General, and i am i dont know. I hit something. You hit something . The shocking resolution after a republican State Attorney General struck and killed a pedestrian with his car. Things havent been straightforward by any means. In fact, some people have called you a liar. Congresswoman Cori Bush slept on capitol steps to fight for an eviction moratorium. She joins me tonight to talk about how the Supreme Court just took it away when All In starts right now. Good evening from New York. Im chris hayes. When Capitol Police Officer Michael Bird you saw him here Last Night when he came forward in that exclusive interview with lester holt, revealed his identity as the man who shot the Capitol Insurrectionist Ashli babbitt, he knew what he was doing. Bird already had been a target in all the places you expect. Websites catering to Conspiracy Theorists and those sympathetic to the Insurrection And Trump devotees. And they had built up this story about this savage killer cop. And race of course figured prominently in that tale since his clear in video his hands holding the gun behind the doors that he was a Black Man. So before Michael Bird even came forward, he was treated in a way that was a complete inversion of how the right usually treats police. Youll remember, of course, in the wake of george Floyds Murder when rightwing media bent over backwards to offer sympathy to his killer and alternative explanations for floyds death. Tucker carlson and his buddies would go on the air to say things like blue Lives Matter and theyre not telling you the full story, and actually it was not Derek Chauvin who killed George Floyd. It was something else. There was no physical evidence that George Floyd was murdered by a cop. These cities are war zones, geraldo. This is a war on police now. Democrats hate the police because they dont control the police. No physical evidence that George Floyd was murdered by a cop. That was uttered. That was just said. Now, even though we all knew what we had seen, even though it was clear to everyone what Derek Chauvin did to George Floyd, responsible organizations were careful in the language that they, we, used to describe what happened because chauvin was innocent until proven guilty. So we would say things here on All In like, he put his knee on the neck of George Floyd, and he appeared to kill him. That changed when we found when chauvin was found guilty. We then said the murder of George Floyd, that Derek Chauvin had murdered George Floyd. But there is no such regulation in the world of fox news, of course. On january 6th, rioters stormed the u. S. Capitol. Many of them were killing thin Blue Line flags. They threatened, attacked, and beat up Police Officers. They threatened the lives of elected officials. They chanted hang Mike Pence famously. And when one insurrectionist tried to jump through the doors leading to the House Chamber and a Capitol Officer shot her, instead of defending blue lives, they spent months turning Ashli Babbitt into a mortar, whipping up a frenzy of hate towards this Police Officer. So it was predictable that when lieutenant Michael Bird came forward, that fox would come after him. So she was an unarmed protester. I dont think we execute unarmed protesters, do we . Well, we just did. No ones apologized for it. Hes a hero. Michael bird executed an enemy of the biden administration, so theyre praising him. But we call that courage, weve devalued the term. Executed. Its been clear forever through Donald Trumps whole campaign and his presidency that Law And Order and respect for Law Enforcement is not some actual principle for these people. Theres no abstract thing they believe in. What they believe in is preserving Power And Hierarchy above all else. It is about who has power. Donald trump surrounded himself with criminals, literal convicted felons. He was handing out pardons to his buddies like candy. It was never about crime or respect for the law. Trump was flagrantly lawless. Everyone knew it. The first president to be impeached two times, both times for abusing his position to try and stay in power. So of course the moment in which a Black Man wearing the Capitol Police Uniform defended a citadel of democracy against a Marauding Horde of trump supporters, that is an inversion of the natural order. So lieutenant Michael Bird, who was clears of wrongdoing in an internal investigation has a difficult time ahead of him. Of course he already has had a difficult time as the force of this venom is directed towards him. But there are also broader questions here about Law And Order that sufficient use all the stories we encounter right now at this moment. Questions about the very meaning of Public Safety. Who defines it, and who is it for . Thats whether were talking about the wars that we fight abroad to keep americans safe here in the homeland or what Police Officers are allowed to do or not to, or what Public Health measures we need to keep people out of the icu and out of the crematorium and the graveyards. And on this question, theres a shockingly revealing trend happening in the Law Enforcement circles that demonstrate how american Police Officers view themselves with respect to Public Safety and the vaccines. To be clear, Police Officers are frontline workers. They have had to work through covid. Theyve had to show up in person to their jobs in New York. To pick one example, they bore an incredibly heavy toll from it. One study found more active duty Police Officers in the u. S. Died of covid in 2020 than all other causes combined. Police officers have made incredible sacrifices during the pandemic just like many other workers who had to go to work, whether postal workers or folks at the grocery store, nurses of course. And yet we find ourselves in this bizarre situation right now in which a huge number of police are refusing to get vaccinated and resisting Vaccine Mandates. These are people whose cars say to protect and serve. The most basic thing you could do to protect yourself if you are someone who serves The Public is to vaccinate yourself to protect yourself and all the people you deal with. And if you really view your job as serving and protecting, that should be a nobrainer. And yet a Police Spokesman said last friday that 47 of New Yorks uniformed and civilian employees have been vaccinated. Just 47 . Vaccination Expert Dr. Peter hotez explains, quote, if you look at New York in terms of vaccination rates, 79 of residents 18 and older have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine. That means members of the Police Department are more vaccinehesitant than the general population. Well, yeah. Rather than do more to protect its officers and the people they serve, the nypds largest Police Union has vowed to sue over a possible vaccine mandate. Both the Los Angeles and San Francisco Sheriff Deputies unions have protested Vaccine Mandates while the head of chicagos Police Union said this, and i am going to quote it for you. And just listen up. This is the head of the chicago Police Union. Were in america, goddamnity. We dont want to be forced to do anything, period. This aint nazi Expletive Germany where they say keep listening step into the expletive showers. The pills wont hurt you. What the expletive . Thats not a rando with nine followers on the internet that i just quoted. Thats the head of chicagos biggest Police Union comparing a safe and effective vaccine that will likely save the lives of members of the police and The Public they interact with to nazi gas chambers. And he didnt pull that out of thin air. The metaphor is not unique to him. Its all over the right. Republican member of Congress Thomas Massie of kentucky tweeted an image saying, quote, if you have to carry a card on you to gain access to a restaurant, venue, or event in your own country, thats no longer a free country. And then an arm with what appears to be a concentration camp tattoo. Congresswoman marjorie Taylor Greene of georgia had to apologize for comparing Mask Mandates to the holocaust although that has not stopped her from making more inflammatory comments of the same tenor. Think about this. The notion of Police Officers are given the power to kill by the state with very little recourse or accountability, in fact protected from some of the lawsuits or legal oversight that other folks would have, right . Thats not problematic from the perspective of Freedom And Tyranny and selfdetermination. But a requirement that people who frequently interact with The Public get vaccinated is akin to the third reich. Again, these are not fringe views. This is a huge part of current conservative ideology. Its not specific to police, but they are a part of it because of their proximity to the engine of rightwing Misinformation And Reaction that is right now the key propulsive force in accelerating and continuing the Death And Destruction of this pandemic. Adam serwer joins us now. Amy freed is a professor of political science, author of at war with government. Adam, ill start with you. I have been thinking a lot about this, i dont think im that shocked about it but i still find it deeply, deeply troubling, what it means to have this segment of workers, Police Officers, react in this way to the vaccine. Well, its an expression of the Sort Of underlying ideology of Police Unions, which is that their behavior should not be restricted under any circumstance, but you have to do whatever they say when they want you to say it. Police unions are aware that covid has killed far more Police Officers than violence, something like 600 Police Officers in the last two years have been felled by covid or since covid emerged. You know, if 600 Police Officers had been shot dead in the street, the country might be under martial law. But because Police Officers lean conservative, their membership and antivaccine ideology has become a part of conservative political beliefs. The unions want to encourage their members to get the vaccine, but theyre going to oppose any mandates despite the fact that people dont have a choice if they interact with police. You know, if a cop stops you, you dont get to say, well, i guess im just not going to talk to him because i dont know if hes vaccinated or not. So this is something that should be required for all publicfacing employees, not just Police Officers, but something that Police Unions are opposing because they understand how trumpy their membership is. Professor, do you think this is distinct and new what were seeing, the kind of rightwing backlash, it seems to be intensifying and growing as were getting all sorts of ideological backgrounds getting vaccinated Day By day luckily. But the resistance is really there, and i wonder what framework you view it through. Well, what id say is its both tied to a very long kind of historical tendency, you know, something that we talk about. My coauthor Doug Harris and i talk about in this new book of how conservatives have promoted distrust in government for various strategic reasons. But even though its been something thats been around for a while, i completely agree that it has been also intensifying. And at times it has been linked to issues around health. You could go back to the discussions about putting fluoride into Drinking Water in the 1940s through 1960s, calling that a communist plot, and really all of the discussions about Health Policy where instead of seeing the increase of coverage for people with various kinds of Health Policies as a positive, collective good, presenting it as a threat to freedom. And, you know, we saw that recently with obamacare certainly, but really you can go back even when, you know, Harry Truman was first introducing Health Policies. You know, whats so what i find so maddening here, adam, is the way that Safety And Security gets weaponized toward certain ends and certain things count as that and certain things dont. So, you know, roughing up, quote, unquote, bad guys or, you know, arresting bad guys or patrolling the thin Blue Line that prevents, you know, the Sort Of hordes from overwhelming civilization, like thats safety. Thats security. Thats like the righteous serving and protecting. But getting a shot or wearing a mask, like thats for thats emasculating or thats for other people. But its this like youre more likely as both a Police Officer to get Covid And Die of covid, and also in facing The Public, like thats a real threat to peoples safety, and it just didnt compute as the same thing. Well, i mean this is one of those instances where something seems hypocritical, but its ideological, which is that they believe they are exempt from the rules that everybody else has to follow, but you are not exempt, and you are particularly not exempt from their directives, but they should be exempt from yours. And that is a problem because Police Officers serve The Public. Their authority is granted to them by The Public. Its not something they have inherently as Police Officers. It is a legitimacy that comes, you know, from the peoples support for what they do. So, you know, whats happened here is that despite the fact that covid has killed so many Police Officers, its not politically salient to the political agenda of Police Unions. They want to oppose progressive politicians. They want to oppose police reform. They want to oppose restrictions on the behavior of Police Officers, and covid doesnt actually go into that. You Cant Blame a Crime Wave on covid, or you cant say, you know, because covid is killing Police Officers, you shouldnt you shouldnt put restraints on our use of force. So its just something despite the fact that it is killing so many officers, they just dont see it as, you know, something they can use politically. Professor fried, i wonder what you think the effects of increasing requirements will be given all this distrust that has been cultivated for so long and intensifying in certain circles, whether its employers, school districts, or the government at some point. I think to the extent that things are mandated, theyre going to be hard for people to resist because people do want to continue to go to school or send their children to school. They want to keep the jobs that they have or, you know, at least stay in the same profession. So i think people will end up following a lot of those rules but well also continue to see these very intense kinds of responses and the really hyperbolic language, you know, this kind of Nazi Holocaust Language thats continued. And some of it is a kind of effect where theres some Establishment Republicans who probably dont like this very much, but theyve been gaining from promoting distrust over time. Right. Then at the same time, they at some times cannot control what it is that Theyve Kind of promoted and roused over time. Adam serwer and amy fried, thank you both. I appreciate it. Okay. Im about to show you footage of an interrogation of the republican Attorney General of the state of South Dakota, statewide office holder. He was questioned last year after he hit and killed a man with his car, which he claims he thought was a deer. I did not he see him the night before. I did not know there was a human until the next day. I did not know it was a man until the next day. I did not find him until the next day. It pains me tremendously to hear that his face went through the windshield. Things havent been straightforward by any means. In fact, some people would call you a liar. Okay. Im not sure if you heard all that, but there is a lot to that story, including the Attorney Generals stunning new plea deal. Were going to get to all of that right after this break. Do not go anywhere. You already pay for car insurance, why not take your home along for the ride . Allstate. Here, better protection costs a whole lot less. Youre in good hands with allstate. I dont Feel Sick why should i cure my Hepatitis C . How can i handle one more thing . You can stay on track and be cured in only 8 weeks with mavyret. You can keep your momentum with mavyret. Before starting mavyret your doctor will test if youve had Hepatitis B which May Flare up and cause serious Liver Problems during and after treatment. 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Ally, this well, ally, im the Attorney General, and i am i dont know. I hit something. You hit something . By highmore. Highmore. It was in the middle of the road. It sure hit and mashed my windshield. Oh, no. Okay. Do you think it was a Deer Or Something . I have no idea. Could be. Roundsberg later told police he thought he hit a deer as the 911 Dispatcher suggested. But watch this clip from a recording of the second Police Interview with the Attorney General in which they present him with evidence that the victims glasses were found inside his car. So did you see the glasses right next to that . I did not. Okay. You showed me the glasses the first time. I wondered about that. That means his face came through the windshield. His glasses are right there, jason. Those are joes. I did not see the glasses. So the only way for them to get there is through the windshield. We also have the imprint on the hood where his body at least part of his body likely was riding. At some point in time, he rolls off, takes out the mirror, and slides into the ditch. I want you to be really honest right now. I am. I never saw him. South dakota Attorney General struck that man, Joe Beaver, so hard that his face came through the windshield and his glasses landed inside the Attorney Generals car. And in this photo of the car, you can see the crumpled imprint of the hood the detectives referenced and the badly smashed windshield with a hole in it. The a. G. Says that he and the sheriff, who responded to his 911 call did not see the body, even though Cell Phone data indicates they walked right by it. That evening, the sheriff loaned roundsberg a car to drive home. On the way to return his car the next day, the Attorney General says, well, he pulled over and found the body of Joe Beaver, which he then reported to the sheriff. So what is The Endgame of all this . Was Jason Roundsberg removed from Public Office . Was he charged with anything . Well, i think you can see where were going here. Yesterday, the Attorney General pleaded no contest to two Misdemeanor Traffic charges stemming from the accident. He paid 1,000 in fines, and he is still Attorney General of South Dakota. Tom cloot is a journalist who broet a definitive piece on this for vanity fair, and he joins me now. Tom, first just tell us a little bit about who roundsberg is, what his reputation is, what kind of politician he is. Yeah. I mean i think hes still a relative unknown. You know, he ran for Public Office for the first time in 2014 in what was a quixotic bid for u. S. Senate. He finished last in the republican primary that year. But, you know, in a state of this size with fewer than A Million people, you can pound pavement. You can cultivate these meaningful contacts and build a name for yourself that way, and he did that. By 2018, four years after that senate bid, he was elected Attorney General. You know, it helped that he had an r next to his name. Democrats havent had an a. G. Here since the 70s. It really is a state dominated by oneparty rule. So hes a pretty garden variety conservative. You know, hes definitely toed the line with trump, and he just has conducted himself as youd expect a republican Attorney General in these parts would. We should note that he was one of the Attorneys General who joined that Texas Lawsuit seeking to essentially block the electoral votes of four other states that would have overturned the election. So this happens. Now, the key detail here thats so crazy to me is he hits this man. He calls 911 and claims he doesnt know what he hit and then doesnt go to check that night. Its the next day that he, on the way back to return this loaner car, pulls over and discovers the body. Is that correct . Well, its partially correct. I mean he claims to have conducted a search that night with his Cell Phone flashlight. And in that video that you showed with the Special Agents from north dakota, you know, that was a huge source of skepticism for them. They kept noting that the victims body was lily white. He had been stripped of his clothing over the course of the crash and that, you know, if he had been using his Cell Phone flashlight, that would have illuminated the body, not to mention the victims flashlight itself, which those agents referred to as a beacon. You know, in their recreation of the scene, they went back out there. They placed the flashlight where it was, and in their own words, it was basically unmissable. So i think thats whats fueling a lot of the skepticism surrounding roundsbergs account here. For one, in South Dakota, you live here long enough, you drive the roads. Invariably youre going to have a brush with wildlife on the highway. You just are. Youre going to have a close call with a deer or a raccoon. Youre going to hit one yourself. Its a pretty unmistakable experience and there are a lot of telltale signs to that, namely Animal Fur on the grille. I think that was absent. You have to point to what roundsberg himself said in the 911 call. The ambiguity in what he tells the dispatcher. He didnt say he hit an animal. He said he hit something. It wasnt about a minute into the conversation that the dispatcher floated that as a possibility. So, you know, taken all together, you just have this this sense that something isnt adding up. Its been very difficult to find many people who are sympathetic to Roundsbergs Version of events. You talk to people anecdotally over the course of my reporting. It just doesnt pass the Smell Test for them that he didnt have an inkling that he hit a man that night. Let me just play you mentioned the flashlight. I think the flashlight was still on when the body was found, so i think the police believe it would have been shining that night. And heres that exchange about the flashlight. Did you not see the flashlight . Take a listen. I got another question for you. Okay. Okay . Did you see the flashlight he was carrying . No. Ever . Uhuh. When you walked back to town . Uhuh. No. No flashlight. It was pitch dark out there. Right. And with it being pitch dark we went out and tested it. Okay. The flashlight was still on when joe and i got to the scene. Okay. It had not been touched. Uhhuh. We picked it up, and the light is still on. Okay. We talked to a witness that had just seen the light, had seen him walking with the light. That flashlight was like a beacon. I dont know if i turned around at the wrong spot. I dont know. I did not see a flashlight. Very quickly, tom, what is his future now . He has pleaded to this misdemeanor, and hes still in office. Yeah. I mean i just mentioned a moment ago that its been difficult to find many backers of roundsberg, and thats particularly true in the political realm. Governor Kristi Noem has called on him repeatedly to resign. She did so again yesterday. His predecessor, a man named marty jackly, has already announced plans to run for Attorney General next year, setting up the prospect of a contested convention between the two of them. Its difficult, especially right now, in the immediate aftermath where the trial, the case is still fresh. Its difficult to see a very bright political future for this guy. But hes giving no indication that hes going to step down. In his statement that he put out yesterday, he remained pretty defiant, and he talked about the work that remained to be done. And so i see no indication as of now that hes going to resign. There is the possibility that legislators could bring Impeachment Articles once again. But for now, Jason Roundsberg is digging in his heels. Tom kludt, its great reporting. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. 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Marine lance corporal kareem nikoui. Lance corporal david es pin oh za. Jared schmitz. Reilly mccol oum, hunter lopez, and max soviak. Many of them were infants or toddlers on 9 11 itself. Yesterday was a brutal day for the country, for this country, for afghanistan, for afghans, for their families and Loved Ones, and i dont have the names of the folks that died who were afghans. And i have to say i found the bad faith gross, almost gleeful chestbeating by republicans in the immediate aftermath of what happened yesterday pretty disgusting because this is now the second time in 12 years, as a journalist and just an adult american citizen, that ive watched and covered a republican administration that ushered in Catastrophe And Crisis on a host of fronts, and then leaving it for a democratic administration to come and fix. I mean the first time, of course, involved the worst financial crisis in 70 years and a possible run on the banks during the george w. Bush administration, not to mention two wars that were going terribly. And not only did that mess get passed off to Barack Obama by republicans, but they immediately started turning around and saying, where are the jobs, and why are you bailing out the banks and the deficit . Thats the country that the last democratic president was handed. No fast forward 12 years, the country that was handed over to Joe Biden. The global pandemic in which the u. S. Performed terribly and crucially millions under the sway of a political movement led by that former President Feeding Them disinformation and constant lies about both democracy and Public Health. And under these conditions, the biden administration has done an incredible job on a number of fronts. The Vaccine Rollout was an amazing bit of logistics and competence. Passing the big Recovery Bill that included a new Child Tax Credit to help families badly in need of assistance. Managing the recovery in the economy which is now trending the right way. Wages are finally rising swiftly. They have also had places where they have fallen short and even messed up very, very badly. There are many immigration facilities, for example, for minors that remain awful. Weve reported on whistleblowers who talk about that, even if some of them are an improvement from the trump administration. Another issue, global vaccine distribution, which is of the utmost importance, is nowhere near where it needs to be, and it is true that many folks, members of congress, veterans groups, human rights groups, warned this white house, the biden administration, about the backlog of special visas for afghans for months. And those warnings, well, they went pretty unheeded. But, again, why is Joe Biden The One ending this war after 20 years . One answer is because Donald Trump was too much of a coward to actually do it. Donald trump could have gotten the u. S. Out entirely. Mr. End The Endless wars. He could have done it. He sent his Secretary Of State Mike Pompeo to meet with the head of the taliban three times, in february, september, and november of 2020. He made plans to pull out, but he never did it. So it was passed off to the new administration, and it is happening on Joe Bidens watch. It was left to this administration to coordinate how the u. S. Would get out, and now the evacuation of more than, as of this count, 110,000 people, that evacuation meant that american Service Members were put in a vulnerable position trying to get people out. And yesterday the worst imaginable happened at those airport gates. Now, let me be clear. Joe bidens the president of the united states, and this happened while hes president. There should be congressional hearings. There should be oversight, absolutely. 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Why did this happen . Because the mission for much of that time was unclear. It was unclear as soon as Bin Laden got away probably. But the mission of the 13 u. S. Service members that died yesterday was a clear one. It was to get americans and our allies out of afghanistan. They were there on the front lines saving lives. They gave their lives for it. And after their death, the mission continued. According to the administration, roughly 12,500 people were evacuated between yesterday and this morning despite that horrific act of mass murder. Thats a point of pride for all the Service Members taking part in this mission. They did and continue to do their jobs. Ben rhodes serves as deputy national Security Adviser to Barack Obama. Hes the author of after the fall. He joins me now. Ben, i want to just first start on this, the Sort Of, you know, Cleaning Up other Messes Kind of point. I mean i guess the first question i want to ask you is when you look at this, do you think, like, we should have done this . We should have gotten out of there ten years ago, and it was a mistake not to, and we left it for this administration to have to deal with . Yeah. I mean, chris, look, i dont think the u. S. Could have just withdrawn from afghanistan, in part because the reality is because of the war in iraq, in 2009, Al Qaeda was at its strongest point in Afghanistan And Pakistan since 9 11. So clearly there was a necessity of counterterrorism action. That ultimately led to take oun Bin Laden. I do believe the surge of forces in 2009 was a mistake and ended up prolonging this war. So it was necessary to finish the Counterterrorism Mission in afghanistan in the early obama years. I think obviously this war got extended beyond the point of us being a constructive force in afghanistan. You know, youve written about benghazi and both the Sort Of runup to it, the afteraction reports and i think a lot of the Sort Of awful Soul Searching that went through people in that administration about it, because it was a horrible tragedy and four americans lost their lives, and you could already see the makings of that happening within seconds, within minutes of the news yesterday, right . You have like an actual thing that happened, a horrible attack, and then very immediately the kind of political machinations of folks in the republican party about, like, how we used this. Im wondering as someone who lived through that in the wake of benghazi, your reaction to seeing those tweets and those calls yesterday. Well, i think, look, chris, this is not informed by some sincere concern about american foreign policy. This is entirely a disingenuous effort to inflict political damage. Theres no proportionality. Theres no perspective. Theres no honesty in how these issues are handled. I mean when four Service Members were killed in niger, when Donald Trump was president , nobody investigated a thing. You know, so this is not about, you know, evaluating Congressional Oversight responsibilities. This is about viewing wars, wars that were started by george w. Bush and fervently supported by the republican party, that has basically given a Blank Check for the prosecution of these wars. People die in wars. Terrible things happen. And when you have one political party that is just seeking to cynically manipulate any event for its own political gain, its no wonder that the united States Cant engage in Nation Building with other countries. How can a country that has the politics like this, and has mobs of people storming our own congress, think that somehow were going to create the structure for governance in kandahar . So i think what the republican party has done in manipulating the politics of national security and turning it into this never ending identity Politics Issue and series of investigations into whoever the democrat is, is significantly undermined american leadership in the world and our ability to conduct a competent foreign policy. What do you think about also i mean are you able to separate the Sort Of execution of The End of this and the flaws there have been in that, the mistakes and The End of the project because i think those two have run together, and theres people who say, well, no, youre trying to Tar Everyone who says the administration did a bad job, you know, facilitating these visas as warhawks. Then theres other people who clearly want us to stay in afghanistan forever, and those two voices are very mixed together in this Sort Of criticism and debate. Yeah. I think i can separate it. First of all, this is tied to the inheritance part. Donald trump negotiated the withdrawal of United States Forces from afghanistan. He negotiated an agreement with the taliban that cut out the afghan government in which if they didnt shoot at us, we would leave. And he went down to 2,500 troops, which is not even enough troops to protects our forces in afghanistan by the time he left office. Thats what was left to Joe Biden. A big part of the reason why the Afghan National Security Forces collapsed as fast as they did is a lot of afghan commanders cut the exact same deal with the taliban that Donald Trump did because they could see the writing on the wall. Now, i do think when you look at the execution of the withdrawal, i think the Glaring Challenge has been the evacuation of vulnerable afghans, people who worked with us, as well as americans. And the reality is you had a window of time between the announcement of the withdrawal and the fall of kabul where not enough people got out, and that contributed to the really wrenching humanitarian circumstances we see now, where were trying to get as many afghans out and hopefully can welcome them here at home if the republican party doesnt try to slam the door in their face. Ben rhodes, thanks so much for joining me tonight. Thanks, chris. Earlier this month, congresswoman Cori Bush, you might remember, slept on the steps of the u. S. Capitol to save the eviction moratorium. Late Last Night, the Supreme Court struck it down. Congresswoman bush says she isnt giving up the fight. She joins me next. In our effort to build the worlds safest cars. Weve created Crumple Zones and autonomous braking. Active Lane Keeping Assist and Blind Spot assist. Weve introduced airbags, Side Curtain airbags, and now the firstever rearmounted frontimpact airbags. 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Thats because you all have the same internet. Xfinity xfi. So powerful, it keeps oneupping itself. Can your internet do that . Late Last Night the conservatives on the Supreme Court ended the biden Administrations Moratorium on Vix E evictions. The court issued an eightpage opinion. I dont know which conservatives it is but the three liberal justice descended. And the legal questions are difficult but the context is at, again, the u. S. Is still in the midst of the pandemic. We just had 2,000 deaths, i think, today. Its one of the deadliest Public Health crises in american history. Evictions could accelerate the deadly Vice Weve spent the year and a half fighting. Its that logic the moratorium was put in place. Here is the craziest part of the story and The One i just cannot let go. No one in america should be facing eviction. Not one person. And landlords should all get their money and be whole. The reason because congress passed, and the president signed, an Appropriation Bill with over 46 Billion for rental assistance. That amount is approximately twice, get this, the amount of total Rental Debt in the united states. Thats been made available to be distributed to renters. Yet as of july, only 11 cents on the dollar of that money has been given out. Thats correct. 89 of the money appropriated by congress is just sitting there. There is no world where anyone should be evicted, particularly under these circumstances nor should landlords not have their money. What happens now . Cory brooks held a vigil on the steps of the capitol. On a way of calling the biden administration to extend the moratorium. Let me get your reaction when you heard Last Night the court in in strange, you know, unsigned opinion had upheld a lower court striking down of the moratorium. You know it was even though we knew it was a possibility, the first night yes were on the steps, we knew it was a possibility. It was like the air was knocked out of me. Because again, were talking about 11 Million people. Were talking about individuals, our elders. Were talking about children that will be forced out on to the street. Its unconscionable and inhumane. Were in the middle of a pandemic and we hear all the time about how deadly it is. People have lost Loved Ones over and over again. Communities have been just turned upside down. Now were saying its okay. The government is saying its okay to just send people to the streets. So there are a few different ways that can proceed here. I mean, there are states like california, for instance, which has an eviction moratorium. We should note that your efforts to push the administration to do this did buy three weeks that wouldnt have been there otherwise. Not all was lost. You cant run time backwards. The biggest thing to me is the money sitting here. To read to you from the times reporting, only about 500,000 households reported receiving assistance. 1. 57 million are waiting for approvals. 700,000 have been rejected. Those are the tenants trying to get access. How do we solve this to get the money into the hands of the people that need it . You know, one thing that ive seen in my community, we have to speak about st. Louis. We were having trouble getting people connected to the funds. After we slept on the steps for days, after the protests, i spoke with leaders in our community and our community put together clinics, you know, st. Louis county has clinics set up in our County Libraries and public libraries so people can come in. You know, st. Louis city is doing pop ups. You know, this is how we get people connected. We have to be where the people are. You have to go into the communities and ive caught myself this is the thing, chris, ive called myself to see what the process was like in my own community. I sat on the phone for an now half waiting. I understand structurally there are issues but we have to work through the issues. People volunteered to help. We have to get the money out. The landlords need to get the money in their hands so people can stay in their homes. I cannot sit by and allow 8700 people in our community to hit the streets. I cant allow 11 Million people across the country to hit the streets. Yeah. I should note the report for Houston Public Media tweeted this Last Night. I think everyone should be thinking about the cascading effects of eviction if people get turned out of their houses. Chris, when i was out of house with my two babies. We would move the vehicle throughout the city of st. Louis throughout the night because we didnt want the police to stop us and take our children from us. I know what thats like. Why are we putting people in this position when we have the money. We have the money. And we need more time to get people signed up and get this relief. Congresswoman busch who has been vital advocate on the issue. Thank you so much for your time tonight. Thats All In. Good evening. Happy friday. Thank you very much. Have a great weekend. Thank you for being with us. On top of everything else going on in the world tonight, were tracking what could be a very, very dangerous hurricane that appears to be aimed right at New Orleans and the Gulf Coast with potential landfall this weekend on sunday and, yes, youre remembering correctly it would be 16 years exactly since the de