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Democratic party joining us at The End of the hour. Thats going to be one question. Is injured cuomo running for governor . Among many others. Lawrence, do you know offhand, will this come up in the interview i guess, if he decided to try to play kingmaker, and shunned that 18 Million over to some other candidacy that he then blessed, does he have the ability to do that . It is that be treated like a Campaign Donation youre not allowed to Move It between candidates . The place where he could move that much money, is to the state Democratic Party. Im going to ask the chair if Andrew Cuomo should do that he. Cannot Move It to federal candidates because its raised under different laws and regulations in the state of new york. They have higher contribution limits. But he has 18 Million there that he raised. On a premise that you could now say, was either fraudulent, you could, hes not any longer capable of doing the job that he raise the money for. So the question of what happens to that money, most people in new York Politics at this point believe that that money, if its going to be used in campaigning will be used and campaigning for Andrew Cuomo. Well that sounds like an excellent thing to talk to the chair about. I am glad that youre about to do that. Were going to do it at The End of the hour, we have all this stuff to do, including what is going on in the House Of Representatives tonight. We have no idea. Thats the first thing were going to move on to. Thank you. Lawrence thank you rachel. Breaking News Situation in the House Of Representatives tonight. The breaking news, is we dont know whats going on, luckily, we are going to be joined by a key member, of can see pelosis house leadership, team and also joined by the chair of the house budget committee, two key players in this, theyll be joining us in a moment to give us an update on what was supposed to be the first vote tonight, In The House. In the biden infrastructure plan. It was supposed to be a procedural vote. And a Budget Resolution. Heres what white House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said today. What is your message for those who want to vote on the biden didnt Infrastructure Bill . And the trillion dollar budget. And why not just do it first . I would first say, that the president has every intention of Signing East of these pieces of legislation into law. What i want to be clear with you all about, is he supports Speaker Pelosis proposed path forward, to get this process done. Id also know, and you follow this all closely, but for those of you watching at home, this is a procedural vote, an important one. But there are a number of different ways forward here. Biden has been on the phone with some of the moderate house democrats who want to vote on the bipartisan Infrastructure Bill that was passed by the senate, before they cast their first procedural vote, on the rest of the biden Infrastructure Package, that will be passed through Budget Reconciliation. Which means it can then be passed in the senate, without any republican votes. Speaker pelosi was reportedly hoping to push through a vote tonight, on a Budget Resolution, for the portion of the Infrastructure Bill, that will be done in The End, through Budget Reconciliation, but the resistance of a group of originally nine moderate democrats, which is now grown to ten, is now turning what was supposed to be voting nights, In The House, into what could be, a long nights of negotiations, In The House, and leading off our discussion, tonights democratic Congressman Hakeem jeffries, of new york. Hes the chair of the House Democratic Caucus. Congressman jeffries, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Your member of the leadership team. What can you tell us about where Speaker Pelosi is at this hour . And in her negotiations, with that Group Of Ten democrats . Good evening lawrence, its great to be with you. We had a robust discussion, a Family Discussion amongst the House Democratic Caucus earlier today. So the members had an opportunity to articulate their perspectives, its my sense that an overwhelming majority of members certainly support a parallel track approach, we want to make sure we get the bipartisan Infrastructure Deal done. At the same time we want to make sure that the Budget Reconciliation package, which is an instrumental part of president bidens build back better agenda, related to other portions of the american jobs, plan in the american families, plan also gets over the finish line. Theres some discussion in terms of trying to figure out how we can arrive at a agreed upon rule. That we can vote on. Its my expectation that we will vote at some point this evening. And we can get the process moving forward. There is less than a couple of hours left in this evening, before we end up in what we call early tomorrow morning, this seems to have been a dramatically slow down, a group of nine which over the weekend picked up another supporter, now its a Group Of Ten. Josh gottheimer of new jersey, democrat, has been the leader in the League Spokesman for that group. Lets listen to what he had to say about this this morning. I believe both will move forward and get. Done i think we will work this out, and im ready to sit at the table with my colleagues, and figure this out, and we can, this makes sense to get both bills moving, we can do that, theres no reason to wait, for five months or more, sitting on this, Infrastructure Package and risking that are threatening or holding a hostage like some of my colleagues are doing. That just doesnt make sense. That sounded like he was ready to compromise in some way this morning. Has he proposed a compromise . I know hes in discussions with Speaker Pelosi and majority leader hoyer, in hopefully those discussions will bear some fruit sometime soon, i think youre exactly right lawrence, what he said publicly is similarly to what he said privately, which is that he has a disagreement in terms of the strategic approach, and the pathway forward, he does not disagree with the substance in need to enact the Budget Resolution framework, in order to arrive in an agreement. So we can do things that support more robustly, Childcare And Home Care And Health Care And Elder care, investing in americas children and families, along with the physical infrastructure part, of the bipartisan agreement. I think thats a hopeful thing. As democrats, we are all in the same page in terms of substance. We just need to figure out with the highest common denominator is going to be as it relates to process. So we can get both of these things done, and we will. It sounds like Speaker Pelosis attempt, were initial strategy, to not do the bipartisan bill In The House, until the democrats only version through budget regulation, reconciliation, which is a two stage process, has been completed, which will take a couple of months. Probably october at the earliest. It sounds like she doesnt trust these ten democrats, and possibly other democrats, to show up when she needs them. In october. To vote on the Budget Reconciliation package, if she lets them vote on the bipartisan package now. I think whats important is that this is going to be the house and the senate. Right now, the senators, on the democratic side, have agreed to the resolution, but theres still a lot of discussion that needs to take place in terms of the ultimate substance of the 3. 5 trillion dollar agreement, so from my standpoint, and im not speaking for anyone else, you had senators like Bernie Sanders and elizabeth warren. Vote for a resolution along with senators like Kirsten Sinema and joe manchin. Thats the least that we can do in the House Of Representatives. To get the process started, in over the next few weeks, we can have a substantive discussion, and negotiation about what the build back better budget framework, should look like, before it gets enacted into law. Congressman jeffries before you go, Andrew Cuomo has less than two hours left in the job, as governor, he has followed your Advice And Everybody else in the new york congressional delegation who asked him to resign, based on the accusations brought forward by the State Attorney General on sexual harassment. What should Governor Cuomo do now . With the 18 Million in campaign funds, that he has in his campaign funds. Should he turn that money over to the state Democratic Party . He will have to make some decisions about how to use those resources, hopefully to elect other democrats moving forward, help us keep our majorities in both the state legislative bodies, as well as In The House and the senate. Hell have to work through the legalities of. That right now the most important thing is that we should all be falling in behind Kathy Hochul are soon to be governor. Supporting her, because her success will be the success of the people of new York State. Congressman jeffries, thank you very much for starting off or discussion tonight. We really appreciate. Thank you. And joining us now is democratic congressman of kentucky, the chair of the house budget committee, mister chairman, i can see you sitting there eagerly on the edge of your, see waiting to get to work on this Budget Resolution. Which is being slowed down at the least by ten democrats, In The House, who dont want to vote and moving toward a Budget Resolution, they, just want to vote now on the bipartisan bill from the senate. Get that done. And then turn to the question of a Budget Resolution. Whats wrong with that idea . I think lawrence, thanks for having me on, i describe my job over the last couple of months, as cat hurting. And thats what ive been doing. We have moderates, as those represented by the ten members, who say lets take a victory, and the physical Infrastructure Bill, and then we have dozens and dozens of progressives, counting myself among them, who say, no, we cant set up a situation in which we say okay enough members will think that that sufficient to vote on the physical Infrastructure Bill, and not vote on what we consider the most visionary futuristic part of the biden agenda, which is to create a Human Infrastructure in this country. That provides daycare in early Childhood Education and senior care. And deals with climate change, and expands medicare. These are all things that represent, what i would describe as, deficits in our society, their longstanding deficits that we need to act on. And thats how many of my colleagues in the democratic caucus feel. So yes, its a Game Of Chicken in a sense. But it is also very important. As chairman jeffries put it very well, we all agree on the ultimate goal here, we have some people who say for whatever reason, we have to do the physical infrastructure first, because that the easy part. Thats the bipartisan part. But then theres others in the democratic caucus who say we have chance to make transformational change in this country, that will address many longstanding needs, and we cannot essential give even a small number of democrats the option of saying, well physical infrastructure is enough, as you know, its all a numbers game, we have very few votes to lose In The House right now, its for. Were not going to get any republican votes for anything we do. Thats where we are, and what were seeing is remembers right now, is in terms of the Budget Resolution, the reconciliation process, that which we can do all of these other things, its incredibly important an issue gives, that are not just part of the democratic agenda, but the american agenda, that we need to make sure that we have the opportunity, and what were saying is vote for the Budget Resolution, it is basically shooting off the starting gun, which will allow us to develop legislation that can ultimately pass the house, and then the senate without a filibuster. Chairman, youve settlement, there but the key words i think the audience caught the key words were, Game Of Chicken. That is what we are watching tonight. Im betting on your side, of getting to this at some point, getting to a Budget Resolution on this. And we really appreciate you joining us as this process goes forward. Chairman, thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Coming up, as of tonight, the biden administration has evacuated 48,000 people from afghanistan, after the taliban took control of the country and the president of afghanistan flood, that is 48,000 more people, than the united states was able to evacuate the last time this happened in vietnam, where exactly zero people, zero people were evacuated, after the North Vietnamese Army took full control of Self Vietnam. And its Capital City. Our next, guest who served two tours of duty in afghanistan, says that what we are seeing now, in afghanistan, was inevitable. Thats next. Le thats next. Thats next. I dont just play someone brainy on tv im an actual neuroscientist. And i love the science behind Neuriva Plus. Unlike ordinary memory supplements, Neuriva Plus fuels six key indicators of Brain Performance. More Brain Performance . Yes, please neuriva. Think bigger. Introducing the new Citi Custom cash℠ card, a different kind of card that Rewards Dan where his spending is trending. 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That is because, most of them, if not all of them, were now old enough, or not yet born, the first time the united states lost a much bigger foreign war, and fled the country, while being shot at, by the people of the united states then called the enemy, in who the united states now treats as one of its friends and trading partners, in asia. Our relations with vietnam are so friendly tonight, that it is the next stop on Vice President Kamala Harrisons asian trip. To call something a debacle, suggests that there is a better way of doing. And we know how to do it better. If you are rowing a boat in a hurricane, and it sings, do we call that a debacle . Or do we call that inevitable . When you hear people calling the evacuation from afghanistan a debacle, asked them compared to what . When has any country ever evacuated from a foreign war, that they lost, in a way, that is better than what we are seeing now, the answer is never. This is the best version of an evacuation from a lost war, that the world has ever seen. That does not make a good, that does not make it orderly, that does not make It Safe for everyone involved, but it does mean that nothing else was realistically possible. The White House press v. Briefing room, in 1975, the day after the Last American Helicopter Left vietnam, republican President Gerald fords press secretary, who he inherited from the disgraced president nixon he was forced to resign the office, was asked, what the president s reaction was, to selfvietnams surrender, to north vietnam. To which the white House Press Secretary said quote, given the military situation, this did seem to be the inevitable result. No one, in the White House Press Corps then, asked, why President Ford did not publicly say it was inevitable . That the side we had been fighting for, would surrender, before they surrendered. Because the reporters were all adults, then who understood that the president of the united states, even if he believed, it could not publicly predict, the surrender, of the Week Government we had been fighting for. Then, from the 1975 press freeflowing, there is this question. Question, are there any plans by the united States Government to attempt to evacuate any other selfie enemies now that all americans have left . Mr. Nelson, no. Question. There will be no further effort to bring out any selfie enemies, is that right . Mr. Ness, and yes that is correct. Some selfie in me as i understand are making their way by various boats out into the south china sea. I suspect they probably will be picked up. Those people at the time were called Boat People in our news coverage. Some of them drowned. Some of them were picked up. And then, at the press briefing, the day after, the last helicopter left vietnam, there is this question. Is the president disappointed that he was not able to get between 100,000 200,000 out, as year regionally hoped . Mr. Nelson, as many were evacuated as was realistically possible. Question, do you have any sort of figure in the . Weve had figures all the way from 45,000 to 70,000. Mr. Nelson, it is not possible yet, because some of them left on their own and others have gone to various places, there is no complete count. No complete count. Realistically possible. As many were evacuated as realistically possible. And no One Challenge that. No One Challenge that. Everyone accepted, that there would be no complete count of how many people got out of vietnam, at The End of a war we lost. No one in the White House Press Corps believed they were better at Evacuation Logistics in the American Military. The american News Media, was not yet in the business of paying generals to come on tv, and tell you that they are smarter than the current generals in command. And parenthetically smarter than they themselves were, when they were busy losing the vietnam war, or the war in afghanistan. Was the evacuation from vietnam a debacle . Yes you could call it that. But we all knew, at the time, every day of our Military Involvement in vietnam was a debacle, in a moral disgrace, during the evacuation, pilots in the South Vietnamese military, flew helicopters, we had given them, to our aircraft carriers, which were already too crowded, in the american helicopters that were busy conducting the final evacuation from vietnam, so the helicopters that we gave to the salvinis army, that they used to save themselves, were simply pushed off the Aircraft Characters into The Ocean. You can see debacle in the imagery, or you can see doing what was realistically possible. Weve done this sort of thing only once in her history, before last week, 46 years ago in vietnam. We did it while the Capital City of Self Vietnam was falling under the control of the North Vietnamese Army. And american soldiers were being shot at. I told you the story of the last to combat casualties in vietnam, to marine buddies. Charles mcmahon in darwin judge, they were killed the day before our last helicopter left vietnam, they were killed in a rocket attack, at the airport, in saigon. The reason we were using helicopters instead of military transport planes, is that the north vietnamese control the airport, after killing american soldiers to gain control of the airport. In so the American Military, heroically did what was realistically possible, in what was realistically possible did not include bringing back the bodies, of the final two american casualties of that war, Charles Mcmahon in darwin judge. Their bodies were left behind. In a hospital in saigon, and No One criticize President Ford for that. No one attacked the American Military for only doing what was realistically possible in that evacuation. The opponents of the war, only wished that evacuation had taken place years earlier. No one so far, it shooting at the American Military, as they do what is realistically possible in the current evacuation, and that is because, the biden state department, has been negotiating, with the taliban, about the evacuation. We are engaging with the taliban, consulting with the taliban and every aspect thats happening in kabul right now. And whats happening at the airport, and how we need to ensure that there is facilitated, passage to the airport, for american citizens, sivs, Third Country Nationals and so forth. That is something we did not do and could not do during the evacuation of vietnam. Here is more of what national Security Adviser Jake Sullivan had to say today. In the last 24 hours alone, 28 u. S. Military flights have evacuated approximately 10,400 people from kabul. In addition, 61 Coalition Aircraft have been approximately 5900 additional people, that is more than 16,000 people, in 24 hours, inflates are continuing, hour by hour, as we speak. We believe we are making norms progress. And taking step back, we could go, i dont think anyone in this Briefing Room wouldve thought wed be standing here today with 37,000 people already evacuated from the country. Enormous progress, thats the phrase he just used. You will not see those words and headlines were in by News Media, that is committed to the debacle story. The biden administration has made enormous progress, over the last time we did this. In the evacuation from vietnam. The next time we lose, we will see these images again. No one in history is evacuated from a law store, the kind You Saw in vietnam, and that youre seeing now in afghanistan. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] for those people you see. An evacuation operation, in a dangerous situation, was going to have to happen is some points. When you run an operation at some point when you have to go in and secure an airfield in his city, that has been taken by opposing sources, that is a government that has collapsed, your Contingency Plan is going to hit head on with the reality, and there are going to be complexities and challenges and difficulties, and you work through. Then you make adjustments, and you ultimately get an operation going, that is moving out thousands, if not tens of thousands of people daily. That is what we have accomplished over the course of the week. So you can look at the evacuation from afghanistan and say its a mess and chaotic, which it is. And you can look at the evacuation from afghanistan, and say it is the best organized evacuation by the American Military, and the state department, from a war we have lost, which it is. It is impossible to lose a foreign war, and evacuate that countries safely in honorably, leaving No One behind, that has never been done, in human history. And it was not going to happen in afghanistan, and the american news Medias Assumption that the evacuation from afghanistan could have run smoothly, is part of the naive Belief System in the American Military is invincibility, that allowed the afghanistan war to Go On for 20 years. Our next guest, uses the word inevitable, to describe what you are seeing in afghanistan. That is the same word, that the white House Press Secretary used On The Last Day of the vietnam war, to describe the surrender, of the side that we have been fighting for their. Inevitable, thats with the White House called it in 1975. Our next guest, Lucas Coons served two tours of duty in afghanistan as a captain in the marine corps. In an article, he writes, what happened last week was inevitable in anyone saying differently is still lying to you. 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So far, they have by and large, followed through what they said in terms of allowing america to pass through the way. Joining us now is lukas lucas kunce, a former marine Corps Captain who hes now a democratic candidate for senate in missouri. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Your piece, the article you wrote about this says it will what were seeing there is inevitable, when did you come to think this was inevitable . Hi lawrence, i can tell you the exact moment that happened, i learned in the marine corps, the language of southern afghanistan, and i employed afghanistan twice on special Operation Task forces. I remember the first time i was there, i spoke to everyone when i was, there afghan security forces, normal people, and even the taliban, and i was interviewing this taliban, guy in the penitentiary, and i asked him sir do you know why youre here . And he says street in firm. Yes because i was trying to kill you. And i said okay. And where do you think this is going to go . And he said well, you can either let me out and ill keep trying to kill you, or you can keep me and here in one of these days im going to be out because you guys are going to be gone. In based on all my interactions with Everyone Else i, had i saw that this is when it is going to happen, its inevitable, i was there in 2014, 13 years weve been in afghanistan, in my unit and i were doing absolutely everything for the afghan forces, we are doing their logistics, we are getting the memo, food all sorts of supplies, and the idea that we stayed seven years later in something would change, was absolutely wrong. Its been inevitable for a long time. In most people who were there would say the exact same thing. How surprised were you that the Afghan Army basically collapsed almost instantaneously . And the President Flood . I wasnt surprised at all, in fact the President Fleeing is just iconic of what happened in afghanistan. Actually for americans and afghans, the people who pay the price, for this war, were normal everyday Human Beings both in america and afghanistan, we are the people who, died we are the people who paid for the war. In the people who really made our the elites on both sides. Contract defense contractors, here politicians to use the ward to get into office. And then on that side there were all these commanders, you would just take american money, not push the footers supplies to their troops, i dont blame the troops there at all for what happened, they were under supplied and under fed. The elites made out, here it is not surprising to me at all, when push came to shove they fled and what happened in afghanistan happened. The News Media attached great respects sometimes awe and hopes, in various succession of commanders, in these military operations. In both afghanistan and iraq at different times, general petraeus comes to mind. Was there ever a command change, or a tactical change in afghanistan, after you served their . That made you think, oh this may work . No, i think that this is been inevitable from the very beginning, and i think it was just, a systematic institutional lie in place, that i think perpetuated, just to make sure the american people believed, that this investment in afghanistan, 20 years almost 2500 u. S. Lives, and 2. 2 five trillion dollars was worth it. So that we could keep staying there, and they perpetuated that on the news right, now theyre almost saying that we need to go back, because theyre trying to somehow say that it was worthwhile. At the same way that theyre saying that iraq was worthwhile. That the 6. 4 trillion we spent over there was okay. These are the same people that refused to spend just a fraction of that amount of money. Right here in america, building up our infrastructure, and so the real Shock And Surprise for me is it whats happening there didnt realize this was inevitable, when so many people on the ground. It and the reason for that we relied to over it over again about whats happening in afghanistan. We were getting anything and that is a real shame that people in missouri are falling apart right now, and they couldve use the investments that. One of the huge advantages, that this evacuation has, is ongoing discussions with the taliban, ongoing with the other side, that it is allowing this to proceed so far, which is a way theyre not having to evade being shot at by the taliban as they do that. Thats a huge change over the way we left vietnam. Look, i hope it stays that way. Its good right now for the Military Service members, who i know are working around the clock, literally around the clock to make sure that we get as many people out as we can. In so the media is super interested in this right now, where was the media for the last five or ten years for afghanistan . They werent there. In my question now is not about the next five or ten years. Are they going to keep a spotlight on whats going on in afghanistan . So the international community knows whats happening and compress the taliban to do the right thing . Are they just going to look at it right now, and then go ahead and leave. I dont know, but i know we need to do is keep a focus there, so we can make sure to protect everyones best we can. Who actually does have to stay and give them the best life possible. Lucas, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Id love to have you come back at some point to come back at your campaign for senate in missouri, i appreciate you being here tonight. That be great. Id love to come. Coming up, at midnight tonight, Andrew Cuomo will be unemployed. Today it sounded like he was running for governor again. Thats next. 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We are rebuilding our upstate airports. Buffalo is building back. A new laguardia airport, first in 25 years, a new jfk airport, a new Penn Station to end the hellacious conditions of Penn Station. More affordable housing than ever before. These projects are underway. There are essential to complete quickly. And effectively. They are literally building our future. Joining us now is Jay Jacobs Democratic Party chair. Thank you for joining us. You know Andrew Cuomo well, he advised him to resign. When was that speech you were listening to today . A Campaign Peach . I think was a Farewell Speech. I think he was looking to firm up his legacy, and remind voters of all the accomplishments he so proud of and the time hes been in office. I dont think it was a Campaign Speech. One of a saints, whos also leaving office a noble almost as much disgrace as the governor released a statement saying Andrew Cuomo quotes, has no interest in running for office again. That is nothing close to a statement that Andrew Cuomo about Rogue Fukushima are good. What about the scenario in which Andrew Cuomo runs has an independent music is 18 Million. He could be the best funded gubernatorial candidate next time around, running against the democratic nominee who could be governor hopeful at the time or someone else. And a republican worth nominee Andrew Cuomo in the middle as the chair of the party, are you worried about that . Certainly that wouldnt be a good scenario for the party. Or a primary or general election. He reminds Me One Tiny Roosevelt in 1920 1912 went on to become the Bull Moose Party because you can get the republican nomination and went on to Challenge Taft and ended up with the Woodrow Wilson becoming president. You never know what happens in a scenario like that. Andrew cuomo believes the Democratic Party. I will leave him, i take him at his word. He is retiring at this point. Im hopeful that government hopeful, when she comes, and shes totally gonna do such a great job it will put on all the possibilities. Nobody is looking at it from the way that we have to wait and see until it happens. When the new governor takes office she would do so well and all the other problems will mount away. When angela do with the 18 Million he has . He cant distributed to federal candidates because its under new York State rules which are different. He can give it to your party, here state Democratic Party. Am going to ask him for that 80 Million . I can chair the Wiring Instructions with them if you like. Covid more than happy to take some of that money into the party. I dont think the governor has even thought of those things. He is gonna remain a reproductive and positive force in the party, and in politics. His health with those fines and other assets certainly would be something we appreciate. Is that kind of morally acceptable to the new York State attorney party. And you must say are worth 80 Million and gives it to the people of new york here and there that he favors in particular and possibly and a Grudge Match against others who he resents based on last year of his career which is worked out as governor. Youll find what he does with that, i hear you live with her or not. I would say, 18 Million is a lot of money to have and the campaign account. You are not running for reelection. I dont expect him to be running for office again. I think it would be helpful for him to give someone that money to the State Party if you would like. It is certainly his prerogative and his option to give it to you whomever he chooses under new York State law, which candidates you choose, hes limited her hits in the runny. He might want to give it to charity, that would be a very good reason as well. Giving it to cause it so help people around the state. Something i think would enhance his image and his legacy. Are you going to support Kathy Hochul . Kathy hochul and ive been friends for a very long time. Its not improper for me right now to give an endorsement, but i will tell you i have every expectation that when the people of new York State get to meet Kathy Hochul and understand the type of leader that shes going to be, theyre going to like her and i think that glue is going to end the story in terms of whats gonna happen with the democratic nomination. Its all in time and we will see what the future brings thus. I feel good about kathy become our governor and she will be supportive. Jacob, thank you freelancers last fruits of the common ministration we look forward to your ideas on the hochul administration. Thank you for being here tonight. Thank you for having me. Thank you. We will be right back. E right back than the leading Allergy Spray at hour one. [ Deep Inhale ] claritind. Get more airflow. The new Citi Custom cash℠ card, a different kind of card that rewards Rashida And Dan where their spending is trending. 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