Authorization. Modernas up next. Then j j. This afternoon, President Biden had a blunt message for the unvaccinated. If youre one of the millions of americans who said that they will not get the shot until it has full and final approval of the fda, it has now happened. The moment youve been waiting for is here. Its time for you to go get your vaccination and get it today. If youre a business leader, a nonprofit leader, a state or local leader who has been waiting for full Fda Approval to require vaccinations, i call on you now to do that. Require it. Medical experts are also weighing in, as you might imagine, saying this is a critical vote of confidence that points to the vaccines safety. The full Approval Process means that this vaccine now has checked every box and dotted every i and crossed every t that every other fully approved vaccine has done. The fda is the Gold Standard in the world in terms of a regulatory body. Theres no other national regulatory authority that matches the fda. Now, according to our Nbc News count, total covid cases in the United States have now passed 38 million. 1 Million new cases have been added over just these last six days. Cdc data showing over 51 of us are now fully vaccinated. Nearly 61 have had at least one dose. And as the president recommended, more Vaccine Mandates are going into effect. Earlier today, the countrys largest School System announced its own rules. All teachers and staff in the new York City public School System must have at least one dose in them by september 27. Pentagon also preparing to send specific Vaccination Guidelines to over A Million active Duty Service members. Meanwhile, speaking of the active duty u. S. Military, the White House is speeding up the vaccinations out of afghanistan now with eight days left officially until the August 31 Troop Withdrawal deadline. The administration says in the past 24 hours, nearly 11,000 people have been evacuated from kabul. 48,000 have been airlifted out since august the 14th. Crowds desperate to leave afghanistan remain outside the Airport Gates where its bedlam. The pentagon says u. S. Military commanders are in contact with the taliban. Today we learned about another mission to rescue Stranded Americans outside the airport. The commanders on the ground certainly have the authorities they need to pursue opportunities to bring people in. And one of the means at their disposal is of course rotary aircraft helicopters. And we have done that on a couple of occasions. I certainly wouldnt rule out that we would do it again if it was the best way. So for the record, a couple of extractions thus far. Meanwhile theres increasing pressure on biden to extend that August 31 deadline for Troop Withdrawal. While hes left the door open to that possibility, leaders in the taliban have declared that a red line. Today the White House was asked about the taliban resistance and the President S plans. Were in talks with the taliban on a daily basis through political and security channels. Reporter has the president decided whether hell need more time beyond August 31 . Hes taking this day by day and were making determinations as we go. We believe we have time between now and the 31st to get out any american who wants to get out. Just to the members of the House Intelligence Committee received a classified briefing on afghanistan. Their chairman, adam schiff, democrat of california, expressed his doubts that the Evacuation Mission will indeed be accomplished by The End of august. I think its possible but i think its very unlikely. Im certainly of the view that we maintain a Military Presence as long as is necessary to get all u. S. Persons out and to meet our moral and ethical obligation to our afghan partners. I think the threat to the airport is very real and very substantial. And this has been a concern of mine for some days now, that this would make a very attractive target for isis. Tomorrow the president will speak with this countrys allies in the g7 about the situation in afghanistan. With that, lets bring in our Starting Line on this monday night. Phillip rucker, senior Washington Correspondent at the Washington Post, coauthor of the New York Times bestseller i alone can fix it. Rick stengel, former secretary of state for public diplomacy in the obama administration, former Managing Editor of time magazine. Dr. Celine gounder, professor of Infectious Diseases at nyu, part of a panel that advised the biden Transition Team on covid19. Doctor, given the gravity of todays news, in your line of work, i would like to begin with you and begin with this comment from dr. Fauci earlier tonight. There is a survey that says about 30 of people who are saying they wanted to wait for the stamp of approval, for the imprimatur, to get vaccinated. I hope they come through on what their word and their statement was. For those still hesitant, i believe we should have many more mandates. If people want to participate in things that have the safety of other people at stake, they need to get vaccinated. So doctor, for you, a twopart question, if you would. Number one, how Big A Benchmark is this to you and your colleagues in your profession, but part two, do you really think this will change the minds of antivaxxers . Brian, i dont think this is really going to sway people who have been reluctant to get vaccinated. If you look at that same Kaiser Family Foundation survey that dr. Fauci was citing there, many of these people did not understand the difference between an Emergency Use Authorization and a full approval. This is really a surrogate for people who are just concerned about the safety of the vaccine and were expressing it through that survey with that question. Where i think the approval, the Fda Approval today will have a big impact is by giving additional legal and social cover to employers to mandate vaccinations. And even before this, they had the legal authority to do so, but just since todays full approval, youve had a number of employers, the pentagon, cbs, chevron, a number of universities and new York City public schools who have said theyre going to mandate vaccinations. I think well see a tidal wave of these over the coming days. It will play out differently by type of employer, type of employee, corporations may come on board. They may mandate their corporate employees first, their Front Line employees later. Small and medium size businesses will be more geographically dependent. Some may fear backlash from local communities if they impose mandates. What a complicated world out there. Phil rucker, im curious as to what youre hearing from the White House tonight. Theyre cheerleading the pfizer development, as they must. But are they at the same time as realistic as dr. Gounder . Well, brian, theyre certainly realistic in that they know that this single announcement from the fda About Pfizer is not going to be some sort of green Light And Switch that suddenly means everybody who has been hesitant to get the vaccine will go out tomorrow and get the vaccine. That said, theyre buoyed by a number of factors. Both the data of the growing number of people who are getting vaccinated now. As of a few weeks ago, that number seems to be growing. And the Parent Effectiveness of some of the Vaccine Mandates that were seeing in different Concert Venues or Sporting Venues or Mask Gathering sites around the country. Theres been anecdotal evidence that that seems to be working, lines forming outside Sporting Venues and other venues of people actually getting the shot onsite in order to gain thanks for joining us Gain Attendance for those events. That is expected to grow with the approval for the Pfizer Vaccine, which is good news for the White House, which is concerned, obviously, with the large number of americans who have not been vaccinated and sort of at a loss with how to communicate, how to message to those people to convince them to get on board with the program. And rick stengel, over to you your line of work, the unique intersection of diplomacy and communications, specifically about this August 31 deadline. End of this month, we will be wheels up and out of kabul, or so say the taliban. We keep mentioning were communicating with the taliban. If we choose to stay, if we feel compelled to stay, are we asking or telling . Its a good question, brian. I think were telling. We are apparently in communication with the taliban. The taliban do not want us to hang around there. They are afraid of american power. Theyre afraid that we now have whatever it is, 5 or 6,000 troops there. Thats not the plan that they want. But i think the president was smart to socialize the idea, as they say, that we might stay beyond the 31st deadline. So you wont have people in the press like us saying waving a finger at him and saying, you said the 31st and now youre staying longer. He said, look, we might have to stay longer, for a very good reason, we want to get every last american out of there and as many of the afghans who helped us out of there. So i think hes already put the idea in the water. And i think people will be fine if we have to stay longer, i dont think anyone wants us to stay much longer than that, however. Dr. Gounder, back to you, and back to our lead story, the pandemic of the unvaccinated. Are we still headed, numberswise, as you survey the country, in the wrong direction . And whats going to really pull us out of that palpably . Brian, i think we are still looking at a fairly challenging fall. We are still in this delta surge. We are about to see a lot of kids go back to school, at least some people go back to the office, some will do so with masks and improved ventilation, some will not. So i think that will lead to a bump in transmission in cases over the course of september. I think well see this peak around october. Then well probably have a lull, a bit of a lull, hopefully, before the thanksgiving, christmas, and new years holidays where we saw a Triple Hump of a surge, because thats when people travel, they spend time, less guarded, less masked around family and friends. And i think the main thing that we can do to curb that is get vaccinated, wear masks, and try to improve indoor Ventilation And Air filtration. And thats been a challenging ask throughout this pandemic. Phil rucker, all of this happens, of course, against a political backdrop that basically rules our lives in this modern era. In your reporting, have you detected any real signs that among his fellow democrats, this president is now viewed at all differently in his standing, in his viability, even his potential vulnerability . I think he seen differently in part because of whats playing out in afghanistan, brian. Weve seen that register in some of the early public opinion polls that have come back these past couple of days. His Approval Rating has dipped. It had been of course at a peak as it is for many new President S through the spring. He was getting some bipartisan support, especially on his handling of the coronavirus pandemic. And this has been a difficult summer. And his fellow democrats, bidens fellow democrats are looking ahead to the midterm elections and theyre very concerned. Theres a lot of quiet chatter within the democratic party among the top operatives, lawmakers, and officials here in washington that the democrats are destined to lose the House Majority and may lose the Senate Majority as well. Its not a good sign to see their President S Approval Rating slip the way they have these past couple of weeks. Its not to say all is lost. Democrats are buoyed by this infrastructure deal, if that deal ever becomes law that could be a big win for Biden And Something he could carry to voters in the fall and next year. But its been a difficult and challenging couple of weeks for the biden presidency when you just look at the raw politics. Rick stengel, lets talk about the big Agenda Item on the President S schedule tomorrow, thats the g7. Between the two of us, weve covered a fair amount of them, g7, g8, the Numbers Change but the job doesnt. Youve been on the other side of the velvet rope, caucusing with the Home Team prior to one. What kind of g7 will the President Encounter Tomorrow . Do you think it will be tense or do you think it may be less so because theyre all kind of professionals and realists and a lot of them have skin in this game during the evacuation . Yes, brian, i mean, i think it will be less tense than when the other guy went over there, who never expressed much support for the transatlantic alliance or nato. I think, you know, people understand that biden is a supporter of these global alliances. They understand where hes coming from. Hes been doing this for 40 years. I think, you know, weve always been less grateful, i think, than we should have been for the help weve had from our allies in afghanistan. As you know, brian, the only time Article V of the Nato Agreement was ever invoked was after 9 11 when our nato brethren said well come to the aid of the United States. The number of casualties our allies have had, the british, the australians, the canadians, theyve had a lot of sacrifice too. And i think we need to thank them, we need to be grateful to them. We need to have them be involved in this exit in as graceful a way as possible. I think our allies understand that. They want everything to go as well as possible. They want to heal the Breach And Move on. Youre absolutely right, we fought Side By side in the trenches in europe, on the beaches of normandy, All The Way through the present day. Our thanks to our Starting Line, phil rucker, rick stengel, dr. Celine gounder, thanks for starting the week off with us. Coming up, whats the chance moderate democrats would want to sink their own President S congressional agenda . And why should you care . Well put that question to our political experts. And later, she warned that the internet is a Petri Dish for Conspiracy Theories and utter nonsense about the virus dressed up as news and information. She was right about that. And now people are dying from it. 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So this isnt some Meeting Room where two parties sit down and hash out their differences. He was talking about negotiations between democrats. Tonight, theyve gone late into the night, in fact, as theyve tried to reach a deal on infrastructure. At least nine centrist house democrats have signaled theyre going to vote against the democrats 3. 5 trillion budget unless 1 Trillion bipartisan Infrastructure Bill is voted on first. The group released a column in the Washington Post writing this in part. Quote, you dont hold up a Majority Priority of the country and millions of jobs as some form of leverage. The Infrastructure Bill is not a political football. Back with us tonight, eugene robinson, Pulitzer Prize winning Columnist Foyer the Washington Post, amy stoddard, veteran washington reporter. A. B. , because you are fluent in congress, for the members of our audience, and maybe your host, can you please explain what is going on . Okay. Without getting too much into confusing process detail, they are having a process fight, just as Congressman Jeffries was talking about, which is a battle over whether or not to consider what is already a real bill that has broad bipartisan support, meaning enough republicans in the senate, enough republicans in the house, to pass and be signed into law quickly. It is pretty much a done deal. Whether or not to pass that first or to sort of hold It Hostage to this Reconciliation Package which is the word that the viewers have heard for so long, a special process to wrap around something so that it can pass through the senate with 51 votes instead of 60. In that bill are the Social Welfare programs the democrats are calling Human Infrastructure. The elder care, the childcare, the two years of community college, the climate provisions, the expansion of medicare, the changes to the tax code. It is a total of 3. 5 trillion. But it actually, with all its bells and whistles and funny federal math, ends up being much more. So the idea is to hold this super popular 70 of the country agrees with it and wants it, Transportation Project Bill hostage to wait until we figure out the social Welfare Program Bill and do them together so that the second one gets out the door. It is bigger, more expensive, and the house moderates who are the majority makers, did not campaign on it. That is why thecentrists are saying if you dont let us get this win, that 70 of americans want, to the President S desk, we will vote against it. The liberals are saying, if you hold this hostage, we wont vote for the Transportation Bill. Hundreds of democrats would vote on the Transportation Bill if it stood alone but theyll hold off on any support if its coupled with the Human Infrastructure package. As tempting as it would be for President Biden to leave the progressive Flank Hanging and get his bipartisan win, hes backing the speaker and saying they have to be combined and the nine centrists are saying no deal. Theyre in her office now, dinner has been ordered, and theres no resolution. Eugene and i join our audience in quiet clapping, God Love you for that answer and for taking on that question. Eugene, true or false. Only democrats are capable of adding a mess for the president of their own party already dealing with a still out of Control Pandemic and oh, by the way, dunkirk by air half a world away. Well, i do recall times when the Freedom Caucus on the republican side, for example, made Big Trouble for republican President S. So democrats perhaps are uniquely talented at this. And look, with the majority as slim as Nancy Pelosis, everybodys a majority maker, right . The moderates are, but you need the progressives, youre not going anywhere without them. So this is very difficult for her and shes got them in the Office And Shell feed em and shell cajole them and shell do what she does. Im on the record as saying i believe Nancy Pelosi is quite good at this. This wouldnt be the first time that people have written legislation off as doomed but she has managed to resurrect, to find a way around. Shes very clever at getting her caucus writ large to do what she needs it to do. This is a tough one. But she does know what shes doing. Both of our guests, thankfully, are going to stick around while i get to a commercial break. And Coming Up after that, when we resume our conversation, well tell you why some Rally Attendees in alabama were not happy with what they heard from a certain twiceimpeached, now retired former president. Well also read You A Quote From What Eugene has written on the topic when we come back. Oh, i gotta tell everyone. Hey rita, you can earn 3 on dining, including takeout bon appetit. 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Take the vaccines. Thats okay, thats all right. You got your freedoms. But i happened to take the vaccine. If it doesnt work, youll be the first to know. Those were what we used to call jeers and cat calls that happened in alabama, a state with one of the lowest Vaccination Rates in the country. Aaron blake of the Washington Post put it this way. Quote, Saturday Night demonstrated how difficult it will be to combat the Conspiracy Theories that have infected the republican partys base, particularly if trump, who minds his base relentlessly, responds to the rebuke by backing away from vaccines. Still here with us tonight, eugene robinson, a. B. Stoddard. Eugene, i promised to quote from you. Here it is. You are already familiar with it. For our listeners and viewers, if reason, patriotism and clear Selfinterest Wont convince reluctant americans to protect themselves and their communities against covid19, maybe the threat of not being able to work, go to school, or lead anything like a normal life will do the trick. Eugene, first off, thats an optimistic view. Second, have the vaccinated americans been tiptoeing to too great an extent around the unvaccinated, is it time to play a little rougher . Well, look, i know a lot of vaccinated people who have been the tiptoeing at all, who are quite angry that so many people have chosen not to be vaccinated, because that makes this a more dangerous country, a more dangerous world for all of us, especially with the Delta Variant running rampant. However, now that the Pfizer Vaccine has full Fda Approval, theres no sort of excuse, its just temporary emergency use, you know, who knows, well, now we know, its fully approved. So i support, especially employers, like my employer, the Washington Post, which has made vaccination a condition of continued employment, full stop. Universities like my alma mater, the university of michigan, like the University Of Virginia, like many universities around the country who have said to students returning in the fall, be vaccinated. So a number of students, a small number of students of University Of Virginia who did not get vaccinated were disenrolled and will not be invited back to campus. I think these mandates work, for people on the fence, maybe not for the hardest hard core, but people who are reluctant, you know, if you cant work, you cant go to school, you cant go out anywhere, heck, get the shot. And thats what we need in The End, get the shot. A. B. , youve written a lot about ron desantis, the situation in florida. They are peaking today. A number of doctors staged a walkout, figuring, correctly, that it would be very much a visual. The people we need and depend on right now, especially in florida, more than any other, they are so sick and tired of being sick and tired, because they are seeing Unvaccinated Floridians stream into their ers and icus that this is the way they decided to get attention. A. B. , do you ever allow yourself the luxury of the Thought Experiment to think about how we got to this level of Vaccine Denial and is this kind of the ultimate Goingaway Gift of Trump And Trumpism . Brian, darkly, to give the antivaxx movement credit, they were flourishing long before Donald Trump became a candidate or became president. But his flirtation with questioning the connection between vaccines and autism certainly helped fuel their movement. And so did the explosion of disinformation on Social Media. And trumps refusal to brand, market, and Lobby And Campaign for the covid vaccines in the time he had left in office, and the fact that he got the vaccine in secret, and sort of begrudgingly since then has said, yeah, i got the vaccine. Saturday night was the most hes really talked about it, its usually three words and he moves on. Its interesting, his imprimatur, his enthusiasm about this would have changed things, it would have moved more of the numbers in trump country, but he didnt do it. We are in a dark place, because people who are traumatized in our Health Care system, who are supposed to save us and take in every person who is sick and cure all of their ills, are being treated as if icu beds are for covid patients only who did not receive a vaccine. So they wouldnt take the shot to protect themselves or us, but then when they get there, they get the beds. And everyone else has to fend for themselves. So the Health Care workers are in a rage. People who are not sick with covid, who have other problems and need medical care and are vaccinated, are in a rage. As eugene said, this is becoming very visceral. Thats why you saw the biden Administration Step in recently where they had been avoiding this and start pushing on mandates. They really tried to stay out of this debate and now theyre all in, because the polling on Mask Mandates and Vaccine Mandates is quite heartening. Its very theyre very, very popular. And it really shows theres a real movement in this country against the unvaccinated who are making who are really just breaking our Health Care system. Two friends of this broadcast who really came to play tonight, we appreciate it. Eugene robinson, a. B. Stoddard, thank you so much for your comments and your thoughts. 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And Joan Donovan has a warning as reported by the boston globe, and we quote, if facebook, twitter, youtube and other Social Media Companies dont change their algorithms, any number of recent lies spreading online could take hold in the next few months and threaten the national discourse around the pandemic recovery, climate change, and racial inequality. For more were happy to welcome to the broadcast the aforementioned Joan Donovan. Shes Research Director of the Shorenstein Center for Public Policy at the harvard kennedy school, an expert on Media Misinformation and disinformation. Joan, dr. Fauci famously said, its a good thing this much antivaxx sentiment wasnt in the water when we were trying to cure Smallpox And Polio or we would still today be dealing with rampant Smallpox And Polio. And i think hes probably right, sadly. What did you see that the rest of us didnt . What were the early signs that were predictors to you of exactly what were living now . I try as a Research Director to keep an eye on as many possible things as we can see online. There are certain elements here we look at. We look at actors, behavior, content, and the design of Social Media systems. But we really do keep a very close eye on politicians in particular as well as journalists, because theres no communication without misinformation online. So theres always going to be misinformation. But we look at when certain tropes get picked up by influential individuals which then leads to much more amplification, much more attention to key wedge issues. If you look across the globe, there are different ways in which disinformation forms and travels. And in the u. S. , issues to do with race and then also with the pandemic are at the forefront of where we see the most disinformation. Our enemies have always said, according to the intel experts, that its better to be at war even if its a war of intelligence and words and Social Media against an opponent that is battling illness, battling strife. And indeed, for a minor investment they can get all they want because were a trusting society, and Social Media has no barrier to entry. What have been your greatest, emphasize worst, but greatest Hits List lately in what youve been seeing in the Information Disinformation campaigns . Whats the worst of it out there . I think in the u. S. , the fact that were still dealing with antimask sentiment is pretty astounding based on the fact that we know what the science is now, we have a very densely networked set of doctors globally that are Trading Information and are keeping Each Other abreast of any developments with the pandemic. But in the United States, there still seems to be this debate. And we see it actually playing out in School Boards as well, that Children Cant get sick from covid, that the masks dont work, that the vaccines are something that should be a personal choice, of course we saw that with the Trump Speech last night, and the booing. And so for me its still first and foremost, we have to understand that science is something that evolves and that we need to keep up with it, we need to keep track of it. But disinformation evolves as well, alongside these new discoveries. And we have to be very attuned to the fact that were seeing more and more scientific looking papers that are just trying to trade on attention and sow political discord rather than give people the information they need to stay safe. Well, think about it, the fda just today felt compelled to tweet out to americans not to take a Deworming Agent meant for horses and cows. If you look, there is a ton of alleged scholarship on this medication that you can find at your Country Vet but shouldnt be able to put in your body during a pandemic. Would you concede that Social Media Companies are getting a bit better from their early stance, look, were just publisherers, were not going to meddle with content, were just publishers. Are they getting better, and how can they get much better at this . Well, were starting to see the different companies take different tracks, which has been very interesting in this field to see. Some of the researchers get some have ended up at facebook that were previously at nonprofits. Were seeing twitter add in curators to their Trending Algorithm to ensure that the things that are trending have more context. I have called for adding more librarians into the Tech Stack so that people do have more information when theyre searching for things. And to your point about the deworming medication, we are seeing an uptick. We can look for signs off of Social Media as well, that disinformation or medical misinformation is having an impact. Poison control centers are being tasked with now answering peoples questions about, well, i just took this thing that was, you know, dosed for a horse, and i dont feel so well, right . So we have to look outside of the Social Media Companies as well. But by and large, i think were starting to see some positive momentum across several of the Social Media Companies to deal with these problems. But were very much still in the phase where were still learning what the patterns are. Were still learning who the actors are. And the biggest shift from 2016 to 2020 in Political Disinformation was the fact that we didnt see a lot of anonymous actors. We actually saw many more people who are political pundits or far right provocateurs entering into the frame here, and burnishing their accounts in the process. 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Alex jones, who sits at the very top of the Conspiracy Theory Aristocracy in the United States, Alex Jones of info wars, a platinum status antivaxxer, appears to have turned on Donald Trump, who this weekend, as we showed you in alabama, gave the most cursory endorsement of the vaccine. They didnt create a vaccine. They created a frankenstein. And now theyve got you signed up to it. Now the left is saying you better get out there and push it and you are. Cnn comes out and says we need to see trump get the shots and within weeks of them saying over and over again, cnn snaps their fingers, Jeff Zucker snaps his fingers and trump clicks his heels and hops to attention and says how high do you want me to jump, boss. Shame on you, trump. If you dont have the good sense to save your political career, at least youll get republicans elected. We like you. But my god, maybe trump is actually a dumbass. So when youve lost Alex Jones, youve lost the man who said the parents of the dead children at Sandy Hook Elementary in new town, connecticut were crisis actors and that the whole thing was staged by the federal government. And ill quote the late Ron Popeil here, but wait, theres more. Roger stone has turned on steve bannon. Roger stone wrote on friday, complete with some typos that youll see, and we quote, Robert Mueller Informant and Perjurer Steve Bannon doesnt know his ass from his elbow. Shes a grifter, a fat, ugly, inarticulate, poorly groomed alcoholic with delusions of grandeur. He has never elected anybody to public office in his life, most particularly Donald Trump who is his own man and implemented his own strategy. Despite being an informant for Robert Mueller they indicted him anyway and he will soon be recharged in new york. Youll see me at his trial in the Front Row and i will not leave until he is convicted and jailed. Now, remember the Back Story here. Its not just about two grown men proving who loves trump more. This was an old School Takedown by Roger Stone who wrote the book on that. And while bannon may not be big on personal grooming habits, he has been grooming a fleet of acolytes at breitbart and in the Trump World and they are now likely girding for a fight with mr. Stone. So it might get even more interesting in short order. That for us is our broadcast for this monday night. With our thanks for being with us, asas we start a new week. On the behalf of all of our colleagues at the networks of Nbc News, goodnight. Happy to have you here. Cnn is reporting tonight on whats sounds like it might be a dramatic turn, in the investigation into the January 6th attack on the capitol. Nbc news has not verified this reporting, im just siding with cnn has reported this evening. If in fact this is worn out, this would be sort of a big hairy deal. With cnn is reporting tonight is that the january six investigation, the select committee investigation attacking, they are about to send requests to Cell Phone providers. Requesting that