Seem to be inspiring more people to get the vaccine. The daily number of first doses has doubled since the start of july. Republicans have turned and said to their favorite scapegoats, immigrants. Joe biden has taken to himself to try to single out florida over covid. This is a Guy Who Ran for president , saying he was going to, quote, Shut Down the virus, and what has he done, hes imported more virus from Around The World by having a wideopen southern border. As the biden administration is allowing people to come across the southern border, many of whom who have covid, most of whom are not really being checked for covid. Those who do have covid, some have been released into our cities. And americans all over this country. Ought to be damned angry whats happening to their country. Total invasion. People are going to die because of people coming in illegally with covid, with the Fentanyl Drugs that are crossing the border. Joining me now to get into all of that foolishness this morning is dr. Chris purrnell, and an early participant in the moderna vaccine trial, and katie fang, and cohost of money court, premiering on cnbc this wednesday. Congressman, i want to start with you, because you know, i hear those words and im so grossly offended by that awful, hateful rhetoric. And as someone who yourself was undocumented, and made records when you were elected to congress, and youre also outfront on this vaccine mandate issue, im just curious your thoughts on what we just heard. This is a tired, archaic playbook that Department Work for them during the past elections. Donald trump spent four Years Scapegoating immigrants, and now we see how the florida governor, as people die on his doorstep, is trying to blame immigrants for it. This is i agree with joe biden. This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. This is surely a pandemic that continues to be prolonged, because people have mass vaccinated themselves, and because of the policies put in place by republican governors. One third of the cases are coming from florida and texas. A tenth of the cases are coming from the state of florida. Right. And we didnt hear a blip about the maga crowd, who is also, you know, dancing in these Conspiracy Theories about the vaccine. So dr. Purrnell, im curious, because as a public health official, these Vaccine Mandates are controversial among some groups. You know, people dont like the government mandating things. However, look at what happened in the nfl. When they say, hey, you want to play in this league, you have to get vaccinated. And now, 90 of the players are vaccinated, according to them. Whats at risk, if more people do not get vaccinated . And where do you stand on the Vaccine Mandates . The more people who dont get vaccinated, the longer the pandemic continues. Remember, the virus is looking for a susceptible host. Vaccination is our most powerful tool against the virus. As long as we have unvaccinated people, the virus can mutate. And while this Delta Variant is very concerning and rightfully so, the potential for other variants to emerge will still be there. I fully support Vaccine Mandates. We live by a social covenant. We live by a social contract. We talk a lot about individualism in the united states of america. We need to talk more about collectivism. No one is safe unless All Of Us are safe. The unvaccinated pose a threat to All Of Us. One of the things that comes up in conversation a lot is the constitutionality about all of this. A friend of the show and a friend of mine had a great piece in the nation this week where he says that Vaccines Vaccine mandates are, in fact, constitutional. And he goes into the point saying that for the public and even private institutions and business, wear masks before entering establishments, Thats Something that can happen. But from your legal perspective, where do you stand on the Vaccine Mandates . I am vaxed, we laxed, and i still wear a mask. And i think thats what everybody should be doing right now. From a legal perspective, as youve seen, there have been legal challenges. But they have yet to be sustained by the people that are complaining about having to be vaccinated. But more specifically, were seeing legal challenges that are arising in court, dealing with things like the executive order, that governor Ron Desantis just passed into law recently, in terms of whether or not kids going back to school in just a couple of weeks are required to wear masks. There are two lawsuits that were just filed in the last 24 hours, wherein parents of children are alleging that if you force my kid to go back to Inperson Learning but dont require the mask to be worn in the classroom, thats a violation of the americans with disabilities act. That is also a violation of the florida constitution, which allows for a safe and secure public school. Now, also interestingly, florida in a complete waste of money, its board of education just voted within the last day to allow for Private School Vouchers that are kids that are complaining that theyre being bullied because they are required to wear masks. Well, heres the thing, tiffany. Most, if not all of the private schools here in florida require the wearing of masks for Inperson Learning in the classroom. So were seeing that there is, as the great doctor as just told us, a Militarying Move towards protecting the collective great. The collective good of everyone. There is no downside to requiring that masks be worn, private businesses are allowed to do what they need to do. And as of this moment right now, there has been no sustained challenge in court in terms of the requirement of wearing a mask at minimum. No legal downside and no downside to our health. Its baffling to see people reject basic Health Safety measures. I want you to take a listen to jen psaki. Florida is not the only state. Seven states have a probation on School Districts from requiring masks in schools. And some states have even banned businesses and universities from requiring workers and students to be vaccinated. This is a very scary space were in. Ive said this before. Its not necessarily the virus thats killing us, its ignorance. So im curious, since youre a part of the federal government, what is the role for the federal government to play in this debate that shouldnt even really be a debate . Well, the cdc has established that we should wear masks. In new york city, the mayor has come out for mandatory screening of Vaccine Cards or a 72hour negative test, covid test. So this is practical measures. I agree with the doctor. There are far too many breakthrough cases, so people that are not vaccinated are prolonging this pandemic. We are feeding the virus when we dont vaccinated or wear a mask. These are particularly, with the children going back now in september, how could we not think of making sure that our kids are protected, that they all have to wear a mask in school. Certainly, this is a very practical and in my opinion, a lifesaving measure. So the federal government at some point will have to step in. We have four stringent policies that will protect everyone, particularly those people that have already been vaccinateded themselves and dont want to have a breakthrough episode. As we see happening all over the country. Dr. Purrnell,tive same question for you and katie. Ill start you. Heres my thing. I dont trust all of these vaccination cards. People are manipulating them and showing them saying, oh, yeah, im vaccinated. Then you find out, nope, that was fake. How do we get in front of that . And i do understand the hesitation about people saying, i dont want the government having access to, you know, some Bar Code that, you know, has access to my health information. But i dont trust everybody like that. And i think a lot of people feel that same sentiment. Whats your take . Tiffany, unfortunately, right now, Fear And Ignorance are running amok. And Fear And Ignorance are trying to take on science. And so we need to enact and carry out those basic Public Health Guidelines and measures that are going to keep All Of Us, most of us, the most vulnerable of us safe. Thats the health equity approach. So having people wear a mask indoors, having people encouraged to get vaccinated. Having people to show proof of vaccination, once again, these are measures or policies that will keep us all safe. As long as we have elected officials and politicians who have no degrees in science, i would like to point out, no battleground in public health, making outlandish, making racist, making xenophobeick, white extremist statements, All Of Us are threatened. The health of the entire nation are threatened. So all tools out of the Tool Kit Need to be on the table in order for us to beat back this pandemic. Katie, dr. Purrnell raises a good point. I dont want to get Shut Down again. Ive been having this debate with my teen for the past couple of weeks. Some people feel like money makes the world go around. People will get comfortable with losing thousands of lives every day before they will get comfortable with losing billions of dollars every day. If we dont enforce this mandate, it looks like were headed for another shutdown. What are your thoughts on that and the fake Vaccine Cards . Listen. If you had to sit there and fundamentally weigh a Human Life against the almighty dollar, youre right, some people are going to choose the dollar over the life. But most of those people are coming from a place of privilege, right . Most of those people are probably vaccinated. You and i both know that governor Ron Desantis is vaccinated. And im not advocating the death of anyone, but i certainly dont think that Ron Desantis would go have his kids amidst adults that are you could with the Delta Variant with over 2,000 cases in last hour line. I have to have a Drivers License to drive a car. Theres a database thats maintained that proves that i have a Drivers License. The same idea is made about gun owners. Well, Guess What, this thing is a killing machine. Covid is a killing machine, just like car. Youve got to have a Drivers License to operate one. Maybe you need to be able to prove that you have a vaccination and a legit vaccination card. And you make a really good point about these people. They are vaccinated while spewing this nonsense. For the folks that align with them, theyre making a fool out of you for political points. Thank you for making that point. Dr. Chris purrnell, our favorite doctor, and katie, of course. And up next, the Eviction Ban has been extended through october 3rd, but what happens then . Well discuss that after the break. Ns then well discuss that after the break. Instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. We can create new ways to connect. Rethinking how we communicate to be more inclusive than ever. With app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change. Faster. Vmware. Welcome change. Welco ange. Hey google, turn up the heat. With relapsing forms of ms. Theres a lot to deal with. Not just unpredictable relapses. 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I Cant Guarantee that the Court Wont Rule that we dont have that authority. But at least well have the ability, if we have the appeal, to keep this going for a while. At least, i hope long enough. So this leads us to the Supreme Court. Now,wide biden seems to be relying on the humanity of the nations highest court. But the question is, does the court even have the humanity. Asking for millions of people facing homelessness. Joining me now is andre perry, author of know your price, and diane yentil, President And Ceo of the national housing coalition. Diana, i want to start with you, because understand the fear of not being table to pay your rent and the fear of facing this deadline. I want you to paint the picture for us. What happens as we keep kicking this can down the road. What happens in october when this moratorium expires again . Joe biden extending the Eviction Moratorium really threw a lifeline to about 6. 5 million renter families who remain behind on rent, having fallen behind during the pandemic and are at heightened risk of eviction when the moratorium expires. So this extension of the moratorium provides more time for states and cities to get the Emergency Rental Assistance out to the tenants and landlords who need it, to keep tenants stably housed. There are sufficient resources to cover all of the arrears that renters crewaccrued during the pandemic, but the money is getting out much too slowly. So now states and localities have to do more and better and faster to get this money to tenants. Two months may not be enough time and we may not even have two months if the courts strike the Eviction Moratorium down before then. So you talk about the money getting out way too slowly. And thats a really good point, even the old moratorium left some people struggling. In states identifying the individual who is need this money has been caught up in the bureaucracy, while people struggle. Andre, how can this process be improved for people who are literally facing homelessness, within a matter of days, weeks, or months . Well, theres really no shortterm solution to this crisis. The housing authorities simply were not built to distribute these funds in this way. Theyve created an enormous bureaucracy around this particular set of funds for pandemic assistance. So theyre going to have to create an infrastructure to distribute funds. And its simply not there. And so, i do think that these next few months, youll see legal challenges to the ruling or to the cdc upholding or extending this moratorium. I also think that it looks bleak that the extension will hold up. And so were really looking at a severe crisis. I do believe that because of the Delta Variant, many landlords and also legal authorities will not allow the mass evictions, but were going to see a Slow Burn after two months are already people were being evicted and youre just going to see more and more people. But unfortunately, theres just not an infrastructure. Ly i will say this. That eventually we do need a federal registry of some sort for landlords and tenants. Because what the problem is, that they Cant Figure out whos an actual landlord, whos an actual tenant, do they qualify . And thats a problem. Right. Thats a huge problem. Ann, a lot of these local and State Governments dont even have the staffing to handle this kind of incoming, which is why the existing funds have not been distributed. However, you said something that you dont think that the infrastructure around this is going to allow people to slip into homelessness. I want to push back on that a little bit. Because congress right now does not appear to have the votes to pass a new moratorium, which is why were relying on the courts. But Housing And Industry Real Estate groups spent more than 100 Million on lobbying congress to stop them from extending the covid19 Eviction Moratorium. And the list youre seeing, thats a partial list. There have been more people lobbying congress. Diane, do you think this will have an impact on how members of Congress Vote . Well, i think that these same groups, the national association of realtors, the home builders, the apartment associations, they have been pouring resources into lawsuits for almost a year now, attempting to overturn federal, state, and local Eviction Moratoriums to very little effect. You know, thefbl fighting to allow landlords to have the right to evict struggling renters during a deadly and global pandemic. And despite the money that theyve poured in and despite the power that these Industry Groups have, they have until now failed at their goal of striking down the Eviction Moratoriums. Now, the cases that they have brought before courts are the ones that have reached the Supreme Court and that is why the current Eviction Moratorium is on such shaky legal ground. And again, the need to get that Emergency Rental Assistance out, if these same Trade Organizations spent just a fraction of that same effort on educating their members about the availability of Emergency Rental Assistance and encouraging them to take the money, to pay the rent arrears, we would be mush further ahead in solving this crisis that we face. Absolutely. And we have to give it up again to Congresswoman Cori Bush who fanies herself an activist and says now that an activist is in congress, things will look different. Thank you so much. I have a Feeling Youll both be back to talk about this subject a few more times. 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Now, meanwhile, the Justice Department is investigating alleged abuses by phoenix police, while a new York County wants to allow cops to sue protesters who, quote, seriously annoy them. Joining me now to get into this, i could think of No One better, Brittany Peck nick cunningham, an msnbc contributor. Brittany, so happy to have you on the hoe. You look so relaxed. Happy to have you here. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I feel relaxed. But i feel angry, as well. I mean, this situation in your neck of the woods, missouri, im so utterly offended. Lets just say, hypothetically, that a black couple was waving their firearms at a crowd of maga protesters who were simply walking past their house. How do you think Governor Parson would respond to that . We know exactly how Governor Parson would respond to that. Those folks would be arrested, tried, convicted, and would still currently be in jail. This is par for the course for this former Slave State that also happens to be my home state. This is the same state that has refused Mask Mandates and lockdowns, and is one of the leading causes for the spread of this second wave of covid19. This is also the same state where the Attorney General picks fights with our beloved mayor in my hometown of st. Louis, all because she actually wants to protect people from getting sick. Its the place where White Male Chauvonism runs completely unchecked. Even the prosecutors say mr. Strictland should be released because hes innocent. We used to say this about elections, but i think it goes for this, so goes missouri, so goes the nation. This country and certainly the state of missouri will stop at nothing to secure what it thinks belongs to them. Thats the land, thats all of the property. And thats black labor and black bodies that it will continue to steal and lock up. I want to get into this Kevin Strictland Story a bit. I want you to take a listen to his interview with a reporter that is both outrageous and heartbreaking at the same time. Well talk about it on the other side. How do you start over your life at 62 . You know, i i kind of jokingly talked about that recently with a friend of mine. I guess ill get me a Cardboard Box and get up under a bridge somewhere. Is that really, thats how youre going to start . I mean, what do i have . I mean i mean, if they were to tell me to roll out now, theyd take this chair. I would have to crawl out the front door. I have nothing. That was Lindsay Davis with abc news. Brittany, this is so its just heartbreaking. Its heartbreaking. And you can imagine the anger, the sheer understandable righteous anger that people who look like us feel. Is this criminal Justice Something that can be reformed . You sat on president Obamas Counsel for something like this. Whats the solution here . Im exhausted with marches, protests. Im ready for action yesterday. You know, im going to be honest, i stopped calling this the criminal Justice System a long time ago, because very clearly, theres no justice in it. If you watch that interview and your blood is not boiling, you actually need to check your moral center. What we just saw is infuriating. And this is not by happen stance. This is an intentional message that is supposed to be sent to the rest of us, that this country, that this state, that its institutions do not care about the innocence of black people. All they care about is ensuring that we stay in our place, that were there to be used for their labor, and were there to be able to have them raise their money off of our backs. I agree with you, tiffany. It is high time for action. The governor should have already pardoned mr. Strictland. And lets be clear, there are lots of other folks who have been criminalized for things that should not have been criminalized, that are incarcerated like him. And thats the whole point. Kevin strictlands story, sadly, is not unique. I want you to take a listen to Something Mark Mccloskey said, which is equally outrageous and sparks a lot of ire. It seems as if the democrats no longer view the Governments Job as protecting honest citizens from criminals, but rather protecting criminals from honest citizens. Theyre not satisfied with spreading the Chaos And Violence into our communities. They want to abolish the suburbs altogether. So make no mistake, no matter where you live, your family will not be safe in the radical democrats america. Brittany, if i could swear on tv, i would have two very choice words for that entire segment, that couple. Hearing that, how can we convey to people, who may not have ever experienced the disparities in the criminal Justice System, how cowe convey that there are two Justice Systems in this country, and its going to take the work of everybody to right these increasingly past wrongs that we continue to see . You know what i really think is critically important to convey . It is the fact that this inequitable Justice System, this inequitable legal system exists is actually hurtful to All Of Us. Now, i know looking at the mccloskeys, it doesnt actually appear to look that way. And these are folks who are pulling on a very old tried and true script to try to scare White America Into Fighting for what they rightfully believe is there. This is an attachment to a culture of white supremacisted that lead them to believe that anyone fighting just for equity, just for fairness, just for a fair Opportunity And Shot is actually to be seen as a threat to that supremacy. And Guess What . We are a threat to that supremacy. Because we want to make sure that we are living in a world and a space that is equitable to All Of Us. Im not a threat to white people, but i damned sure is a threat to White Supremacy and i have no problem with that. 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Hotels, restaurants, and resorts have long used indigenous names and imagery for the profit of their white owners. But thats starting to change this year. A proposed resort that would have offered visitors tepees to sleep in was rejected after tribes objected. Joining me now is crystal ecklehawk, Executive Director of illuminative. Listening to those Sound Bites from people, you know, the guy who said, i just like to keep things the way that they are. Ill be blunt. I dont really care what you like, youre not a member of the community. And how dare you that you want this community to suffer for your cultural appropriation. I wonder about people who have that same outlook. Its great to see you. Its great to be back. Unfortunately, folks like the gentlemen that you just got that Sound Bite from him, there are folks like that out there, but i was encouraged by the three to four people that came before him they were like, why do we want to be a part of celebrating something that causes harm to children and to another community . I think you can start to see that were seeing it with the polling or from that sampling of cleveland fans right there that people are really starting to understand this reckoning and that change is good. Change is good because this is no longer causing harm and there is something positive for them to embrace going forward. And we are seeing change, to your point. Airbnb apologized for an ad featuring a True Sioux experience. In colorado, the governor created a Task Force to get rid of a Mountain Name for Kit Carson who led that 300 must have mile long walk of the navajo in which hundreds died. Theres another mountain honoring governor John Evans who authorized citizens to go out and essentially kill native americans. So im curious, what is your expectation of Interior Secretary Deb holland, the first native american woman to hold such position. What are you expecting to see from her. What responsibility does the federal government have in addressing this . The federal government has a huge responsibility. First and foremost, lets name it, the federal government is the one that really committed these acts of genocide. These massacres were ordered by the united states military. So the federal government plays a central role in recognizing and understanding and renaming this truth and finding something to rectify it. So i have great confidence in Secretary Holland and that these types of things are a massive priority for her and also for the administration. I mean, we are really starting to see a new era and a new chapter. We were just in d. C. Last week where we gifted a totem pole. And i believe that this administration, it is a new days, theres a deeper Respect And Understanding about the importance of protecting and strengthening tribal sovereignty and really dealing with nations on tribes, on our nationtonation basis. I feel really hopeful and i think what americans need to understand is that in order to embrace this history, this is good for All Of Us. It is good for everyone, these types of changes. And it doesnt affect our ability to go out and enjoy beautiful places. In fact, i think its strengthened, when we can really acknowledge the true history and embrace the traditional indigenous Place Names for a lot of these mountains and places. I echo that. And to that point, look, i think we all have some responsibility to have one, curiosity about our fellow countrymen. Native americans were here first. And in doing that, i may lose my Amen Corner out there, but i know that i have said things and my friend has called me to the carpet on it and corrected. I have said things like Spirit Animal or low man on the totem pole, that, one, im using them incorrectly, and two, theyre offensive. So ive tried to not say those things. Whats your word of advice, particularly when it comes to native american culture . One, thank you for that acknowledgement, tiffany, and for work that All Of Us have to do. We all sometimes struggle with the things that we dont know. And what our research found was nearly 90 of schools in the country dont teach about native americans. Theres such a level of ignorance thats perpetuated through the Education System thats why a lot of people dont im going to say know better. But theres an opportunity as you learn to make these changes. And these changes go a long way. When we say these types of things, it perpetuates a lot of harm and a lot of hurt with native american people. Thats why we need to reform our Education System so people who truly learn the history of native people and all people. This is how were going Defeat Racism and learn about Each Other and really learn about and embrace Each Other and not harm one another. And its a global movement. The government there just agreed to pay 280,000 in reparations to families there, the aborigines there. Thank you for bringing some insight to this conversation. We would definitely love to have you back. And Coming Up, you or i would ignore consequences if we ignore a subpoena, right . But republicans in congress . Well try to make that make sense after the break. Y to make sense after the break. We can transform our workforce overnight out of convenience, or necessity. We can explore uncharted waters, and not only make new discoveries, but get there faster, with better outcomes. 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Every question today. If everyday citizens get arrested for ignoring a courtordered subpoena, why arent Expresident S or senate and is there any recourse for making them comply . Talk about it, michael. I assume youre talking about the January 6th committee, which is trying to figure out exactly what happened that day and whether any members of congress, trump officials, or even trump himself were involved in the storming of the capitol. Now, republicans in congress have been, as you know, just a bit uncooperative so far. And there has been no indication that theyll suddenly open up and share what they know with the committee. But some of those republicans are material witnesses in the investigation, like, for instance, jim jordan, who has repeatedly suggested that he spoke to trump during the actual insurrection. Now, if he and others like him refuse to talk about, well, then you end up talk about subpoenas, legal documents that compel a witness to testify or provide evidence. Now, in the courts, refusal to comply with a subpoena is a crime that will put you in jail. But in congress, its actually not so clear. Now, there is no real precedent subpoenas against members of congress, were in totally uncharted territory here, folks. I dont know what, you know, specific things we can do to compel, and im not even sure where this investigation is going to lead, who were going to need to talk to. Now, as for former administration officials, Donald Trump might try to block them from testifying by claiming executive privilege, but the doj said not so fast. Last week they said thats not going to fly now that there are no Trump Cronies in charge. So what happens if they still dont testify . Well, when it comes to sitting members of congress, they could potentially be called up before the ethics committee, or congress could ask the Justice Department to prosecute any Subpoena Dodgers with whats called contempt of congress, which is a crime. In theory, congress could also use whats known as inherent contempt power, and have the sergeant at arms actually make arrests. Now, that actually used to be pretty common up until the 1930s. Now, whether dems in charge of the committee would actually exercise that power, thats another story. So far, they refuse to even definitively say they will issue subpoenas. Ive asked right on this show. And it leaves unanswered one very important question about the republicans. I would support subpoenas to anybody that can shed light on that. If thats the leader, thats the leader. If anybody is scared of this investigation, i ask you one question, what are you afraid of . Great question, congressman, what are you afraid of. But it may be a while before we see any subpoenas. Committee staff will likely spend the sixweek August Recess gathering documents and Phone Records and conducting private interviews before resuming the public hearings after labor day. And just yesterday, former gop lawmaker, congresswoman denver riggleman, a trumpendorsed congressman, was hired as an adviser to the select committee. Now, chairman Bennie Thompson has also said he plans to press the doj for access to the insurrectionists who are facing charges for their role in this riot. Now, you know the ones who say Donald Trump told them to do it . Thats what hes talking about. In the meantime, its about keeping up the public pressure on the committee to make sure they hold these perpetrators accountable. President biden spoke some of his harshest words about the capitol rioters thursday as he signed a bill to award Capitol Police officers the congressional medal of honor. A mob of extremists and terrorists launched a violent and deadly assault on the peoples house. It wasnt dissent, it wasnt debate, it wasnt democracy. It was insurrection. So, michael, you can bet we will definitely be watching. 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Joining me is natasha brown, cofounder of black Lives Matter. Let me say, you look relaxed. You certainly deserved a breather. Who knew you would come back to this unimaginable fight. Rasenberger, the secretary of state, who everyone wanted to hail a hero during Trumps Attempt to overturn the election, and we knew this man is always the same person. He is no hero to democracy. Now hes trying to purge 185,000 voters from the rolls. Tell me about these people hes trying to purge. I have a feeling they look like you and me. You know, it is a consistent concerted effort to get people of color off the ballot. When you look at this list of 185,000 people, 44 of those folks are folks of color. When you look at the black folks actually in the state of georgia, were 32 of the population, but year overrepresented, 44 , overrepresented in the purge list. So this is a tactic that is specifically designed to be able to marginalize and take black voters off the list. When were talking about why we need voting Rights Legislation right now, its because not just for the future, it is happening now. We are seeing an aggressive plan used in georgia where theyre not only dropping people from the Voting Rolls, but also removing elected theyre moving election officials from these boards. Theyre also shifting and changing the dynamics by literally weaponizing the administration process. So thats why we have to have for the people in the John Lewis Voter advancement act, because were seeing this kind of ongoing effort to remove black voters, voters of color and democraticleaning voters from the Voting Rolls in georgia. Ive lost my confidence in congress. I dont know if were going to get the for the people act passed in a stringent enough way that it affects this level of Voter Suppression. So you led a campaign going after the private sector. Is that something that could be revisited . And for the folks sitting at home who are so frustrated by this, what is something that we can collectively do to help elevate this and stop it in its tracks . I feel your frustration, at the end of the day, yes. But my confidence never lies in congress, my confidence always lies in people. And congress are those representatives that we sent to dc and they should represent the people and we have to hold them accountable in doing that, which is why i believe we have to have direct action as weve been seeing all week. We saw until freedom leading an action at the airport in Dc Yesterday where 29 young folks were arrested, every single day were seeing the poor peoples campaign, my organization, the black Womens Roundtable. We need direct action that were literally not going to accept that our rights are negotiated. So there are a couple of things that people can do. One, i am encouraging folks to get active. The way that democracy happens is when people are engaged in it and were holding elected officials accountable. Its not up to them, it is up to us. So they should really be forcing a couple of things. One, there should be no recess without voting Rights Legislation being passed. Second, weve got to put more pressure on biden. At the end of the day, he has to use the full power of his office to push for Voting Rights. We saw that yesterday was a 56th Anniversary of the voting Rights Act. So here we are right now and we actually have less voting Rights Protection now in 2021 than we did in 1965. That is unacceptable. And so we literally, the people have to rise up, we have to support organizations on the front lines. We have to demand. Its not up to congress, it is up to us. We have to demand that democracy is not just a propaganda point, but it is real and we have to do that by putting pressure on congress to pass voting Rights Legislation. Natasha, you always give me Goose Bumps when you say we are not asking you to believe in a system, we are asking you to believe in you. This place does not have the right to deny us our voice or humanity. So thank you for all the work you continue to do and i hope the people listening will follow you, because we are all soldiers in your army. So thank you so much for joining us this morning. Well talk to you soon. Lets talk more about Voting Rights with my panel. Senior Entertainment Reporter for the undefeated, espns platform on sports, race and culture. Brad jenkins, returning champion, founder and ceo, and my longtime Friend David johns, the Executive Director of the national black justice cool lagz. Coalition. This impacts everybody and i think people are so caught up on the path to the ballot box, they dont consider once youve been denied access, its the policy that happens after that will directly impact your life. Im curious because you have worked in the obama White House, entertainment, youve touched a lot of different spaces. What is your group doing . What are the Marching Orders that youre telling your folks right now . Tiffany, i got Goose Bumps from natasha. A huge shoutout for black voters matter. Everything that Stacey Abrams and the black Womens Roundtable is doing in georgia, if not for that, we would perhaps not have a democratic senate, we would not have perhaps a President Biden and Vice President harris. Huge shoutout to them. You hit the nail on the head. The thing that i think about is that the republican party is so empty that they Cant Win with ideas. They Cant Win with actually making communities and families lives better. They have to suppress the vote of black and brown people. And so, agreed, we are working, the other incredible thing about Voter Suppression is not just latin americas, it is latinx and asianamericans. There are tens of thousands of asianamericans also thrown off the rolls and we know they came out in a Record Number in the general Election And Senate runoff. An attack on one community when it comes to Voter Suppression is an attack on all black and brown communities. We have to stand up and 100 have to push for the passage of the for the people act. And the api community, you made that point, they were integral to the Senate Runoff in georgia. The fastest growing demographic in the country and often the most overlooked demographic. Im happy you brought that up because this impacts everybody, like you said. David, Jasmine Crockett is a State Legislator from texas who is here in dc holding the line for the Voter Suppression in texas. I want you to take a listen to an interview she had on msnbc and well talk about it after. And i can tell you what im not doing, which is i will not be at the capitol you know, its been really tough. I cant sit here and pretend that its been easy to corral this many elected officials and get us all on the same page. But we agree that if democracy goes, we have nothing else. And so we are still standing in agreement and so there will be no quorum today. If democracy falls, we have nothing else. David, i know you work in this space as well. What are your thoughts on all of this . First, i just want to say thank you for black women and girls, so much of what we are thankful for in the world is a result of their labor and its not lost on me that they continue to be on the front lines. It also incenses me that we are having conversations about legislators being arrested for doing their job when there are white insurrectionists in particular who stormed our capitol who are frolicking. There are foundational holes in our democracy that need to be filled. This is a required part of showing that our social democratic experiment will continue and i hope that people will carry the same energy into the Election Cycle next year and beyond. I could not agree with you more. And really a lot of this this is a Temper Tantrum that republicans are throwing, that theyve long time thrown. Speaking of Temper Tantrums, i want to shift us to the baby. Music festivals are driving the baby from their lineups after the rapper went on an offensive and misinformed Homophobic Rant at a miami music festival. You didnt show up with hiv, aids, any of those diseases that will make you die. Now, he has since released apologies for his, quote, insensitive, end quote, comments about hiv and aids. The damage has been done. In 2021, it might be time to put the baby to bed. Kelly, first of all, im disgusted at these remarks, but, two, i have to say i was happy to see how the culture responded. Homophobia exists in every community, but particularly in the Hip Hop community, it shows how far weve come. Whats your take on it . Yeah, you know, look, Hip Hop is now 40 years old as of this month, and, you know, we talked for the last couple of decades about the Homophobia Problem that Hip Hop has had. Its significantly less homophobic now. There still is a long way to go, but like you said, people like little Naz X have gone such a long way to open the floodgates and have open and honest conversations that make it where we have all of these allies speaking out against, you know, the comments that dababy made at the festival in miami. And i think that feels like a good place, that were able to actually have a conversation. And even conversations like this on msnbc about Hip Hop and about where Hip Hop has gone and where Hip Hop is going. So i think theres good news on the way, even though that was a really unfortunate apropos of nothing. Let me just say, black women have called out dababy for a long time after he paraded megan the Stallions Person who shot her and he had him on stage. So, david, you are with the national black Justice Coalition and focus on these issues specifically. Whats your take on it . Three thoughts. One is this is beyond superficial conversations about the perpetuation of stereo types. This is about the disregard for science and compassion. The reality is that black people are still dying as a result of the stigma associated with Hiv Aids and we are Dispro Proportionately impacted. That causes so many people not to be tested, to not know their status and not be connected to care so they can thrive with hiv. And beyond the assumption, which is just wrong that this is a gay thing, black heterosexual women are impacted by hiv more than any other community. Theres been a lot of talk about cancel Culture And Lack of accountability. Dababy will be 37 in december. He went for two years to the university of North Carolina in greensboro. Not that lack of access to explain his statements, but it doesnt entitle him to an expectation of labor, that people would volunteer having after been offended by him to do this work. There are resources for folks that dont understand why this is important or how we can do better to address this, i encourage you to visit. And follow david, because my longtime friend, i assure you, those were tame remarks from mr. David johns. I want to talk about queen riri, who has officially reached billionaire status. Rihanna is worth a whopping 1. 7 billion. In large part, this is thanks to her cosmetics company, making her the richest female musician in the world. We love to see it. So, brad, let me ask you, because this does feel like a moment. She is a selfmade billionaire. She didnt come from, you know, money, her wealth didnt come to her through a sex tape. She went out there, had talent and built this empire. Im curious, what is your take on it . Im a huge fan, and i will say now that she is a billionaire, shes not the typical billionaire. She actually came and spoke to the White House back when i worked for President Obama and briefed us on all of the philanthropic efforts she was doing in her Home Country of barbados, which has been battered even more recently by covid. Hes been investing and reinvesting in black and brown communities, but shes been doing it, because, look, she grabbed the throne when it came to Beauty And Fashion because there were so many black and brown people who were not getting that premium beautiful makeup, fashion and design. Now shes a billionaire. So all the shouts, god bless riri. Enough of these billionaires going to space. More billionaires like riri. I love that. Good point. Kelly, we love to see it and i think its something interesting that this happens this week, we celebrated black womens equal payday. So on one hand youre really excited, on the other hand youre still kind of pissed off. On the spectrum of things, im curious your thoughts. Listen, we cant ignore the fact that the reason why rihanna is now 1. 7 billion rich is because she saw a need. There was something that was missing in the Beauty Space with regards to black women. As a darkskinned black woman i go into a Makeup Store and i go for one shade because that was all that was offered to me. Now theres a wealth of colors and spectrums, and not only did she do ta with the makeup space, she did that in the space, i wondered why companies didnt sell bras for women who had breasts. She made an inclusive Undergarment Company that is doing very well, and now we have 1. 7 billion reasons why were going to have to wait for another rihanna album, and thats the only downside. Thats the one casualty. Absolutely. And ill be okay with that. She understood the assignment very well. Were way over time. David, on august 11th, the senate passed a bill that would recognize this day as Hip Hop celebration day, which i am thrilled about, a child i grew up with Hip Hop and consider myself somewhat of a connasoire. I kind of listen to some of this mumble Hip Hop and i think you kids dont know good music. Whats your take and what should Hip Hop be doing . Realizing producers are yelling in my ear were way over time. We all should continue to thrive because were part of the culture and Hip Hop reflects culture. I also want us to acknowledge the ways it evolves and that mum Pole Rap builds upon the things that we celebrate and enjoy connected to the innovations. Im super excited about the fact that we might actually have access to the catalog. Im still pissed that she was able to marry r. Kelly at 15. I encourage everybody to find ways to get engaged in passing legislation that advances opportunities for All Of Us to thrive. I appreciate that. That was a really good point. And for the 30 genzers watching, dont at me. You guys are an awesome panel. It was great. Dont go anywhere. Because ahead, is there really a Power Struggle between the progressive and moderate wings of the democratic party . I can feel twitter buzzing away already. Because, really, the question is, is it something else at play . Were going to discuss that next. Before we go ive got to get a quick shoutout to allyson felix, who won her 11th Olympic Medal today, taking gold with the 4 by 400 Relay Team at the tokyo olympics. She is now the most decorated american athlete in Track And Field history. We love to see it. Well be right back. Ly pay for y with customized Car Insurance from Liberty Mutual nothing rhymes with Liberty Mutual. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Age before beauty . Why not both . Visibly diminish wrinkled skin in. Crepe corrector lotion. Only from Gold Bond. Hey google, turn up the heat. Super emma just about sleeps in her cape. 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Calling out progressives for targeting moderates, could socalled Woke Culture threaten democrats chances in the midterms . The squad has grown in numbers in small part, but still not a huge amount of people in the democratic caucus. So as you see, these days framing policy differences within the democratic party as a Civil War of progressives versus moderates is all too common in Media Coverage of their politics. Its the same redeductive framing We Saw in ohios election, where Shontel Brown defeated aoc endorsed Nina Turner. Is this race really a Proxy War for democratic divides, and does it really tell us anything about how democrats will do next november . Lets get into it. Joining me now, my friend and nemesis, dr. Jason johnson, msnbc political Contributor And Professor at morgan State University and returning champ, eric bowler, author and editor. Love your morning newsletter. Jason, i want to start with you because i loved your piece where you talk about this and you make startling claims. I think twitter was equally surprised. You say that Nina Turner was more Establishment Candidate and shontel was not. Before we dig into that, ive got to say you and i talk about this stuff, our separate Group Chats talk about this stuff. When i talk to people outside of our circle, there is never a conversation about, oh, this is the establishment, this is the progressives. Break it down. Give us your thoughts. Thats not how regular people talk. Regular people dont say this is progressive, this is the establishment. I know a lot of people who are voters who cant tell you what medicare for all actually is. Its not because voters are stupid, its because some of the language thats being used is not how they look at things. This is what i think is important for everybody to understand. We now in this country have a progressive establishment. That is a good thing. Its like our revolution. Its a lot of the people who came out of the Sanders Campaign who are pushing for more progressive policies. We saw that with Corey Bush in shaming our administration into doing something about the Eviction Moratorium. So it is good that we have an establishment left to push the moderates and conservatives of The Party. When youre talking about what happened in ohio, if i told you there was a candidate that raised twice as much as their opponent, had three times as many endorsements, thousands of out of State Volunteers and a 35 Point Lead two months before the election, you assume that person is going to win. And that was the position Nina Turner was in. If you blow that kind of structural Lead And Name recognition, you really have to look at yourself and how you blew that lead rather than claiming it was an outside force. I Cant Think of another example of someone blowing a lead that big outside of a scandal. You just opened a hornets nest. Eric, i want to turn to you, because, again, i think a lot of this is the Media Framing around this and you always have such great insight, calling out the media in what they can do better. Whats your take on this fight . I think were in the dog days of summer. Political press is kind of scratching around for good stories, and i think The Press misses the trump circus, the scandal, the hate tweets and things like that. The press has complained openly that the biden administration is so boring to cover. So i think ohio in 11, it was a way to Gin Up Conflict and refight the 2016 hillary, Bernie Sanders battle. But thats not really what unfolded here. This idea that there was a schism in The Party and this was moderate versus liberal, if it had been a very liberal black Woman Candidate versus a center right male white Hedge Fund democrat, sure, thats absolutely the narrative. But Shontel Browns voting record, i predict to be identical to what turners would have been. So The Press falls back to the dems in disarray, theres a schism. The democratic Party Today is probably the most united its been in modern history. People forget that Barack Obama butted heads with the democratic party, Bill Clinton was at war with the democratic senate. Today democrats are passing key legislation with unanimous votes. So i think its The Press trying to create some drama, trying to create some conflict, where it just doesnt really exist. Yeah, and its a little frustrating. Jason, you definitely know this. Sometimes it feels like these fights really just live on twitter. I mean, i get so much of, you know, youre a pawn for the establishment or youre a hard Core Bernie bro. Its just dumb. I tell you how i feel every week, jason tells you how he feels. Im for The Party that empowers the rising majority of this country, people who look like me. Jason, it lives on twitter, but do you think this is Real Life . No, no. What we have to understand, its not that twitter is not Real Life, but twitter is the whole country and, look, tiffany, you used to live in cleveland, too. If you go to ohio city, tremont, north summit county, theyre not having conversations about whats happening on twitter. Were asking, okay, what are you going to do about the potholes on lee and harvard, what are you going to do about the homeless situation, how are you going to clean up the lake and get ppp loans to businesses so they stay afloat. Thats what people are talking about. And this is important because twitter sometimes brings up these arguments. Theres a push that Shontel Brown won this race because Outside Dark Evil Money came in. Let us be clear. Number one, outside money comes into campaigns all the time. It was Nina Turner that decided to nationalize this race. They said had i kept my name out, i wouldnt have gotten involved in the race. We have to realize that when candidates nationalize their races, you bring in outside money. Had the conversation stayed on potholes and local issues, probably Nina Turner would have won because there wouldnt have been any reason for outside forces to come in and support Shontel Brown. I dont feel like this conversation is over. Well continue this On Ig live. Please dont be late. And eric, thank you so much for joining us. And dont go anywhere, because after the break hbcus, Black Colleges and universities, are paving the way for students to get their degree without financial headaches. Were going to dig into it Coming Up next. But with my Hiv Treatment, theres not more medicines in my pill. I talked to my doctor and switched to fewer medicines with dovato. Dovato is for some adults who are starting Hiv1 Treatment or replacing their current hiv1 regimen. With just 2 medicines in 1 pill, dovato is as effective as a 3drug regimen. To help you reach and stay undetectable. 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What youre looking at is the senate floor. Theyre now in session getting ready for votes on that 1 Trillion infrastructure bill, and a white House Official tells us that this afternoon Vice President Kamala Harris Will Travel Up The Road to Capitol Hill for meetings on that bill. Were going to stay on top of this. We will continue to bring you the latest throughout the day, so stay tuned to msnbc. Now, moving on To Hbcus, theyre finally getting some well deserved love and attention. More than 20 historically Black Colleges and universities will be scrubbing Student Loan Debt using federal pandemic funds, and its so necessary. More than 85 of black students reported more debt than their white counterparts. While hbcus only make up 3 of schools, they account for 17 of bachelors degrees earned by black students and nearly a quarter of degrees in the s. T. E. M. Fields. Since the pandemic, total University Enrollments have dropped by 3. 5 , but hbcus are experiencing the exact opposite. Howard university is seeing a 7 increase in graduate enrollment. One of those insufferable howard fanatics and professor from Howard University, thank you both for joining me. I am draped in howard people. When i was reading about this, you know you were the first person i thought of. You actually got your ph. D. , masters and undergrad, in that order, because of financial hardship. So tell me why this is so significant. Its really important, and i know this both from personal experience, it took me seven years to finish undergrad, because i ran out of Money And Couldnt go back to school until i had money to complete my studies. And then having been a Faculty Member at another hbcu, i saw students experience the same thing. This is disproportionately likely to happen to black students and its part of the reality we know of the economic terrain of black america, they Cant Swing the debt associated with education costs, its huge because its one of the big drivers in the Income Disparities and wealth disparities between Black And White. And one other point ill take here is that in addition To Hbcus producing an outsized share of black college graduates, they also have an outsized impact on the fortune of those graduates, so when the report looked at the likelihood of people skipping from the bottom 20 to the top 20 of the income distribution, there were a bunch of Black Colleges that were more likely to send their students in that direction to better financial fortune than there were for institutions that had much higher profiles. Thats very interesting, and i just want to say to folks who dont know your story, they should follow you. He has a new book out as well. Dr. Tollsen, we happy to have you on the show. I want you to take a listen to this take on hbcus and well talk about it on the other side. When i went to Howard University, there were perceptions about blackness that i had and private conversations that i needed to have outside of the conversations that we have with white people, private debates that needed to be had, debates about sexuality, debates about gender, debates about geography, et cetera, and you dont really get to have those conversations if youre trying to prove to people your humanity when they dont believe in your basic intellect. There are different axes besides Black And White and one of the beautiful things is when youre in a place where youre surrounded by other intelligent, brilliant black people, that card of Intellect And Card of humanity is off the table. I mean, he spoke such a truth there, dr. Tolson. Im curious your take, because these institutions are so vitally important. You served as obamas Executive Director on hbcus. Why are hbcus so typically underfunded . This is a very exciting time to be at an hbcu. I started my clear in louisiana in 2002 and ive been at Howard University for the last 16 years and i remember when i came to an hbcu, there was also a question of, are hbcus still relevant and that used to irk me so bad. I always said we cant be in a posture of trying to defend our relevance, we have to assert our excellence. I think the nation is starting to understand that theres a Value Proposition in hbcus, that the output from white institutions is not enough to meet the demands of an educated Workforce And Hbcus have provided advanced opportunities for underserved segment of the population. And in terms of the underfunding, we really have to look at the Founding Of Hbcus in the late 1800s to early 1900s and the civil Rights Act of 1964. This means that hbcus spent their first 80 to 50 years under jim crow laws, most of them in the south. So there was legal discrimination that was going on in a good portion of hbcus existence. So it adds a Compounding Effect to things that happen today, in terms of Alumni Support, philanthropic support, state appropriations, grants and contracts, all of these are areas where hbcus are not performing to the capacity they should be and we need a collective effort to look at all of these different dimensions of funding and make sure that hbcus get what they deserve. So that was a really good point. He talked about Alumni Support and i think All Of Us on the screen understand sometimes when you leave an hbcu, youre not inheriting a trust fund, youre inheriting a payroll because you have family to support, cousins, your nephew who needs to go to prom. Whats your take on funding from alumni and if Theres Something more that we could all be doing . Sure. So one of the things we find is that, in studies, we find that africanamericans are more philanthropic than any of their white counterparts, but the matter is scale. When we look at the number of needs that have to be met from the comparatively small group of people, theres still a smaller group of people, a percentage of africanamericans who have bachelors degrees and the gap has been narrowing, but still a smaller percentage than the white population. And when you start with your church, you start with your family, when you start with your community, when you start with the fact that you may live in a community that has less Tax Revenue thats coming back, and then look at the fact that theres still an Income Gap even outside of the wealth gap, that you are likely generating less revenue in your household than your white counterpart is. So the dollars dont go as far as they could. If youre looking at where you can get the most bang for your buck in terms of creating a more equitable society, you cant find anything better than the Hbcu System to invest. I could not agree more. Thank you both. It just occurred to me not only are you both howard folks, youre also both men of alpha by Alpha Fraternity incorporated. I think we touched many parts of that. So thank you for joining me. Well definitely have to have you both back. And next, sometimes you need to get away and take a break alone, and other times you need to do that with your tribe. I did that last week and ill tell you why aint nobody fresher than my click after the break. Dont you just love the look on the kids faces. Yea, that look of pure terror. No, no, the smile. And that second right before the first tear comes. What . pizza on a bagelwe can all agree with that. Do you want a hug . Age is just a number. And mines unlisted. Try boost® High Protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. 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After a successful first season, aquafina is back for season 2, premiering August 18th on comedy central. The show was inspired by her own childhood in queens, new york. And its not only funny, but its a brilliant platform for asianamerican actors and stories thats rarely seen in hollywood, considering that asian and pacific islanders account for less than 6 of characters in popular films. Joining me is Actor And Star of aquafina is nora from queens. That show is hilarious. First of all, i have to say plastic on the furniture is not unique to the experience. No, it is not. I know, i know. But it is universal, right . It is. And those of us who grew up with plastic on their furniture are sharing our painful memories, and i cannot believe you started at ten minutes to noon with fart jokes. Its the Cross Connection. We like to mix it up. Bring a little flavor to cable news. Its laughoutloud funny and aquafina is hilarious and i love seeing you in this role because i think most people associate you with your role on law order. Youre a longtime Theatre Actor and have a Breadth of experience. Whats your favorite part about working with this amazing Ensemble Cast . It is that, i go back a long way with lori chin, who plays my mother. And the two young performers of the moment that i just love drawing energy from and riffing off of. Theres a lot of improv in the show and thats not new to me, but it is territory that i love exploring and ive always enjoyed that part of any kind of role. And it doesnt always come your way, so i really enjoy that part of it. Its really a Fun Set and i think i hope that it wears off, it crosses over to the audience. It definitely leaps off the screen. Its laughoutloud funny. I want to get into the lack of representation of the community, in many sectors, but particularly hollywood. You spent a lot of time in theatre. Is it better in theatre, is there more work to do there . If there is more work to do, we can we as consumers do to help make sure what we see on stage or on screen reflects the rising majority of this country . Sure, i mean, i think to answer the second part of your question, the answer to that is really about owning our power or our ability to use our dollars and patronize not only the shows, the movies, buy tickets to the movies and plays, but to patronize the sponsors of the shows that are on television, because they are supporting this content. And i have always encouraged my own community who are not always known for kind of getting out of the house and pouring themselves into a cause to put their money where their mouth is. And in recent years we have seen a shift in that in my own community, and thats been exciting. People renting out theatres for the Opening Week of crazy rich asians and that kind of thing. Which was so awesome to see. To answer the other part of your question, it is kind of the same in the theatre. Its a broad Level Blanket Kind of lack of representation that having this kind of conversation can hopefully help. And something else, one of our producers pointed out, Chris Carney was explaining to me that theres also an issue with straight actors playing gay characters, but gay characters rarely get to play straight actors, which is something i hadnt consider before. Im curious your thoughts on that. The whole notion of new not new to me, but an emerging idea of a appropriation is on the table now in a way that it wasnt when i was a young actor. And people acting outside of their own experience was once thought of as transforming for actors and british actors played black characters and all that kind of stuff, and then we realized that that just caused an incredible lack of equality in the business because i was never allowed to play a white character. I could only play an asian character. But there were plenty of white actors who were able to play asian characters. And that transfers over into gay roles now and there are many more gay and transactors who are fit for the roles and ready for the opportunities and its not appropriate to say we couldnt find somebody. Its super important and a great conversation because the audience is not itself aware necessarily of the nuances. Its an Art Form and its a sense of selfexpression for an artist, but theres also politics and fairness. Yeah, i echo that, and i appreciate you. Were way over but i wanted to let you finish your thought because it was so important. You are always welcome to come back on the show. Ill take you up on that. Thank you. Coming up, you dont want to miss tomorrows show because on the Sunday Show with my Friend Jonathan Cape hart, u. S. Amazon to the united nations will join capehart for her role on representing the united states on the closing ceremony. Thats tomorrow at 10 00 a. M. On msnbc, right here. 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Were going to get right to it right now. Good day, everybody. Were going to get to the albany county sheriff, right now holding a Press Conference on a criminal complaint filed against the new york governor. Lets listen. Not that im aware of at this time. Again, we are in the very infant stages. [ inaudible question ] we have not even talked about that at this point. [ inaudible question ] i would rather not, sir, at this point. Again, were in the very infant stages of this investigation. I do not want to go any further on that. We have a report on file that alleges criminal conduct against our governor, and