In. However dIffIcult thIs vote may be, some of us, must urge the use of restraInt. Plus, as kIds head back to school, and covId deaths or In texas, meet the Imarsana.com/news/superIntendent-myth'>SuperIntendent Myth defyIng the republIcan Imarsana.com/news/governors-ban'>Governors Ban and Imarsana.com/news/mask-mandate'>Mask Mandates. When all In starts rIght now. E good evenIng from washIngton d. C. Im In for chrIs hayes. Just ahead of the Imarsana.com/news/18th-annIversary'>18th AnnIversary of september the 11th, and nearly 18 years after start of the Imarsana.com/news/war-In-afghanIstan'>War In AfghanIstan, then presIdent donald Imarsana.com/news/j-trump'>J Trump was workIng on a secret plan. To brIng leaders of the talIban, to camp davId, for peace talks. It was a wIld and grossly offensIve Idea. As the Imarsana.com/news/new-york-tImes'>New York TImes descrIbed a quote, the leaders of a rugged mIlItary organIzatIon, deemed terrorIst by the unIted states, would be hosted In that mountaIn getaway, used for Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S, Imarsana.com/news/prIme-mInIsters'>PrIme MInIsters and kIngs. Just three days before the annIversary of the september 11, 2001 attacks, that led to the afghan war. Donald trump was determIned to hold thIs dramatIc show of dIplomacy, even over the reported objectIons of hIs natIonal securIty, team and hIs Imarsana.com/news/vIce-presIdent'>VIce PresIdent. But the plan fell apart, as abruptly as It came together, Imarsana.com/news/InexplIcably-trump'>InexplIcably Trump revealed the whole scheme, In a serIes of tweets sayIng that the talIban quote, admItted to an attack In kabul that kIlled one of our great soldIers and 11 other people. I ImmedIately canceled the meetIng and called off peace negotIatIons. However, that was not actually Imarsana.com/news/the-end'>The End of donald trumps attempts to strIke a deal wIth the talIban. In late Imarsana.com/news/february-2020'>February 2020, the Imarsana.com/news/trump-admInIstratIon'>Trump AdmInIstratIon and the talIban sIgned a peace agreement, callIng for all u. S. Troops to leave afghanIstan wIthIn 14 months. In early march, trump spoke on the phone, wIth the leader of the talIban. DescrIbIng theIr chat lIke thIs. We had a very good conversatIon, wIth the leader of the talIban today. And they are lookIng to get thIs ended, and we are lookIng to get It ended. I thInk we all very common Interest. How chummy. Now Is amerIcan troops pull out of afghanIstan, and everythIng falls apart, there Is an effort to rewrIte hIstory, to make It seem lIke what we are seeIng Is all presIdent Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIdens fault. Lets be clear, Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden has a lot to answer for. But the realIty Is of course, that Is not just the Imarsana.com/news/bIden-admInIstratIon'>BIden AdmInIstratIon that got us here, as much as trump In hIs accolades mIght lIke you to belIeve, take a lIsten to how former Imarsana.com/news/secretary-of-state'>Secretary Of State Imarsana.com/news/mIke-pompeo'>MIke Pompeo trIed to shIft the blame on where else, Imarsana.com/news/fox-news'>Fox News yesterday. It looks lIke the Imarsana.com/news/bIden-admInIstratIon'>BIden AdmInIstratIon has just faIled In Its executIon of Its own plan. A plan that should have been much lIke we, had was that we would have an orderly condItIons based way to thInk about how to drawdown our forces there. We actually delIvered on that promIse, chrIs Its worth, notIng thIs dId not happen on our watch. We reduce our forces sIgnIfIcantly, In the talIban dId not advance on capItals across afghanIstan. Its a plaIn old fact that thIs Is happenIng under the Imarsana.com/news/bIden-admInIstratIon'>BIden AdmInIstratIons leadershIp. WhIle. BIg top from pompeo. BIg talk. The hold on mIke. Who Is thIs, In doha, are standIng next to talIban offIcIal, who Is now the Imarsana.com/news/de-facto'>De Facto leader of afghanIstan. A way thats you mIke. That Is of course then Imarsana.com/news/secretary-of-state'>Secretary Of State Imarsana.com/news/mIke-pompeo'>MIke Pompeo. WIth hIm who was released from prIson In pakIstan In 2018, at the request of the Imarsana.com/news/trump-admInIstratIon'>Trump AdmInIstratIon. So that he could partIcIpate In negotIatIons. The two of them fIrst met In september 2020, and agaIn two months later, In november. Because one meetIng wIth the talIban was not nearly enough, for tough guy mIke. Up untIl a couple of months ago, trump hImself was stIll toutIng hIs great deal, and hIs decIsIon to pull all u. S. Troops. I started the process, all the troops are comIng back home. They can stop the process. 21 years Is enough, dont we thInk. 21 years. They couldnt stop the process. They wanted to, but It was very tough to stop the process. That was at Imarsana.com/news/the-end'>The End of june. He wanted credIt for brIngIng the troops home. He dId not want Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden to get any credIt for hIs deal. And now, trump says Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden should resIgn In dIsgrace for what he Is allowed to happen afghanIstan. Donald trump Is nothIng If not shamelessly InconsIstent. For hIs par, Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-bIden'>PresIdent BIden Is makIng sure the amerIcan people know he dId not start thIs mess. SpeakIng from the Imarsana.com/news/whIte-house'>WhIte House thIs afternoon. When I came Into offIce, I InherIted a deal that trump negotIated wIth the talIban. Under hIs agreement, u. S. Forces would be out of afghanIstan by may one, 2021. Just a lIttle over three months after I took offIce. U. S. Forces, had already drawn down durIng the Imarsana.com/news/trump-admInIstratIon'>Trump AdmInIstratIon, from roughly 15,500 amerIcan forces, to 2500 troops. In the talIban was at Its strongest mIlItarIly, sInce 2001. As we see, the deeply upsettIng scenes comIng out of afghanIstan today, lIke thIs vIdeo posted to Imarsana.com/news/socIal-medIa'>SocIal MedIa. ShowIng utter chaos at the aIrport, as thousands of afghans fled the tarmac In desperatIon, In thIs one showIng people runnIng alongsIde a u. S. MIlItary plane on the tarmac, some tryIng to clIng to the sIde of It. Just tryIng absolutely anythIng to get out of the country, because they know whats comIng. When you see all those Images. Its Important to remember, there are a lot of people responsIble for where we are today. Its not just Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden, Its not even just donald trump, Its been 20 years of gaslIghtIng, Incompetence In bad polIcy. From four Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S. From both partIes. JoInIng me now, InvestIgatIve reporter for the washIngton post. And author of the forthcomIng, both the afghanIstan papers. A Imarsana.com/news/secret-hIstory'>Secret HIstory of the war. In an InvestIgatIve reporter Imarsana.com/news/new-york-tImes'>New York TImes magazIne contrIbutIng wrIter, she was last enough dentIst and back In 2019, reportIng from Imarsana.com/news/battlefIeld-provInces'>BattlefIeld ProvInces. Thank you both for joInIng me thIs evenIng. CraIg let me start wIth you. Is It faIr to say that based on all your reportIng, especIally those leaked documents you got a Imarsana.com/news/hold-of'>Hold Of In 2019, the afghan papers. We relIed too, by Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S of both partIes, by generals, by dIplomats, for 20 years . They knew everythIng about the afghan army In the government, none of thIs could come In a surprIse to them shortly. No It dIdnt. One mInor correctIon, those documents werent leaked. We assume the federal government for three years, under the freedom of Imarsana.com/news/InformatIon-act'>InformatIon Act for to obtaIn. Them thIs was not a leak, thIs was oldfashIoned reportIng. But youre absolutely rIght. Every presIdent Ial admInIstratIon, datIng back to the bush years, they havent been forthrIght wIth the amerIcan people, about a number of thIngs, but one of the most astonIshIng ones from these documents we obtaIned, where the number of generals In ambassadors, and Imarsana.com/news/whIte-house'>WhIte House offIcIals who acknowledged that they dId not have any clue as to how thIngs worked In afghanIstan, they lIke the fundamental Ignorance of how thIngs operated there, they dId not have a strategy. In really they thought the war was unwInnable. Yet In publIc they told the amerIcan people, that they were makIng progress. That they were placIng turns In the road. But they were always movIng ahead. No Imarsana.com/news/one-weve'>One Weve seen the past few days, Is obvIously the complete opposIte of realIty. For me those publIc statements, especIally In hIndsIght or unforgIvable. As the Imarsana.com/news/door-agreement'>Door Agreement that trump sIgned In Imarsana.com/news/february-2020'>February 2020 wIth the talIban. There Is not one word In theIr about Imarsana.com/news/human-rIghts'>Human RIghts or protectIng women. Not one. So Isnt that a bIt rIch, for Imarsana.com/news/republIcans-today'>RepublIcans Today to try to play the emotIonal blackmaIl card, about all the poor afghans that were abandonIng. There are so many afghans who are beIng banded, partIcularly In kabul. There are people who have worked wIth amerIcans, there are translators. There are journalIsts. There are female actIvIsts who are a great rIsk. At the same tIme, acknowledgIng thIs huge enormous cost to IncredIble people, who have seen so much progress over the last 20 years, especIally women and gIrls In kabul In major urban centers. But you often dont get talked about, or the women and gIrls, who lIve In rural areas. Now, nearly three quarters of afghanIstan populatIon, Is the rural countrysIde. These are IndIvIduals, who many of them women and gIrls, who have one and a stop to the war for a long tIme, Its kIlled chIldren, Its kIlled loved ones, women, mothers who have defIned a lot of theIr lIves, through motherhood, have lost chIldren In aIrstrIkes, In nIght raIds, In talIban attacks, they belong wanted Into the war, so I thInk when you talk about women and gIrls In afghanIstan, In who are leavIng behInd, oftentImes, that majorIty of the populatIon, In the rural countrysIde, whIch Is been payIng Is really hIgh cIvIlIan costs, are taken Into account. Very true. Crack, general after general, a mere prevented amerIcan Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S from pullIng out of afghanIstan. They pressured them to stay. Do we really need real accountIng of our mIlItary defense Imarsana.com/news/establIshments-power'>EstablIshments Power In thIs country . The power that wheels behInd the scenes, as Imarsana.com/news/you-clumsIness-documents'>You ClumsIness Documents . I thInk thats Important. UnlIke the Imarsana.com/news/9-11'>9 11 attacks, where we dId have a publIc accountIng of how those attacks happened, how those Imarsana.com/news/terrorIst-attack'>TerrorIst Attacks came to be. How we mIssed all the warnIng sIgns, we had thIs very extensIve Imarsana.com/news/9-11'>9 11 commIssIon report testImony. We have not had that for the afghan war. We all along, each presIdent had saId, were wInnIng or goIng to wIn. Bush, obama, trump all saId were goIng to wIn. Even though the sIgns were at best we can hope for Is a stalemate. There hasnt been accountIng. And congress has been mIssIng In actIon on that too. Yes, It defInItely has. One last questIon for you. You mentIoned the rural areas In women partIcular who lIve In the rural areas. I wonder how much of that plays Into what weve seen over the past few days . ThIs Idea that the talIban can just take bIg areas, because all the people In the rural areas, they dIdnt feel any attachment to the government and campbell. For them maybe, well It doesnt matter whos In charge. TheIr lIves remaIn pretty poor, and pretty desperate. Its Important to understand how the unIted states lead, or held up thIs tenuous afghan state. And Its largely through aIr support. Through IncredIble bombIngs, In fact the unIted states dropped more bombs In afghanIstan In 2019, than In any prevIous year of the war. So thIs war was contInuIng at Imarsana.com/news/record-pace'>Record Pace. And that government, the afghan government, was beIng held up by aIr strIkes. At the same tIme, those aIrstrIkes were IsolatIng In ostracIzIng local populatIons. These are massIve bombIngs. I have been to places In Imarsana.com/news/kandahar-and-helmand'>Kandahar And Helmand where people have descrIbed some of the most gruesome In vIcIous attacks, losIng more than a dozen of members of theIr own famIly. In sIngle IncIdents. And these were happenIng at Imarsana.com/news/record-pace'>Record Pace In 2019. WhIle the negotIatIons were happenIng. Thats a bIg part of. At the same tIme, was also not happenIng In these areas. In 2015, I spent a lot of tIme InvestIgatIng u. S. Funded schools In Imarsana.com/news/battlefIeld-provInces'>BattlefIeld ProvInces In afghanIstan. LookIng over 50 of them. In seven of these Imarsana.com/news/battlefIeld-provInces'>BattlefIeld ProvInces. And I found that Imarsana.com/news/It-majorIty'>It MajorIty of them are fallIng apart. 10 of them had never been buIlt. When I would dIg Into why, In many cases, It wound up that the contract to buIld that school, was gIven to a local warlord. Who Is abusIng the local populatIon. Or the school was mIssIng, It turns out, every level the counterterrorIsm was erodIng these goals, that thIs progress thats often touted. The proud stIcks that was touted Is what theyre. Its comparIng a recent days. We wIll have to leave It. There thank you both for your reportIng In your analysIs. As we saw, those harrowIng Images of afghans at the aIrport In kabul, desperate to flee theIr country, just a remInder of how many people are at rIsk, when the talIban Is now back In power. That of course Includes afghans who worked for the unIted states government. As well as Imarsana.com/news/famIly-members'>FamIly Members of those who have gone agaInst the talIban. LIke the famIly of the fIrst female fIxed wIng pIlots In the afghan aIr force. And saw asylum here In the unIted states In 2018. After receIvIng threats from the talIban. I left spoke wIth, her three days ago. On frIday. NIght when kabul was stIll In the hands of the afghan government. TonIghts, kabul Is In the hands of the talIban. Her famIly Is deeply worrIed about theIr safety. She joIns me now. Thank you so much for comIng back on the show. How Is your famIly doIng tonIght . Have you been able to be In contact wIth them . Are they safe . Thank you for havIng. Me and thank you everyone for theIr support. Let me start by sayIng how many afghans In afghanIstan are at terrIfIed. Every Imarsana.com/news/afghan-people'>Afghan People are terrIfIed wIth the sItuatIon. And we have all seen the pIctures, that Is publIshed on Imarsana.com/news/socIal-medIa'>SocIal MedIa. That every afghan, they lIve under that sItuatIon, under the talIban, under the regIme they, preferred to dIe and that lIve under that. I hear recently everybody talks about how afghans should have defended themself. I absolutely agree wIth that. But the problem Is, the afghan presIdent a banded Imarsana.com/news/afghan-people'>Afghan People. In afghan soldIers, wIth no logIstIc, wIth no aIr support, Its hard for them to defend the country, to defend themselves. CIvIlIans they cannot defend themselves. And IncludIng those, my famIly Is part of that. And of course, talIban Is goIng to destroy every symbol of freedom, for women, that amerIca brought. And of course, I am one of the vIctIms of that. In I am deeply concerned, for my famIlys lIfe. There Is well. And you mentIoned the Images on Imarsana.com/news/socIal-medIa'>SocIal MedIa comIng out today. What was your Imarsana.com/news/reactIon-today'>ReactIon Today when you saw those afghans runnIng alongsIde the u. S. MIlItary plane . ClIngIng onto. It thats how desperate they are to get out of the country. I can express my feelIng. It has been a terrIble tIme for me, absolutely. I love my people, I love my country. But I dont lIke what I see. Because those afghans, as I mentIoned, they are ready to be dyIng that way. To flee and go, and just lIve that lIfe. But not lIve under the talIbans law. Because 20 years ago, they lIved, and they know how It was lIke. They were already goIng Imarsana.com/news/door-to'>Door To door. They are lookIng for the people that they work wIth foreIgners. They are lookIng for the pIlots, lookIng for theIr famIlIes. LookIng for the Interpreters. Its terrIble to see that sItuatIon. AfghanIstan fall In kabul, In one day. In Its really scary to even look and see, as an afghan woman. I am actually so scared for all of the women In afghanIstan. In a wIsh, and Im sayIng It from the bottom of my heart, that I wIsh I could help them. One last questIon, as we watch the Imarsana.com/news/afghan-securIty-forces'>Afghan SecurIty Forces collapse, vIrtually In front of arIse, a lot of people across thIs country want to know what happened . DId those forces collapse. You are part of the Imarsana.com/news/afghan-mIlItary'>Afghan MIlItary for a tIme. DId they collapse because they dIdnt want to fIght for a corrupt government In kabul. Or where they just not capable of fIghtIng the talIban . I can say both, afghan government, fIrst, presIdent of the country, leader of a country, that should be the last person leavIng the country. That person left and abandon the country. The soldIers, the army. They are not motIvated. Plus, they dont have the equIpment. Just as I mentIoned. The army. They cannot defend themselves. Just by goIng In and fIghtIng. So aIrstrIkes, logIstIcs, thIs was all part of It. And I would lIke to mentIon one more last thIng we. As an afghan woman, I would lIke for Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-bIden'>PresIdent BIden to hear me, the government to hear me. Please, save the famIlIes, that they need. You the women, the lIttle gIrls, they always lookIng up to the unIted states, a great army that the unIted states brought to afghanIstan. And also please save my famIly, In the world rIght now, watchIng. Please. How would you feel, how would you sleep. If you would see on the tv, that the talIban are takIng, 8 10 nIne year old gIrls. As theIr slaves. And they are takIng them away from theIr famIlIes. I just ask everybody, to pray for them, and toplease help them. I cannot ImagIne what you must be goIng through tonIght. We apprecIate you takIng tIme to speak wIth us. Thank you so much. Thank you for havIng me. The Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent Struck a defIant tone In hIs address to the natIon, as he defended hIs decIsIon to wIthdraw from afghanIstan. I wIll not mIslead the amerIcan people. By claImIng that just a lIttle more tIme In afghanIstan wIll make all the dIfference. Nor wIll I shrInk from my share of responsIbIlIty for where we are today. In how we must move forward from here. I am presIdent of the unIted states of amerIca. In the buck stops wIth me. DId he say enough to sIlence Is growIng army of crItIcs . Nbc presIdent Ial hIstorIan Is here to put It all In Imarsana.com/news/perspectIve-thats'>PerspectIve Thats next. To put It all I Imarsana.com/news/perspectIve-thats'>PerspectIve Thats next. PerspectIve thats next. Heartburn happens when Imarsana.com/news/stomach-acId'>Stomach AcId refluxes Into the esophagus. PrIlosec otc uses a unIque Imarsana.com/news/delayedrelease-formula'>Delayedrelease Formula that helps It pass through the tough Imarsana.com/news/stomach-acId'>Stomach AcId. It then works to turn down acId productIon, blockIng heartburn at the source. WIth just one pIll a day, you get 24hour heartburn protectIon. PrIlosec otc. One pIll a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. Its movIng day. And whIle her frIends are doIng the heavy lIftIng, jess Is busy movIng her Imarsana.com/news/xfInIty-Internet'>XfInIty Internet and tv servIces. It only takes about a mInute. WaIt, a mInute . But what have you been doIng for the last two hours . DelegatIng . Oh, good one. Move your xfInIty servIces wIthout breakIng a sweat. XfInIty makes movIng easy. Go onlIne to transfer your servIces In about a mInute. Today presIdent Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden was get started today. UnequIvocal about hIs decIsIon to leave afghanIstan. He saId the Imarsana.com/news/forever-war'>Forever War Is not worth sacrIfIcIng more amerIcan lIves. I stand squarely behInd my decIsIon. After 20 years, Ive learned the hard way. That there was never a good tIme to wIthdraw u. S. Forces. Thats why were stIll there. We were clear eyed about the rIsks. We plan for every contIngency, but I always promIsed the amerIcan people that I would be straIght wIth you. The truth Is, thIs dId unfold more quIckly than we had antIcIpated. So whats happened . AfghanIstan polItIcal leaders gave up . In fled the country. The Imarsana.com/news/afghan-mIlItary'>Afghan MIlItary collapsed. SometIme wIthout even tryIng to fIght. If anythIng, the developments In the past week, reInforced that any u. S. MIlItary Involvement In afghanIstan now, was the rIght decIsIon. AmerIcan troops can not, and should not, be fIghtIng In a war, and dyIng In a war, that Imarsana.com/news/afghan-forces'>Afghan Forces Is not wIllIng to fIght for themselves. I am now the fourth amerIcan presIdent , to presIde over the Imarsana.com/news/war-In-afghanIstan'>War In AfghanIstan. Two democrats Into republIcans. I wIll not pass thIs responsIbIlIty on to anyone. I wIll not mIslead the amerIcan people, by claImIng that just a lIttle more tIme In afghanIstan, wIll make all the dIfference. Nor wIll I shrInk from my share of responsIbIlIty for where we are today. In how we must move forward from here. I am presIdent of the unIted states of amerIca. And the buck stops wIth me. Im deeply saddened by the facts we now face they do not regret my decIsIon to end our war. And maIntaIn a Imarsana.com/news/laser-focus'>Laser Focus on our Imarsana.com/news/counter-mIssIon'>Counter MIssIon In other parts of the world. JoInIng me now can come to shape a presIdency, the Imarsana.com/news/nbc-news-presIdent'>Nbc News PresIdent Ial hIstorIan, and author of Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S of war. MIchael thanks so much for comIng on the show thIs evenIng. I wIsh It were happIer. Same here. And bIdens come to the Imarsana.com/news/whIte-house'>WhIte House from camp davId, to gIve the blunt, frank remarks that Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden Is become known for. The wIthdraw Itself Is popular for the publIc. But dId he do enough for the bully pulpIt today, to justIfy hIs decIsIon In the face of mountIng crItIcIsm, from members of the medIa, and for members of the republIcan party. Not to mentIon ordInary afghans. I thInk In terms of defendIng hIs decIsIon, Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden dId the rIght thIng, and defended It really bluntly today. OftentImes Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S as you know, dont tell you whats really on theIr mInd. But he saId what Is the absolute proof, and I would say as a hIstorIan, and Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden has hIs hIstory to. You look at Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S, who get Involved In wars, they should never carry on a war, and put amerIcan young people at rIsk, If the amerIcan people no longer support that war. And If they dont understand why were there. We have been In amerIcas Imarsana.com/news/longest-war'>Longest War, 20 years In afghanIstan. And the publIc support, has publIc opInIon polls wIll show, In both partIes, and In everyone else, ran out for the Imarsana.com/news/war-In-afghanIstan'>War In AfghanIstan a long tIme ago. EssentIally, Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden was faced wIth a decIsIon, between can I convInce amerIcans Its a great Idea to keep thIs goIng. And I dont thInk he felt he could, because you certaInly dont belIeve It. Or do I take thIngs out, and In thIs, It reflectIng the movement of amerIcan publIc opInIon. Now that havIng been saId, the other thIng Is, If you look at Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S In hIstory, who have shut down wars, korea, eIsenhower 1953, eIsenhower knew that korea had become very unpopular. VIetnam 1970, Imarsana.com/news/gerald-ford'>Gerald Ford knew there was no amerIcan support for renewIng the vIetnam war. To resIst the north vIetnamese. So thats what they were doIng but another way that we look at Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S hIstory Is, what dId they do to protect the people who gave theIr lIves, In many cases, to protect democracy, and help amerIca and our allIes. 1956, Imarsana.com/news/hungarIan-revolutIon'>HungarIan RevolutIon. 170,000 refugees, amerIca opened Its heart, brought many of them here. After vIetnam was, over 1975. , we brought upwards of 130,000 refugees, ImmedIately, many more later on. And as Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden honestly saId In that speech, he dId not antIcIpate that thIs would happen so suddenly, and they were caught flatfooted. MIchael you mentIoned vIetnam. The presIdent Invoked the memory of vIetnam durIng hIs remarks as well. Have a lIsten. I made a commItment to the brave men and women who serve thIs natIon. That I was not goIng to contInue to rIsk them lIves, In a Imarsana.com/news/mIlItary-actIon'>MIlItary ActIon that shouldve ended long ago. Our leaders dId that In vIetnam, when I got here Is a young man. I wIll not do It In afghanIstan. How Important In thIs new memory of vIetnam for bIden In other polItIcIans of hIs generatIon . Is and how does he compare to an lbj, or nIxon on thIs Issue . Absolutely crucIal, Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden as you know ran for the senate and one, In 1972, and Its tIme when Imarsana.com/news/rIchard-nIxon'>RIchard NIxon was stIll carryIng out the vIetnam war, despIte hIs promIse to end It for years earlIer. AgaInst Imarsana.com/news/george-mcgovern'>George Mcgovern the democratIc nomInee. Who saId Imarsana.com/news/elect-me-presIdent'>Elect Me PresIdent , Ill and thIs were ImmedIately. BIden was on her even from hIs own experIence, here Is Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIden, are we lucky that that experIence almost 50 years ago, put In hIs mInd thIs Idea that you cant keep on askIng young amerIcans, other amerIcans, to gIve theIr lIves In those of our allIes, If the amerIcan people dont get wIth the wars, about and dont support It. Yes, and Its InterestIng because we talk about the amerIcan publIc not beIng Interested In Imarsana.com/news/foreIgn-polIcy'>ForeIgn PolIcy. In Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S are almost defIned by Imarsana.com/news/foreIgn-polIcy'>ForeIgn PolIcy to buckles, whether Its lbj, george w. Bush, Imarsana.com/news/ronald-reagan'>Ronald Reagan both posItIvely and negatIvely for the cold war. In eIsenhower whos seen as a commandIng vIctory. 1956, there was a Imarsana.com/news/hungarIan-revolutIon'>HungarIan RevolutIon as you know, In eIsenhower allowed the u. S. Governments say to the hungarIans, rIse up agaInst the sovIet tanks, ImplyIng that Imarsana.com/news/we-amerIcans'>We AmerIcans would help defend them. WhIch he had no IntentIon of doIng. In as a result, there was a bloodbath. Even Imarsana.com/news/rIchard-nIxon'>RIchard NIxon who Is Imarsana.com/news/vIce-presIdent'>VIce PresIdent , even consIdered adoptIng a hungarIan chIld, there was so much feelIng for those who had been brave at the tIme of the revolutIon. John kennedy, and 1961, saId socalled Imarsana.com/news/freedom-fIghters'>Freedom FIghters Into cuba, In an effort to topple fIdel castro. They faIled. Over 1000 were taken prIsoner. And kennedy humanely traded medIcIne In practIce to get them out. Yes, Its amazIng when you thInk about how many Imarsana.com/news/presIdent-s'>PresIdent S have been defIned by these. ThIngs wIll way and see I guess. How Imarsana.com/news/joe-bIden'>Joe BIdens afghanIstan decIsIon defInes hIs presIdency. MIchael thank you so much for your tIme In your analysIs tonIght. I apprecIate. You as well. In 2000, won the vote to afghanIstan have a mere three days after the Imarsana.com/news/9-11'>9 11 attacks. It passed wIth nearly unanImous Imarsana.com/news/approval-say'>Approval Say for one dIssentIng voIce. Congresswoman barbara lee. She joIns me next. However dIffIcult thIs vote may be, some of us must urge the use of restraInt. Our country Is In a state of mournIng. Some of us must say, lets step back for. Moment lets pause just for a mInute and thInk through the ImplIcatIons of our actIons today, so that thIs does not spIral out of control. Iral out of control. Well, would ya look at that It was an accIdent. I was speakIng of accIdents, we accIdentally left you off the Imarsana.com/news/Insurance-polIcy'>Insurance PolIcy durIng enrollment, and youre not covered. Not even a lIttle bIt . Mmmmm. No Insurance. 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Now, as afghanIstan collapses, a great tastIng and easy way to start your day. It seems to have almost been the Imarsana.com/news/consensus-vIew'>Consensus VIew across the entIre polItIcal spectrum that the war was a dIsaster. Back In 2000, one Imarsana.com/news/eye-gallup-poll'>Eye Gallup Poll found that 81 of amerIcans In pIe supported Imarsana.com/news/Invaded-amerIcan'>Invaded AmerIcan as dId every member of the Imarsana.com/news/house-and-senate'>House And Senate except one. However dIffIcult thIs may be, some of us must urge the use of restraInt. Our countrIes In a state of mournIng. Some of us must say, lets step back for a moment. Lets just pause for a moment. And thInk through the ImplIcatIons of our great actIons today, so that thIs does not spIral out of control. I have agonIzed over thIs vote but I came to grIps wIth It today, when I came to grIps wIth proposIng thIs resolutIon durIng the very paInful, yet very beautIful memorIal servIce, as a member of the clergy so eloquently saId, as we act, let us not become the evIl that we deplore. As a country, we dId not lIsten to Imarsana.com/news/congresswoman-barbara-lee'>Congresswoman Barbara Lee back then. Lets lIsten to her now. Im glad to be joIned by congresswoman lee, democrat of calIfornIa. Thank you for comIng on the show thIs evenIng. People may not remember, but that vote was on a frIday followIng Imarsana.com/news/9-11'>9 11. That same week. EmotIons were runnIng hIgh, even then comIng from Imarsana.com/news/bernIe-saunders'>BernIe Saunders and he dId not vote wIth you. What Is your member out memory of that we . Country been thInkIng about of these past few days. Thank you, alI. I have been thInkIng about It and then I knew we had to do somethIng. We had lost so many people, a Imarsana.com/news/terrorIst-attack'>TerrorIst Attack as a country and actually my chIef of staff, hIs cousIn was a Imarsana.com/news/flIght-attendant'>FlIght Attendant on flIght 93. I was sIttIng at the capItal and took down that moment. ReflectIng on that 20 years later Is a very soberIng In a lot of respects. Also, I knew then that It could spIral out of control and If we dIdnt thInk through the Impact and ImplIcatIons that Ive been thInkIng about thIs week, now, I am terrIfIed and so worrIed. LIke everyone, Im concerned In workIng every hour to try to fIgure out how we make sure that no more lIves are taken, afghans are out and those whove supported us, amerIcans, dIplomats, ngos, women, chIldren, how In the world are we goIng to get thIs done quIckly . They are In danger. That Is what Im thInkIng about more so and the Imarsana.com/news/chaIr-subcommIttee'>ChaIr SubcommIttee who provIdes fundIng for a Imarsana.com/news/refugee-settlement-assIstance'>Refugee Settlement AssIstance for our basIs and all our dIplomatIc and development funds that we have that would help In thIs terrIble, terrIble tragedy, really. We evacuatIng people so they dont get kIlled. I am glad you mentIoned the refugees and the admInIstratIon. I hope people put pressure on the Imarsana.com/news/admInIstratIons-state-department'>AdmInIstratIons State Department to get afghans out and get theIr vIsas. Is afghanIstan goIng to become a staIn on Imarsana.com/news/amerIcas-conscIence'>AmerIcas ConscIence and on our Imarsana.com/news/foreIgn-polIcy'>ForeIgn PolIcy standIng for decades to come . SImIlar to the way In whIch vIetnam was for so long, especIally as you mentIoned gIven the way we are leavIng . Lets hope we learn lessons. We cannot natIon them. ThIs was a 20year war. The Imarsana.com/news/longest-war'>Longest War In amerIcan hIstory. Whether you agree or not wIth the use of force, three days after the horrIfIc attacks, the mIssIon was accomplIshed years ago In terms of Imarsana.com/news/osama-bIn-laden'>Osama BIn Laden and alqaeda. I thInk the presIdent was absolutely correct In puttIng It In the hIstorIcal context for why he made hIs decIsIon whIch I thInk was the correct decIsIon, but the plannIng and the movement toward where we are today, I dont thInk It was well thought out and well planned. So I thInk we need to learn the lessons of the last 20 years and Imarsana.com/news/no-one'>No One recognIze that we can go out throughout the wIn any Issues we need to address In terms of global pIeces of securIty and recognIze that Imarsana.com/news/mIlItary-actIon'>MIlItary ActIon Is not goIng to solve the world worlds program. Problems. That Is what we are seeIng now. Not only do we struggled the Imarsana.com/news/natIon-buIldIng'>NatIon BuIldIng a, Imarsana.com/news/broadway-struggle'>Broadway Struggle wIth It at home. TryIng to get through our Infrastructure bIll. Congresswoman, you are Isolated than after Imarsana.com/news/9-11'>9 11. You are the only person votIng In that way, very boldly, very courageously. Today though, you have the very antI war squad. Your aoc In and others. You even have republIcan allIes In the Imarsana.com/news/house-and-senate'>House And Senate when It comes to restraInIng presIdent Ial lawmakIng powers. I wonder, what do you make on the shIft of Imarsana.com/news/foreIgn-polIcy'>ForeIgn PolIcy that you personally have seen In the last 20 years In congress . ThIs took a lot of Imarsana.com/news/movement-buIldIng'>Movement BuIldIng, a lot of publIc educatIon. Young people around the country fInally realIze that these resources take away from a Imarsana.com/news/natIon-buIldIng'>NatIon BuIldIng here at home but to, we have to use our three stools In a way that Is more balanced of our Imarsana.com/news/foreIgn-polIcy'>ForeIgn PolIcy polIcy, development and defense. We have not used our Imarsana.com/news/development-and-dIplomacy'>Development And DIplomacy strategIes and toolbox the way we should have. And so, I thInk the sentIment now Is, look. We have to step back and see what we can do to make sure we are safe In thIs country and then we also support other countrIes wIth use of Imarsana.com/news/depth-camp'>Depth Camp dIplomatIc Influence to see what we have. The Imarsana.com/news/mIlItary-optIon'>MIlItary OptIon Is always there to use In terms of our natIonal securIty. We buIld the movement, the movement buIlt us. We were fInally able to pass the deal of the 2002 yes you are. We are workIng It now to 2001. You werent able to do that. Congresswoman barbara, we apprecIate your actIvIsm and Imarsana.com/news/movement-buIldIng'>Movement BuIldIng on that vote In 2001. ApprecIate you comIng on the show tonIght. Thank you. NIce meetIng wIth you, mary. ComIng up, a publIc Imarsana.com/news/health-rebellIon'>Health RebellIon In texas, the Imarsana.com/news/dallas-superIntendent'>Dallas SuperIntendent earnIng praIse from the presIdent for developIng the states back on Imarsana.com/news/mask-mandate'>Mask Mandates. He joIns me. Head do not go away. Ad do not go away. We spent 20 years In afghanIstan, and even halfway Into those two decades, sons of Imarsana.com/news/amerIcas-pure-faIlure'>AmerIcas Pure FaIlure were evIdent. In the summer 2010, Imarsana.com/news/rachel-maddow'>Rachel Maddow went to afghanIstan for two nIghts of lIve shows and traveled wIth nbc Imarsana.com/news/foreIgn-correspondent'>ForeIgn Correspondent rIchard angle, went to several dIfferent cItIes across the Imarsana.com/news/country-reportIng'>Country ReportIng on what It was lIke to be unamerIcan servIng there at the dIrectIon of cIvIlIan polItIcIans. She examIne the country the mIlItarys counter Insurgent strategy and learned what It really meant to poor bIllIons of u. S. Dollars Into the countrys central government. So, we are In a Imarsana.com/news/neIghbor-hood'>NeIghbor Hood now talkIng about the dIstrIbutIon of wealth In kabul, and the effect of there Is no dIstrIbutIon of wealth. [laughs] thIs Is where It ends up. All the money from contracts, an assocIatIon wIth the government and the u. S. MIlItary has ended up here. Why . Because, thIs was orIgInally, as you can, see no real Imarsana.com/news/pavement-or-anythIng'>Pavement Or AnythIng lIke that. It was orIgInally just empty land. Okay. When the amerIcans came In wIth the Imarsana.com/news/northern-allIance'>Northern AllIance, the Imarsana.com/news/northern-allIance'>Northern AllIance whIch was the allIes agaInst the talIban, took thIs land and gave It to all theIr cronIes. Okay, they created more wealthy neIghborhood under nothIng. He exactly. We stIll got open sewers and no payment, but we have castles. Yes. For ten to 25,000 a month. If you were to buIld thIs one, obvIously Its under constructIon, that Is a Imarsana.com/news/1-mIllIon'>1 MIllIon Imarsana.com/news/dollar-house'>Dollar House In kabul, wIth no paved street. AmerIca, your cash dollars thIs Is what they have translated to In asIa. We dumped It here payIng for a mIlItary effort, everythIng that goes along wIth It ends up floodIng, or In thIs case, dIrectIng lIke a Imarsana.com/news/squIrt-gun-gun'>SquIrt Gun Gun Instead of floodIng. Well, the streets flood. They become rIvers of mud. The money does not go to the country and concrete, and goes to the elIte and the Imarsana.com/news/power-holders'>Power Holders who can keep It for themselves. TonIght, rachel wIll look back at the collapse of the afghan government, the speed of the talIban advance and whether thIs ends the era for mIlItary InterventIon. She wIll be joIned agaIn by rIchard angle. LIve on the ground from afghanIstan. That Is Imarsana.com/news/comIng-up'>ComIng Up at 9 pm, you do not want to mIss It. MeanwhIle, a remarkable publIc Imarsana.com/news/health-showdown'>Health Showdown Is takIng place rIght now In Imarsana.com/news/dallas-county'>Dallas County texas, where covId cases are spIkIng and the Imarsana.com/news/state-supreme-court'>State Supreme Court upheld the gop Imarsana.com/news/governors-ban'>Governors Ban on Imarsana.com/news/mask-mandate'>Mask Mandates. Today was the fIrst day of school In Imarsana.com/news/dallas-county'>Dallas County In the superIntendent Is defInIng both the governor In the court by Imarsana.com/news/makIng-kIds'>MakIng KIds wear masks. Doctor mIchael In a whole saId joIns me now to talk about hIs decIsIon next. DecIsIon next. Every day In busIness brIngs somethIng new. So get the flexIbIlIty of the new mobIle servIce desIgned for your small busIness. IntroducIng Imarsana.com/news/comcast-busIness'>Comcast BusIness mobIle. You get the most relIable network wIth Imarsana.com/news/natIonwIde-5g'>NatIonwIde 5g Included. And you can get unlImIted data for just 30 per lIne per month when you get four lInes or Imarsana.com/news/mIx-and-match'>MIx And Match data optIons. AvaIlable now for Imarsana.com/news/comcast-busIness-Internet'>Comcast BusIness Internet customers wIth no lIneactIvatIon fees or Imarsana.com/news/term-contract'>Term Contract requIred. See If you can save by swItchIng today. Comcast busIness. PowerIng possIbIlItIes. Baaam. Internet that doesnt Imarsana.com/news/mIss-a'>MIss A beat. Thats cute, but my Internet streams to my rIde. Pshh, mInes so fast, Imarsana.com/news/no-one'>No One can catch me. Thats because you both have the same Internet. XfInIty xfI. So powerful, It keeps oneuppIng Itself. Can your Internet do that . Its the fIrst day of school In Imarsana.com/news/dallas-texas'>Dallas Texas today, where covId cases are surgIng and schools are takIng safety mandates Into theIr own hands. In Imarsana.com/news/dallas-county'>Dallas County today, one of the largest Imarsana.com/news/school-dIstrIct'>School DIstrIcts In the state, over 100,000 kIds were told to come to class wIth theIr masks on, thats despIte a rulIng from the Imarsana.com/news/texas-supreme-court'>Texas Supreme Court who cIted the republIcan greg abbotts Imarsana.com/news/basket-man'>Basket Man mandates, decIsIon wIth the court whIch Is made up of all republIcan justIces Is temporary. UntIl a fInal decIsIon Is made, kIds In those schools wIll be maskIng up, opposIte of the courts orders. Thats because the Imarsana.com/news/superIntendent-mIchael-hInohosa'>SuperIntendent MIchael HInohosa Is the fIndIng that rulIng. He joIns me now. Thank you so much for comIng on the show thIs evenIng. You had a Imarsana.com/news/mask-mandate'>Mask Mandate In effect today. How dId that go . Was It hard to reInforce . No, actually, It was quIte posItIve. It all started happenIng 24 hours ago when you trIed to plan how we were goIng to execute our fIrst day because we had the last mInute to balI. When I went to the schools today, we was nothIng short of phenomenal. And over 140,000 students go to school today, I had reports that there were three students who were not complIant. Two and one has, goal another one another. ThIs tells me, we are on the sIde of justIce, we were havIng people belIeve what we are doIng. We know Its a very dangerous Imarsana.com/news/desIgn-zone'>DesIgn Zone despIte what people are sayIng In austIn, In our own realIty, you Imarsana.com/news/cant-control'>Cant Control people In thIs way. They wIll not be partIcIpatIng and they wIll shun us. ThIs Is clear that people are scared and we wIll take precautIons to make sure we are safe for now In the future. I was very proud to be the In Imarsana.com/news/super-town'>Super Town Intended of dallas today. On that note, as a superIntendent do you thInk you have the support of the parents In your dIstrIct . How dIvIded Is your county over thIs Issue . LuckIly, we are the dallas Independent Imarsana.com/news/school-dIstrIct'>School DIstrIct Independent from the school county. The order that was made was for the county and not us. We have strong support from our parents, students, staff. The were asked to comply, we told them we would make them do It but we had no confrontatIon to do It today and that tells me we have a lot of support In the communIty and cIty. Are you gearIng up for a legal fIght now, gIven the supreme Imarsana.com/news/court-rulIng'>Court RulIng . GIven that Imarsana.com/news/governor-abbott'>Governor Abbott Is not backIng down . Is It tIme now for a legal fIght, do you have tIme to fIght . I would sue today. I have never been sued vIrtually, but I have a bunch In austIn In my Inbox today. FIrst tIme In 27 years thats happened. Absolutely there wIll be a fIght. I wIll fIght for our students In our communIty and, we wIll let the courts play thIs out. I wIll hang on as long as I can. When the court actually rules that I cannot do what I am doIng, then I wIll comply wIth the court. RIght now we have the Imarsana.com/news/executIve-branch'>ExecutIve Branch Is tellIng us that we have to do thIs and I just came out and put students out of harms way. If I followed hIs orders, I know I would be puttIng them In hard way. Harms way. I could be doIng that. GenuIne questIon though, you say that, I admIre you for sayIng It you couldnt lIve wIth yourself puttIng kIds at rIsk. Clearly a lot of polItIcIans In amerIca rIght now are okay wIth puttIng kIds at rIsk. Then you also say, If the order comes down, Its not a temporary order Its a real thIng that the court says you cant do thIs. You saId you would comply wIth thIs. In that sItuatIon, you wIll be puttIng kIds It at rIsk . I wIll have no choIce. We have trIed the Imarsana.com/news/cIvIl-dIsobedIence'>CIvIl DIsobedIence as far as we can take It, but I cannot lead thIs dIstrIct If I am not here. Its my responsIbIlIty to take thIs to the full extent, and there are other opportunItIes that we may pursue. We are confIdent that we are goIng to prevaIl In Imarsana.com/news/the-end'>The End, and I would just ask the government If they can lIst the lIft thIs temporary as we have just we can get through thIs terrIble perIod. I had very lIttle, actually no InteractIon, wIth the government staff. Why Is that . Why Is the governor not talkIng to you dIrectly and talkIng to people who are affected by thIs . Why does he not seem to care that kIds lIves are at rIsk In texas . ThIs Is some kInd of showdown that I dont understand In my 27 years as superIntendent. Maybe thIngs I make our very prIvate. I am a prIvate person. Now we are up here, very publIc In front of everybody and I guess everybody Is Infatuated wIth the showdown. I just dont understand. It there could be some easy solutIons, and we provIde a way to work on thIs thIng, but apparently, there Is no compromIse. I guess youre Independent and you cant see thIs. I. Can I guess Imarsana.com/news/governor-abbott'>Governor Abbott wants to be presIdent. ThIs Is all about hIs base In texas. A gubernatorIal not publIc health. The Imarsana.com/news/mask-mandate'>Mask Mandate was put In place by clay jenkIns who we spoke to on the show last week. When I spoke to hIm lIve last, week there were hundreds of protesters outsIde of hIs house standIng on hIs kIds play area. Are you afraId at all for your own safety . No, I have been doIng thIs for a long tIme. I have been through that sItuatIon that clay went through before, but rIght now people are not doIng that at my place. I have been around so long, I guess I buIlt some Imarsana.com/news/street-credIbIlIty'>Street CredIbIlIty wIth our communIty. If It happens, It happens. That Is what we have got to do. That Is the cost of doIng busIness In thIs bIg state of texas. Im not angry at the governor, hes got a bIg state to run but I got a very Important complex dIstrIct to run, and I need every tool In my Imarsana.com/news/tool-kIt'>Tool KIt to make thIs happen for the safety of students. You may not be angry at the governor, but a lot of texans are. Very quIckly, dId you ever thInk that you would end up here . No, absolutely not. I am a full government teacher, Imarsana.com/news/eye-color'>Eye Color InsIde the lInes. ThIs I had to take a stand. And Im dIsappoInted at some of my superIntendent peers fallIng off the wagon when Its gotten really dIffIcult here. Well, I admIre you for takIng a stand Imarsana.com/news/dallas-county'>Dallas County superIntendent mIchael hInojosa. ApprecIate your tIme tonIght. Thank you. That Is all In on thIs monday nIght. The Imarsana.com/news/rachel-maddow'>Rachel Maddow show starts rIght now. Good evenIng, rachel. Good evenIng and thank you my frIend. Much apprecIated. Thanks at home for joInIng us thIs hour. Were goIng to start tonIght If we can, we are battlIng technIcal dIffIcultIes, but were goIng to try to start tonIght lIve In kabul. It Is 5 30 In the mornIng Imarsana.com/news/tuesday-mornIng'>Tuesday MornIng rIght now. Nbcs chIef Imarsana.com/news/foreIgn-correspondent'>ForeIgn Correspondent Imarsana.com/news/rIchard-engel'>RIchard Engel as