Then just one day after the bipartisan infrastructure vote, republicans are back to their old obstructionist ways. Republicans refusing to support anything on Voting Rights is not an excuse for democrats to do nothing. And as they cry freedom over masks and vaccines we dont have to accept the mandates. They do not respect your liberty. I trust them to know their circumstances better than government. What actual libertarian legal scholars say thats ridiculous. Thats when All In starts right now. Good evening from washington, dds d. C. , im meddymeddyh me hassan. Trump said i have long known and worked with mark and the relationship is a very good one. Perhaps thats because the two of them have a lot in common. Both men made a fortune as real estate developers. A Founding Member of the ultra conservative freedom caucus, meadows, like trump, also hated obamacare and they both promoted the racist Birther Conspiracy Theory which says Barack Obama was not born here in the United States. Its interesting when the more we find out, the more we realize how wrong the direction were going. So what were going to do is take back our country. 2012 is the time that were going to send mr. Obama home to kenya or wherever it is. Were going to do it. Charming. And when it came to overturning a free and fair election in 2020, Mark Meadows signed up for that too. Back in june The New York Times reported that in trumps final weeks in office, meadows repeatedly pushed the Justice Department to investigate unfounded Conspiracy Theories about the 2020 president ial election, which included Debunked Claims of Election Fraud in New Mexico and my personal favorite, a baseless conspiracy, a bonkers conspiracy dubbed italygate, a Fantastical Theory that people in italy had used Military Technology An Satellites to remotely tamper with Voting Machines in the United States and switch votes from trump to joe biden. But theres more. Emails released by the House Oversight Committee show meadows pressed acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen to investigate Voter Fraud in georgia, including one email sent January 1st that read, quote, there have been allegations of Signature Match anomalies in fulton county, georgia. Can you get Jeff Clark to engage on this issue immediately to determine if theres any truth to this allegation . The very next day not only did Mark Meadows set up the infamous Phone Call in which trump would ask Georgia Secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger to find 11,780 votes. Meadows was a willing participant in the call. Mr. Secretary, obviously there is there are allegations where we believe that not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was counted, and thats at odds with the representation from the secretary of states office. What im hopeful for, is there some way that we can we can find some kind of an agreement to look at this a little bit more fully . You know, the president mentioned fulton county. But in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of where the facts seem to lead. And so, mr. Secretary, i was hopeful that, you know, in the spirit of cooperation and compromise, is there something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward thats less litigous . The day after the Washington Post released that extraordinary Phone Call, Bjay Pak abruptly resigned. At the time we did not know why. Now we do. Today in testimony to the Senate Judiciary committee, pak said he quit because trump intended to fire him for his refusal to say that, to say that there was Voter Fraud. Now it looks like the committee wants to talk to Mark Meadows yesterday. Yesterday Illinois Senator Dick durbin, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, indicated that he would like the opportunity to interview meadows. But you have to ask, what has the Department Of Justice been doing for the last seven months when it comes to Mark Meadows . On Monday Night on this show, i asked the same thing about Donald Trump. But look, i get that prosecuting a former president for inciting a coup and trying to deprive millions of americans of a fair Election Process can be a bit complicated. Its unprecedented. But it shouldnt be for a now private citizen like Mark Meadows. Why is he still a free bird, out there acting like trumps ever so loyal Chief Of Staff . The magic is still there. Weve been here actually working on what comes next, not only in 2024 but how we win back the house in 2022. Were looking at what does come next. Im not authorized to speak on behalf of the president. Okay. But i can tell you this, steve, we wouldnt be meeting tonight if we werent making plans to move forward in a real way and with President Trump at the head of that ticket. But mark Meadows Role is just a piece of the attempt to overthrow the United States government. Now we are learning even more, according to politico. In late december trumped asked his acting Attorney General, Jeffrey Rosen, about a legal strategy that would have urged the Supreme Court to declare that the Electoral College Votes from six key Swing States lost by Trump Cannot be counted because of baseless allegations of fraud. And for the justices to order a special election for president to be held in those states. And there it is. There it is. The trump White House in the form of the president and his Chief Of Staff was trying to serve up a coup and expected everyone from the Department Of Justice to the Supreme Court to help them get away with it. Joyce vance is an msnbc legal analyst and a former u. S. Attorney for the northern district of alabama and she joins me now. Joyce, thanks for coming on the show tonight. Mark meadows is a private citizen. What kind of criminal exposure might he have right now . I want to play to you a bit more from that january Phone Call with Georgia Secretary of state raffensperger. Here hes trying to persuade the states General Counsel to give over voter data to the Trump Team with an assist from the president himself. Have a listen. What youre saying, ryan, hold on, let me make sure. So what youre saying is you really dont want to give access to the data, you just want to make another case on why the lawsuit is wrong . I dont think we can give access to data thats protected by law. But we can sit down with them and say but youre allowed to have a phony election . Youre allowed to have a phony election, right . What type of criminal liability does Mark Meadows have in a state like georgia . Its an important question and the answer, medhi, may be not the one youre looking for is that doj should be investigating to determine the answer to exactly that question. Based on whats on the public record these days, we know that Theres Reason for doj to be looking at a number of crimes, particularly whether there was a conspiracy to defraud the government, whether there was some form of Election Interference or even criminal violation of the hatch act. All of those cases need to be fully investigated to determine whether any of them should be brought. The interesting twist here is doj typically likes to keep its criminal investigations very private until they reach a decision and they only announce indictments once theyre ordained by The Grand Jury. So its a little bit difficult for us to know precisely whats going on at this point in time. But just to be clear, you mentioned those cases. Those are all criminal cases if they went forward, Election Interference, conspiracy to overturn the government. This is serious stuff. And i just want to add to that, joyce, now damning do you think former u. S. Attorney Bjay Paks testimony was today. Senator blumenthal said that he had answered all questions in a seemingly honest and candid way and that my impression is that he believes in the Rule Of Law and he stood up for it. How much does that weigh into all of this . If paks testimony is as reported, its just another nail in the coffin here because, you know, trump did so many things that were horrible that it can become difficult to focus on any one of them. But here we have a u. S. Attorney who has been appointed by this president and he conducts investigation in his district, the fbi does, and they determine that theres no actionable Voter Fraud. That should be the end of it. Thats a decision that should be backed by the deputy Attorney General and the Attorney General. And instead, the top leadership of the department bows to pressure from the White House. And that pressure is essentially this. We dont like the real facts. We want the facts to be something different so we can steal an election. That was a moment where the leadership of the Justice Department should have stood up. And if pak was going to be forced to resign, they should have resigned along with him. Yes. And you have former acting a. G. Jeffrey Rosen Whos been testifying in front of congress and to the Justice Department inspector general sounding to me like a hero, the man who stopped trump from overturning the election. Is he a hero in your view . I think its great that hes testifying now. Its important that we learn the true facts about these failed efforts by trump to find a way to subvert the election, which ultimately left him in his mind with no option other than to go forward with the events on January 6th. That historical trail is important. It would have been far more valuable for the country to learn these facts while the impeachment was live and ongoing. Oh, yes. The country was at a real risk. I think perhaps we forget how dramatic those events on January 6th were. This Attorney General could have been a profile in courage by coming forward and trying to stop these events before they went into motion. One last quick question, joyce. Do you believe the Merrick Garland Doj is up to the task of investigating, indicting, possibly prosecuting Donald Trump and his cronies or is that a bridge too far for this administration . This is an impeccably well qualified doj. Everyone from the Attorney General On Down who will be involved in considerations of investigations and prosecutions has deep experience. They know the business of prosecutions. Medhi, youve heard me say so many times that its a lot easier to be an Arm Chair Prosecutor than it is to actually be the perpendicular whos in The Grand Jury looking at the evidence, making sure that youve got proof beyond a reasonable doubt on all elements of a crime before you indict. I think the folks that President Biden has put in place are more than capable of making these tough decisions. These are people who will resist any sort of external pressure. Theyll just look at the facts and the law. Lets see what happens. Joyce vance, thank you so much for joining us tonight. Congresswoman Madeleine Dean is a democrat from pennsylvania and a former impeachment manager. She joins me live now. Congresswoman, as a former impeachment manager, what are you thinking when you hear about the scope of Mark Meadows efforts to help trump overthrow the election . Wall Street Journal reporter Michael Bender writes in his new book that Mark Meadows had helped introduce trump to doj attorney Jeffrey Clark who was putting together to oust rosen the acting a. G. And Force Georgia to overturn his results. Mark meadows seems to be integral to all of this, was he not . Thank you for having me. Im joining you from my car. I apologize, were in between Summer Storms here in pennsylvania in my district. I just left a roomful of Montgomery County young democrats. They are so eager to learn more about what happened, what failed, who stepped up and served and who did not. So Mark Meadows, what a deep, deep disappointment. But you can see what happened here. As you pointed out in your reporting, this is his fourth Chief Of Staff. Trump was his circle was shrinking. The pool of qualified people was shrinking. And so he put people around him who was willing to do his bidding. And what these tapes reveal, its another set of Data Points and i have a feeling were going to see a White House, whether its the Chief Of Staff or mr. Trump himself with a fulltime job of calling people, elected officials, State Election officials, legislators trying to overturn the election. Mark meadows is its gravely disappointing and of course well need to hear much more about these Phone Calls, emails and others, trying to persuade people to say the election was fraudulent when 60 courts or more said it was not. Yes. Congresswoman, how do you view the former acting Attorney General, Jeffrey Rosen . Some democrats have hailed him as a courageous whistleblower, but he didnt come forward during the impeachment hearings. In Fact Rosen testified before congress and was asked whether trump asked him to interfere in the election and he dodged that question. Have a listen. Prior to january 6, were you asked or instructed by President Trump to take any action at the department to advance Election Fraud claims or to seek to overturn any part of the 2020 Election Results . Well, congressman, as just alluded to in your prior question, i can tell you what the actions of the department were. No, sir. No, sir. I cannot tell you mr. Rosen. About private conversations with the president One Way or the other. What do you make of former acting a. G. Jeffrey rosen, congresswoman . Thank you for asking. And i want to reserve judgment. I want to point out two things. On the one hand he came before voluntarily came before Senate Judiciary and offered hours and hours of what i am sure is going to be very valuable testimony. Like you, i wish he had come forward sooner. But you have to remember, this is a change of administrations. From the Trump Administration who treated the Department Of Justice as its own personal political Law Firm to do its bidding under a. G. Barr and others. So the transition to Biden And Merrick garland, it was Merrick Garland and his Department Of Justice that just, i guess it was in the last month, freed people to testify, no cloud. So im going to reserve judgment and try to understand why it is that mr. Rosen didnt come forward sooner, but i certainly thank him for doing two things, coming forward now and holding the line when the president of the United States urged him and his deputy to simply call it corrupt and leave the rest to me and my republican congressmen friends. Mr. Rosen held the line there. Yes. One last quick question. Will we ever see, do you think, criminal charges against Donald Trump and his top aides . And if not, arent we saying to americans, to the world, that yes, somebody is beyond the law in america . And also arent we just risking another Coup Attempt in the future . I dont know the answer to your question. I certainly know that we have many folks looking at criminal charges. It sure seems as though charges should be brought. In many cases and in many levels. What this all opponents out is Something Else that happened this week and i want to compare and Contrast Value System between democrats, who in the face of mr. Cuomos difficulties, troubles, and behaviors came forward after they saw the independent a. G. Report and said he must resign. He does not represent the values of a public servant. He created a toxic work environment. He sexually harassed members of his staff. Democrats came out, including the very president of the United States and said youve got to resign. What have republicans like Mark Meadows done over the course of the past six years in the face of the Corruption And Indecency and alleged illegal matters around a president. Look at them surrounding him still, holding up him still. Isolating or attempting to insulate him from the corruption, indecency and criminal charges that he should face. Its mind boggling. It is truly mind boggling. Congressman madeline sgleen dean. It reveals values. You dont need to look much farther than that. Thank you so much for your time tonight. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Good to be with you. When texas democrats fled the state a month ago to try and stop republicans from ramming through Voter Suppression bills in a special legislative session, this was how the governor of texas responded. I can and i will continue to call Special Session after Special Session after Special Session, all the way up until election next year. As soon as they come back in the state of texas, they will be arrested, they will be cabined inside the Texas Capitol until they get their job done. Well, tonight hes made good on part of that threat. There are now Arrest Warrants out on those texas democrats. One of them joins me next. Ocrats one of them joins me next. Hey google, turn up the heat. Its the biggest sale of the year, on the new Sleep Number 360 smart bed. Its the most comfortable, duallyadjustable, footwarming, temperaturebalancing proven Quality Night Sleep weve ever made. Save 50 on the new Sleep Number 360 limited edition smart bed. Plus, 0 interest for 24 months. Only for a limited time. [sfx radio being tuned] welcome to allstate. [band plays] a place where everyone lives life wellprotected. And even when things go a bit wrong, weve got your back. 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But guess what, the gopled State Legislature has other priorities. While there are plans to consider a bill appropriating federal covid funds, the bulk of the current legislative session is focused on like banning critical Race Theory for the second time, or blocking transgender athletes from competing in school sports. And of course that bill restricting Voting Rights, which is the reason nearly 60 democratic lawmakers fled the state more than a month ago. Texas law requires a certain number of legislators to be present for work to begin. Most of those democrats have not returned to the capitol. So simply refusing to show up is their only way to block the antidemocratic gop agenda. Meanwhile those budget conscious state republicans are keeping the session active despite it costing taxpayers 43,000 a day. And in a dramatic escalation, the republican Statehouse Speaker has signed more than 50 civil Arrest Warrants for the missing democrats, which means they can be detained and compelled to return to the capitol. Joining me now is joining me is one of those democrats, jasmine crockett, State Representative representing texas 100th district. Representative crockett, thank you for joining us. There is currently a civil warrant with your name on it. Are you concerned about being compelled to returning to the capitol in texas . Because youre still in d. C. Right now, arent you . I am in d. C. Im actually very close to the White House now and im supposed to be having dinner with two of John Lewis brothers at this moment. Im not concerned. For those that dont know, my background is that i am a criminal Defense Attorney and we have some of the most amazing attorneys that have jumped on the case. So we are fighting this in various venues. One of them is in harris county, a county that oddly enough, the republicans have targeted all session long, including these Special Sessions. And so i do anticipate that i will be able to be victorious as relates to a writ which will allow me to walk about freely and do the work in my district until we have a hearing on the validity as to whether or not the speaker can even effectuate these warrants. So the republicans, i think, are now around five members short of what they need to get their legislation passed. How long can texas democrats realistically keep this going, civil warrants, Arrest Warrants or not . I think so long as we have some protection from the courts, then were okay. I think it becomes very questionable if we lose those protections. And right now, were looking at being protected. And i believe that my colleagues are going to hold on. We have been fighting for so long and we know that the Fight Isnt quite over. We know that weve done what we could do here in d. C. We saw what happened at 4 00 a. M. When our wonderful senator from texas decided that he did not want any Voting Legislation to even be debated about. And so now people need to be at home. We need to be helping our constituency because as you stated, our governor is failing all texans, including our constituents. And so we need to be on the ground. We need to be helping out with covid vaccinations. We need to be going door to door to make sure were checking up on people, that they have access to the information they need to protect themselves. Honestly i personally need to back up people like my County Judge who is going up against our governor as relates to him deciding that there could be no Mask Mandates. Representative crockett, ill be interviewing democratic senator Chris Van Hollen in a moment. What is your message to him, to senate democrats, when it comes to protecting democracy in texas and elsewhere . What do you want them to do that theyre not doing . It starts with passing hr1 obviously. You know, what i want senate democrats to see is that we have a governor that is Hell Bent on doing whatever it takes to infringe upon the Voting Rights of the majority of texans. He is so Hell Bent that they are all about wrangling us into the chamber and making us be there to vote. Imagine that. They want to make us vote to take away the rights of so many. If they can do all of that with their majority, then what we can simply do is convince all of our colleagues on the democratic side that this is bigger than texas. That this is something that weve got to do to save democracy. That is what we were elected to do. Democrats tend to be The Good Guys. We need to be The Good Guys right now, because we see what the bad guys are doing. And if theyre doing it in texas, theyre going to do it in georgia, theyre going to do it in arizona, theyre going to do it in florida. We see what theyre doing. They are trying to take us down. And thats not what any of us should stand for. But we see that they are not the party of the republicans that just have philosophical differences. We see that they are the party of trump, and the party of the proud boys and the party of insurrectionists. We need to save our democracy and we need to save it like yesterday. Yes, indeed we do. Whether the democrats in the senate are listening, we will find out later on the Show Andy will be speaking to senator Chris Van Hollen. For now representative jasmine crockett, thank you so much for your time tonight. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. Every single republican in the united States Senate just voted against even debating a Voting Rights bill. So where are the democrats on killing the filibuster to save American Democracy . We have made progress and we are showing very clearly to every one of our 50 senators that republicans wont join us. And yet the importance of Voting Rights, if anything, has strengthened in the minds of everybody, everybody. The tradeoffs in the senate and the price of bipartisanship with a top democratic senator, next. Dont go away. C senator, next dont go away. Do you struggle with occasional Nerve Aches in your hands or feet . Try Nervivenerve Relief from the worlds 1 Selling Nerve Care company. Nervive contains Alpha Lipoic Acid to relieve occasional Nerve Aches, weakness and discomfort. Try Nervivenerve Relief. We just saw a tiny blip of bipartisanship with the trillion Dollar Infrastructure Bill that passed yesterday in the united States Senate with 19 republican votes, including republican Minority Leader Mitch Mcconnell. That stands in stark contrast to today, when every single Senate Republican blocked advancing the voting Rights Act before heading off for a monthlong summer recess. So even the republicans can do bipartisanship, it does not mean they will. Because saving the antidemocratic filibuster is the thing republicans care most about, senators like Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia is out pretending there will be many more bipartisan bills moving forward, so why get rid of the filibuster saying, quote, when we work together and really put the nose to the grindstone, we can get bipartisan support to move forward. Thats what the bipartisan group did so i think it blunts the argument on the filibuster. Well, saying the quiet part loud. The thing is, it is worth it for Mitch Mcconnell to vote for a bipartisan Infrastructure Bill if it means preserving their beloved filibuster. If it means they can kill other democratic priorities including the protection of our Voting Rights. While its great this country is getting new roads and bridges, what does it matter if the country ends up not being a proper democracy anymore . Im joined now to talk about all this by democratic senator Chris Van Hollen of maryland. Hes a member of the Budget Committee which crafted the 3. 5 trillion Budget Resolution which the senate passed overnight. The bipartisan Infrastructure Bill was a big win for your party, for the White House, but it also seems like Mitch Mcconnell and the republicans see it as a win for them, as a way of blunting the effort to getting rid of the filibuster in order to get an even bigger win for themselves on Voting Rights. Well, medhi, im glad that we got the bipartisan win on modernizing our physical infrastructure, but probably the more important and more revealing vote was the one right after that when we moved to go to the Budget Resolution which will help expand Job Opportunities and educational opportunities for every american. Republicans voted no. That legislation would cut the cost of prescription drugs. They voted no. That would allow medicare to cover dental and Hearing And Vision services. They voted no. But heres the catch. We were allowed to go forward with it because the senate rules say that when theres a budgetrelated thing, you can pass things with a majority 51 Senator Vote the Way Democracy is supposed to work. And if you can do it for a budgetrelated thing, for god sakes, you should be able to do it to get a majority to protect our democracy. And so that should be the lesson that came out of Last Night. So i want to come back to the Budget Reconciliation Bill in a moment, but just sticking with the democratic angle, the Small D democratic angle. I want to play to you what Chuck Schumer has said recently about the importance of passing pro Democracy Voting rights legislation. Have a listen. And what did democrats make clear . That were standing up to Voter Suppression. Failure is not an option. Voting is too sacred and everything will be on the table to get it done. In the fight for Voting Rights, this vote was the starting gun, not the finish line. Voting rights will be the very first matter of legislative business when the senate returns to session in september. So i hear democrats, especially senate democrats, talking a big game about protecting Voting Rights, defending free and fair elections. But if your caucus doesnt get rid of the filibuster, what can you really deliver . We know that you cannot get Voting Rights done without getting rid of the filibuster . Well, medhi, thats right. We have to change the rule. Its an antidemocratic, Small D, rule. Its an invention of the senate. And if the senate can change its rules to allow Budget Bills to pass by a Majority Vote, certainly we should be able to change the rules to allow Majority Vote to protect our democracy. After all, just back in 2017, republicans used the 51 votes and a Budget Resolution to give a big corporate tax break giveaway. What were saying to all our colleagues, trying to persuade all 50 senate democratic colleagues to focus on, how does it make sense to have a rule that allows the majority, which allows democracy to work on Budget Bills, which it should, but not to allow us to protect our democracy when you have these State Legislatures like those in texas and the legislator you just interviewed, you have those republicans trying to put up obstacles, trying to block people from access to the ballot box. And so youre absolutely right. We are going to need to muster the 50 votes to change, amend the filibuster, whether its a onetime change for the protection of democracy or what i would prefer is to get rid of the filibuster. But regardless, that kind of change has to go forward in order to make sure and make real the commitment to protect Voting Rights. So one of the people blocking that change is of course joe manchin, your colleague from West Virginia. Hes not just standing in the way of filibuster reform. He put out a Statement Today basically attacking the Budget Reconciliation Bill, the 3. 5 trillion price tag. He says its too big, its too inflationary. He also said adding trillions of dollars more to nearly 29 Trillion of national debt without any consideration of the negative effects on our children and grandchildren is one of those decisions that has become far too easy in washington. You are on the Budget Committee to help write this bill. What is your response to your democratic colleagues concerns, which many would say sound like rip concerns, about the debt . On the Debt Issue as weve said in the Budget Committee, we are going to pay for this investment, the 3 Trillion proposal. Were going to pay for it through tax reform. Were going to pay for it by closing down some of those huge corporate loopholes that allow corporations to park their profits overseas in places like the Cayman Islands rather than contributing to investment here in the United States. Were going to close loopholes that allow multi multimillionaires to pay zero income taxes, as We Saw recently. And i think thats going to be something that brings the democratic caucus together. The other thing i want to mention here, people talk about the 3. 5 trillion. Its important to recognize that as biden has laid out his proposal, over a trillion dollars of that is actually Tax Cuts to middle class families, right . It includes extending those payments, those monthly payments of up to 300 per child to families. So republicans who say theyre voting against it, theyre voting against Tax Cuts for middle class families. In fact, one of the biggest Tax Cuts for middle class families in american history. And so its important to recognize that this bill includes Tax Cuts for middle class families as well as investments in things like early education, as well as investments in making sure folks on medicare can get coverage for vision, dental and hearing service. If republicans want to say no to seniors on that, you know, they can vote that way. But i think our colleagues will at the end of the day come together on these issues. I hope youre right, both on budget reconciliation, but i hope youre more right about Voting Rights. Well have to leave it there. Senator Chris Van Hollen of maryland, thank you so much for your time tonight. I appreciate it. Good to be with you, thanks. Coming up, medical professionals harassed for trying to protect kids from covid. We know who you are. We know who you are. You can leave freely, but we can find you and we know who you are. We know who you are. 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A School Board Meeting in franklin, tennessee, Last Night showing antimask protesters screaming at medical professionals who had just spoken in favor of masks in schools. We know who you are. We know who you are. We know who you are. You can leave freely, but we will find you and we know who you are. You wont be allowed in public again. You will never be allowed in public again. We know who you are. Absolutely bonkers. Heres the thing. As with so many Culture War issues, liberals and democrats are running away from these fights when they should be leaning into them and winning them. Those screaming antimaskers are not the majority in this country. Just look at this new polling out today from Morning Skull and politico. 56 of registered voters say they support requiring vaccines for all americans except those with medical conditions. We know the vast majority of american adults support that. 71. 2 have had at least one shot. This new polling shows broad support for Mask Mandates too. 64 of registered voters say they support local governments requiring employees to wear masks in offices. 61 Support Masks for indoor dining. 62 support requiring masks at gyms. And 65 support requiring masks at entertainment venues. So these mandates are clearly a winning issue for democrats. A clear and big majority of the american people are on their side. Oh, and as for the other side, well, they are just drenched in hypocrisy. Take a listen to texas republican senator Ted Cruzs latest antimask mandate, antivaccine rant on Fox News earlier this week. My views were very simple. There should be no mandates, zero concerning covid. That means no Mask Mandates, regardless of your vaccination status. That means no Vaccine Mandates. That means no vaccine passports. And ive introduced legislation, a bill to ban vaccine passports. This week im introducing a bill to ban Vaccine Mandates. And this week im introducing a bill to end Mask Mandates. Just one small point, Ted Cruz. Your children attend an elite private school in houston, texas, at a cost of more than 25,000 a year, whereas the Blog Boing boing reports masks are required. The school views the use of Face Covering as an important way that we as a community can slow the spread of the virus and protect one another. Due to the current situation in our community, all persons on campus will be required to have a Face Covering. So according to Ted Cruz, there should be no Mask Mandates except, apparently, at his own kids very expensive school. No mandatory masks for your children in the classroom, but theyre fine for mine. Oh, hypocrisy, Ted Cruz be thy name. Coming up, another bad Faith Argument often made by republicans against Vaccine Mandates is that theyre antifreedom, antiliberty. But even staunch libertarian scholars are saying theyre in favor of such mandates. Ill talk to one of them right here next. 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Republican politicians like to pretend theyre sticking to libertarian values, as reasons to oppose just about every measure that could stem the spread of covid. But a lot of actual libertarian scholars say Vaccine Mandates are okay, theyre fine. You can have personal freedom for yourself, but not at the expense of others. A professor of law at George Mason University joins me now. Professor, thanks so much for coming on the show. Explain to our viewers why Vaccine Mandates are not Oppression Or Tyranny as some have claimed in recent days. Thank you for having me. I think they are a restriction on freedom, but theyre a very small one, with a very large payoff, not just for the person who gets vaccinated, but for other people who they come into contact with as well. That makes them different from other infringements on liberty like lockdowns, with little or no benefit except possibly to the individual themselves. I think vaccine are a special case, you get a smAll Infringement on freedom, you get the jab, but then you can move on with your life. On the other hand, theres a big payoff in terms of saving lives. Whereas other restrictions on liberty are more severe and very different. Youve done all the reading, youve done the intellectual heavy lifting. But a wonder for others if whether libertarianism is an excuse to Act Selfishly and pretend its about freedom and liberty. People of almost every ideology cite liberty when they think it will benefit them. But i dont think either they or other politicians on the right or left necessarily exemplify libertarianism. Rand paul does the schtick about libertarianism, but you have people like Ron Desantis blaming immigrants for the spread of covid, supporting the building of a wall. How does that fit with libertarianism . Very poorly. Libertarianism opposes restrictions on liberty, and there are few more severe restrictions than restrictions on immigration. Rand paul is a quoteunquote constitutional conservative. He is not a libertarian and doesnt claim to be. What is your position on Mask Mandates . We talked about Vaccine Mandates. You said the infringement is minor, and the payoff is big. The other big row, when we played a clip earlier in tennessee, people screaming about masks. They seem to have lost their minds on the right about putting a mask on their face for a few hours a day. Republican governors going out of their way to ban Mask Mandates. What is the libertarian position on Mask Mandates . I dont know if theres one single position on this, but my view is that theyre very different from Vaccine Mandates. Its potentially any time you go inside to an indoor public space, you get this pretty severe restriction, which is painful and annoying for many people, particularly those with glasses or a sensitive face and other conditions. It also inhibits communication, which studies say often comes from facial expressions. And the evidence that it helps Prevent Covid is much, much weaker than vaccines. So we have a much more severe imposition on liberty than vaccines. My view is, if you have the option of vaccination, which we do, and if necessary in some cases you can use vaccine main mandates, thats the option, rather than Mask Mandates, lockdowns, migration restrictions, and so on. Well, i mean, we can disagree on the masks. But im glad youre speaking out against Vaccine Mandates. Thank you, professor. Thats all for All In this wednesday night. The Rachel Maddow Show starts right now. Good evening. Thanks for joining us this hour. The Word Failure is never good news. 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