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In that exact part of the country. The hurricane is called ida. It looks particularly worrying because its large already. Because its moving slowly. Because the Storm Surge and rainfall amounts associated with it are epic. And because it is due to track over some very, very unusually warm waters on the way toward land. As a general rule of thumb, with offshore storms like this, the warmth of the Ocean Temperatures that the storm passes through on their way to land, those temperatures translate pretty directly to fuel for the energy of the storm. So, again, i know A Million things are going on now. It doesnt feel like weve got the Band Width to handle another disaster, but here she comes. Hurricane ida is going to be a big part of your News Diet over the weekend, obviously, if you are in the path of the storm, you need to pay close attention to public warnings and Evacuation Orders. Its a big one. Its one worth taking seriously. Well have more on that later on this hour. Also, in afghanistan, as we speak, it is just about dawn in kabul after the Isis Suicide Bombing at the Kabul Airport. The u. S. Military Evacuation Air Lift was able to get another 12,500 People Air lifted out of the airport in the past 24 hours, which is remarkable. The largescale evacuation effort, though, is expected to end soon. A huge long list of our western allies have stopped their own Evacuation Efforts now and left entirely, that includes great Britain And Germany and spain and lots of our other close allies. The united States Military, that said, is still there. U. S. Flights are still leaving. As the days of this Evacuation Order grows shorter, the White House is warning that the risk for another Isis Attack targeting the airport is very high and growing as more time passes. We heard the warnings all day today. It makes sense. If isis thinks it wants to hit u. S. Servicemembers again, they know the time is short to do so as u. S. Servicemembers are on the way out. Each remaining hour becomes more dangerous than the last for u. S. Servicemembers who are still there. I will tell you, just in the few minutes, within the last 10 minutes, we have received word that the u. S. Embassy has put out another very specific warning. This is important because they put out a warning like this hours before the terrible Isis Bombing that claimed the lives of the servicemembers and the dozens of afghan civilians. Just within the last 10 minutes, the u. S. Embassy put out another specific and urgent warning. U. S. Citizens who are at the east gate, north gate, or new ministry of Interior Gate at the Kabul Airport now should leave immediately because of Security Threats at the Kabul Airport, Weapon Advise u. S. Citizens to avoid traveling to the airport and to avoid airport gates. Any u. S. Citizens at any of named gates should leave immediately. Its out moments ago. The Death Toll of afghan civilians from Yesterdays Attack has been revised up from this time last night. At this point, its 170, by some counts. Its nearer to 200 by some other accounts. In any case, its intolerable. The total among u. S. Military servicemembers from the bombing stands at 13 with 18 injured. 11 are united states marines, 1 is a u. S. Navy corps. Man. The individual names of some of the servicemembers who are killed are starting to appear in some media sources. The pentagon is not expected to officially announce the names of all of those killed until this weekend. Until after the notifications of their families have been made. The notifications are expected to include personal calls from President Biden to the families of each servicemember who was killed. Well Expent Pentagon official information to names once the notifications are done. Today here at home, umm, supreme Court Justice Stephen breyer has given an interview to the new york times, he doesnt intend to stay on the Supreme Court until he dies. This is actually the first time Justice Breyer said such a thing. Justice breyer, in this interview, expressed for the first time, he understands it matters who chooses his replacement. He expresses he understands it might not be ideal for his legacy if he were replaced on the court with, say, a right Wing Justice who is opposed to everything Justice Breyer stands for. I know those things sound like elementary admissions. I would prefer not to die in this job and matters who replaces me. But Justice Stephen Breyer has never copped to understanding those things or placing value on those things before. Its the first interview in which he talked about those things in those ways. Democrats and liberals have been wondering wondering wondering is a nice word. Wonder, basically since Bidens Inauguration Day why Justice Breyer was not retiring or stepping down while there is a precious window of a democratic president to choose his successor. A narrow democratic senate to confirm his successor. Democrats and liberals have been wondering why he hasnt taken the opportunity to retire now since inauguration day. They are still wondering that today but with this interview, for the first time, Justice Breyer himself is publicly engaging with the idea that what he decide here matters for the country and that maybe if he could take action personally to avoid there being a 72 conservative majority on the court for another generation, you know, that might be a worthy part of his legacy. Maybe. No rush. No one push. Nobody is pushing. Since the existing conservative majority on the Supreme Court has ripped the guts out of the federal voting Rights Act and successive rules, the fight for Voting Rights has become celebrate and more creative. Including creative and desperative protesting this summer. This weekend were expecting large marches for Voting Rights in dozens of u. S. Cities, including potentially Tens Of Thousands of people marching in washington, d. C. , tomorrow. Were going to have, again, more on that coming up later on in the show. Were watching all those stories. I want to start with tonight, though, is with the story we have been working on for awhile now. A story you may have seen headlines about in recent days. For example, you live in lafayette, louisiana, your daily newspaper may be the daily advertiser. Here is the front page of the daily advertiser from this morning. You see the Big Front Page picture. Their A1 Feature on the terrible bombing at the Kabul Airport yesterday. Next to that, on the righthand side, tropical Storm Ida Taking Aim at louisiana. Conditions are favorable to become a category iii hurricane. It was from this morning. Forecast is now even worse. Its now looking more like a category iv hurricane. Even with those two big stories, really, important stories on the front page. Look at what is their top story above the fold. Dont take horse meds. Thats their main story. Public Health Officer and agricultural commissioner warn against taking Livestock Drug for covid19. Thats the top story today. Even with everything else going on. In lafayette, louisiana. And i have to tell you, some kind of local iteration of that story has run in more than half dozen states in the last few days. In mississippi, a version of that story has been front Page News in multiple papers this week. Weve seen iterations of this same story this week in theres two papers in mississippi where its been front page and iterations of the same story in kansas and missouri and Alabama And Oklahoma and texas and arkansas and florida and tennessee. Those are just ones i happened to pull over the course of the week. Im sure its happening in other states, too but it raises the question of why is it happening now. Why are all over the country but particularly in Red States that are having huge covid surges now, why is this thing happening with Poison Control centers having to come forward saying our calls are about this drug being taken for horses and cows and sheeps. Health officials warning against using this Livestock Drug or antiparasitic drug as if its a covid medicine. Why is this happening everywhere now . Yesterday the cdc put out a national advisory warning the whole country against taking this drug for covid. But also noting that lots of people and lots of states are doing it anyway. The title of the new Cdc Advisory is rapid increase in prescriptions and reports of severe illness associated with use of products containing ier have mick ten to prevent or treat covid19. Most of the new Cdc Advisory is sort of technical detail about what theyre observing about people misusing this drug that is properly used for Deworming Livestock or in the Human Formulation to kill Head Lice or scabies or river blindness, which is caused by a parasite. The new Cdc Advisory ends with specific advice for the public. Be aware that it has not been proven as a way to prevent or treat covid19. Do not swallow products that should be used on the skin. Lotions and creams. Or products that are not meant for human use. Such as veterinarian products. Call the Poison Control hotline if you have taken this and are having symptoms including nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, tremors, seizures, a house nations, confusion, loss of coordination, loss of balance, decreased alertness, and coma. Be sure to call if you have taken this drug that doesnt treat covid but could put you in a coma. The new Cdc Warning follows similar warnings from the fda which earlier in the Year Ivermectin is not approved for the treatment of covid19. Theres similarly dire warnings even from the company that makes the drug. Theres no scientific basis for a potential Therapeutic Effect against covid19. Those other warnings and cautions that this drug does nothing to protect you from getting covid or help you get over it, if you have it, those other warnings are months old. They havent had a Deterrent Effect particularly recently. The new Cdc Advisory out late yesterday is explicit about the harm happening now. The rapid increase in negative consequences associated with people misusing this drug. Despite all the warnings out there for a long time that nobody should be dosing themselves with this thing. Hear it again from the Cdc Advisory. Also, this is a good one. An adult drank an injectable Ivermectin Formulation intended for use in cattle in an attempt to prevent covid19 infection. The patient presented to a hospital with confusion, drowsiness, visual hallucinations, rapid breathing, also tremors. The patient recovered after being hospitalized for nine days. Nine days nine days in the hospital. Drinking injectable ivermectin formulated as an injection you shoot into a cow. Why is this happening now . I mean, to the poor individuals described in the Cdc Advisory but in such large numbers . What is going on now to drive it . And put it on the front pages across the country. To have Poison Control centers in texas, oklahoma, arkansas, mississippi, alabama, all of these states coming forward within the past week to say theyre inundated with calls from americans dosing themselves with these meds that dont treat covid19 and that dont prevent it. These meds that are making people sick, and in some cases, putting them in the hospital. It is not that this is just, like, getting covered now. Theres a big upsurge in this happening now. Prepandemic national prescriptions for this drug, ivermectin, has some legitimate uses in humans for a bad infestation of Head Lice or scabies. Prepandemic there were about 3600 Human Prescriptions of this drug per week nationwide. About 3600. Now . According to the cdc for the week ending august 13th. Its not 3600 per week anymore its 88,000 prescriptions per week now. A 24fold increase from the prepandemic baseline for a drug that neither treats nor prevents covid and can make you very sick and potentially kill you. Why is this happening . Interesting story, it turns out. Do you remember this . This was last summer. July 27th, 2020, it looks like a kind of normal bunch. Doctors in white coats standing at the steps of the Supreme Court. Why are they at the Supreme Court . No idea. Its a nice setting. It looks official. Theyre all wearing white coats. The same white coat with a logo on them. Its from Something Called Americas Front Line doctors. It would later emerge the group was convened by conservative activists who wanted to make it seem like then President Trump Wasnt exactly against doctors. Against medicine and against science and continuing bizarre and false statements about covid and how it was going away on its own like magic. Conservative activist groups wanted to make it seem like President Trump Wasnt siding against doctors but different doctors as represented by these folks standing on the steps of the Supreme Court. And with the permit from a Tea Party Group set by an activist group, this group gave their press conference. They announced covid is no big deal. You dont need to wear a mask or stay away. We said covid is no big deal. If you catch it, dont worry, theres a cure, they said. Covid can be cured with a drug which is an antima leerial but dont let the details screw you up. Star speaker that day was this doctor who said i know you people want to talk about a mask, hello. You dont need a mask. There is a cure. Its called Hyde Driving while intoxicated Si Color Win and zinc. President trump retweeted video of that doctors press conference. They arranged for a white Coat Summit of the members of the group to meet with Vice President Mike Pence in person. Youll recall he was the head of the white House Coronavirus Task force. He met with the group. It later emerged, thanks to roughly five seconds of sleuthing by everybody over the age of 6 with access to google. The doctor who lead the press conference, she maintains that Ovarian Cysts are caused by people having sex with demons in their sleep. Vaccines are designed to make you no longer religious. Thats what vaccines are for. And the u. S. Government, beware, is run by reptiles. Oh, im sorry. No by reptilean people. Also, you shouldnt trust Western Medicine because Western Medicine is made with ail began dna. You dont want alien dna mixed with your good dna. When that proved to be the background on the folks, President Trump confronted with that information said he was still with him. To him, they were impressive. The woman you said was a great doctor in that video that Retweeted Last Night said that masks dont worry and there is a Cure For Covid19 both of which Health Experts said thats not true. She said that doctors make medicine using dna from aliens and theyre trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from i cant i can tell you this. She was on air along with other doctors. They were big fans and i thought she was impressive. Very impressive. What are you saying, youre in favor of Demon Sex and reptile Overlords Dna loving Mask Wearers . But that group of folks promoted and championed by the trump White House ended up becoming a cleb on Fox News Channel where they expressed outrage that group of doctors, their claims about the fake cures for covid were being taken down by facebook and social Media Platforms. With that a boost from the sitting President Of The United States and the Vice President of the united states, but also from the biggest conservative Media Platform in the country, the doctors in that group would go on in following months to leading an antivaccination traveling national road show. Their founder, a doctor named simone gold allegedly took part in the January 6th attack on the united states capitol. She was charged with disorderly conduct. Nbc news reports while shes been released on her own recognizant awaiting trial on the charges, she headlined an antivaccine rally the past weekend in southern california. And now Nbc News, time magazine, and several outlets are reporting what the americas Front Line Doctors Fiasco appears to have morphed into now is a scam. To market horse paste. To market Livestock Deworming and antilice medicine to people who believe, that for some reason, they shouldnt take the Covid Vaccine. To people who believe there is a Cure For Covid. There must be a Cure For Covid but the man is trying to keep it secret but you can find it at a veterinarian clinic. Were not talking about that anyone now we say its ivermectin. This is from Nbc News. It fills prescriptions from an online pharmacy that americas Front Line doctors advertises as a partner, which provides the option to have that prescription delivered right to your door on the same day. On a speak with an md. Com Intake Form viewed by Nbc News, Spefts Pashlgts are asked what medication do you prefer. They are presented with three options. Here is more from time magazine. On the americas Front Line doctors website. People looking for Covid19 Medicine are told to click on a button labelled contact a physician. They pay 90 for a consultation. It takes customers to the website and theyre asked to submit Payment Information and told one of the Front Line doctors will call them within a few days. The group describes it as a Tele Medicine Service with hundreds of physicians trained by americas Front Line doctors. Its something called encore Tele Medicine. Since 2015, it appears to have been run out of a home near a Golf Club in suburban georgia. The orders made go to pharmacy in florida whose address listed online appears to be a white structure near a strip mall. They were supposed to mail the medicine or call it into a local pharmacy. The cost of the medicine is applied on top of the consultation fee. It varies widely from 70 from the medicine to 700, according to Customer Comments from americas Front Line doctors customers. Its not clear how much they get from each patient referral, the service is marketed on the Doctors Group Website for 90. But if you go direct for Tele Medicine consultation, the consultation is charged to just 60. A 30 difference. Americas Front Line doctors declined on comment on whether they receive in financial benefit from the referral. The grown has been using this system to sell the meds since last fall. I moved on from warning you about the reptile people and the threat of the demon spawn. Be careful who you have sex with in your sleep. You never know. They moved on from that to promoting the secret Secure Koours to covid. When that petered out. They kept up the scam saying the vaccine will kill you. Dont wear a mask. Now theyre telling people to pay them money to take the other worthless and potentially dangerous drug instead. Theyll relieve you of a considerable amount of your money in the process. But they will hook you up with a prescription. Theyll hook you up with an online pharmacy to fulfill the prescription. You keep paying them along the way. Maybe someday you get your deworming pills. Customer complaints say they dont always follow through. But stoking the Conspiracy Theories and lies about covid, and stoking demand for the quack. Turns out you can profit for it. Groups like this, the conspiracies like this and Snake Oil salesmen like this have driven a huge surge in people trying to get prescriptions for this drug, which, again, doesnt work against covid. Theyve also driven so much of a demand for it that aside from trying to talk doctors into prescribing it or finding doctors who will prescribe it, people are taking matters into their own hands. Trying to source themselves without their prescription. Trying to source it at the local Feed Store in a Veterinarian Formulation if you cant get by someone to give you the Human Formulation. This is in mississippi. Coast Line Home and Garden Supply in Gulf Port Cant keep ivermectin on their shelves. They have a difficult time finding the product because local suppliers are out. When we get it, its sold out almost immediately. Every time we try to order it, its back ordered. All of my suppliers are running out. Feed Sack Farm and Garden Story in mississippi also cannot keep supply on their shelves, according to a manager who said theyve had trouble buying the drug from suppliers. Interest in that story began about three weeks ago. They want it to be on the safe side in the long rough but i dont recommend it because we sell it for dogs and horses and cattle, said the manager. The Home And Farm center in gulf port, mississippi also said theyve sold a lot more of the Veterinarian Medicine within the past couple of months. The son of the owner said we sell it as a cattle wormer. I know weve sold a lot more in the past couple of months. Its gone up, definitely. A manager at the George County Coop said theyve seen a sharp increase in the sales. Oh, yes, weve seen a lot more. They say my aunt wanted me to get it. I warn them they dont need to be taking it for personal use. In the back of my mind, i know what theyre using it for, the manager said. I tell them this is going to hurt your kidneys or your liver, especially your liver. Thats all i can say. Got bless that manager at the George County Coop warning people about the Kidney And Liver damage to come for people taking Sheep Formulations of a deworming medication. But its not just your friendly conscious Feed Store clerk frying to help, the mvrsz state Health Officer has been doing his best, too. This is now become an online phenomena. So, you know, the data theyre its curious umm, you know, specialists in the field see it adds no value. Internet pundits think its salvation for all. So, umm, what randomized controls have been done show it doesnt work. That was mississippi state Health Officer Thomas Dobbs speaking on august 11th. As time has gone on, though, for the course of the month, he keeps getting asked. Hes getting exsis per rated with it. You wouldnt get your chemotherapy at a Feed Store. You wouldnt treat your phenomena with your animals medication. It could be dangerous to get the wrong doses of medications especially if its meant for a horse or a cow. Like i said, this is not confined to one part of the country. Its all over the place now. Here is the governor of arkansas trying to talk people off the same ledge. The Department Of Health advises pea to never take any medication intended to treat animals and to only take it as prescribed by their physician. And Doctor Romaroi might have additional items to say. I think it got to the point where its important for us to make that public announcement that you have to be careful and not take that which is designed for large animals. Its got to the point where i seriously have to do this. Just like hydroxychloroquine. Its fine in its own use. A bunch of people on Fox News Channel have promoted the idea that people should take ivermectin as a covid therapeutic or a preventive. They have repeatedly cast out on vaccinations, which are a preventive. This drug has been promoted by like Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson who brought in a guy who called it a Miracle Drug and had that doctor testify to the Homeland Security Committee about it. Its promoted by the popular Pod Caster joe rogan. Its been promoted by Sales Folks who brought you threat of Demon Sperm and alien dna with the endorsement of then President Trump. All of that has been building for months now. Were seeing now is a huge spike just in recent weeks. In people taking these livestock medications. People being so desperate theyre taking Animal Formulations of the stuff. So much it is sold out online. And what is driving it locally and immediately in these last few weeks appears to, a couple of things. Number one, im sorry to say it appears to be driven in part by the Tidal Wave of new infections and people getting sick and people dying, particularly in the south, and particularly in communities where people dont want to take the vaccine. I mean, its one thing to not want to take the vaccine when you think covid is a hoax. When covid is killing people all around you and in your family, perhaps you would still like to think that the Covid Vaccine is a Hoax But Desperation and fear may drive you to try other things. And the profiteers and the antivax movement are happy to sell the other things. Part of it, appears to be driven by increasing desperation by people experiencing covid in Sickness And Death in their lives. But theres another thing fuelling it, too. Specifically in recent weeks. I dont want to point any fingers here but it starts with f and rimes with acebook. Ben collins has plunged into that slimy underworld of how this stuff is being promoted and sold and weaponized against the ill. He joins us next. Stay with us. The ill. He joins us next stay with us music playing] summer is a state of mind, you can visit anytime. Savor your summer with lincoln. When i get a migraine, i shut out the world. 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Central command. This is the only information that weve got at this point. This comes following a few recent developments that may be relevant here. Obviously President Biden said in pointed Terms Yesterday in his Evening Address to the nation that the u. S. Would hunt down the people responsible for that bombing yesterday. We will find you. Well make you pay. He said he had directed u. S. Military commanders to develop a plan to strike back at isisk. The Isis Affiliate in afghanistan that claimed responsibility for the attack at Kabul Airport. We did just moments before we got on the Air Tonight got we did get a new pointed warning from the u. S. Embassy in kabul advising u. S. Citizens to leave the Airport Vicinity immediately. This was the same sort of warning from the u. S. Embassy that proceeded by a matter of hours the last Isisk Attack at the Kabul Airport that killed so many afghan civilians and 13 u. S. Servicemembers. Again, after that attack, after the warnings of that attack from u. S. Officials, after the attack happened, after President Biden said we would find thoetds responsible and make them pay and telling u. S. Commanders to come up with a plan for doing so. After another pointed warning of another potential attack tonight, again, just in the last few minutes, the u. S. Military saying they tracked down and killed a planner, presumably contention here its one of the planners behind the Kabul Airport attack. Again, this is Breaking News just happening right now. Helping us to joining by phone, i believe is Nbc News correspondent. Courtney, Thank You for joining us. I know its breaking now. Thank you for helping us understand. Caller yeah, sure. We know a little bit more about this, rachel. At this point, this was someone who was Isis Planner and involved in involved for planning for future attacks. The individual was riding in a vehicle at the time of the strike. The u. S. Military is confident they took out the person. I parentally he was with an associate. Theyre saying right now they dont have any reports of Civilian Casualties in this. In fact, they were in a vehicle. They were in an isolated area at the time. It occurred eastern part of afghanistan east of kabul. Its an area that has been known to have an Isisk Presence for several years now. In fact, its an area where there has been a lot of fighting between the isisk and the taliban, believe it or not. Its not a surprise they might find somebody involved in the Planning Or Command and control or more leadership of isis. Theres not a big Isis Presence in afghanistan. Estimated to be in the neighborhood of 500 to 1200 total fighters, but what weve learned from just this week is with just a small number of fighters, isis can carry out a spectacular attack and a deadly attack, like we saw at the Kabul Airport yesterday, rachel. Courtney, theres been a lot of discussion in recent weeks as to whether or not the u. S. Would maintain Offensive Kacht in afghanistan after the withdrawal of u. S. Troops. President biden has spoken confidently about over the Horizon Counter Terrorism capability to strike Counter Terrorism to strike Terrorist Targets at americas choosing. At a time and place of our choosing. What do we know about the over the Horizon Nature of the attack. You describe it as an Drone Strike. Is this the sort of thing that could have been done with no u. S. Troops inside afghanistan or is this the sort of Drone Strike for which it mattered there was u. S. Troops on the ground . So, this was part of that across the Horizon Pension you mentioned or over the Horizon Pension. Its basically what it will look like is the u. S. Will have a number of Air Assets largely unmanned. So drones that will be parked in a couple of neighboring areas. When they have there was a u. S. Military presence in the country now. About 5400 troops at Kabul Airport. Theyre not really gathering intelligence in the same way that the u. S. Or the u. S. Even 2500 troops in there only a month or two before the Draw Down was completed. The troops were at Kabul Airport they were focussed on one mission and thats the evacuation and maintaining security around the airport. People may be surprised to know that prior to the Draw Down, which the u. S. Still had a presence, more of a larger presence in afghanistan, they shared a Lot Intelligence with the afghans and the afghans provided a lot of intelligence on groups like isisk. Thats one of the things that will be lost in the loss of the Military Presence and the taliban takeover. The afghan military no longer exists for the intents and purposes. The u. S. No longer has them as a partner. Now the u. S. Will have to rely on and they wont have the Human Intelligence sources they had on the ground. Now the u. S. Has to rely on overheld. Signals intelligences that intercept. Satellite constellation. You know, they had the ability to get things from overhead. Its nowhere near the same picture they used to have. I guess the short way of saying it is they still have eyes on but the picture is much blurrier than it was six months or even a year ago. Courtney, are we expecting this, again, what youre describing as a Drone Strike on a vehicle carrying a man said to be an Isisk Planner involved in planning for future attacks. Its pretty specific description about what the pentagon said happened in nangriar province tonight. Do we expect additional attacks like this . Additional targets . So there are likely additional targets that exist that the pentagon is looking to develop but in a case like this, this will end up being a policy Dwegs Decision out of the of the wous. They have to make the decision how they want to respond to the attack at Kabul Airport yesterday. Its a very real. What were hearing about tonight is a direct retaliation for what occurred at Kabul Airport. The u. S. Has not been regularly taking Counter Terror strikes in afghanistan. The last one we know about is a year and a half. It was a direct retaliation for what happened at Kabul Airport. The a biden administration has to make a decision about how they want to respond. They want to take out something like this a retaliation. It may have an impact on future planning and future operations, but this isnt going to decapitate isis in any way in that country. This is a its a response that sends a signal and a message. Or do they want to do something bigger . Do they want to do something that would really have an impact on isis operations going forward in the next big question they have to answer is do they want to make do they want to make a bigger splash, do they want to do it when theres 5,000 u. S. Troops on the ground. The u. S. Troops are on track by a full withdrawal by august 31st. A couple of days away. One thing viewers should know, its clear this specific Strike Tonight the specific Drone Strike is a direct retaliation against isisk for the attack at Kabul Airport yesterday. Courtney, let me ask you one last question, looking at the map, im struck by the location of the nangarhar province and its a Border Province against the pakistan border. So much of the strategy and the difficulty of fighting this war against the taliban and other extreme itself militants in afghanistan over all the years has been the border and the support in pakistan for so many of the fighters who sought refuge there and able to refuel and resupply and shelter there even while there were Tens Of Thousands of troops in afghanistan looking for them. Is that the thing happening in that part of afghanistan that the u. S. Talks to pakistan about they have to deconflict with pakistan about or it might create a diplomatic situation with that country . Caller as long as theyre staying on the afghan side of the border, they dont deconflict these kind of option operations. What it difficult going forward here, the fact the taliban have taken over afghanistan. They are, in many cases, particularly in kabul right now, they are aligning with the network. A strong ties to the pakistan Intelligence Service the. The isi. So now that the government is its going to be intertwined with pakistan. Its going to be, once again, a Cross Roads for the pakistani government and the u. S. Relations. Will pakistan help the u. S. . Will they, you know, be a partner or will they align more with the taliban and then potentially other nefarious groups like Al Qaeda and others. And, i mean, history is the most recent history is any signal of what might happen here pakistan pakistani services have not aligned with the u. S. , they have aligned with other networks. To give you a sense of something im sure our viewers are aware of it was launched actually out of the nanghahr province. As we fwhoeb the pakistanis were not given any kinds of Heads Up. But, again, since were just talking about something that occurred on the afghan side of the border, most likely there was not a Heads Up to the pakistanis before it happened. Yeah. The longterm consequences of all of these things. The way these things play out over time becomes more and more opaque with all of these pieces changing. All of these dynamic changes. Courtney kube, Thank You. I have a feeling well talk about this again as we learn more over the course of the night. Thank you, rachel. The united states government, the united States Military has retaliated for the Isisk Attack on the Kabul Airport yesterday. Its said to have killed 170 to 200 afghan citizens. They said the united states would find those responsible and make them pay. 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And ben covers disinformation, extremism, and the internet. Its kind of a Standard Workday for ben, kind of a dark day. But this new weird and increasingly dangerous trend of people pushing sheep dip, cattle dewormer, horse dewormer, scabies cream, ivermectin, as if it is a Miracle Cure for covid, it is unfortunately hitting all of Ben Collins beats these days. One of the big groups pushing this disinformation about this drug is a Protrump Antivaxx Group called american Front Line doctors. Their founder was arrested after allegedly participating in the insurrection at the capitol on january 6. The misinformation around it and the promotion of it turns out to be a lot bigger online, particularly in gigantic facebook groups i had no idea existed. But they have created a whole ecosystem to push the stuff and to support Peoples Decision to use it instead of, say, getting vaccinated. Ben collins, Thank You very much for joining us tonight, i really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. So one thing that i have been trying to nail down here is whats driving the sudden increase in this as a phenomenon, right . Weve seen the hydroxychloroquine stuff, weve seen other stuff promoted as Miracle Cures for covid in the past. Weve seen our colleagues at the Fox News Channel, sadly, promote these sort of serially. Why is this Ivermectin Thing taking off right now . So it comes at the End Of A Year of barnes storming from groups like americas Front Line doctors, Who By The Way were in fact selling ivermectin on the side through their online consultations as well. So, you know, they stirred up a bunch of interest in this thing by going literally church to Church Or School to school, all throughout the country, and saying you cannot trust the vaccine, take something else, dont inject something, ingest something, take something else. The Thing Theyve decided to ingest is of course ivermectin. Theyre selling it as pills, you figure people are comfortable with pills. The problem is demand got so high, people on facebook are desperate to find it anywhere and theyre finding it at the Feed Store. Facebook has taken great pains to say that they have done more than anybody to counter covidrelated disinformation and they dont allow ads for any pharmaceutical drugs, they dont allow ads for this sort of stuff and they take down disinformation wherever they find it. Your reporting suggests facebook might actually be the single largest dynamic right now promoting the stuff, encouraging people to try it, encouraging people to not give up if people try to talk them out of it, telling people how to dose it where to get it, what to do if they feel sick after taking it. It feels like these facebook groups are driving the demand right now after the other groups created the demand in the for the first time. Facebook has a group where you would think its doctors giving the advice but its just random people, not doctors. Once youre in there, theyll give you advice. It tastes very bad, so they try to find other ways to deal with it, through injection or other ways i Cant Talk about on television. Its grim stuff. People are overdosing because they have no idea what a milligram is as opposed to a gram. Theyre taking a lot. Thats why youre seeing calls to Poison Control centers all across the country. Youve recently reported some other people on Reddit Have taken a more constructive or maybe destructive approach, trying to Unwire Reddit so that the groups on reddit that have been promoting this stuff have to confront reality a bit. The thing to remember is the majority of people are not like this, theyre not looking around for horse medicine. Thats true for every online community. Reddit had become overcome by other communities telling people to take ivermectin. Regular people on Reddit Have stood up, theyve said to executives saying, you have to stop this. Executives said, guess what, were not going to do anything, this is all did discourse, discussion, that old trope you hear from lots of Silicon Valley executives. So instead, these users banded together and have taken over the Ivermectin Subreddit that used to be people talking about putting it on crackers so it tastes less bad. So there is a little bit of a triumph here, maybe a playbook for the future as well. Ben collins, senior reporter for Nbc News helping Cover Disinformation on the internet. Ben, Thank You, you final made it make sense to me. Thanks a lot. Well be right back. A lot. Well be right back. When i get a migraine, i shut out the world. But with nurtec odt thats all behind me now. Nurtec can now treat and prevent migraines. Dont take if allergic to nurtec. The most common Side Effects were nausea, stomach pain, and indigestion. Ask your doctor about nurtec today. Even if you had to miss your quince. Theres always your quince plus one. Its taken a lot to get to this moment. T grew up at Midnight E the maccabees dreams are on the line. You got this. Refresh. It all, comes down, to this. This is just one of those Friday Nights and it is likely to be a very busy news weekend. Again, the Breaking News this hour that the u. S. Military has retaliated, has launched a strike against isisk in eastern afghanistan in retaliation for the Isis Attack that killed u. S. Service members and so many afghan civilians at the Kabul Airport yesterday. Were also watching a

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