an interaction, bird dogging, if youre an organizer, you know what that means, jeff flake, around his efforts to defund planned parenthood. That was my first viral video that launched my career as a content creator. I want to flag something as we look to the future. The nature of what it means to be a public figure, to be a political figure is changing and at the root of it is an aspect of Content Creation and personal brand building and monitoring and creating a persona online. I hope that as we look forward to what Content Creators contribute to these spaces, we dont flatten us, this profession or this role, but we really look at how extensive it is, and what an asset it will be to political figures Going Forward and really what an essential skill it has become. Really key point for people to keep in mind, and you get the last word as we say sometimes around here, with a shoutout to lawrence of course, deja, olivia and parker, thank you to each of you sharing what you have been up to and educating us and we will be right back. Blood thinners behind. For life. Weve cut our stroke risk and said goodbye to our bleeding worry. With the watchman implant. Watchman. Its one time, for a lifetime. To me, harlem is home. But home is also your body. I asked myself, why doesnt pilates exist in harlem . So i started my own studio. Getting a Brick And Mortar in new york is not easy. Chase ink has supported us from studio one to studio three. When you start small, you need some big help. And chase ink was that for me. Earn up to 5 cash back on Business Essentials with the chase ink business cash card from chase for business. Make more of whats yours. Molly leaving was one thing. But then i thought moms weak bones might keep us stuck on the couch. 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I had a lengthy 30minute joint interview with then senator Kamala Harris about criminal Justice Reform at a former prison in philadelphia. This was back in 2019, heres a short clip. If were going to be true to our values and if we want healthy communities, if we want to be true to the values of redemption, we have to agree that the Incarceration System of america is one of the greatest failures of Public Policy in our country. It is truly. It has been the emphasis has been on punishment. The emphasis has been on pushing people out instead of allowing people a way back in. A way back in. Something she knows all about as a former prosecutor. We have today just posted the entire 30minute interview with Kamala Harris. As i mentioned, its from 2019 but it is relevant right now. You can go to msnbc. Com ari. Thats msnbc. Com ari. Its the top thing on our you tube play list. Let me know what you think of it. Its an important time to look at her in the 30minute discussion we held. 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