She felt like history was repeating itself. He wants to have women and his wife was in his way. We are police wrong . Its like the twilight zone. Lies become truth and the truth becomes lies. Maybe the real killer was still out there. You have lied to the police about this case . Yes sir. So devastating. We probably knew that this was the key to solving this. 13 years, 13 years. Such an awful crime. The wife. The little boy and girl. Shot at point blank range. I was just dumbfounded, shocked at what i saw. How to comprehend . What do you talking about . What do you saying . The husband had an alibi. For ten minutes. He could have done anything. He did. 13 years, three trials, repeals, reversals and changing stories. The big picture here, charles, is that for a lot of people, it sounds like a crime. There is a lot of things about this case that doesnt make sense. It has been a long winding pursuit of justice, as one family sees it. It gets more and more wild. I adopted the saying, that when you enter into the courtroom, lies become truth and the truth becomes lies. But there is another side, another family. One which sees a terrible miscarriage of justice. I wonder if everybody got three trials, how many guilty people would be out walking The Streets . Mommy, i have a present for you. But there is one indisputable truth. Can, gilles and bradley where nothing less than innocence lost that evening. When do you miss them the most . Every day, and whoever said that time heals has never lost a child. I can tell you that time doesnt heal anything. The pain becomes a part of you. Time. Turn the clock back to the year 2000, September 28th to be precise. The place . A Wreck Center Jim in Southern Indiana. In georgetown. A Basketball Game was underway with usual Thursday Night guys. You guys were just getting underway . Glory days. This manager at a Waterproofing Business was a regular. This was religion, right . We play a little basketball in indiana. That night, after the game wrapped up, david headed straight home. He and his wife came head to children. A Quiet Seven year old, and jill, a spitfire two years younger. Usually they would help him with the kids in the evening. But on this night he was late. And he knew came wouldnt be happy about that. They had their homework down before they went to bed, and they thought, shes going to be upset when i get home, because im not there to help. He click the Garage Door open, a nightmare aWaited. The Garage Door raised up just above my truck. Thats when i saw kim. She was down on the Garage Floor . Yes, actually, the first thought i had was jill. Laying there. I didnt realize it was kim until i ran out of into the garage, out of my truck. And i saw was kim. Its too much to absorb, how do you take it in . Its indescribable what was going through my mind. I can put it in towards. Can we still, bent slightly at the waist, along pool of Blood Running through her head. The doors to her bronco were open. When you look in the vehicle . I dont remember how long it was. But after checking on kim, being assured in my mind that she was gone, i just suddenly thought about the kids. Where the kids . And my first instinct was to look into the bronco. And i got up on the Passenger Seat and i could see more into the back, and thats when i saw brett and jill. Jill, still buckled in, which slumped over. There was blood in her hair. Next to her, brad seemed to be clad over the seat. Was it apparent even in your shock that this was a Gunshot Event . I do not know. I did not know how they had died. So youre in over the consul . On top of the consul, thats how i grabbed bread. I thought maybe he would have a chance. David had been an Indiana State Trooper for almost 11 years. That night in the garage, david says, his Police Training kicked in. It seemed to him that his daughter jill was dead. But there was even a whisper of a chance for his son brad, he knew he had to get him out of the bronco and give him cpr. I picked him up, pulled him to me, and turned around and got back in the same way i went in. Put him down on the Garage Floor and started working on him . Exactly. Were you getting any signs . I just remember looking at his face. And like with jill, his eyes, there was no moisture. They were half shut. It was pretty obvious. Obvious that he was gone. And this is all happened in whats, 45 seconds . Yes, probably, maybe a minute. Kneeling on the bloody Garage Floor, amidst the bodies of his family, david knew he had to get help. Help. He called the Indiana State police, where he used to work. Work. David cams 13 Year Journey into was only minutes old. Coming up, he was beating on the door saying, nelson nelson, somebodys killed my family, theyre all dead, theyre all dead. Your family dead, murdered. How do you even begin to absorb that . All these things, spinning around inside my head. It was surreal. Am i really hear . Its surreal. We went down to the ground, laid on his back, rolling around. And says why, why didnt i have to go . Why didnt i stay with them . There was more pain, much more still to come, when dateline continues. Eline continues yardwork. Teamwork. Long walks. Thats how you du more, with dupixent, which helps prevent asthma attacks. Dupixent is not for sudden breathing problems. Its an addontreatment for specific types of Moderatetosevere Asthma that can improve Lung Function for better breathing in as little as two weeks. And can reduce, or even eliminate, oral steroids. And Heres Something important. Dupixent can cause serious allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. Get help right away if you have rash, shortness of breath, chest pain, tingling or numbness in your limbs. 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No no thats why comcast works around the clock constantly improving americas largest gigspeed broadband network. And just doubled the capacity here. How do things look on your end . Perfect David Camm says he came home on because were building a better network every single day. A fall to him add to an unimaginable crime. His Wife And Boy were murdered. After trying unsuccessfully to revive his son, David Ran across The Street to our relatives. When i heard the banging on the door. Davids Uncle Nelson was. There david was beating on the door and saying nelson, nelson, come quick, someone killed my family. Theyre all dead nelson dropped everything to brush over to davids garage. I was dumbfounded, i was shocked when i saw. David yelled at him to check on jill, his daughter in the bronco. And nelson said that he let is very carefully to the vehicle. Like david, he was a former state trooper, and youre the Crime Scenes had to be preserved. I looked in the backseat and thats when i saw Little Jill back there. I reached back and i touched her arm, her arm or shoulder, and i said jill, jill you knew she was. Gone i knew she was gone. And i said dave, i think theyre all gone buddy, theyre all gone. David lost. He went down to the ground he was rolling on his back rolling around. Why did they have to go . Why did they have to . Go ahead to stay with him. Uncle nelson managed to get a bit away from the garage. Theyve was trying his best to go back, and i would let him go back. And so you really are the officer securing the scene . I knew it had to be done. Because it was a horrific Crime Scene and i wanted to make sure that i didnt do anything to hamper it. David says that he was way beyond understanding anything that night. But the questions wouldnt stop. Just all these things spinning around inside my head. Is this real . Am i really . Here did i really just find camm. It was surreal . . It was The End of everything that david and kim had built together. They had met in the late 1980s. They were introduced by law marcie mcleod. Marcy had been best friends with can since elementary school. She was very quiet for the people who didnt know her. Very funny, very loyal come, very sweet. David and kim married in 1989. They threw a big Fun Party then got on with their lives. Kim incorporate Accounting And David as an Indiana State Trooper, a career that kim had encouraged him to pursue. Here he is in a uniform being interviewed in the 1990s about Road Safety during the holidays. The big had seen tailor made for David Camm. He was soon a member of The Call a swat team. I love those guys, were talking about guys that you would literally die for. But overtime, after the kids were, Born David wanted to spend more time with his family. So in may 2000, he went to work as a manager in his uncle some Law Kurds Business and left the banded brothers. You want to talk more of a life, and yet i can see how much you liked being in Law Enforcement. I just felt like it was definitely i was at a Point In My Life that i need to make that change and i wanted to make that change. And i presumed that i would remain close with these guys, that they would always be my friends and that they would always have my back, whenever needed. Them by september 2000, the the webcams seem to have a picture perfect life. Kim was a totally engaged. Mother one Sam Lockhart saw the family. Alltime great, mom great. Mom she bought those kids. Everywhere the kids were like my grandkids. Jill jill Little Jill. Tell me about. Her she was a character. She really was. Just a funny Little Girl. If she didnt have your attention, she would get it. She was a very i think she wouldve been very athletic, she was gifted in that way. And brad was the swimmer . He was great at it. Being a father i thought, this kid is good. They were gatherings with David Sprawling extended family, the law carts, the descendants of nine brothers and sisters on davids brothers side. The We Lock were so entrenched in this area, that they had a road named after it. Lock. Art there couldve been a better place for us to be when all of this terrible stuff happened. The awful news raised through two families that night. David sister julie was getting ready to go to bed when the phone rang. I said what . What are you talking about . But are you . Saying julie went straight to her parents house. Mom had all the pictures of Brad And Jill that she could gather up and was holding them and just sitting on the Floor And Rocking and saying, my babies, my babies, theyve killed my babies. Somebody killed my babies. David sent his uncles to tell kims parents, janice, and frank ran. When they rang the doorbell, look at this . Be well it cant be good. So, when i go out and i opened the door and i see him standing out there and i think, my mind went blank. I they asked me to come out, there are so i go out, there and some says weve got some bad news. Brad and kim Brad And Jill have been shot. I slip down in a sitting position and i cried, i can believe it. On lock hard road, The Sound of sirens followed by flashing lights. A Homicide Investigation was beginning. And davids friends and former colleagues at The End Indiana State police would be on the front line. Coming up something strange at the Crime Scene. Kims shoes placed neatly on top of the bronco. What could that mean . With when dateline continues. Ion dateline continues it even prevents the infection that causes lyme disease. Your vet trusts nexgard for her patients and her own dog. Plus, its delicious Beef Flavor is 1 with dogs. Ask your vet about nexgard. When a Truck Hit my car, plus, its delicious Beef Flavor is 1 with dogs. The Insurance Company Wasnt fair. 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I am we stepped in it myself. He could see the Wife And Mother lying by the open passenger door. Her pants removed. It had the signature of a Sex Crime, children killed because they were witnesses. Seven year old bread was on his back, a Gray Sweatshirt lying by him. An article of clothing that would become hugely important in time. The boy was laying there, and his hands were out. And of course i didnt see the Little Girl. They told me that she was still in the truck. The State Police, indianas top investigative force, had already done its work. The Crime Scene investigated the bronco, took measurements and took pictures. Stan faith studied the scene. Was it too soon for you to take all that . In no, the thing that struck me the most was how clean the garage was. You just dont expect that. Some of the troopers in the garage had been fellow officers with the husband. There were a couple that i didnt recognize, but for the most part, it was people that i knew. The trooper who would become the Lead Investigator was davids childhood friend. They had the top right there. Dave, you know you have to clear you first. He said just do it. He knew the score about spouses, as a former cop. They always look at the spouse. Sure, everyones a suspect, in the beginning you dont. No but in his case, david thought, it was a by the book formality. He was confident his friends would do all they could to find The Killer. These were your brothers, these guys. Right. You had written with them. You had done a lot of tough stuff with them. Theyd been to my house, we had eaten together, we knew each others families. Im here at the Indiana State police post. In this audiotape of his first interview that night, you can hear the interviewers handling him with Kid Gloves out of respect. Were Gonna Try and find out what happened here so that we can bring the person to justice as best we can. The question or walk david through his day and his wife. As far as david knew, she followed her usual busy routine. Working and then shepherding the kids around after school, returning home at about 7 30 pm. Once the shooter, Waiting for her in the garage, or did her killer follow her in . The investigators asked david if anyone had been stalking her following her. And they wanted to know if the husband could help them understand an oddity about the Crime Scene. Why were kims shoes neatly placed on top of the roof of the bronco . As the investigators wrapped up, and made sure david got some fresh clothing, they were sending his blood speckled sneakers out for testing. The next day that cams neighbors were absolutely stunned at the crime of this magnitude could happen in their neighborhood. It makes no sense, theres never been any trouble out here. As the hunt for The Killer continued, investigators asked neighbors if they had seen or heard anything suspicious. Right now this is very, very much an open investigation. Three days after, david can face the camera. I want my family to be back. I want my babies to be back. And he begged The Killer to come forward. You cant live with the guilt. What you did, to such a was such a irrational, lewd the chris, satanic thing. You cannot, you cannot live with that guilt. Unrest in the case was only hours away. Coming up, im a mess, im on medication, and having to buy burial plots, i have all the stuff going on. A Husband And Father in mourning. About to face the second biggest surprise of his life. When did dateline continues. Dateline there. Be right back. But my symptoms were keeping me from where i needed to be. So i talked to my doctor and learned humira is the 1 prescribed biologic for people with uc or crohns disease. And humira helps people achieve remission that can last, so you can experience few or no symptoms. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections. 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He sat down with two cops he knew well. Hed been Sharing Coffee in cases with him for years. This time the tone of the interview had changed. Because now the investigators did have a Working Theory of the murders. And the evidence they were gathering pointed to None Other than David Camm as The Killer. There one time Fellow Trooper and Law Enforcement brother was now quite possibly determine. A monster who murdered his family. They have the timeline, the murders they took place, they believe, between nine and 9 30 that night, after david Returned Home. The Police Canvas had turned up a neighbor who heard noises, and shots fired. David saw where this was going and pushed back. The investigators account had David Camm square in the crosshairs. He came home from basketball and killed his family. They told david about physical evidence they collected. Specks of blood, barely visible to the naked eye, on the bottom of the tshirt he wore. A crime Scene Expert already told him the Husband And Father did it. Blood spat, the case against David Camm. But the cops had full confidence in their man. Goal the noose was tightening even as david protested. And there was more. Signs of a cleanup. It had to be david. But and there was something disturbing the medical examiner found when she looked at jill, the young daughter. Signs of blunt trauma in the general area. To the cops, that meant one thing. He David Camm had molested his daughter. And Arrest Warrant issued out of four superior court. Hours after his second interview, the Indiana State police arrested David Camm again and arrested him in the murder of his wife and two children. It had been three days since the shootings. Coming up, accused of murder. And the evidence . A Phone Call. This Phone Call blows up his alibi. Yes. A tshirt and a parade of women. She was upset. And saddened by. She felt like history was repeating itself. Because she said well talk about it when we get there. Theres people he pulls over, flirts with and then eventually seduces them. He wanted to have women and his wife was in the way. Yes. She was an obstacle to the kind of lifestyle he wanted to pursue. Thats correct. When dateline continues. When dateline continues [girl in bathroom stall] Ugh Someone just got her period. What size you need . Wait. Theres more than one size . Yes only tampax has five sizes. If it hurts to remove, go down. If it leaks, go up. Whats your combo . This past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. But eventually, with spring comes rebirth. Everything begins anew. And many of us realize a fundamental human need to connect with other likeminded people. Welcome back to the world. Viking. Exploring the world in comfort. Once again. Every single day, were all getting a little bit better. Were better cooks. Better neighbors. Hi. Ive got this until you get back. Better parents. And better friends. No no thats why comcast works around the clock constantly improving americas largest gigspeed broadband network. And just doubled the capacity here. How do things look on your end . Perfect i want my babies back. Because were building a better network every single day. David camm, once an Indiana State Trooper was now locked up in the Floyd County jail. Wanted for the murder of his wife and children. Tell me about your emotions. Every time i heard a key jingle outside my door, i would think, oh, this is it. They figured it out and say, david we messed up, and let me. Out but that didnt happen. Davids uncle a successful local businessman, quickly became his nephews best advocate. Trying to make his voice heard. Why did you take on the responsibility . I didnt have any other options. I know he lost his family, i know we lost his freedom. And what am i going to do . He didnt lose me. The focus was so concentrated on david. Did you ever think, maybe i dont have the picture here, maybe something awful happened and david snapped and did indeed kill his family. I never did think that david kills family. Never . Never thought he did, it never did. Kim, spoke with janice and frank when, were absorbing the awful fact that the police told him. That their soninlaw was The Killer. Janice, theyve made an arrest, and its david. I was just out of it. Then when it finally did sink in, i was back and forth. Frank, what about you. Were talking about early days here. I wasnt sure. I was just going by with the police were telling. The before long, the couple became convinced that their soninlaw had murdered his family. In january 2002, 15 months after the murders, David Camm went on trial, he pleaded not guilty. Originally the timeline changed. He said he Returned Home for the Basketball Game around 9 20. He backtrack from . That he backtracked. Thats because the defense had shown that the time of death was somewhere between 7 30 and 8 pm. Everything said that this happened much earlier. Now the prosecutor argued that david went to the gym around 7 00 and then secretly ducked out of the Basketball Game, a fiveminute drive home, and then return to play ball after killing his family. They had to prove that he was home at the time of the murders. There was a call, time stamp 7 19 pm. So you have a husband who says i was playing basketball at seven. You have a Phone Record that says he was likely making The Call, at the landline in his home. Almost certainly. He would be The One that was doing. It and this Phone Call blows up his alibi . Yes. The prosecutor moved on to the Crime Scene and focused on what happened to came in the garage that night. We thought the pants had been pulled down. You accuse the husband of the murder. Why are you telling the jury that he probably pull the pants down . Its part of a staged event. Kim had not been raped. But the prosecutor argued that her body appeared to have been moved. Staged, a cop would know how to do it. Trying to get the jury was thinking that someone was there to molester. The investigators never located the Murder Weapon. The only evidence the state had that the gun was in his hand that night was this. Barely physical droplets on the lower left hand of his tshirt. How those drops of blood got there was the crux of the Case Blow back. This is what happens when you shoot at close range. You get that blood on your shirt. Correct. If you got high Velocity Impacts better on the tshirt, he has to be within four feet of the child at the time. That the child was killed. The prosecution believed that David Camm shot from inside the car, Targeting Jill in the backseat. Thats how her blood sprayed on his shirt. But why . Why would David Camm kill his family . The reasons for those killings, the prosecutor declared, was that david was a philandering husband. That was one of the first time that i heard him cry. Remember kims old friend, marcy . The prosecutor had her testify about an Affair David Head when kim was pregnant in 1994. She was called in tears to say that she and david were separated. Soon after, marcy visited kim. She was upset. You know, and saddened by it, especially just having a baby. There was more. Just three weeks before the murders, marcy had another troubling Phone Call from kim. Her demeanor was different, her attitude was different, she didnt want to hang up the phone but yet she didnt want to talk. The old friends made plans for came in the children to visit marcy. Then came said something she never explained. She felt like history was repeating itself. We didnt go into what that meant because we said well talk about it when we get there. Kim never made it. At trial, the clear implication was that david was carrying around again. The prosecutor portrayed him as a scoundrel who used his badge to get sex. Theres people he pulls over, and eventually he seduces them. In court the prosecutor called the parade of women, presenting them as davids conquests. More than a dozen of them were counted the flirting, the six, he wanted to have women and his wife was getting in the. Way yes. He was an obstacle for the kind of lifestyle he wanted to pursue. Thats correct. And if the dalliances with the women werent enough to suggest motivation to the jury, the prosecutor had something else, a medical examiners testimony that injuries observed on the murder daughter, fiveyearold jill, who are consistent with sexual abuse. So now the Little Girl falling on the monkey. Bars no, no milky, bars no bicycle, nothing like. That so there was the prosecutions accused. Child molester, murderer, The Killer with blowback Blood Spatter on his tshirt. The Defense Lawyers had their work cut out for them. You had a big fight as a Defense Attorney. Yes sir, yes sir. And thats not unusual but this one was just so much out of profile. Coming up. That cracking in molding, i believe, it was totally founded on things that werent factual. And was a complete fiction. The timeline of the crime. That was their smoking gun. The defense is about to stop the clock, when dateline continues. Ne continues. The trial of David Camm was underway in Floyd County, indiana. It is the winter of 2002. Nervous . David camm, accused of murdering his wife and two young children, always insisted the case was built on quicksand. Its about crafting, molding a belief that was totally founded on things that werent factual. And it was just a complete fiction. Davids Defensive Tierney was Mike Mcdaniel, now deceased. He told us he knew david as a trooper. What impressions did you have of david before he became a client . I figured he was another redneck state cop. Who had done a couple of cases, him on one side, me on the other. But mcdaniel became convinced of his innocence and came on board to defend him. This is one of those terrible cases that a Defense Lawyer never once, they call him a ravage or, they make you crazy, you dont want an innocent client. The defense could only flinch and take the Body Blows to the camera. The jury is getting this picture of a hardworking wife, nose to the grindstone, taking care of babies, while he is out with polled answers. Yes, on duty. You have 13 women coming in there with varying degrees of sexual Conduct Contact or innuendo. Another troopers wife, for god sakes. Not a good set effects. Not a good set. Affects the defense pulled out potentially its strongest weapon and put david on the stand to say he knew he messed up. I regret all of that stuff. Its so unfortunate the, disrespect that i showed my wife. But then god, we dont jump from that to saying that that automatically makes a person a murderer. Its ridiculous. Then the defense had to confront the ugly allegation that the fiveyearold daughter had been molested. Its simply stated, though, that the bruises were the result of bunch amara. The defense argued that the bruises happened during the attack. Still, it was tough going. Theyve got a guy who has a lot of girlfriends, there may be evidence of child molestations, this is a very tough thing to combat, david. It is, its virtually impossible. Having done its best to hammer the States Case for a motive, the Defense Turn to physical evidence. The strongest evidence, the case for davids guilt, was the Blood Spatter. A Defense Expert testified that the blood got on the shirt very simply, saying that when he got in the car to move his son, some blood got on his daughter s hair. The Defense Testimony was that he was transferred from that contact with the strands of her hair. And then the timeline. The Defense Lawyer challenge the Prosecutions Theory that david snuck out in the middle of his Basketball Game, killed his family, and then return to play ball. The Defense Attorney focused on the Phone Call made from the Cam House when david said he was at the church gym. The state had tethered its timeline to that Phone Call. That was their smoking gun. They had a bunch of those and every time they would have a smoking gun, they would unload it. The defense unloaded it by calling a witness from her verizon, who testified that the time stamp was on corrupt to to the Time Zone in indiana. It was a call that david made to a client before he went to play ball. Even more important, david had a solid alibi. 11 eye witnesses, the basketball players, to corroborate his story that hed been throughout the gym at the gym throughout that evening. Did he leave the court that night . No. He couldnt have left without you guys seeing . He left out if he left at one point, we would have seen him. So throughout the time theres two sets of eyes looking in different directions. As a group, i think someone would have noticed that he was missing. Sam locker, the uncle was playing that night. Two is it possible that dave could have slipped away . Is it possible that he snuck out, weve gone ten or 15 minutes, killed his family without anyone noticing . Absolutely not. Thats impossible. But if david wasnt The Killer, then who . Was the defense had its answer. It was the person who owns that Gray Sweatshirt. The one that was lying by Brads Body the night of the murders. Defense attorney Mike Mcdaniel had recognized a sweatshirt as prison issue. In the color of this sweatshirt is the Word Backbone and im thinking, okay, thats a nickname. Tests on that sweatshirt reveal dna from various people, including an unknown male. But the prosecutor said there was no match. That male dna was run through the national database. Still, it seems to be a breaking point. Proving that Someone Else was in the garage that night. We knew that that was probably the key to solving this. We didnt know that person by name, but by god we knew him by dna profile. Finally, it was up to the jurors. As reporters lingered in the hallway, the jury deliberated for three days. Guilty, guilty. David cam was found guilty of killing his wife and children. The jury comes back and guilty as charged. Thats what we wanted and now we feel like jill brad, they can be at peace. Then an emotional outburst. Before i knew it, i was standing up and screaming, you are wrong, youre wrong. And a few people had to take me out of the courtroom. And you are being walked off and chains. Youre not leaving that courthouse. Right. And knowing what lies ahead of me, you know, going to prison, a former Police Officer. It was absolutely nothing i could do about. It David Camm was sent to the state penitentiary. But his Uncle Sam was not finished. Unless they had killed me, thats how they were going to stop me. They could have killed me. No, it wasnt. Over maybe not, but David Camm was facing 195 years behind bars. He was sent to the slammer, that youre going to do time. And you are learning how to become incarcerated. I had to. I didnt have a choice. I had to figure out how to survive. And i made my mind up early on, thats what i was going to do. Did you get confronted inside the joint . This is the guy that was a former cop, a trooper . Not directly, but people would say things or you would hear people talking. And so on. Did you think, im done . I was just bewildered at first. But i didnt know that there was a glimmer of hope, that there is this thing called an appeal. A successful appeal, another trial. Most Convicts Fling cling futilely to the straw. Long odds. Yes, until you read that transcript. A new legal team with a different strategy was about to take the case to the State Court of appeals. Coming up,. He has a Foot Fetish and so when they thought, at first, that it was not a Sex Crime, we kept saying, well not everyone targets the same place in a Sex Crime. A break in the case. Someone new enters the picture. As brainy as Ted Bundy as brawny as mike tyson. A sociopath. Who is this guy . When dateline continues. Eline continues. Downys been taking you back, since way back. With Freshness And Softness you never forget. Feel the difference with downy. Like you, my hands are everything to me. But i was diagnosed with dupuytrens contracture. And it got to the point where things i took for granted got tougher to do. Thought surgery was my only option. Turns out i was wrong. So when a Hand Specialist told me about nonsurgical treatments, it was a total game changer. Like you, my hands have a lot more to do. Learn more at factsonhand. Com today. Was found guilty of murdering his wife and children. The new lawyers handling his appeal were optimistic. It was over the top. What was over the top was allowing the gropes. How was that relevant to what happened on September 28th. Jurors, this is a bad Guy Weve got here. Absolutely. Hes a louse of a husband and were going to tell you more. And the Appeals Court agreed. The women should have never been permitted to testify. The conviction was overturned, but the victory was shortlived. The new prosecutor announced there would be a second trial. After a review of the previous Evidence And Review of some new evidence that has come to light, ive decided to pursue the charges against David Camm for the murders of kimberly camm, bradley camm, and jill camm. With another trial looming, the Defense Team was intent on bringing sharply into focus a piece of evidence it believed would set david free. The Gray Sweatshirt, with that unknown male dna. Back in 2001, the prosecutor said there had been no match when the dna was run through a national criminal database. But Sam Lockhart says he approached the new investigators to run it through again. They werent even wanting to talk to me. I wanted to show them the new data. I said in case that this guy has been arrested now and you got new dna on that databank, would you run this. No, we cant take it. Then the attorneys tried. They asked the prosecutor. We start saying, please run the dna through the data bank. Please do it, and he refuses. The state finally ran the dna three months after Sam Lockhart first started asking about it. And low and behold, we find Charles Boney. Charles boney. Does this name mean anything to you . Didnt mean a thing. Id never heard the name before. Uh, it was a complete shock to me. Charles boney. A name that would change everything in the case against David Camm. Boney. His Prison Nickname was backbone, the same name inked in on the sweatshirts collar. Who does this Guy Boney turn out to be . As brainy as Ted Bundy and as brawny as mike tyson. Hes a sociopath. Charles boney a criminal with a history of violent crimes against women. It began in the 1980s when he was a student at indiana university. Newspapers called him the Shoe Bandit and followed his bizarre crimes. Thered been four separate incidents his early m. O. . Hed knock a woman to the ground and make off with one of her shoes. Really creepy stuff like one crime, he wore one of those China Doll masks. I mean, like creepy stuff you cant make up. The police were onto him. After one arrest, he admitted in effect that he had a thing for ladies legs and feet. He pleaded guilty to those crimes, and in time, his attacks became more violent. He began threatening women at gunpoint. One incident involved three coedds. He had been watching them and one night, just walked into their apartment, held them at gunpoint to their head, took them out, kidnapped them to the car. Luckily, Somebody Saw him with the gun leading the women out, called Bloomington Police department. He pleaded guilty again and was sentenced to 20 years in prison for armed robbery, but was released after serving only seven years. By July 2000, three months before the camm murders, he was out on parole and the defense maintains he still had the old compulsion. Kim camm fit the profile. Yes. He has a Foot Fetish, and so when they thought at first that it was not a Sex Crime, we kept saying, well, not everybody targets the same place in Sex Crimes. Kim camm had bruising on her toes. Her shoes were on top of the bronco. Her pants had been removed. And Boneys Sweatshirt with his dna was at the Crime Scene. And it turns out that dna had been in the database three months before the murders. It took one hour and one email to find Charles Boney. That couldve been done in 2002, had Prosecutor Faith done it. And youd think on a case on which, you know, children and a mom are murdered, ambushed in a garage, that they would bend over backward to do it right. Stan faith was the prosecutor in trial one. The defense said, well, we asked you, the state, the prosecutors to send that out. To be balanced, to be tested against a national register of dna. I asked the Lead Investigator to do that. And he said, we didnt get anything. And thats why but, in fact, he hadnt sent it out at all. No, i think he sent it out. Well, he hadnt sent the proper dna. Faith says he later learned the detective sent out the wrong Dna Sample from the sweatshirt. Mike mcdaniel, davids first Defense Attorney, didnt buy that. I think hes a liar. You dont think he ever ran it . No, i dont think he ever asked anybody to run it. He told you he did . Yes. So when he says that the prosecution is lying him lying means that you knowingly you tell a falsehood. I didnt tell him a lie. I told him what i thought was true. Whatever the truth is, now more than four years later, there was a name to that dna. Do you allow yourself to think, here we are on our way to case closed, finally . Absolutely. Weve got a name sure. Weve got genetic, forensic evidence. This is the shooter. Right, that this is The Killer. Absolutely. Coming up a new suspect in the hot seat. If anything else links you to it, youre done. Stick a fork in you. You see, that would normally worry me. I wasnt there. This intense interrogation, where will it lead . When dateline continues. Ne c. This past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. But eventually, with spring comes rebirth. Everything begins anew. And many of us realize a fundamental human need to connect with other likeminded people. Welcome back to the world. Viking. Exploring the world in comfort. Once again. Are your Hr Processes weighing down your employees . 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Dave would sink only briefly, he would have lows. Thered be times when Id Talk to him and hed sound really down, but he never stayed there. Because he couldnt stay there. Staying in that despondency, that hopelessness is excruciating. But now there finally seemed to be a break in the case. The unknown male dna on the sweatshirt had been identified as Charles Boneys. And just two days later, The Cops Brought Boney in and started grilling him on how it ended up on the Garage Floor. That sweatshirt is in the middle of a Crime Scene of a triple homicide. Somehow that sweatshirt got there, your sweatshirt. You explain to me how it got there. I have no idea. Boney admitted the sweatshirt had once been his, but said hed dumped it in a Salvation Army Dropbox about a month before the murders. It shows up at a Crime Scene. Not laundered, not washed. If it would have went though the Salvation Army Drop box, that would have been a clean sweatshirt. Your dna, chances are, probably wouldnt have been on there, but it is. I see where youre coming from. As for David Camm do you know David Camm . No. You ever met David Camm . No. Do you remember the murder of David Camms family . On television, yes. Do you know where David Camm lives . Only on television. I dont even know what his address is. The interrogation went on for some 12 hours with Boney Sticking to his story. The detectives released him with a warning. Make no mistake about it, if anything else links you to it, youre done, stick a fork in you. Now, see, that would normally worry me. I wasnt there. Then two weeks after letting boney walk, there was something else. Something big. Early, uh, yesterday morning, i was notified of some uh additional scientific evidence, uh, that linked mr. Boney to the, uh, to the homicides. The prosecutor revealed that a Palm Print found on the Exterior Passenger Side of the Bronco Door Frame was left there by None Other than Charles Boney. Investigators had been aware of the Palm Print for more than four years, but only now did they know whose it was. Boney was hauled back into the interrogation room, and the questioning became more confrontational. Youve got some explaining to do here, charles. Your Palm Print is on that bronco. Youre there. Now this is the time, this is the place. This is your last stage that youre going to have to tell us what the hell happened there. This is it. This cant be happening. Charles after hours of denial, boney changed his story. Yes, he did know David Camm. They met playing pickup basketball. Then in another round of questioning, the story changed and changed again. Finally, boney put himself at the Crime Scene. The reason why i was there was to bring him the gun. That night . That night. Boney said David Camm asked him to get an untraceable gun. He said that he was a guy caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. As events started to unfold in the investigation, it became apparent that this case was intertwined between two people. Now the prosecutor had a new theory. David camm did not act alone. He had a coconspirator. The excop and the excon were each charged with the three killings. David was outraged. He believed he should have been set free. After all, Charles Boneys signature was all over the scene. He attacks women, defenseless, innocent women. He takes their shoes, their socks. He holds guns to their heads and threatens to shoot them in the head. You know, all of those things from his previous crimes, this is exactly what happened to kim. Why cant they see this stuff . You know, they just turn a blind eye to the facts. But the prosecutor had a different set of facts. We know that the defense has maintained that this is now The Killer, that i should dismiss the charges against David Camm, the evidence is not there. In january 2006, Charles Boney and David Camm stood trial separately in two different courthouses. While he wasnt accused of being the shooter, boney was found guilty on three counts of murder in the deaths of kim, brad, and jill cam. He was sentenced to 225 years. And the Prosecution Team rejected any notion that boney acted alone. Why . Those tiny specks of blood. They were on davids shirt, but not on Boneys Sweatshirt. His shirt does not have high velocity Blood Spatter on it. So, a former Indiana State Trooper is now going to be a coconspirator with a felon . Yeah, makes sense . His storys the only Thing Youve got that link him to David Camm. Theres no Phone Records. Theres No One whos ever seen them together. Theres no text messages. Theres no smoke signals. Theres nothing between David Camm and Charles Boney. At David Camms second trial, boney was named as the other man at the scene, also charged with the triple murders. Otherwise, the case against him was pretty much the same, absent the female witnesses the Appeals Court had thrown out. And this time the state focused on the allegation that david molested his 5yearold daughter as a motive for the murders. Well, the motive was kimberly was leaving David Camm and that she was leaving him because of the child molesting. And he could not let her leave. He could not let that secret out. That was the secret in the camm household. The defense countered. Brought in experts to show there was no solid evidence the Little Girl had even been molested. The States Theory of why david murdered his family was purely made up. It was speculation. David camm had never been charged with sexual molestation, but that didnt stop the prosecutor from closing his case with a big dramatic flourish. He took his finger and stuck it in daves face and said, you molested your child. The jury took four days to reach its verdict. Guilty on all three counts. We can tell you that David Camm has now been convicted of the murder of his wife and the murder of his two kids, Brad And Jill. Guilty again. Guilty again. With the same inflammatory evidence. This was just such a heinous accusation. But the saga was far from over. David Camms Uncle still refused to retreat. So you go to dave and you say we tried. Yeah. I say, were not done, dave. Youve got to hang in there. Were not done. Coming up they certainly werent done, but the prosecutors werent done either. And the placement of the Sweatshirt Led you to believe David Camm put it there. And Charles Boney was just getting started. He wants you to deliver a second handgun. It was just overwhelming. Ive tried a lot of cases, Death Penalty cases, murder cases. Ive never tried anything like. This. When dateline continues Yon Looks and feels. And thats the kind of change you notice. Hide my skin . Not me. Dont use if youre allergic to dupixent. 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The cdc has signed off on recommendations for immunocompromised people getting a third dose of pfizer or the moderna vaccine. This comes as overwhelming cases are in hospitals in Mississippi And Alabama where the governor has issued a state of emergency. Meanwhile out west people suffering from heatrelated illness are filling the emergency rooms. The National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration has declared july the hottest month on the planets record. Now back to dateline. Sam lockharts mission to clear the name of his Nephew David continued unabated after camm and Charles Boney were both convicted of the murders of davids family. Now weve got The Killer who killed kim, brad, and jill. We finally got that accomplished. Now, our next chore, we are still after that. We were still after getting Dave Camm another trial. Youre back to the Appeals Court again. Right. All rise. The Indiana Supreme Court heard the appeal. Attorneys Stacy Uliana and Kitty Liell stayed on the case. These crimes are also connected. They argued that the evidence that david molested his daughter was pure speculation and should not have been allowed in the trial. Theres absolutely no evidence at all that camm was the perpetrator of that, right . In 2009, the upper court agreed. Convictions reversed. Two words. Thats all i needed. A second victory for the camm team. The conviction was overturned, and the judges ordered a new trial. Statistically, a successful appeal of a Firstdegree Murder Charge is a long shot, and yet you got it. Well, i got it twice. That doesnt happen. Doesnt happen. You know, if you dont believe in something bigger, you need to really evaluate your spirituality because, you know, man, that was a god thing. The third David Camm Murder Trial under way now in boone county, indiana. In august 2013, more than a dozen years after the murders, David Camm faced his third jury. A special prosecutor, stan levco, was appointed to represent the state. Here youre going to start the third trial. How did you appraise your case when it became yours . When i first got it, it was just overwhelming. Ive tried a lot of cases over the years, a lot of Death Penalty cases, murder cases. Ive never tried anything like this. Ive never seen anything this complicated. With no philandering husband, no molesting father, what remained was the theory of the crime that david left the Basketball Game, killed his family, and then went back to play some more. Once again, the prosecutor argued that the scene in the garage was staged to look like a Sex Crime. And her pants have been removed. Correct. Removed after shed been killed. Whats more, the positioning of kims body, he argued, was not what youd expect of a person whod been shot and fallen. Her feet are under the car about roughly 10, 12 inches under the car. Her legs were at an angle, which seemed unusual. Unusual how . Well, they werent straight. They were at an angle. You just wouldnt expect them to be that way. And the infamous sweatshirt, The One that once belonged to Charles Boney, was also part of the staging the prosecutor argued. The placement of the sweatshirt was incriminating. I thought the way it was put there led you to believe that David Camm put it there. Tucked all too neatly under brad Camms Body as though put there on purpose to frame Charles Boney. Remember, no Murder Weapon was ever found. The heart of the Prosecutions Case was still that freckling of blood at the bottom of davids shirt. Powerful, incriminating evidence. It argued, marking david as the shooter. The Little Girl was seat belted on this side as youre looking in. Tom bevel, a bloodstain pattern analyst, was an Expert Witness for the prosecution. In a bronco similar to The One owned by the camms, he demonstrated for us where he believes david was wedged inside the car to get those specks of blood on the bottom of his shirt. Whats a likely posture for the shooter . Wouldve been leaned in somewhat like this in order to get the correct trajectory for her. Now, i noticed your Shooting Hand is up pretty high. It is. Is that an awkward shot . Its not necessarily awkward, but we have to go with the physical evidence. It is what it is. And the physical Evidence Isnt like this. But why so few spots . Bevel said its because most of the blowback hit the inside roof of the vehicle. Like much of the other evidence, the Blood Spatter testimony was essentially the same as in the other two trials. What would be enormously different this time was the star witness. The jury was going to hear from Charles Boney himself. A huge risk for prosecutor levco. So youve got to wonder how good this Witness Boney is going to be for you, right . Yes. Certainly his credibility was going to be in question. Why put him on the stand then . I felt like i didnt have a choice. If i didnt put him on the stand, i suspect they would have, but also i thought the jury ought to hear it. This is the story that boney told in court. He said he met David Camm in July 2000 playing basketball in a local park. We talked to boney in prison. It was just a Pickup Game of basketball, and i didnt know him or really anyone there. I just im fresh out of prison, you know, and the scene is different. After the game he said camm was bragging, talking smack about how easily hed beaten boney. And at that point, i just said, well, you know, i may have lost the game, but at least i have my freedom. And hes like, freedom . I was like, yeah, i just got out of prison. David boney continued and then told him he used to be a state trooper. At The End of that day, did you know him by name . No, i didnt know his full name until our second chance meeting. That meeting was in september, boney said, about a week or so before the murders. They ran into each other at a Convenience Store and got to talking in the Parking Lot. The gist of our conversation was about, are you employed . Are you staying out of trouble . And then, it evolved into, well, what types of things did you do to get in prison in the first place . He was creating his own form of intel. He was learning quite a few things about Charles Boney. Boney told him hed been inside for robbery. And when i slowly started to let him know about some of the things that i did in the past, he asked me, well, are you still able to get untraceable weapons . Untraceable. Thats, thats what It Led to, im just. A clean, clean gun. A clean gun. Throwdown gun. Something that cant be traced by Law Enforcement and ballistics. So boney said he scored a handgun the same day, met david again in a Parking Lot and handed over the weapon. He paid boney 250. But one Gun Wasnt enough as Boneys Story goes. He wants me to deliver yet a second handgun. And so, i followed mr. Camm back to his house, i can see visibly exactly where he lives. As boney tells it, they spoke outside the house for just five minutes. Boney asked when he should return with the second gun. And im asking this man, you know, what time . What time should i be back here . Well, why dont you come back on thursday at approximately 7 00, et cetera. So i knew what time to be back. So meet me here on Thursday Night in the Evening And Youll have some more cash in your pocket. Exactly. It was thursday, september 28, the evening of the murders. I arrived at mr. Camms house at approximately 7 oclock. He said he handed over the gun to camm wrapped in his Gray Sweatshirt. Wheres this happening . Right outside the garage. So we exchanged pleasantries, and my sole purpose is to simply get the 250 for the second weapon. Boney says after a few minutes in the bronco, the wife and kids arrived and pulled into the garage. And what happens . I hear a little bit of commotion. It just sounds like somethings not right. It sounds like theyre arguing. And then, all of a sudden, i hear an immediate pop. And before i heard the pop, i heard her say, no, and it was a commanding, no, like, stop, and then, i heard a pop. Then i heard the word, daddy. Two more pops followed. Did you know what that was . It sounded like a handgun. So what did you think . Im thinking that theres this is a Crime Scene. So do you say, i even got to get out of here . I would have liked to had just left, but as he emerged from the garage and pointed the handgun at me, i was frozen. Oh, so now youre a target . Absolutely. So he needs to kill Charles Boney. But the gun jammed. At that point, reason says, im out of here. Well, the thing is once i realize that your gun doesnt have projectiles in it, now my job is to get you. Youre going for him. Absolutely. Now, as boney tells it, the scene moved into the garage. As i go into the garage, im chasing after mr. Camm. I heard him say, you did this. And i took that as, this is your crime. As camm went inside the house, boney says he saw the victims. The wife down by the car door. He remembers her being fully clothed. Then he says he stumbled. I trip over shoes. I remember touching these shoes. I clearly touched something that is now a part of what will be a murder scene. Sew, yeah, i did pick them up. I did try to wipe them off. Kims shoes, he placed them on top of the broncho. Then he looked inside the vehicle and says he saw the two children. Mindful of leaving dna and prints, he says he touched none of the bodies. Then he says he heard david moving inside the house. And it clicked into my head, hes going for a weapon. I mean, this guy is a former Indiana State Trooper. At which point he bolted from the scene. Had i stayed there any longer, theres No Doubt he would have killed me and he would have just lied and said to his buddies at the Indiana State police, i came home and i found this black guy. After listening to boney testify, the defense was ready to pounce. Thats his story. And it makes absolutely no sense. But it explains away all the evidence that they had against him at the time. But what boney didnt account for was the dna that was going to be found and he has no story for that. Coming up Boneys Story was, i ran in, did this, never touched nesh. Clearly not true. New dna evidence. He absolutely fought camm. He touched jill. Did you do that . What will boney say now . Sayw this past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. But eventually, with spring comes rebirth. Everything begins anew. And many of us realize a fundamental human need to connect with other likeminded people. Welcome back to the world. Viking. Exploring the world in comfort. Once again. Its time for the biggest sale of the year, on the new Sleep Number 360 smart bed. It helps keep you effortlessly comfortable by sensing your movements and automatically responding to both of you. And, its Temperature Balancing to help you stay comfortable all night. 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He timed it perfectly so it would be right at the time he was going to meet Charles Boney and murder his family. It is beyond belief what he would have had to have put in place in order for this alibi to have worked. I mean, this sounds like a commandos, synchronize your watches kind of scenario. Its absurd. Theres absolutely no commonsense way he could have pulled it off. And camm had a solid alibi. Eleven men had seen him playing basketball from a little after 7 00 until about 9 20 that night. There was No One to support any part of the Story Boney had just told. There is not one shred of evidence that puts those two people together. Richard kammen was a new face on the Defense Team. And the reason theres flog is because it didnt happen. The defense insisted boney was the sole killer in the garage that night and that back in 2000, investigators ignored evidence pointing to the convicted felon. To make that point, the defense called damon fay, a Veteran Homicide Detective who now trains police in how to conduct murder investigations. I dont like testifying against other cops. Im very uncomfortable with it. Fay recited flaw after flaw in the camm investigation. The most significant, he said was the handling of Boneys Sweatshirt. When a Homicide Detective actually gets some physical evidence thats got Somebodys Name on it and dna, you hug it, you love it. It is such a rare event. And they thought of it as an artifact. Which in nonlegal terms means move on, forget about it. This is nothing. Well, thats right. It would have changed everything. First of all, within two weeks tops, they would have had boney. And fay pointed out other blunders as well. The heavy reliance on the Blood Spattered tshirt. That is the physical evidence against David Camm. Of all of the Crime Scene possibilities, the most misinterpreted is Blood Spatter. You dont hang the entire case just on the interpretation of blood splatter. Youve got to have so much more. The theory of a staged Sex Crime was flat out wrong. They really never probed out the fact that it could be a Voyeur Or Somebody with a Panty Fetish or somebody who is just sexually excited at the view of a womans legs. Someone, say, who fit the profile of Charles Boney. Big problem, because the suspect that they dont know about, and wont know about for about five years has complete personality reflected in that Crime Scene up to the point of how kim was found. And remember a Boney Palmprint had also been found on the bronco. More evidence, the defense said, that he was The Killer. So here we have a 90sera ford bronco. Defense expert eugene liscio, an engineer Who Reconstructs Crime Scenes, showed us how the Palm Print would have been left by the shooter. It really is just as simple as reaching into the vehicle like this to make a shot for jill and then for bradley you would lean over a bit more and fire a shot this way. I noticed that you braced yourself. Yeah. Here. And this is where Crime Scene techs find a Palm Print. Yes, they did. They found a Palm Print up in this particular airy. But it makes perfect sense that if youre leaning in, you want to be able to stabilize yourself, especially if youre making a shot. And now the defense had fresh scientific evidence that boney actually put his hands on two of the victims. Boneys story, of course, was i ran in. I i did this. I never touched anybody. Clearly not true. There is something in the field of Dna Analysis called Touch Dna. Lab experts use Human Cells to make an identifying hit on a suspect. Touch dna from Boneys Skin cells was found on kim camms sweater, her underwear, and on her daughter, jills shirt. The dna conclusively proves that he absolutely fought with kim, that he touched jill. And the defense hoped its Cross Examination of boney would be still more proof. Camm had to steel himself to watch boney on the stand. Youre looking at him. Right. There was no way for me to actually prepare myself for that. And it was a situation where i really had to think about what was at stake. And doing what was right in that moment. Having to sit and there and look at this guy that i knew killed my family and not react. The defense said Boneys Story was absurd. For starters why would an excop ask an excon for a gun . The Police Officer doesnt think, well, how can i trust this guy . Hes a criminal. And the guy who just got out of person doesnt smell a rat . He doesnt think, maybe im being set up . It makes absolutely no sense. The defense took on Boneys Story in crossexamination. We had some of the same questions when we spoke to him. How many versions did it take to get to the story you just told, charles . What, three, four, five times, maybe . Yes. I finally realized that the more i keep lying, im just digging myself deeper and deeper. Im not going to get out of it. And when i did finally start tellin the truths about things, i didnt feel comfortable revealing too much too soon because i didnt want to be a part of the case to begin with, so, once again, i resorted to telling a lot of stories. But The Big Picture here, charles, for a lot of people, is that it sounds like a crock, that a felon, just out of the slammer would hook up with a recently retired State Police officer and do this gun exchange. It just doesnt seem to make sense. It doesnt pass the sniff test. Theres a lot of things about this case that doesnt make sense. If i were you, i would have alarms going off inside my head. Here you are on probation. How do you know that this former cop is really a former cop and hes not setting you up with a sting . Although that did Cross My Mind and i had concerns about it, there was something about him. If youve spent any time with mr. Camm, he has a way of putting you at ease, he has a way of making you feel like hes legit and everythings okay. And plus i didnt care what the gun was for. Youve provided this former trooper with weapons, he was on a special Weapons Team with the Indiana State police. He was s. W. A. T. So theoretically here, this premeditated crime, hes going to trust a handgun thats come off The Street that he hasnt checked out, hes just unwrapped it from the sweatshirt and immediately used it for his business. Well, it was. It was the gun. Those are questions that i cant possibly answer. Why did he want me there at the Crime Scene . We know why, because he wanted me to take the blame for all of this. So as boney tells it, the transaction happens, he delivers the gun, hears the gunfire in the garage, and then david tries to shoot him. Why dont you just belt right out of there . If you point a weapon at me, even on a prison level, if a guy comes at me with a shank, im going to get that shank from him, and then its my turn. Its that simple. Im just going to pit it out there. I kept get into any trouble. My intent was to kill David Camm that day. You tried to kill me, and now im going to kill you. But before i had a chance to kill him, i stumbled across this beautiful woman, dead, lifeless on the ground. Then, boney said, he stumbled over the womans shoes, and took the time to place them on top of the bronco. But then youre down on the floor, the way you tell it. You tripped . Yeah, i did. I tripped over the shoes. And then your emotions are going wild, this guys tried to kill you, youre in a Crime Scene, youre going to stop, we have to believe that you could say, oh, shoes, ive got to put these on top of the vehicle. Charles, it doesnt make any sense. Doesnt make any sense. No, no, no. See, heres the thing, im wiping the shoes off, and i see one little Leg Or Something hanging out the passenger side. I go to investigate to see if Theres Anyone else in the back of the vehicle. And when i leaned in to look, i put the shoes on top. I dont even remember doing it. Doesnt remember doing it and he says doesnt know why. I wasnt thinking about why i did that, but i was cognizant and really thinking about the dna or possible fingerprints from having tripped and touched those shoes. But you know, that Palm Print, charles, is just where you would brace yourself to lean across to shoot at that little boy. Thats according to Defense Expert witnesses. You gotta understand, the prosecution has that same evidence, they dont see it that way. But what im saying is, if youre so concerned about tidying up why would you be so clumsy as to leave a big Ol Hand Print on the vehicle . I i leaned in to check on the children, what i seen there was horrifying. Im not worried about that Palm Print, i didnt even realize i left a Palm Print. Do you think that if i had have known i wouldnt have taken the time to wipe it off . I wanted to just get out of there. Did you touch any of the victims, charles . No, i did not. So how does he explain his Touch Dna on kim and jill camms clothes . Ive touched David Camm, weve shook hands, and he handled my sweatshirt. My Skin Cells are clearly on him. So anything that he touches can be transferred. While the Defense Couldnt tell the jury about boneys past, the Foot Fetish, the Armed Robberies, we knew the record and asked him about it. When people understand your criminal history, the fetishes, what happened in the garage seemed to fit your appetites. This Guys History just played out on a violent scale that hed never been through before. Well, first of all, my history does not consist of killing women, shooting people period. Ive not ever had anything like that in my past. Yes, ive been in possession of handguns. Yes, when i was 20 years old, i did some Armed Robberies for cash. Charles. Let me put this to you directly. Were you in the garage that night with the gun in your hand, taking control of kim camm . No, sir. Kids started to cry, i told you to shut up, shoot the wife when she comes after you . Richard Kammens Theory is totally wrong, it never happened. In your panic, forget the sweatshirt, forget about trophies of the shoes that maybe you were going to take later, but for the first time this Sex Fetish Itch that you have has gotten totally out of Control And Youve massacred a family. Did you do that . Charles boney, did you kill that family . No, sir. In fact, thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. A guy with a Foot Fetish kills an entire family just to satisfy his Foot Fetish in a place where hes never been before . It never happened. What are you hoping the jury hears today . I have no comment, sir. With boney as the wild card, David Camms third trial came to an end after nine weeks. Its over. Right now, just Waiting for the verdict. Would the jurors believe the Tale Theyd heard . The felon duped into a Crime Scene by the excop . For the third time in 13 years, his fate was in their hands. Coming up i was scared to death. Verdict number three. Would anyone dare predict what this one would be . Everybody kind of had that same feeling, but none of us had the nerve to utter it. When dateline continues. When dateline continues its a new dawn. If youve been taking copd sitting down, its time to make a stand. Start a new day with trelegy. No oncedaily Copd Medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. With three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves Lung Function. It also helps prevent future flareups. Trelegy wont replace a Rescue Inhaler for sudden breathing problems. 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For two families, there was nothing to do but Wait. The renns, kims parents, wanted nothing more than to hear the word guilty again. The new evidence had not changed their minds. You believe david killed your daughter and the kids . Yes. That will never change. Why isnt Boneys Presence enough to explain everything that happened in that garage . It just didnt. Theres just too many other things. Theres too many stories been told on both sides and, you know, i dont believe neither one of them are telling the truth. We have gotten word that a verdict has been reached. The jury took ten hours to reach a verdict. I said, well, it has to be guilty. I mean, i wasnt expecting anything but guilty. Prosecutor Stan Levcos Glass was half full or better. I thought we had a decent chance. I thought it could go either way. But i thought the trial went really well. But kims mom was worried. I was scared because Tenweek Trial and youre only out ten hours. And i had a really bad feeling from the beginning that it was going to be not guilty. David, in a holding cell, got ready, shaking violently. I literally could not fix, button my shirt or fix my tie and my collar and so on. The deputies had to help me. His family, the lockharts, were heartened by a relatively fast deliberation. Everybody kind of had that same feeling of this might be good, but none of us had the nerve to utter it, you know, because you dont want to say that because the hurt, the pain when they say guilty is so devastating. And then it was time. Julie was breathless, Waiting for just one tiny word. Id been kind of trying to practice in my head, what will it sound like to hear the word not . Not. You know, we had always heard guilty. So Id Kind of just fantasized about hearing that word. And thats exactly what she, and everybody else in the courtroom, heard that day. The word not. As in not guilty. Once, twice, three times. You hear the first one and then you hear the second one and youre praying to god you hear the third one. And thats when i lost it, you know, knowing finally, finally the truth has prevailed. Justice for kim and Brad And Jill, for me, for my family. And i just fell to pieces. Not guilty. Not guilty. Thirteen years. Times three. Yes, sir. Thirteen years. Thirteen years of hell. Everybody around me, i looked, was crying. Dave was bawling. I just sat there. I think i was finally, sam, weve got this thing done. Finally. For the other side, the parent, the grandparents, the verdict was a devastating blow. When they said not guilty, that kind of like, ripped my heart out right there. I mean, like, this cant this cant be right. What did these jurors see that the other 24 jurors in the past didnt see . You know, he was convicted twice by 24 different people, and these 12 people seen something that they didnt see . David, can you tell me how youre feeling right now . Outside, the cameras were Waiting. This is complete vindication after 13 horrific years. This is a miracle. My situation is a miracle that we are here, conducting this interview right now. It god literally had to move a mountain to make this happen. But that mountain would never have moved without dedicated attorneys and uncle Sam Lockhart. There had been a lot of people saying the only reason im doing this is because daves my nephew. Well, thats a big reason. Absolutely. But i know hes innocent. He didnt do it. And the only thing i knew to do then was to continue to fight until we reached the solution that was proper. Finally, the David Camm case, one that had dominated the news in Southern Indiana for years, was over. Your name will be clean again. But, you know, there are still going to be people that are going to point at you and whisper and say, thats the guy that got away with killing his family. You know what . I cant help those those people. If they choose to be ignorant, thats on them. Ive had 13 years of my life taken away from me. And its their problem if they choose to be ignorant. And it is a choice. For those who knew and loved kim, brad, and jill, there remains a yearning to know what might have been. For the Wife And Mother. For the two young children. No telling what kim might have been, where she could have been, what the kids have been doing. We lost off that. Dave lost all that David Camm says hell never get over the pain of what happened in the garage that night. The pain becomes a part of you. And you live with it. And its an element of who i am, you know, and how i live my life. On the day of the verdict, as a security precaution, sheriffs deputies drove david to a prearranged Truck Stop and turned him over to his Waiting Uncle Sam. That was the moment he was really free, wasnt it . I think so. I think it finally hit him and it hit me. Like, this guy is no longer in shackles. This guy is with me. 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