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Capitol hill. And so richard, there are six days left now. Can you take us inside the situation there on the ground and is that going to be enough time to get everyone out . Reporter well, the question is what is everyone. And there has been a lot of confusion. What people are sometimes failing to realize is that this is one of the poorest countries on the planet. And this evacuation has also created an expectation, an opportunity, a hope for many afghans that if they can get to the airport and they can get in, they can get out of this country and start a new life. And according to diplomatic sources ive been speaking to in the region, many are doing that. About half of the people i was told are not necessarily people who would qualify for special Immigrant Visa, they are just people seeking asylum. And that is creating a tremendous backlog at the Holding Centers, many people arrive without documents, they are unaccompanied minors. And there are still crowds rushing to get to the airport. The Taliban are trying to control them. Sometimes they are trying to control them in brutal ways. They are firing in the air, they are using whips to keep people back. But they are allowing people through if they have documents, if they can prove that they are an american citizen, that they have a legitimate reason. But sometimes the crowds will just rush forward because there is this belief the americans are giving out free tickets to the west and that time is running out. So they have to get there. The backlog at some of these Holding Centers like doha cutter, Ramstein Air Base, is it is difficult to describe. There are hundreds of people, maybe thousands of people if you combine them together, who are in rooms, the rooms many people are complaining that they dont have had yacht sanitation. In doha, it is extremely hot. And they are in this very uncomfortable limbo. State department officials are overwhelmed. I spoke to a State Department official trying to sort this out from the embassy and they were expecting people to arrive with packets, with approvals, practically with badges. Instead they are getting plane loads full of people who have no documents at all or documents that dont match, or names that dont match, they dont have enough linguists. So each step of this process is a chain. It seemed to have worked out getting the flights moving. And they are moving fast and they are evacuating the airport and personnel and soon they will have to start evacuating themselves and the last remaining people. And there is a Military Procedure under way to do that. That is one part of it. Here In Kabul, Taliban want to make this continue as quickly as possible. They dont want any terrorist attacks. We were just told that the Taliban are actually moving in the streets looking for isis fighters. They dont want a bombing. They dont want some Rogue Militant who escaped from prison to try and set off a bomb or take some pot shots at the airport. They know that would slow it down. Some of the Taliban are also worried that some of these isis fighters or other extremists are posing as Taliban and Taliban now are using code words. So they are going up to each other asking if they have a special code word, if they have the code word, then they are legitimate Taliban and they can continue their patrols and continue operating. If they dont, they are being investigated. So the Taliban want this to go smoothly. Biggest backlog is in that third piece of the chain right now, which is the processing all of the people who are moving out and who have already moved out. About 80,000 people, that is an entire city that has been transferred and now parked in third countries, or many of them parked in third countries, trying to figure out what to do with them. Such a fascinating moment with our interests aligned with the Taliban at least at this moment. Courtney, you are reporting on the deep frustration, even disgust inside the u. S. National security agencies over this Moment Weve found ourselves in. One Defense Official telling you that he grew nauseated at what he considered to be all these afghan allies who would be left behind. What more are you hearing on this frustration across the National Security spectrum here . Reporter one place that were really hearing a lot of this, at least i am, is from veterans. These are people who served with some of these men and women who were their interpreters. And they look at these afghan civilians as their brothers in arms. The same way that they look at the other men and women they served with in the u. S. Military. And now many of them are reaching out to these americans and begging for help, not just for themselves, but for their families and even their extended families. And there is a lot of there is a feeling of helplessness because they cannot get a lot of these people out especially the ones outside of kabul. There has been this massive undertaking by the veteran networks who are trying to bring people out safely, including getting flights into various places around the country to try to get afghan citizens out. But you know, you also mentioned how remarkable it is that the u. S. And Taliban are working together and i Cant Underscore that enough. They are coordinating at a the u. S. Military there on the ground In Kabul is coordinating with who are essentially their counterparts in the Taliban to help get americans safely to the airport. And they have been doing this now for several days. They are meeting them at telling americans to meet at several different checkpoints so that they can be safely brought into kabul airport. And they are coordinating these efforts with the Taliban. In addition to that, you know, weve also been talking about these massive crowds that exist outside The Gates at the airport, the Taliban have actually been helping with the crowds. They have been making sure that people are going to The Gates in intervals and because of that, these large crowds that are potentially Security Threats have now shrunk in a lot of the places. And so the Taliban are really helping because at The End of the day, the u. S. And the Taliban have the exact same goal and that is to get americans out of that country. And salah kapoor, talking about veterans essentially freelancing here, the two most famous now two congressmen, Seth Moulton and Peter Meijer who secretly traveled to afghanistan to conduct what they said was kind of on the Ground Oversight of the situation In Kabul. What more can you tell us about that trip and the blowback they are getting back here in washington . Reporter yeah, there has been a real backlash to that trip for the reason that members of congress are supposed to get permission for a trip like this, which they did not receive. There have been sharp responses from their colleagues, congresswoman Sarah Jacobs accused them of taking up space in a Disaster Zone for their own ego. And Congresswoman Dean called it utterly irresponsible, said every available resource that the united states has needs to go toward that mission to evacuate thousands upon thousands of people from afghanistan in the limited time that is available. Now, these two men put out a joint statement from the ground there and they said that they had spoken to commanders and they dont believe that the August 31 deadline for withdrawal is at all feasible. Not even September 11 would be long enough to get everybody out of the region that they need to get out. And Speaker Pelosi put out a Letter Yesterday pointing out in no uncertain terms that this trip and trips like these should not happen. She answered some questions about this a little bit ago. I want to play some of what she had to say. Do you see their trip as a distraction . Nos as much of a distraction. The point is we dont want anybody to think that this was a good idea and that they should try to follow suit. They have to make their own case as to why they went and this or that, but it was not in my view a good idea. Reporter pelosi was also ask ed about the August 31 Withdrawal Plans and she said she trusts president Bidens Judgment in weighing the tankers dangers of staying there. And it is interesting to hear the members say that even a 9 11 Deadline Wouldnt be enough time to get out. The White House is not happy with this trip. Apparently a senior white House Official told the Washington Post the trip was as moronic as it is selfish. Im curious what more you are hearing from the White House. Not even so much about this trip but the tension between congress and the White House about how this is all being handled. And the president s decision to stick to the deadline that he has laid out. Reporter i think the reaction is between Bewilderment And Anger that these two congressmen would make this trip outside of what they usually do to theaters of war. And the view from the White House is that it does serve as a distraction. Jen psaki put out a statement, we advise against any americans whether elected or not attempting to Travel To Kabul right now. And then a senior Administration Official tells us whether intended or not, this is nothing but a distraction at a moment when time is key and every seat on planes should be for someone trying to get out of afghanistan. So the other part of your question about sort of the pushback that the president is getting even from among his allies in congress, i think the focus right now at the White House is completing this operation, completing it by August 31. Earlier today the administration put out new evacuation numbers, they say they have evacuated some 82,000 people almost since the start of this Airlift Process on august 14th. The White House, pentagon, have said repeatedly that they believe they have enough time to airlift out all of the americans. Getting out all of the afghan allies is another situation entirely. President biden said that well hear more from the State Department and we expect a briefing in the noon eastern hour about the process for those afghan allies, those afghans at risk, who will likely have to remain in country after August 31. Thank you all as we watch for this Pentagon Briefing to begin coming up later in the hour. 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If you cover Speaker Pelosi, you know how unusual it is for her to be talking about what the senate will do in the context of what the house will do and of course the backdrop for all of this is that new agreement for a vote on the bipartisan Infrastructure Bill by September 27th, that agreement kept moderates on board with the vote at least for now. And as they cheer this agreement, they see as delinking the bills progressives are rejecting that notion. Takes mess. And Ali Vitali is on Capitol Hill, just out of that briefing with Speaker Pelosi. Hopefully she can help us make sense of it all. So the speaker is making it sound like this is all worked out but if you read the statements from moderates, the statements from the progressives, it sounds like they moved an August Problem to september. Yeah, because i dont want to retraumatize anyone who was on The Hill this week watching these messy negotiations, but well probably do this exact same News Cycle in september because you just look at those statements, moderates and progressives hardening their Battle Lines on the way out the door back to recess. And each of them have a very different and opposite interpretation of what happened here on monday and tuesday. For instance, the Progressive Statement put out immediately after all of the democrats voted to advance this Budget Measure procedurally, progressives say the two Infrastructure Bills are integrally tied together and we will only vote for the Infrastructure Bill after we pass the reconciliation bill. The moderates say that this ensures that we can pass a once in a Century Infrastructure Investment by September 27th and it will receive standalone consideration fully delinked and on its own merits. Half of them saying that it is linked, the other nine moderates who held this process up this week saying it is not. It is a little messy and basically punts the football to september. We should also note that when i was in that Press Conference with Speaker Pelosi just a few minutes ago, she wont even concede that this is a deal she made with moderates, instead she said it was a clarification. So it punts a ball to a busy september once lawmakers get back. Well see in the early weeks of september the committeesmurder hurriedly writing this bill. But it does put more pressure on moderates and particularly moderates in the senate to start shaping what the Reconciliation Package looks like and what that will probably mean is chipping away at that 3. 5 trillion Price Tag that was already up for negotiations and so well definitely see that coming down the pipeline too. A Price Tag that progressives already by the way see as a compromise. So the next couple weeks will be busy. 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Several legal challenges to these mandates have already been rejected by the courts. Lets bring in Kerry Sanders from one College Campus in florida. And these mixed mandates at the major universities in that state, but the Nursing College you are at is requiring shots for all of its students. Since you are our collegiate reporter today, how is that playing out where you are and across the country . Well, here at Chamberlain University where classes begin next week, if you are not vaccinated, you are not welcome into the building to take classes. It is indeed a mandate. Were seeing it play out across the country. I think perhaps the most interesting is university of virginia, they have made it clear to their students that they must get the vaccine. And this is a term at smu im sure when you went to college you never heard this before, you can drop a class maybe like youre taking calculus and not doing well and so let me drop this, but at uva, they are telling students that dont have vaccines that they are disenrolled. They have been dropped. Now, 49 students at the snapshot time have been disenrolled. 238 in total have yet to provide their actual Vaccine Mandate, their cards, they show that they have been vaccinated. They still have time to work it out. But clearly what were seeing at close to 800 universities across the country following the Fda Approval of the pfizer vaccine, if you are going to take classes and be on campus, you will be vaccinated. Did you pass that class in calculus by the way . I knew better than to even sign up for calculus, although i did drop Electrical Engineering for a similar reason. We dont need to talk about this. Kerry sanders, thank you. And joining me now is the president of ohio state university, christina johnson. Thank you for being with us. And your university is now requiring all students and staff to be fully vaccinated by November 15th. Im curious what kind of Pushback Youve gotten and why did you pick a date that late into the semester to require this mandate . Thanks for having me and i actually was an electrical Engineering Student and did take calculus. But first, in terms of pushback, we stayed open all last year because we came together as buckeyes and we did all the things that we needed to do like wearing masks, being physically distant. You know, washing hands. So we could stay open. And have that kind of residential experience that we hope. But it was different without a doubt. We didnt allow gatherings of more than ten. So because of that support on campus, this was, you know, the right thing to do at the right time. Talk to me about how this will work. Are you unenrolling students who dont get the vaccine . My understanding is that probably wouldnt start until next semester. What are the Enforcement Mechanisms on this . Were asking our students, faculty and staff, to get at least their first vaccine done by october 15th. And then we wait a month because depending on which vaccine it is, it could be three weeks, it could be four weeks, and that is why the November 15th deadline. And then were asking right now if you are vaccinated, upload your information so that we know. And then were asking by december before enrollment for the next semester starts, upload that you satisfied that requirement. So were not disenrolling students, but we wont enroll them on campus next semester, well ask them to take their classes online. I see. So it is not an Honor System then. This is something where they will have to put in their specific information about the vaccine they got and when . Right. Thats correct. Up until now weve asked weve been really encouraging people to get vaccinated and were at about 75 across the community. But the difference between 75 and getting above 90 could be the difference between us having more of a normal iconic Buckeye Year and classes and residential experience and that is what we want for our students. A huge part of that experience is your football program. Im not telling you anything you dont know. Are you looking at what lsu did down in louisiana in terms of Vaccine Mandates to attend games as something that you might put in place there . We dont have a Vaccine Mandate to attend games. We do ask though if you go into the concourse, use the restrooms or get food, that you wear a mask. So our mandate if you will, requirement on campus, is that if you are indoors, wear a mask. If you are outdoors, dont wear a mask unless you are not vaccinated. So we are not requiring vaccines to attend outdoor activities. Well see if that becomes an Issue Conferencewide in the fall. Im also curious, what kind of efforts are you making, you mentioned you are about 75 vaccinated in the broader population there, to help people who are not vaccinated who want to get vaccinated . Thinking about students who might not yet have traveled to campus or who might need maybe more than just a push but maybe a little extra help to get this done. Sure, so we started in the summer with Popup Clinics. We have four regional campuses in addition to the campus in columbus. And that has worked pretty well. So we try to make it convenient, weve set up a Popup Clinic at our Student Union and we also have our testings, we test every student at Jesse Owens North facilities what we did last year, we did about 700 coronavirus tests. And so weve also set that up so that students come into get tested, they can go to the right to get a vaccine, go to the left and continue to get tested. So that is what weve been doing up until now. And well con that. So were trying to make it as easy as possible because this is the best tool we have to fight this thing. And right now, this Delta Variant is extremely virulent. Were sighing about almost a 500 increase in hospitalizations. Were seeing a lot more younger people get sick. And that is what were trying to prevent is our students getting sick and faculty and staff. Appreciate the work youre doing. Christina johnson, president of the ohio state university. Thank you for being with us. Thank you very much. Take care. And we have breaking news just now, Delta Air lines is announcing a new policy for their unvaccinated employees. They will face a 200 monthly increase on their Health Insurance premiums starting November 1 if they are not vaccinated against covid19. Of course United Airlines has announced a Vaccine Mandate for all employees. And the clock is ticking to pull people out of afghanistan, but thousands are still waiting for their ticket to safety. 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Ask your doctor about nurtec to find out desperation is growing among afghans trying to flee the country with the u. S. Now just six days from the expected final withdrawal. And the Taliban is threatening to block afghan nationals from leaving. So many thousands possibly tens or hundreds of thousands believed to still need help getting out. New york times is reporting on the reluctance to give any number here despite sharing how many have been evacuated. The latest count puts the tally at more than 82,000 people since august 14th. The times says Refugee And Resettlement experts expected at least 300,000 are in imminent danger for associating with americans this u. S. Efforts to stabilize afghanistan. I want to bring in now a former interpreter who also served in the u. S. Army. He said last week on this show that he feared his family In Kabul who arent eligible for a special Immigrant Visa could be killed by the Taliban. And with apologies if we have to go to this briefing and my hope that you will stick around to talk to us more on the other side, just bring us uptodate, how is your family doing now . I understand that there has been some developments around they will ing some approval to come to the u. S. . Yes. They have approved from the national visa center. But it is very difficult for them to make their way into the kabul airport. They have been doing is the last few dares and there is Taliban checkpoints all over the place. They got Beat Up, harassed by the Taliban. Dares and there is checkpoints all over the place. They got Beat Up, harassed by the Taliban. They were not able to get into the airport to get on the plane. And so they have the correct paperwork. What is their experience like . I mean, they live In Kabul. Talk me through what it has been like for them to get from their home In Kabul to those gates. It is very dangerous for them to leave the house, Taliban has checkpoints all over the place and a Couple Close by my house. So they have to go through that, they harass them. And closer to the airport the Taliban has more checkpoints there. So they are trying the day before yesterday to try to get to the airport and they got Beat Up by the Taliban, they have bruises all over their bodies. But they were able to make it close to the airport but still not able to get into the airport to get on the plane. Ill ask you to hold on, well go into this Pentagon Briefing now on afghanistan. Hopefully well learn more. Thank you. 24 hours, we exceeded the previous 24 Hour Flight departures and evacuated a number of passengers nearing the previous days record. Yesterday 42 u. S. Military aircraft of which were 37 c17s and five c130s departed with approximately 11,200 personnel. Combined with our 48 coalition and allied partners, with those departures an additional 7800 personnel left kabul. That is 90 flights total yesterday that left the kabul airport. That accounted for 19,000 evacuees now safely out of afghanistan within a 24 hour period. Since the u. S. And coalition forces began the evacuation, to date approximately 88,000 have safely departed from afghanistan. Every 39 Minutes Yesterday a plane departed kabul airport. These numbers are a testament to the hard working and brave Service Members carrying out this mission. In cooperation with the State Department, i can also tell that you there are more than 10,000 people currently at this time at the airport awaiting departure. This is a snapshot in time and as we said yesterday, well continue to change as more people are able to come on to the airfield and as flights depart. As i said yesterday, in order for this throughput to remain steady, we depend on Capacity And Efficiency of our intermediate staging bases and safe havens. We are appreciative of the support and rely on our allies and partners in this global endeavor. In the Ucom A. O. R. , 6,000 will be transported from germany to the united states. And in addition approximately 2,000 more will arrive in this case Ramstein Air Base germany scheduled to receive approximately 13 flights. Since august 20, approximately 10,000 vulnerable afghans and evacuees for transit to ward locations. You will likely hear more Details Today at the press scheduled with mr. Kirby and general walters later today. Several thousand evacuees have arrived in the united states and will continue to do so. In the past 24 hours, five flights landed at dulles with approximately 1200 passengers. As part of this process, these individuals completed biometric Vetting And Screening in accordance with the fbi, nctc and customs and Border Control standards, all directed by the department of homeland security. We are working around the clock to provide safe sanitary and appropriate receptions at processing at all of our locations throughout the world. We know you have questions about our current time Line And Intent for departure. Our mission remains unchanged. For each day of this operation, we have carried out the direction of the president and the secretary of defense. Until that mission changes, we will continue to put forth our maximum effort to safely evacuate as many people as possible and we will keep you updated. Lastly, i want to give you a short update on haiti. The Department Of Defense and u. S. Southern command continue to be in full support of usaid as the lead federal agency. The usaid Bur Refor humanitarian Assistance Team has been on the ground since the Beginning And Weve been supporting them as have our allies and partners working to identify points of need. This lifesaving Aid And Assistance mission is where dods unique capabilities specifically in airlift and logistics are engaged each day to get that lifesaving aid where it needs to be rapidly. As of late last evening, Jtf Haiti conducted over 364 full spectrum missions both with the Dot Assets and united States Coast Guard which have assisted or saved over 436 lives. And delivered over 163 pounds of vital aid as of late yet. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Just one more note and then well get to questions. I think you may have seen now we have released the Secretarys Memo with respect to the mandatory vaccinations for covid19. He has determined after careful consultation with medical experts and military leadership and of course with the support of the president that mandatory vaccination against the Coronavirus Disease is necessary to protect the safety of our Service Members and our force. And mandatory vaccination will only use covid19 vaccines that receive full licensure from the Food And Drug administration in accordance with Fda Approval labeling and guidance. Requirements will be implemented consistent with Dod Immunization Program instructions 6205. 02, in other words the existing structure and regulations that govern policies and procedures for managing mandatory vaccination across the force. This is consistent with the departments efforts to ensure the safety of our Service Members and maintain readiness of the force. With that, well take questions. Bob. Thank you. With regard to afghanistan, i wonder if you could give us a sense of what the Evacuation End Game is likely to look like or expected to look like in terms of what are the sequence of events over the last three, four, five days. Will the u. S. Need to have sort of exclusive use of the fields and apparatus to execute the final flights . Ill ask The General to be more specific than me. But what we anticipate happening in the last couple of days, we will so first of all, we will continue to evacuate needed populations all the way to The End if we have to and if we need to. If youre an Advantag Evac Tha to get out, well continue to get you out. But in those last couple of day, well try to preserve as much capability as we can at the airport as you might imagine. So in those last couple days, we will begin to prioritize military capabilities and Military Resources to move out. That doesnt mean that if youre an evacuee and you need to get out that were not going to try to get you out, but that we will have to reserve some capacity in those last couple of days to prioritize the military footprint leaving because we want to be able to keep it there as long as possible to do the job that it is intended do. Charter flights for example would be finished earlier and when you refer to Military Resources, are you talking about american only . Im talking about primarily u. S. Military troops and equipment. We are now and have been working with our allies and partners to help them withdraw their people and well help them withdraw their forces as well. Right to the very end or you have to do that earlier . Obviously we want to spreefsh preserve as much capability as possible. Some of it is our allies answer partners. And so there will be a balance there. And it will be up to the admiral to determine that he has the maximum capability for as long as possible. So there will be a transition more towards getting military assets out as we get closer to The End, but again, well continue to work the Evacuation Mission Right up until the last day. I think what i would add for the great answer mr. Kirby gave there, as you have seen in the last three days, the Complexity And Amount of aircraft moving in and out. So the capability to continue to sequence and plan for the actual requirements that leave on a daily basis is going to be made, you know, on the ground. S about as you have seen, we have that capability to manage quite a Lotof Throughput and be able to put the right things on those aircraft as they come in and as they leave. John, who is guarding the u. S. Embassy right now, who will guard after the u. S. Military pulls out, are there any contingencies, do you have an agreement with the Taliban . And in terms of the airport, do you have an agreement with any nato allies to keep like the turks to keep the Airport Open after the u. S. Military pulls out . As i understand it, i know there is no military assets guarding the embassy compound. The u. S. Embassy is operating outof the airport. The turks are still on the ground at the airport assisting in this Security Mission that we have there. I wont speak for their intentions one way or another going forward. But there is not going to be a when the mission is over and when we are leaving the airport, the airport will not be the united states our responsibility anymore. So how it gets managed going forward will be something that the Taliban, who are now In Kabul, will have to manage that on their own. And i assume with the international community. But that wont be an american responsibility. And just one more, how many individuals on Terror Watch lists have been screened or found at any of the Screening Points either in qatar, ramstein or in the u. S. . I dont know. Well have to take that question and get back to you. Thank you, john, thank you, general. The people thank you very much for your hard job and good job. Afghan people, they are happy that some of them that they are not eligible for siv see a, p1, p2, but still they have a serious problem and they are not in the kabul. They are hiding. They move from one place to the other place. And they contact with me like more than contacted with me a day and say what can i do. And is there any plan from the State Department or from The Pentagon because they are target of the Taliban, but Taliban, yes, the spokesperson said why united states make a problem for us. We are not allowing the people to leave afghanistan. Now they are like in jail. And on the other Taliban'>Hand Taliban is not one group, they are different group like five groups. A a lot of people there, and the problem, but theyre not eligible for those visas. Is there a possibility and any other option for them to be safe . I Cant Speak for each and every afghan who wants to leave and is dealing with theyre own individual circumstances to get out. We know there are a lot of desperate people that want to leave, you saw the numbers that were working to get out. Were working as fast as we can to get out. Special Immigrant Visa applicants, and vulnerable afghans. And we continue to work at this. I cant begin to try to give you specific advice, but from The Pentagons perspective, were doing the best we can, as fast as we can, to move people out on any given day. Im not able to and i know my answer is unsatisfying, but im not able to speak to our ability to reach out and talk to every afghanistan that wants to get out. Believe me were very mindful of the split right here and were trying the best that we can to alleviate that. Thank you. I just want to follow up to what jen was asking about you said that there wont be a Military Sprens guarding an embassy. Post August 31st embassy compounds, that is what you specifically spoke about. Post August 31st, after that date, there will be no diplomatic Presence Post August 31st. To follow up, there is information on what is going on with that. I have seen the reporting on this, i dont have anything to update you on this. I dont have any information. What i should have said to jen is that it is a better question for the department of security. Im not trying to evade the question, we just dont know. Were doing the best we can toman fest people on these flights and get them out. There is screening being done. Were trying to get as many of these individuals out. Has there been any Air Extractions since the two you told us about, and has there been efforts outside of kabul. Last night during the period of darkness there was an operation to be able to go out and safely evacuate evacuees back into kabul. They were at hkai. And we were able to bring them back to kabul safely and theyre preparing back for evacuation. It was inside kabul. We will not provide additional details, there was less than 20. Yesterday, it was reported that the withdrawal had already begun. But you know has started with nonmilitary personnel. How should we understand that as clearing the decks for the hard Core Withdrawal that is coming to come here. I wasnt pushing back on headlines that say withdrawal, i was just trying to describe what happens without hyperbole. In trying to manage time and space, they determined it was the prudent thing to do to let several hundred troops leave the airport 37 some of these troops did come in. Some of them were troops that were already there at Hamid Karzai International Airport before any additional troops flew in. We were still in the process of a draw down at the airport. The previous plan by The End of the month. Some of the troop thats flew home were in that tronch. They were very much part of the original plan. And they saw fit that there was others they believed that he didnt need there at the airport. The headquarter staff personnel, maintainers, and other enabling forces that completed and were already scheduled to go. And up and to that point. So i wasnt pushing back on the withdrawal that has been going on since april 14th. I just wanted to make the point that we didnt push a better that said go now. Thank you, from talking to military groups, its evidence that they have not been able to make it to the airport, and they are being escorted off due to paperwork issues. Under what circumstances are afghans with valid i have is as that are admitted ultimately Es Cored off of the grounds. I will tell you a couple things. I recognize that from process is perfect. And that there are hiccups and problems. We certainly recognize that. Let me just take a couple steps back and tell you how this is working. We have consulate officers. They are doing their job to process individuals checking credentials making sure they say they are who they are. And making sure theyre in a valid group that were trying to moe on to the airport grounds. The Taliban have set up check points. And were in daily communication with Taliban commanders about who we want to see get in along with what the credentials are. We have been nothing but open with the Taliban ant who we expect them to let in. Again, fully recognize that it is not every step of the process in our control, and there are instances where it doesnt work as sides. There is not a single day that goes by and theyre not working this in a very personal way with authorities outside of the airport. The president said that he was calling on afghans that had not gotten out by the 31st. Can you explain what the department is thinking about what the plan is to get americans out by the 31st if they have not made it to the airport by then. And then to jeffs question, have discussions gone on with the Taliban to maybe find

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