You are onto something, jason. We are not competitive here, thats what busta trying to teach us. Amen to bustabust. Thank you for someone who always have us all in checked. Woohah. Give me some more. We can keep going but well stop. I want to thank you jason and nicole. Two people that we always love to chat with. I am Ari Melber on The Beat. The house investigating with evidence investigating on the rioters. House investigators going further on Donald Trump. What he knew and what he did, pulling on a thread and we talked about this. It seems both obvious but has not been formally legally proven yet. The threat is this. Did donald Trump Plan the storming of the capitol as a premeditated part of his failed sloppy coup . Today the House Committee determining seven agencies will go towards what trump did and knew. They want to know about the insurrection. Theyre asking trumps knowledge of the Election Results and what he communicated to the american people about the election. They want to know whether or not there were communications within the white House Or Executive agencies during that leadup to January 6th, the Washington Post is reporting all of this. Theyre going the seek evidence with Subpoena Power backing them on attempts to place political personnel and senior positions across the government. That goes beyond rhetoric and back into really investigating trumps sloppy coup. He did raise Alarms Stretch Lg from the Justice Department to the pentagon about how far trump would really go. One of the top members of the committee that i am reporting here told us on The Beat that theyre going to follow the evidence and No One is off limits. Congressman and Chairman Schiff meant it. Here is what he told us. Nobody is off limits here. Any members of congress or the former administration or the former president himself of whatever capacity thats involved in our attack in our government, well follow the facts where ever they lead. Some of the facts lead to an open probe whether Trumps Effort to steal the probe. That is just one state. The new evidence could link more of these seemingly maybe different pots all together and that could put more pressure on the government by which i mean the federal government or independent local prosecutors to do the hard thing and decide if there was an attempted coup and should someone go to jail for it. I am joined now by joan walsh. Thank you both of you for being here. Joan, i landed on a question so i put it to. Does the evidence build on the pressure to say if there was an attempted coup, somebody has to pay for it. It depends on what we found out. I dont want to get ahead of ourselves. I am really kind of relieved to see the scope of the committees requests. I think we talked about it before. I was worried that we only had one day of testimony. Early on there was a dodge whether they would go after their colleagues in congress and called mccarthy up there. They gone beyond that. What they are doing is sort of unraveling this web of people that we are all shaking our heads. Why is he shaking up the Justice Department. Why did barr leave . We talked about that and we got some evidence about that. Theyre going after people like Cache Patel and devon nunezs old aide. He was made ak acting chief of staff the defense secretary. All those people were being asked real questions of what they knew and what they were planning and what kind of memo and conversations were going back and forth between the agencies and the president. I think it is an interesting day. Julia . I think it shows that there were some worries back in january about whether the biden administration or democrats in congress could pursue this, investigate the Trump Administration for their role in this attempted coup and carry out the other business of governing and what would be a short twoyear span. It seems theyre able to do both. Walk and chew gum at the same time, they just passed this budget in the house, looks like the bipartisan Infrastructure Project is good to go. This is happening in tandem and without any problems. I never understood that expression. Are there people out there who always stay seated when they chew gum. I dont know, maybe walking makes you bite inside your cheek or your tongue. One of the favorite things to say in washington. Walk and chew gum at the same time. Shoutout to you for taking the plunge. We have a low expectation in this town apparently. Yeah, i think when you say it that way make sense. Taking the plunge using an expression that you are not clear on. The kind of Blinker View because they have been very busy. It is august and it is a time where sometimes government completely shuts down. They have been doing as you said, Voting Rights and a lot going forward and Speaker Pelosi says theyre going to do a lot of things. Our panel is going to stay. I want to turn to a new story how trump lost the 2020 election. It may sound like a topic democrats want to emphasize but it is coming from republicans in pennsylvania who say Theyll Recount trumps loss there and holding hearings, some doubt of ballot integrity, republicans claim to count or review an election is over or closed. A quick factcheck, Recounting Ballot thats 2020 is no different from doing it in 2020. This process is relevant and nonbinding. It may appeal to Donald Trump and some of the January 6th crowd is in denial that president biden won. Politics seem to hurt republican party at least with three groups. Independence who dont like posturing. Joan, what do you think about this . They dont care about people. It is a great way to look at it. Theyre going to show him that he lost again. He lost four times in georgia. They recounted four times. Republicans kept recertifying. He lost and he lost. Now we got the fraud in arizona going to show he lost. Pennsylvania and wisconsin and also pennsylvania again, a republican legislature that certified the results already. The situation in arizona is comical. You dont feel like you have to worry too much. Theyre trying to cast a shadow over the Election Results and frankly theyre leading to another January 6th. The more they feed this, this anger in the Basis Something thats stolen. The more extremism we are going to see. Thats the danger. Not that theyre going to accomplish anything. I am not sure who this Recount Or Audits for. People seemed to be baked into what they believe. Either the election or if it is stolen. Nothing is going to convince anybody in these two camps. Of course he didnt prove a thing but it does not matter. I am not sure who this is for and would sway. Yeah, i really think if you look at the headline on the screen reliving trumps most famous loss. This is not a traditional trumps Pr Tactic which is relive and draw attention to something. It is not moving the needle on what most rational people would understand, Whos President . The president. I want to thank joan for covering more than one topic with us. Julia, stay with me. 1500 americans are still living in the country in afghanistan. Evacuation is speeding up about 20,000 people a day now. It is a humanitarian challenge and also a larger reckoning from american policies. Last night we heard from Oliver Stone about the war. The afghan war when you look at it is about the united states verses the taliban but verses the civilian population as it was if vietnam. We fought the Nba And Viet congs, the real losers are the civilians. I am not the biggest fan of Roger Stone but i feel like hes great to ask about putin. Julia, i will let you finish but you know people have different areas of lanes of expertise. I understand what you are coming from but we did not get into the Putin Radio with him. On the issue of the american Policy Footprints when i think he would have something to say there. He was rather criticized for the nature of his putins interview. But again, i will let you finish. Okay, what i was going to say is it is a complicated issue. You know the, what the u. S. Was doing there after 20 years popping up as corrupt government that is nobody seems to believe in that it is true that once the americans announced ta were pulling out. How long could we have possibly stayed there is one issue. The other issue is could we have managed this one withdrawal better . Could we have ramped up giving out special immigrant visas. Could we have stepped it up back in january when this administration came in. Could we have undone what the Trump Administration did in gutting this program . The tail of this withdrawal is going to be with us for a long time especially with this Alqaeda And Isis fighters. As we have seen the taliban keeps their words or not. They already said women should stay home for now and a week they would say they respect womens rights. I think a lot remains to be seen and it is a messy, complicated problem. I do not envy the people working on this. All really fair and incisive points. Thank you for kicking us off tonight. Thank you, ari. We have a lot more in the program including this backlash of desantis in florida. Why the gop has a growing Science Problem with a very special guest. A new probe into Police Brutality caught on tape. The trooper repeatedly hitting the man appeared to not be a threat at that juncture. We are going to get into why this matters. Later, the first sentence in the far right plot to kidnap a governor of michigan. 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You have to do what you have to do but i recommend take the vaccines. I did it, it is good. Take the vaccines. So that was one push, take the vaccine. We can note that is some of trumps own maga supporters booed him for that. People call on Donald Trump to do something and he did it. There are people who listen to him just like people listening to all sorts of different leaders, get vaccinated. If that appeals to you, you should know. There are republican governors from arizona to florida continue to attack the common Sense And Safety measures and battle with scientists and take a different tactic than what you saw from trump. We are seeing lacking Vaccine Rates that are battered with cases. The larger dynamic here actually is important to consider. We talk a lot about covid in the last two years. There was a longer Running War on science, over universities to the republican senators. We keep hearing that 2014 has been the warmest year on record, i asked the chair, do you know what this is . It is a snowball. It is from outside here. It is very, very cold out. See, hes got snowball because it is cold out. It is sometimes well, fact checks, they do it for themselves. It cant get worse from that. At a 2011 president ial debate. Longer before Trump And Covid and all this. One of the big face of the republican party, Rick Perry, well, he had a different argument to go after Climate Science. The science is not settled on this. Just because you have a group of scientists said here is the facts. Galileo got voted out for a spell. He got punished four centuries ago saying the earth revolved by the sun. 1992, the Catholic Church apologized to galileo, 20 years later Rick Perry still struggle with that one. Our chai komanduri. To claim certainty in opposing science. Thats a nuance but important point especially if you have debates to people who may listen to what i just played you on fox news. This dates as far back in the 1980s where he says there is a great flaw of the theory of revolution and actually making policy out of it. You should give it equal weight in our public schools which are governmentfunded. Chai has been on the case and we have a formal republican Governor And Mark sandford who knows these issues inside and out. We are back in 60 seconds. Out. We are back in 60 seconds. We are back with Chai And Mark sandford. You can see two roads diverged. Chai having quoted you, i want to begin with your point. We cannot understand the Misinformation Today without understanding the republican partys crusades for some time now, explain. To put it simply they dont believe in vaccines and Climate Science and evolution, the same way they dont believe in the big Bang Theory and stem cell research. They do believe in the claims of Fossil Fuel executives. They do believe all the vitamins and health supplements. They do certainly believe those things. Uncertainty is codified in science. It is based on ground and possibilities. The gop historically and they have been doing it for 30 years going back to Ronald Reagan has been using that very element of science against Science And Favor of the gop interests. Yes, you say it that way and it is similar to some of the sound we just played from Carlson And Ingram which if you want to ab, you can say some of the scientists are updating the process. Governor, you have been in the Party And Shoutout to your new book, you write Representatived By The Republican Party devolved into a luke worm mess, your view and all of the above. Well come back to the lukeworm mess. I dont think going back to Science And Sort of the process is fair. I think absolutely the elements of the republican party that relates to science. There are a number of us i have said for a long time, as a republican elected in office that i did believe in science and climate change. It was real. The coastal district that i represented in south carolina, i saw it with my own eyes. Someone in the republican party would say, of modern science healing my body but i dont believe as it relates to mother earth. It is simplestic to say the republican party dont believe in it. I dont think they represent a large swath of the people that i represented in carolina. Do you think, governor, to your point, i mention it is not monolithic in my set up. Do you think sentiment on the right is good faith. Does it concern you that some of it seems to be a political project. I think is a combination of the two. There is a natural weariness on the right. Part of the independent and Freedom Movement is a skittish, they said so. Because you said so and i am against it. It is its own thinking. Thats part of the assembly that makes up the republican party. Part of it is based on all the misinformation thats out there. People that are necessarily not suspicious but because they have a faith and theyre sort of triablism thats all too strong in both parties right now. Suspicion at the top that it must be good enough for me and initially trump was exactly a warrior of vaccines and vaccinations. I happen to be a fan. I had the vaccination but then i got covid and it really sucked. My boys are young and strong and they got it and they were out surfing the next day and i was out and about for two weeks and never slept as much in my life. I think it is a combination of the weird triablism in the Trumps Movement and the party combined with the national suspicion of somebody at the top saying so. Chai. I would respect with disagreement with this. For the most part, the entire republicans climb Change Denial is a conspiracy theory. It is a belief that the World Scientific Committee is lying to you and a group of executives of little training is telling you the truth. Joan is telling you the truth. Climate Change Denial got the ball rolling. I believe the republican accomplishment with their alliance with their religious rights really believed that science was an enemy of faith. Not an ally of faith the way scientists as Isac Newton if you look at Brazil And India where you have populist leaders aligned with religious rights. They handled covid miserably. All of this predates trump and it is a danger to our country that persists 30 years ago from today. It is an excellent point. Part of what chai reminds me that there is a traditional conservative doubt of the powerful. Some of that is trans muted to say oh, as if a few scientists or people signing articles, are they the powerful. No, it is the powerful of the Oil Companies and the big corporations that i think real popularism will counter that. There is some overlapping of what you are saying and spirited and civic disagreements which we all welcome. Chai and governor, good to have you together. Hope we can do it again. Look forward to it. Thank you, ari. Thank you to both of you. We have an update on accountability in that Kidnapping Plot of the michigan governor and a new story Police Brutality, very important. Stay with us. E brutality, very important. Stay with us birds flyin high you know how i feel breeze drifting on by you know how i feel [man coughing] its a new dawn, its a new day. No matter how you got copd its time to make a stand. And im feelin good start a new day with trelegy. No oncedaily Copd Medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. With three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves lung function. It also helps prevent future flareups. Trelegy wont replace a Rescue Inhaler for sudden breathing problems. 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His latest book is called this is your mind on plants and it looks at a lot. Thanks for coming on The Beat. Pleasure to be here. If someone is watching going okay, why are we talk about mushrooms on the news . Maybe its deeper than that. Tell us the lens you used as you approached this work. Im looking at the age old Human Engagement with plants that change consciousness. This is an inate human drive. We all have it. Its kind of curious that we do. We want to change consciousness. Its part of our humanity rather than go to war against that urge which we have been doing for 50 years. What does it mean when people say they want to raise or deepen their consciousness and how much of that do you see as what you call plants as a Method Or Shortcut as compared to other activities that people feel dont involve reaching for that stimuli . There are other ways to change consciousness. People do it for medation, through extreme sports, fasting. There are many other modalities that do it. The easiest, quickest way have been engaging with the mushrooms or fungus or plants. The reason people do it or, they have a lot of reasons to do it. I think that theres a sense in which we all feel trapped in our egos, our individuality which disconnects us from other people. We do these things to connect with other people, to lower the parriers of ego and feel more social and alcohol does that. Its used to Lubricate Social Situations at the right dose. Too much has the opposite effect. I think thats one reason. You use your pen that provide a gateway because might want to learn about this through knowledge rather than experience. Youre doing that bluntly and without stigma. You say why are you laughing . Its true. Selfexperimentation. I do immersive journalism. If im going to write about psychedelics, im going to try them and see what its like from inside. In the case of caffeine, im going to try giving it up the see what that is like. Go ahead and read. Thats why those of us familiar with your work, we hope if you decide to write about death, you only do it at the very end of your life. Thank you, ari. Thats very good advice. Reading if your experience here that you share, you say to say mescaline immersed me in the moment doesnt do it. I wanted to say i found the hidden path. There was a spacious that felt like the perfect antedote of lockdown. You talked about relieving pain. Youre speaking to a certain moment that so many people shared. Tell us about that. I had opportunities the try it. Its psychedelic. I thought of it as an escape from the world we find ousts in under lock doin. A lot of psychedelics take you to another world. Theres a reason they are called trips. It didnt take me anywhere. There were no hallucinations. There was this intense immersion in the present moment, in the here and now. I could stare at a bowl of apricots for like an hour. There was so much going on. We want to play something we dug up from the old days about the hippies. Take a look. Who and what are the beautiful people, the hippies . They represent a new form of social rebellion. They dress in bizarre and colorful ways. They wear their hair long. The Word Love is used by them a lot. They praise the effect on the mind of hallucinatory drugs. The trip is a drug induced mental explosion that changes the whole way you look at the world. How can we learn from what may look very like a limited or blinkered view so were not making those Mistakes Today . If you look at what some of the hippies were thought to stand for, you put drugs to the side, a lot of the other stuff, the long hair, this or that outfit, talking about love, talking about equality and peoples Fluid Form of identity, a lot of this has become main line. You know, in the 60s, psychedelics entered the culture. Lsd especially and they arrive without an instruction manual. No one knew how the use them. We used them in a disruptive way. People would spike the Punch Bowl with lsd which is an outrageous and cruel thing to do. I think we learned a lot about how to use them. If the approach with intention, they are useful. I think the messages that these drugs are very much a product of the context. What we use them for, how we use them and we are going to look back on that 60s Moment as one chapter in a much longer history of Psychedelic Use that will end up with legalized psychedelics being used for Therapy And Mind expansion by other people. Really fascinating. We might be able to look even around the corner here and avoid some of the police takes that have been made in the past. Thank you very much. I want to remind every one the book is, this is your mind on plants. Far out. You can always find us online arimelber. Let us know what you think. We think it was groovy. The Reid Out starts now. No you didnt say far out and scooby doo. Are you shaggy . I grew up on scooby doo. 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