Month. Allowing for a potentially more serious variant to develop. A virus will not mutate unless you allow it to replicate. If you allow the virus to freely circulate, and not try and stop it, sooner or later there is a likelihood that you will get another variant that could, im not saying it will, that could be more problematic than the delta. That will impact not only the unvaccinated, that will impact the vaccinated. New Progress Today in the push for vaccinations that are now more americans who are fully vaccinated than those who are not. 50. 1 of the population have completed their doses. That number jumps to 61 among adults. And new Details Today for people who have recovered from covid, studies show a vaccine gives survivors a big immune boost, but if those who have recovered choose not to get vaccinated, theyre twice as likely to get reinfected. On the covid beat this hour, Gary Grumbach is in sturgis, South Dakota. Were seeing an uptick in other states but florida really is the new national epicenter. And we also know schools are going to be starting again in florida this week. Yeah, thats right. This is the epicenter here of the covid surge. At the same time, youre seeing cases more than double in states here around the country, and in just the last two weeks. While, yes, we have seen a rise in the Vaccination Rate around the country, particularly in these hot spots, we Cant Underscore enough that there are still more than 100 Million americans who have yet to get a shot who remain unvaccinated. When youre looking at the Delta Variant, it is six times more contagious when youre looking at that unvaccinated population, well, that has led to this very search. This weekend, covid cases hitting another grim high, as students from arizona to florida head back to school. The u. S. Now averaging more than 100,000 cases a day. Double what it was just two weeks ago. Thousands on saturday, waiting to be tested. Last couple of days havent been feeling well. Last night i had a 102. 7 fever. Baltimore announcing they will reimpose Mask Mandates on monday, requiring the vaccinated to mask indoors again. Florida is now recording more positive cases than at any other time during the pandemic. But governor Ron Desantis is threatening to cut funding from any School District that requires students to mask. Amy Mat Lock is just one parent concerned about unmasked classmates. If there is no Mask Mandate in the school, youre not necessarily going to send your kid back. I dont feel safe sending them back without a Mask Mandate. Hospitals across the south are increasingly overwhelmed. Houstons five pediatric wards out of bed space. Forcing 11monthold Ava Rivera to be airlifted, 1 50 miles away. My baby is not breathing, help me, please. They told me that there was no room in houston, no pediatric beds. Ava testing positive for covid. What was it like for you to watch your daughter be flown away. One of the most heart breaking things a mom would have to go through. It was really painful having to see her connected to all these machines and having to see her be airlifted away knowing i couldnt be with her. She needs me the most. Reporter now, her mom tells me the Little Ava is recovering here, but when you see the Delta Variant, were talking about a variant that is six times as contagious, and the reality that individuals, that kids under age of 12 dont have access to a vaccine yet, officials say medical officials say thats why were seeing this rise in cases among kids with a stronger more contagious variant, youre therefore going to have more sick kids and thats why there is concern as kipd skids enter classroom about the continued spread. We should note we expect the fda doesnt expect to be able to approve a safe vaccine for kids under 12 for at least several more months. We send our best to Little Ava and her family. Vaughn hillyard, Thank You so much. To Gary Grumbach in sturgis, South Dakota, covering the big Biker Rally there. We see a lot of people behind you. Hundreds of thousands descending for this multiday event. Do attendees there seem worried at all about the Delta Variant . Reporter i would say aware, yes, worried, no. Personal freedom is something i heard time and time again today when we have been talking to folks out here. And this whole rally is taken over sturgis. This is usually a sleepy town of 7,000 people. This week this tenday period, 700,000 people are expected and theyre in the stores and theyre in the restaurants, theyre Trading Patches with Each Other, enjoying seeing Each Other for first time because many of them only see Each Other here at the Sturgis Rally because thats the whole point, theyre from out of town, which means theyre going to be getting back on their bikes, getting back on planes. Theyre going to be heading off to wherever theyre from, possibly infebting their families and Community Members back there. Thats exactly what happened here last year when they had this rally with 400,000 people. The city of sturgis is doing things a little bit different this time to try to tamp that down in terms of the coronavirus case spread. What theyre doing is handing out free masks, hand sanitizer, giving away free Coronavirus Test kits and also making the one Shot Johnson Johnson vaccine available to anyone who wants so they can get vaccinated today. I did speak to two women here when was the first time attending the valley, life long dream of theirs, they were plain excited. I want to be as cautious as i can. But i think if youre going to attend this, you have to let go a little bit and know youre putting yourself in this vulnerable position. Yeah, i do care. It is a concern. But im here so reporter South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem is a big supporter of this event. Shell be riding in a Charity Event here this week. It is a big economic driver for state. 800 Million coming into the state and economic revenue because of this tenday festival. It is a real conversation between Public Health and economic health. Gary from sturgis, South Dakota, Thank You. Joining me right now is washington congresswoman kim slyer, democratic member of the house, Energy And Commerce and agricultural committee and also a pediatrician and i have to say anytime that i hear you and alex have conversations, i always learn something so it is a joy to get to ask you the questions this time. When you think of the city of sturgis where gary just was, what is your reaction overall . Here we are, taking a peek into a bar, nobody is really wearing masks, people are sharing drinks, whats your advice at this point . We all want to get out there and live our lives, but it feels like now is really the time to maybe start dialling it back a little. Well, the time to start dialling it back a little was a year and a half ago. When i see this, frankly it is horrifying. We know what prevents covid. We just saw this case in provincetown, massachusetts, where 95 of the population is vaccinated. When people when the people come from everywhere in the country this is the Super Spreader of Super Spreader events. And i worry for all the people there who are not vaccinated who had a much, much higher risk of getting very ill, hospitalized or dying, and i worry about the children in that town who really are subject to the choices that we adults make. You know, congresswoman, you say the time to dial back was a year and a half ago. This summer around July 4th we did declare victory from this virus. So what is the appetite like right now among your constituents to take a few steps back again. Well, nobodys appetite wants to go back to wearing masks. I think im just as annoyed as everybody else. But lets be really clear that we all need to be responsible. This is not about us and our own personal freedoms. I dont we dont i wont say i, im not a smoker, we dont smoke in front of other people, though it is a freedom, it impacts others. This is very similar, so, no, we dont want to go back to wearing masks. But because so many of our in our country have chosen to not get vaccinated, this Delta Variant has gotten a Foot Hold and is spreading like wildfire through the country. I want to talk to you about the effect also on kids. According to a new report in forbes, the number of children who are contracting coronavirus has increased five fold since the end of june. With an 84 jump in just the last week alone. Bloom Business Week has a Cover Story about how kids are getting sick. What is happening here. Is covid more of a serious threat to kids than we first thought. We heard vaughn saying it could take months to get the uaa. I heard that same timeline and find it very, very frustrating, especially with a vaccine that has been proven so safe and so effective and that we are talking about Emergency Use as the emergency escalates there should be more urgency with getting Fda Approval or eua for children. With regard to what puts them at risk, you know, the more people get this, the more we learn and the more we see hospitalized. And, again, children under 12, they dont even have an option of getting vaccinated. We dont know yet if this variant is more dangerous, there is some evidence that it is, though. So if you have a combination of and more dangerous, that is thats really it is worrisome for this pediatrician and should worry families, particularly those children under 12 who dont have the option of being vaccinated. Just like you mentioned, you know, were worried about our kids, schools are going back into session right now across the country. There is this big debate over Mask Mandates. I want it play for you something that Republican Congressman Madison Cawthorn said about school Mask Mandate during a School Board Meeting in north carolina. You have sacrificed the social, emotional and psychological development of our children on the altar of wokeness, forcing our children to wear masks is nothing short of psychological child abuse, period. What is your response to that, and like that mother that vaughn interviewed, would you feel comfortable sending your patients, your kids to school with other unmasked children . First of all, let me just say that what he said was absolutely absurd. Hes not following the science and putting people in his district and across the country who are listening to him at high risk. We know that masks work. We know we need to protect our children. Yes, there should be in Classroom Mandates for mask wearing, but lets also be clear that when you have a variant that is this contagious, the plain old Cloth Mask is unlikely to really be sufficient. That for those who can fit in kn 95 masks and have access to those, thats what they should be wearing. For younger children, they should be wearing a surgical mask under a Cloth Mask. And i just have to say, i know this say long answer, but with regard to the social emotional health of children, Madison Cawthorn, though closer to a Childs Age than i am, really does not have any perspective on this. The reality is that kids need to be in school. What is damaging to their psyche, to their social emotional development is not being able to be around children because schools are closed. The masks are not a problem. I could pull my 12yearold in the other room here who would tell you thats ridiculous. Just a piece of cloth. In this case, a surgical mask plus a piece of cloth. No. We need to keep children in schools, keep them in there safely. We know how to do it. How about we get your 12yearold on next weekend. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Big new revelations about the former president and his push to overturn the election. It involves fresh testimony heard by senators this weekend on Capitol Hill. On Capitol Hill. Millions of vulnerable americans struggle to get reliable transportation to their medical appointments. Thats why i started medhaul. Citi launched the Impact Fund to invest in both women and entrepreneurs of color like me, so i can realize my vision and give everything ive got to my company, and my community. I got you. For the love of people. For the love of community. For the love of progress. Citi. Ive never slept like this before. We gave New Zzzquil pure zzzs Restorative Herbal Sleep to people who were tired of being tired. What is even in this . 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Senator durbin also teasing testimony from another key witness, coming up this week. Voluntary cooperation of people like Jeffrey Rosen and Richard Donohue is invaluable. There is another meeting coming up this week, another interview. Were going to keep pushing forward on this. Ive been than since january. Now were getting real results. Also happening on The Hill, the senate is back in session today, hoping to push that bipartisan Infrastructure Bill across the finish line. This morning, one Gop Senator says hell be voting no, not because of the contents of the bill, but what it means for the democrats 3. 5 Trillion Reconciliation Plan on human infrastructure. Pelosi has said all along she will not allow this bill to go through the house unless they get their 5. 5 Trillion reckless Tax Spending Bill done at the same time. If you need help getting this done, youre helping to get the 5. 5 Trillion bill done. New reaction from Congresswoman Cori Bush as the latest Eviction Moratorium faces an Uphill Battle in the courts. We have to do the work now to get this money out. We have to do the work to make sure that our states and our local governments are able to release this money, get this money out into the hands of the people who need it the most. All right, lets go right to nbcs Ali Vitali on Capitol Hill. Lets talk about that first headline that we broke down for everybody. How significant is the fact that the former acting ags testimony here, yesterday, because we heard about it from Senator Durbin, how significant is this . Significant and were likely to learn more as these kinds of testimonies continue because his testimony as well as that of his deputy Richard Donohue, they were both voluntary testimonies, went on for seven hours, but it is all part of the larger investigation into what the former president did and if he tried to use the Department Of Justice to try to overturn and undermine the results of the 2020 president ial election that he lost. Listen to more from Senator Durbin just this morning. What was the most shocking to you . Just how directly personally involved the president was, the pressure he was putting on Jeffrey Rosen. It was real. Very real. And it was very specific. This president is not subtle when he wants something. Former president. Hes not subtle when he wants something. And i think it is a good thing for america that we had a person like rosen in that position. Who stood withstood the pressure. Reporter and another senator who was in those interviews talked to reporters about their content. He said he was struck by how close the country came to total catastrophe. So i know we always live in a haze of headlines here on Capitol Hill, in broader washington and in the political world, but more and more information continues to come out about former President Donald Trump and those last weeks between when he lost the election and when he actually left office. It is a continuation when you see these kinds of testimonies continuing to happen here on Capitol Hill. The former president also out on the Campaign Trail continuing to push his own lies about what happened in that election. But, of course, it is a reminder that even as they go through the process on president Bidens List of policy priorities, theyre also still really contending with the events of the past and what the former president and his team did, certainly trump gone from washington, but very much still at the forefront as lawmakers try to get to the bottom of what went on in the ways in which he interacted with his agencies and the Department Of Justice and then also, of course, in regards to the January 6th insurrection. We mentioned rosen meeting and also donahue, the Doj Official who was taking handwritten notes during a call with trump, he allegedly said say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me. Thanks so much. Were going to also learn more this afternoon because ahead at 2 00 p. M. Eastern Judiciary Committee member also in the Room Senator Richard Blumenthal will join my Colleague Morgan Radford with what he learned about trumps role. Joining me now to dive further into this is Elena Trene for axios. I want to get your reaction to what were hearing from Senator Durbin. What is your big takeaway about what were learning from the testimony in. One, just learning through again seven plus hours of testimony how close the former president was to all of this. And i think the big thing that theyre still trying to piece together is motivation. The senate recently put together a report looking at the failure and breakdowns and systems that led to the attack on the capital on January 6th. What it didnt get into is the motivations and particularly whether the former president was intimately involved in some of the things that were happening behind the scenes that led to the attack. Thats something the January 6th committee is committed to trying to find out. I think testimony from someone like Jeffrey Rosen, Senator Dick Durbin said he wants to hear from Jeffrey Clark, he was the one who was heading this division at the Justice Department under the former president , and he was also very closely tied to this, rosen testified during those meetings that clark had essentially pushed other people within the administration to continue to publicly assert and try to undermine the election, thats what sources familiar with the testimony tell us. And thats huge. And so durbin said he wants to hear from Jeffrey Clark and others like this, and i think we can expect the January 6th committee to also intimately get involved and to interviewing some of these former officials and potentially even subpoena a lot of former Trump Administration and trump Justice Department officials to learn more about this. And clark said all of his communications have followed the letter of the law. But what do we know about Rosens Role here. When it comes to trumps efforts to undermine the election, do we know that rosen was a stalwart for saying, look, there was no fraud, not enough to declare the election legitimate or do we know about any involvement behind the scenes in which he might have been also cooperating in this plot . I think there is a lot that still needs to come out. From what we heard so far from the people who were in the Room Yesterday interviewing rosen, again, democrats like Dick Durbin and Richard Blumenthal, they see them and they have been describing his efforts as really being a stalwart and standing up to the former president , so much so that he potentially could have been fired. He wasnt. But that is a lot of what were hearing happen leaked out of the seven plus hours of testimony yesterday. And Dick Durbin saying he was grateful to have someone like Jeffrey Rosen there when this is happening. And just all of this testimony reminds me, when the former president is still in office, and going through and asserting that the election is fraudulent, and the results are fraudulent, i would talk with his top campaign officials, people close to him, who personally didnt think that it was true or that this was a losing battle to continue pushing these claims that the former president had actually won and it wasnt Joe Biden who had won, which is false. But a lot of people not believing it, but letting him go along with it. These are the types of things that were going to continue to hear from people who were so intimately involved in behind the scenes and speaking with the former president as this played out. Certainly, all right. Thank you so much for joining us on the late breaking details. We appreciate it. Still to come, Governor Andrew Cuomos Accuser who filed a criminal complaint speaks out publicly for the first time. Well hear what some of what she said next. Time. 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The 11 women, what they have said and the allegations they have made are qualitatively different. There are two or three allegations that are the serious allegations. I would find it very difficult to believe that the assembly of the state of New York would impeach Governor Cuomo for kissing a woman at a wedding he officiated in front of dozens of people and staffers. Kathy park joins us now from albany. What can we expect tomorrow at the Judiciary Hearing and also were hearing for the first from the woman who filed that criminal complaint. Good afternoon to you. So i will begin with what we can expect to see tomorrow, so here in albany, the Judiciary Committee is expected to come together to discuss the next steps as far as the Impeachment Proceedings go against Andrew Cuomo and it is something that could take several weeks for them to draft these articles of impeachment and they will be looking at several things, everything from the Sexual Harassment allegations to the alleged misuse of State Resources to write that book which made him millions and also the alleged mishandling of Nursing Home deaths. They will be looking at all of this moving forward, so in addition to the political fallout as you mentioned, the legal crisis appears to be deepening for Governor Cuomo as well. Just a few minutes ago, Cbs News just released a snippet of an interview with one of the women who is accusing the governor of wrongdoing. She selfidentified as one of the women named in that explosive Ag Report. Take a listen. Why did you file that criminal complaint with the Sheriffs Office . It was the right thing to do the governor needs to be held accountable. Just so im clear, again, being held accountable to you means seeing the governor charged with a crime . What he did to me was a crime. He broke the law. Reporter now, keep in mind this Sound Bite just came through just a few moments ago and we have reached out to her attorney, the Accusers Attorney as well as Governor Cuomos attorney, still waiting to hear back from both of them, but Governor Cuomo has kept a relatively low profile ever since he released that prerecorded message, several days ago, in response to that Ag Report that came out, and, you know, we know for now he is in the albany Area Yesterday, there were images of him that surfaced, he was on his phone outside of the executive Mansion And Yesterday his attorney had alluded to the fact that Governor Cuomo will want to address some of these allegations personally in the near future. Lindsey . Kathy park, thanks for that report. We want to bring in ron king, chair of the Aging Committee and was one of the first people to flag the handling of Nursing Homes in the pandemic. Thank you for joining us here. Your colleagues on the assembly Judiciary Committee are meeting tomorrow to discuss all of this. What do you expect will come out of that . I think we will try to move expeditiously on the impeachment process. My colleague in the Judiciary Committee as well as in the assembly want to get this over with. We have an abundance of evidence that the governor broke federal and state laws and most of us feel very strongly that we have now an ethical and legal duty to remove him for position of power so we can fully hold him accountable. What would the timeline on that look like . I think it would range at this point. It is hard to speculate. But anywhere between a few weeks to a couple of months, but none of us want to drag this out. We have work to do to protect the people of New York. It has become a colossal distraction for the state of New York, and if we want to get back to work in protecting the people. As soon as a couple of weeks, wow. You said before the governor should be held accountable. But also hes obviously entitled to due process. What does this look like right now . How do you think things are shaking out, both in terms of being fair to the accusers and fair to the governor . Well, the governor asked the investigative report, but the Attorney General which is what she did with the utmost Integrity And Respect for the due process. The 160 plus Page Report by independent investigators have clearly shown there is a pattern of abusive behavior and the governor has really violated state and federal laws. Now it is up to us to hold him accountable. He talked to me about the other elements of the Impeachment Inquiry as well. Including something youre very passionate about in the handling of Nursing Homes, but also the Governors Pandemic Memoir and also the bridge named for his father. What about those might be impeachment issue . My colleagues are discussing whether we should be including all that and i think whether we include it or not, we must hold them accountable for those failed decisions. His decision to send 9,000 covid positive patients while handing out get out of jail cards to his top as he chased down 5. 1 million Book Deal while lying to the public about Death Numbers is a public fraud and crime we should be holding him accountable moving forward. Ron kim, we hope you will continue to join us as this process plays out. Thank you for your time today. Thank you so much. Former President Donald Trump sounding off this weekend about how the current administration is handling coronavirus. All while florida governor Ron Desantis is maintaining his ban on Mask And Vaccine mandates. 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Lawmakers confirming this morning Jeffrey Rosen testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee for seven hours yesterday. It comes as former Ag Eric Holder is speaking out on this weeks developments and for the first time referring to trumps actions cure during the end of his tenure as an attempted coup. What were seeing here was in essence a coup attempt, an attempt by people at the White House to try to get the Justice Department to be the foundation for that coup. By having the Justice Department say, with no basis in fact, that there was Election Irregularity in some critical states and then use that at the way in which you would delay. Joining me right now is susan dell percio, republican Strategist And Msnbc political analyst, david jolly, former congressman from florida and Msnbc Political Contributor and don callaway, democratic Strategist And Founder of the national Voter Protection Action fund. As a lawyer yourself, the Former Ag using the words coup. Not something to take lightly. What do you make of it . Hes absolutely right. Listen, we have 250 years of an experiment in administration and experiment in checks and balances and frankly thats the only thing that saved this country from barrelling into some state of chaos on January 6th and beyond as we tried to figure out what as we tried to convince the president he didnt actually win this election. I spend a lot of time in haiti and thinking about the business and politics of that country and we all watched what happened there in the last month with the assassination of the president and that administration essentially devolving into chaos, thinking who is responsible. People need to know were not too far from that. The Rule Of Law does not prevail. If congress does not do its job in certifying this election and if we dont properly prosecute the people, all of the people who participating in allowing the president to move forward with the coup, we dont have ourselves in too much of a different position than the countries who we have decreed as savage and unrulable over the years. Were not too far and thats why Eric Holder is absolutely right for calling this out for what it is, and rosen and people like him are correct in having resisted when they had the Opportunity Being in house. David, your reaction to the nows that david rosen, when it comes to learning about trumps efforts to undermine the election. I think it affirms indeed what holder said and what don said that this was an attempted coup and my mind goes to the Senate Republicans that voted to acquit. Because the reality is this is an ongoing threat to the united states. This is a former president who very well may run again and may get elected again. He certainly holds the command of a large part of the country. Senate republicans had an opportunity to forbid him from ever holding federal office again. They failed to. And so anytime we look at the misdoings, wrongdoings of President Trump we have to look at those who protected him along the way. That includes every republican on Capitol Hill today. Senator Richard Blumenthal told The Hill he was, quote, struck by how close the country came to total catastrophe. Adding there were highly significant leads that the panel should pursue. Susan what are the potential legal implications for trump . Well, im not an attorney, so i think that we have to look at whatever the doj comes out with, it should be a process that everyone can follow that they line up everything properly. One other thing that i think is so important to keep in consideration is that we also must show why this didnt happen. And that we can trust our elections process. And that we can trust it in 2022 and 2024 because we do have the right things in place to stop it. Sometimes it is the right people. Sometimes it is the paper ballots. But we must let the public know you can have faith in our electoral system. I want to switch gears here and talk about the other big story were following today, coronavirus. And there is a new Opinion Piece on msnbc. Com that says florida Governor Desantis is more dangerous than Donald Trump because of his stance on masking in schools, saying that floridas kids are less safe because Governor Desantis wants to be president some day. Desantis claimed the real Reason Covid19 Case numbers are climbing in the u. S. Is that migrants crossing the border are bringing the virus with them. Fact checkers have noted this is false, the Covid19 Spike is occurring in states with the lowest Vaccination Rates. Many of them far from the southern border, but trump 2. 0 doesnt care about facts, it is all about the fear. David, your state is florida, youre in the national epicenter right now. Do you think that desantis is using this tactic for political gain knowing that it could put his own constituents in danger. He certainly has an eye towards that, and, look, lindsey, lets just call out, desantis is not the only one. This narrative of blaming the Covid Outbreak on immigrants coming across the border is Racist Xenophobia. Ron desantis is engaging in Racist Xenophobia when he tries to blame migrants in his state in which he continues to stand in the way of Public Health mandates, of mask wearing where he overrides local control by School Boards to determine what is in the best interests and Health And Safety of the children in their district. This is a pure political play. My fear is, and im speaking on part for my family, but also i guess with a bit of counsel, i think we lost the War On Covid, lindsey. I think this notion that were going to convince the unvaccinated to become vaccinated, i dont believe there is any persuadable left. Any persuadable left among the unvaccinated are among hospital be beds. If you drive through florida, this now is a cause of freedom, and it is a cause of freedom because Ron Desantis and leading republicans framed it as freedom and they can never pivot off of that because their political careers will be over. So they have pitted this motion of personal freedom against Public Health. This war will never be won between those two camps, which is why our War On Covid is done. Our question is what does that mean for the public Health Forecast of the united states . What does that mean for the economy. What does that mean for hour we keep our families safe and i think we need to begin to focus on that. What does public Health Safety Look like for the vaccinated going forward rather than toil and spin our wheels trying to convince unpersuadable people to finally get the vaccination. Do you think that personal Freedom Messaging and rhetoric will come back to bite him in terms of his political ambitions . Look if his constituents are getting sick, i mean, i spoke to former Cdc Director Tom Frieden this morning, he said we could be up to 200,000 cases a day by september. Do you think that in the end maybe it is constituents will say you didnt handle it properly . Unfortunately there will probably be very little political blowback either in florida or nationally because he is stepping into the footprint of the Donald Trump electorate who are either telling people to not get vaccinated, telling people covid is not real or saying some other foolishness about why not to take this global pandemic seriously. The people that are that would tend to vote against him because of the vaccination probably were already going to vote against him so the problem is that he can probably do this with very, very little political blowback because his sitting electoral base was the confederacy anyway. It is sunday, there is always a word. If you continue, you will reap and do harvest. I bungled that, but galatian 3 69, thats that it says. We have to get out the message of why people should get vaccinated because it is the right thing to do and can still save lives. Well, susan, don says that desantis is stepping into the shoes of Donald Trump, but Donald Trump hasnt gone anywhere. He was on Fox News last night, blaming the current administrations handling of the pandemic. He was saying, you know, look, the vaccine is great. I helped develop it under my tenure. But the fact of the matter is again he was spouting the personal freedom message. Do you think he would be more effective in saying, look, i got it, it is safe, im fine . That would be the ideal, just to say get the vaccination. He was spewing just misinformation yet again, even about how children do not get covid. Now we know that the variant, the new variant, Delta Variant is something children are more open to getting. Just to go back to point, id like to raise one thing that david didnt bring up is we have Snow Birds returning to florida come september and october. That will pressure because that tends to be the wealthier people that will pressure de santis, if they cant get care from their doctor because hospitals are filled up, that will become problematic for him politically. All right. We have to leave it there. So good to talk to all three of you. Californias dixie wildfire became the second largest in history. Its staking a staggering toll. Firefighters are hoping for help in the fire thats beyond their control. Thats next. Ire thats beyond t control. 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