Time . Its a burglary gone wrong. But the burglar caught redhanded starts pointing fingers. This is a guy who aspire to be a Hit Man she was a sitting target. Does it now mean that you charge them all with . Effort now the Detective Sleigh a trap. We try to play cat and malice. Were getting really paranoid about being one are you . Wired will they catch their prey . You hold your breath, the worlds Gonna Stop. This you never think its going to be you. Oh no no. The young man is right. In fact, this is the kind of thing that just doesnt happen to anyone. No, never. Never wouldve thought i would ever see anything like this. No, not here. Not in this neighborhood, in this house. But certainly not, surely not, at the very moment when at least three policemen were just outside the front door and just over the Backyard Wall and more than 30 feet away. We had to be told a few times just to get it in our heads, what happened. What happened here . In broad daylight and under the very noses of the cops . Was murder. No long beach california, a town that might have been cheated a little by the city fire department. A lot of people assume its like a lay but its not its different, it has its own identity. Different culturally . I think so. I think long beach is sort of its own beast. Sure. Its a little more Working Class. Yes, and its one of those 50 suburbs in search of a city that everybody calls l. A. But long beach is a brawny city unto itself, half 1 Million people, 52 square miles, a busy airport, a big university, an oceanfront, along beach. And its share of wealth and poverty. That of course crime. A lot of scope for a person who no shortage of work, for covering crime. Tracy mansour it is the long Beach Press Telegram. She was they trusted her. Maybe thats why when one November Morning contact from the Police Department came to me in the midst of this sort of Press Conference and said, you need to go to big speed, now. And i was a little taken aback. Taken aback because big speed was not a name you heard in the crime beat. So was very clear to me that something major was coming going on. Packed up my stuff, ran out The Door, and got to the scene. This Scene Wasnt picks be knowles, quiet in affluent, Leave It To Beaver Homes and carefully tended Tree Lines treats. Crime is virtually unheard of there, which is just the way they like it here. Maybe thats why, as they grew up, here or moved here, theyd rarely leave. Like rachel. Everybody is very friendly, always waving. You dont get that a lot in Southern California. Rachel rachel still lives In The House she grew up in. We were able to plays kids, at all hours of the day. We had nothing to worry about anyone ever hurting us or its a safe neighborhood. But then came that November Morning, but Tracey Mans would roll over there in her car. I had no idea what i was going, to what i was going to find. But i knew based on how i was told about it that it was gonna be something very bad. Oh end it was. I was barely out of my car when i saw the homicide lieutenant, the home homicide sergeant, to commanders, and obviously a bank of black and white. So my first thought was there was offshore officer shooting. Or either an officer had been shot and killed or an officer shot someone. But none of that. No. What really happened was far stranger than that. Long beach Police Department. Yes id like to report, up, i believe we have an attempted break and going on at the moment. It was a neighbor who side. It was the start of some dreadful shock mood. It it was 11 03 am. Its Taking Place at my neighbors, which is the house just west of. Me ok, one just west to you . Yes. It is the shocker rested is. The shopowners, the colors next door neighbors. Several cops responded within minutes. And as they talk to the one one wont 911 collar, they saw a white dog barking incessantly at the window. Not a very large dog. Just a fluffy, yuppie dog. A petite framed woman came to the window to see if what her dog was biking barking. At an officer beckoned to reckon her to come. Outside she opened The Door. So hes telling her that they got a call from the neighbor that they saw a prouder and would it be Okay if they looked in her backyard. And looked around the house. And she had said that that was fine. But hold on, the woman said to the police, let me grab the key, the gate is locked. So she closes the front door, walks through the house and walks out the back door. Three cops waited outside the front door. Two more cops pulled in right here, in the alley behind the house. And then, to their great surprise, the prouder jumped over the Backyard Wall practically into their arms. They searched him. Found jewelry in his bag, and a taser, and a cell phone, and a knife with blood on it. The Cops Out Front waited for the woman to return. She didnt. Ten seconds, 20 seconds, did a minute go by . They decided, time to go in. They opened The Door, look through the house. And what they saw was not just terrible, but a riddle, a deception, a piece of pure evil. Coming up. What couldve happened in that house . While the was surrounded by Police Officers . I couldnt believe it. I thought it was a joke. Until your father arrived with tears in his eyes. Thats when i knew something was wrong. When dateline continues. Hen dateline continues why choose proven Quality Sleep from Sleep Number . Because a quality Nights Sleep is scientifically proven to help increase energy. The new Sleep Number 360 Smart Bed helps keep you asleep by sensing your movement and automatically adjusts to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. Proven Quality Sleep is lifechanging sleep. Only from Sleep Number. Team usa is ready for the Olympic Games. And so is sharon she got Xfinity Internet and mobile together. So she has fast and reliable wifi at home. Wow . And nationwide 5g on the most reliable wireless network. Oh my gosh . Plus up to 400 Dollars off her Wireless Bill wow cheer on Team Usa with Xfinity Internet. And ask how to save up to 400 a year on your Wireless Bill when you add xfinity mobile. It was a mild day that get started today. Particular november 8th, california weather, not quite noon. And as usual, it was quiet in Picks P knowles, in long beach. Quiet and, in that quiet, more menacing than anybody understood. As police responding to a call by a proud or waited outside the front door. Neither they nor that half awake homeowners as she close The Door in their faces, and when in search of a key to the gate in the yard. Seconds tick, by the dog barks. The woman didnt return. So the cops, still not getting, it went in, too late. Shes attacked and she was killed right there and then while the Police Officer was on her. Port extraordinary. Yes. The victims name was a lynn shopowner. They found her quite dead just outside they could see the bright red gash across her throat. How is it possible . The policeman were just outside her front door. And more cops were in alert mode out in the alley. But the only apparent witness to the silent murder of linda, was lynns little dog, zoe. Horrified officers found her lying by lin side, her white coats battered red. Back at police headquarters, long beach cops, like undercover man, chris, nelson heard the attack. We were sitting in the office and we used to have a Police Radio on in the office, listening into whats going on in the street. This was bad. We were right down the road down homicide. And you write a way that this was turning into a call out, where somebody got killed. Now, crisis mode. Detective Richard Brand saw called and said get down there fast. Your first time at that your first thought at that, time you remember but it . Was its a burglary. Did you have at the same time a sense of how could we screw up like . That like everybody else youre trying to discern why why she did what she did, but did the officers, say what was a conversation . Oh yes, there were lots of questions. This would be ugly. Why did she go back In The House . Why did the cops let her . Why didnt they move in faster . How could they let the murder happened right under their noses . That was really disturbing and, you know, you hate to second judge another cop but there were mistakes made. After all, a neighbor reported a prouder in the back alley. A prouder who may have sneaked into her house. But she, the victim, didnt seem to believe that. She had a little eskimo dog, barking butterflies. And there is no way that there would be a but she was wrong. She was wrong. Her son, charlie, was a freshman in High School then. He was sitting in math class. Somebody told him that he was wounded in the principles office, on the way there he thought he was in trouble. And then, when they told him i didnt believe it. I thought it was a joke. Until your father arrived with tears in his eyes . That was when i knew something was wrong. His father, man fred, or fred as most people call, and came to take charlie home. How is your father . Upset. He was definitely one he was crying. He couldnt drive. I didnt really have eyes for him in that moment you are just a mess . Yes. And charlie still could not believe what he was hearing. It really didnt set in until i saw the house and then it all came Crashing Down. His home was a crime scene. The house was taped off and, there were people going in and out of the house. A lot of neighbors around. Like everything you see on tv. You never think its going to be . You owe no. Its surreal. Very much so. What is that lost feel . Like yeah, i cant put it into words it was tremendous, it was awful. I immediately called mark and babbling on the phone, i couldnt even speak. Mark was Charlies Uncle, Lynns Brother. After the initial shock, here is disbelief. Then burst into tears right away, i started screaming, i was just stunned. Linda grew up in ohio, she was the baby of the family, the only girl. Here she is with her two older brothers, john and mark, but lynn was not like them. She was a tentative girl, where is my brother and i were very outgoing. Their father died young, lynn all often fought with her mother. Codefendant, love hate, call it what you want. She got married, moved to california with a brandnew husband, it didnt work out, it ended pretty quickly. But then One Day she went to a ball game, dodgers somebody, who knows, and she found him. The right guy, her guy. Fred shopowner. He was almost 14 years older than she was but it didnt seem to matter. It didnt hurt other that fred was a successful. Matt anytime anyway, this time it clicked. They had an intimate wedding on a boat off the california coast. The captain did the honors. And they live together in that house and big speed knows. Until finally, after 11 years, they had a son. Who grew up to be charlie. As parents, they encouraged him to try new things. It was like it was the olympics, and we were watching gymnastics and i teach my parents and said, im going to do that. And i think a month later, i rolled into gymnastics. So there it was a supportive environment. And Lynn Doted on her only son. It might be tried to say this, but she loved him more than life itself. He was the center of her universe. So, after what happened, mark flew out to california right away to come for charlie and fred, and to make funeral arrangements for his only sister lynn. And at the very same time, as if in another world altogether, world devoted to the minutiae of violent crime, Detective Richard Poked around the entrails of this burglary gone bad. He could perhaps ride up a report, and make the Bad Press go away. But, no Richard Bird so was a troubled man. We said something is wrong. We feel like something is, wrong but we dont know. Yet wrong . Well of course it was. But the wrong that the detective had in mind was not the grief or the loss of the victor ills thrown at the police. No, it was almost like a smell, the kind that sticks in your nose, something off. Coming up. One of the strangest things of all was the alleged killer himself. Not your typical burglar. In his words, he always wanted to be a cop. And this was not your typical burglary. Ive been in the Burglary Division for four years when dateline continues. N dateline continues feel the clarity of nondrowsy claritin. And 24hour relief from symptoms caused by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. Try claritin cool mint chewabls for powerful Allergy Relief plus a cooling sensation. Live claritin clear. This past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. But eventually, with spring comes rebirth. Everything begins anew. And many of us realize a fundamental human need to connect with other likeminded people. Welcome back to the world. Viking. Exploring the world in comfort. Once again. I was injured in a car crash. I had no idea how much my case was worth. I called the Barnes Firm. Young charlie was a lucky kid when a Truck Hit my son, i had so many questions about his case. I called the Barnes Firm. It was the best call i couldve made. Your case is often worth more than insuran call the Barnes Firm to find out i couldve made. What your case could be worth. We will help get you the best result possible. The Barnes Firm, Injury Attorneys call one eight hundred,est resul Eight Million to grow up in a place like bixby knolls. Tree lined street, beautiful neighborhood. It was a wonderful place to grow up. And i would escape. Our take my dog around. He was lucky two to have that in for a mother. How did you make you feel . As parents should. Safe . Loving. Welcome. They just good. But now, Lynn Doctor was gone. Killed in a burglary. Charlie was 14 and grief stricken, was so angry at the police. You didnt do your job, how could that happen with you being right . There that negligence. Charlie was far from The Only One. This was a broad daylight murder. Police officers just outside their front door when it happened. I can imagine people would be kind of acts set in the neighborhood, if a burglar had been there . Yes. And dropped a house, killed women, and the cops can prevent it . Right. I think the majority of the neighborhood was just stunned and shocked by the violence. How does somebody who is in her own home die within a matter of seconds with officers all around her home . Tracys paper, the long Beach Press Telegram, reported the community backlash. There was anger. Cops often tend to pull together in the face of a thing like that, but in private, harsh judgments, from the undercover cop, chris nelson. Im sorry, but just dont let her go back into a situation like that. Police in 1 01. So what was the very minimum, you go in with. Her so i was the top around the the department when this happened . That they messed up. Detective Richard Birdsall is used to being used to asking tough questions, suddenly had to answer. Them i had the feeling that the department would adopt a sort of defensive stands at that point because the questions would be, how could you let that happen . Yes they did. Because youre trying to defend the officers who didnt do anything wrong. Youre waiting for someone to bring you the key. They waited a short period of time, within a minute, theyre yelling for her, maam, can you come back, hello . Where are . You just a minute or. So enough freeland to surprise the burglar who stabbed her in the neck, grab some jewelry, and ran into the arms of the police. The detective filed around the crime scene. We saw the Bedroom Drawers were open, jewelry, things were thrown around. So you look at a lot of things in disarray. It looked like a standard daytime burglary, gone horribly bad, of, course when lynn encountered the rubber. But one thing stood out, like, well, a bloody knife. Ive been in the Burglary Division for four years but ive never had one come with a device simply for killing. So, time to focus on that socalled burglar. Caught with a bloody knife in his pocket. His name was nicholas harvey, he was 22 years old and this was unusual. He didnt have a criminal background, he never had trouble with the law before. He seemed like a nice . Man he was very personable, he wanted to cooperate with us. In his words, he always wanted to be a cop at some point in his life. And here he is robbing and killing a woman . Correct. Well he was a personal trailer at a local gym. Hes a big Muscle Bouncer of a character. Correct. From Port Hueneme . Port hueneme. But Thats Way up the coast. Yes by ventura. In other words, 70 miles from the crime scene. But why would he commit a robbery from so far away from home . Thats one of the facts that immediately came up. When detective Richard Birdsall and his partners first saw him, nick gave them an answer that did make. Since he came with his initial story, i heard that this was a good area. Really . There wasnt a good area closer to home . Well, then, nick gave them another answer. You wanted to he wanted to get out of his area, he looked at the local gym at the area and did Martial Arts with Police Officers, they felt like they would recognize. And when he said that, did its impossible . No it wasnt possible at all. And one other thing, remember how when police arrested him they found jewelry in his pocket . Turns out it was fake. Even though lynn had lots of real diamonds, right there to be taken, along with other valuable items. If you can do a daytime burglary, and kill somebody, you could make the effort to get the good. Stuff but he didnt. So either Nick Harvey was the worlds worst burglar, or the burglary wasnt The Point of his visit. The detectives pushed him hard, but he did want to change the story. We were added for hours. We walk out of there saying, this is, done this is what it seems to. Be just a hunch of course. No way to prove it. Until, 70 miles up the coast, a man picked up the phone to call the police. Coming up, a Family Feud i wrote that line letter, i signed the letter, i handed it to my sister, and i dared her to give it to him. What is that all about . When dateline continues. Dateline continues. When it comes to laundry, everyone thinks their way is the right way. I just stuff everything in. It has to be cold water, its better for the planet. The secret is, with Tide Pods it all works. 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She won a bronze in the 100 Million meter dash. She is sharing the podium in this back to data. Detective Richard Birdsall dont believe for a moment that he was investigating a burglary. For one thing, burglars dont travel 70 miles to break into a house. But for all his suspicion, he can prove a thing. That is until a man who knew Nick Harvey called the police. And said. Nick harvey came to him and offered him some money to say can you jimmy downed along . Beach they agreed. They met at a Parking Lot and he drove knicks car. The driver also said that nick told him why he needed to get along beach. Nick harvey local Drug Dealers out there. So hes going out for that one reason. Honestly, he had no idea that the agenda included the murder, said the driver. He never knew that he was gonna come down to take Someones Life. Of course, the guy was probably lying. So they put him under arrest. Anyway, his claim that he thought he was driving a Drug Enforcer did make a lick of sense. The notion that Lynn Shocking or was somehow tangled up with Drug Dealers and child for execution was frankly preposterous. Then had been leading a quiet life for 25 years, married to a man with a lot going for him. He was a wealthy man. For years, fred earned top dollar in the aerospace industry, not to mention all the family that he inherited. They were able to afford things that none of us Growing Up could possibly afford, we were a Blue Collar Working Class people and we didnt know many millionaires Growing Up. He bought or things, jewelry that, sort of thing . Right from the beginning they bought a very nice home and a exclusive some suburb of long beach. That was a step up. Marks remembers flying up to Sea Limb after she got married. She was dying to show off her home, show off her new live. Lynn seemed happy, said mark. SHe Sat out i think whats special a determination, having had her first marriage not last, to make this one work was important to. Her to make a complete family, a desire that only intensified once charlie came along. She wanted her son to be the best person he could be and would stop at nothing to make sure that he got that. Around bixby knolls, they considered it completely normal for them to be an upscale family. Certainly not the type of people to be targeted by Drug Dealers. But Family Members had a slightly more intimate perspective. Franciss sister found him obnoxious. He was in shy about dropping hints about the extent of his holdings. Martin see them very often, he lived way across the country in georgia, but when he did come to visit in long, beach and they went out to dinner, fred always managed to monopolize the conversation and somehow stick mark with the bill. Keep, totally opinionated, absolutely self involved. So, when he invited Linen Charlie to visit him in georgia, i basically told my sister not to bother to bring him, she could stay as long as she wanted, leave her own head at home. And on one of those visits, mark told lynn exactly how he felt. I said, how can you let someone run your life and forget about yourself . Afterward, He Sat down and wrote many of the same things in a harshly worded letter to fred. I wrote that letter, i signed the letter, i handed it to my sister, and i dared her to give it to him. Did you think she actually . Would i didnt know but she did well. That took guts. It did, it did. One and frankly, mark was pleased, one of here is later, after a Quarter Century of marriage, lynn told him that they were splitting. And fred moved out of the house. She changed somehow after your father left . She seemed freer, happier them. More able to get excited, just really interested in everything and very light hearted. But, her happiness was short lived. And when mark first heard she was murdered, his mind went to a very dark place, could fred have something to do with it. But as much as he disliked fred, there was no way he could see it. There was no connections in their personal life to this person who committed the crime. No, it seems pretty clear, fred had nothing to do with lynns murder. Besides, then changed the locks on the house after fred moved out, could it be someone she hired to install some protection, actually come back to robber and kill her . After, all such a Person Wouldve seen that land had valuable things around the house in this very nice neighborhood watch. The neighborhood had everything a burglary wanted to find, private yards wealthy, homes and she had the worst of possible luck in that he picked her way. Yes. And now the family came together in grief. And when he saw fred we hugged, shared condolences, within five or ten minutes, he mentioned the letter. He said, do you still believe that . I said, no, Thats Water over the bridge. We need to get on with our family, we need to stick together. Fred moved back into the Family Home. He and charlie and the rest of the family leaned on Each Other. Well oh round the neighborhood absorbed the news that there is a possible accomplice neighbors wondered, where more people involved . There was concern that there are others that might come back to more houses and more homes and that they were violent. But that fear soon turned to anger when another bit of news swept through the police let the driver go. Coming up, detectives were convinced Nick Harvey didnt have a motive to commit murder, but maybe someone else did . My partner discovered that there was a person that he talked to multiple times white before the murder. When dateline continues. Hen dateline continues for the maestros of the creamiestever, musthave smoothies. Its irresistibly delicious. More almond breeze, please nexgard is the Flea And Tick protection thats 1 with vets. It even prevents the infection that causes lyme disease. Your vet trusts nexgard for her patients and her own dog. Plus, its delicious Beef Flavor is 1 with dogs. Ask your vet about nexgard. 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Him and thats exactly what birdsall did. Released the man who admitted that he driven the man to the crime scene. But the detective had a plan. We actually put knock to feed on his phone, we wanted to find out who is talking. Two we have the driver, we have the killer, now we want to find out if theres more people involved. Detective birdsall dont believe that harvey was a dragon for, so hidden by. It so he hoped that by releasing the driver and tapping his phone, he could uncover what was really going on. There was only one problem, after he was let go, the driver didnt reach out to anyone. The only person ever spoke to was Nick Harvey. The driver was not part of a larger group. He had nothing whatever to do with lynns murder. So he was telling The Truth . It turns out, yes. Dead end. So they kept on digging into next background, and remember, this was a guy with a clean record. He came off with a perfectly ordinary young. Man we talk to the family, they were all incredulous next . Family next. Family. Correct incredulous . It didnt fit his persona. They never thought that he would be capable of doing something like this. So when you asked his family about, him how did they characterize . Im at that time, he worked out a lot, he was doing steroids, we had one he was a trainer for the local gin up there. And thats all he did. When he was a bouncer at a ball. He never really got in trouble. But for some, reason he got himself in trouble. Police are trying to figure out how when they went through his Phone Records. My partner discovered that there was a person that he talked to with and multiple times right before the murder. Frank Woo Jaramillo . Frank jaramillo, aka El Cubano. We an odd Person Ecologist before committing a murder. And less, of course, he was in on it. How to found find . Out step, one says chris, nelson go back to Nick Harvey. Lean on him. You have to talk to this guy before he gets rained. Because once he is arranged, you are screwed. Hes gonna get an attorney, his Attorneys Gonna Tell Him to shut. Up just whats birdsall and his partner were thinking. So they confronted nick again, now two days after lindas murder. You need to be fully truthful with my partner and i right, now because its only gonna you know benefit you to tell The Truth. This is getting uglier and uglier. We went out it won last. Time he reiterated it almost exactly what he said before. Which was that he killed lynn Edge Schockner because the burglar he tried to carry out went bad. The cops still didnt buy. It you need to take nick into responsibility now. Take care of nick, now please. And tell be truthful with us. Because we are not Gonna Stop nick. And thats when the story started to change. I might as well break it i was hired to hit the house. I dont know why. I dont i deny. Ask that, is set, Nick He was hired to commit a burglary. One that depending on what he could steal, might prove very profitable. Whats the amount you were promised . What was In The House, plus, 20 500. Bs, said the cops. He was hired to kill. And they knew it. Because those Phone Records told a very different story than he did. And finally, Nick Harvey cracked. When we were in the car he said, yes, you guys are good, you got. Me just like . That just like. That and then he cops out. Yes, he. Said Frank Jaramillo, the guy The Call El Cubano, hired him to kill Lynn Schockner. Gave him 20 500 up front, promised 2500 more when the job was done. Why would i commit a murder for him easily 2500 was questionable, but a bigger question was who was this El Cubano really, and why would he pay a guy to kill a housewife in long beach . Coming up, there is always the husband, right . But in this case, police didnt seem to think so. The detective was very quick to share me that they have no suspicions of. That when dateline comes continues. Come continues. Except now you have uncontrollable Body Movements called tardive dyskinesia td. 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I will moved so i had to buy a bunch of new bedroom stuff. He spent the 2500 on furniture called the couch potato. But when the time came to earn the rest of his money, to kill lynn, he said, for a moment, he got cold feet. Truth be told, when i got there, the i didnt want to do it. One at all. In fact, when i was sitting there, i was sitting actually, back by The Door and i was where the messed apart is i actually thought thats when he went into something like Fight Or Flight mode, he said. He killed. Her and then he quickly ran into the house, pulled out some drawers, grabbed some jewelry to make it look like a burglary, but then when he escaped, to his horror the cops were, or appeared, to be waiting for. Him so, then listen to this, harvey had a question for the detectives. Can i ask you guys a question . I dont know if you guys can answer, this how are you guys there so fast . Neighbor. Theres people in the neighborhood. Someone saw you get out of the car. Did you know the cops were even out there . Not until i got back over the wall and i saw the van. And when i saw the, van i guess thats when, i said this is gonna be a setup. That is, he thought he was being double crossed by his friend, frank, aka El Cubano. Thats why he decided to stick to the botched burglary story, he said. Maybe he would just get second degree murder, and once he got out of prison, he was going to find frank. And Take Care of him myself. The detectives played along, of course, but Nick Dream up any conspiracy made him. Happy but meanwhile the requisition was El Cubanos Phone Records. And they found something. Surprising he was talking to nick, harvey but he was also talking to the husband. Fred schockner . Fred schockner. Fred schockner, lends husband of 25 years. On the surface, it didnt make much sense. After, alfred had been cooperative with detective since day one. And, yes he had moved out of the family, house but he told them that the break was amulet, he she is my best, friend he said. And not long after the murder, Young Charlie sought out birdsall and whispered a cruel question. Does my father have anything to do with . This truly remembers what the detective told him. We he said that he was quick about it. That if they have thought that, they wouldve looked into him, and not to worry about that. Is that what detectives really believe . Well, no. We have to sit there and look at him in the eye and say, Well Kate let you know if he is. Involved but not say we suspect. Exactly. They believe they couldnt tell charlie, or the rest of the family, but they were discovering. Afraid that fred would find out, stop talking to them. So charlie stayed at home with his father. His Uncle Mark was allowed, even encouraged to believe, that fred was not involved. Even as the detectives were getting the real story from the Hit Man. Nick harvey. Do you know who talked to El Cubano regarding this . Yes. Who did . Her husband. So, doesnt that mean you can know you can now go out and arrest him and . We wish, its just a conspiracy statement, i have no. Facts its a statement from one. Person that person, Nick Harvey, was an admitted killer and demonstrated liar. And with the Police Department under so much scrutiny, they didnt dare Arrest Anybody with solid proof. Just think of the scandal on top of everything else, the prosecution failed. They did find Frauds Business Card and frauds wallet, but that wasnt enough either. Meanwhile, the public, lynns family, would be encouraged to believe that it was a case of a burglary gone bad. A murder that Cop Shouldve prevented. I can go out there and defend my department as much as i wanted to. You can Say Anything . And i cant tell The Press, i cant tell you cant defend ourselves because we have suspects of interests are the ones we are looking. At we dont want them to get lawyers. So inside and outside the long beach media, The Pressure was. On my department was one of the we have a black, i The Press was just beating us up daily as to what we did. So the clock was ticking. Detectives wanted to prove the murder. And they needed to do it fast. That was the whole, game trying to play cotton, miles trying to get more, we wanted to get them to, talk to communicate. But, it wasnt going to happen, by the look of. It even though they kept talking to fred. We kept going to the husband. Playing dumb, of course. But hoping hed Panic And Call was El Cubano. I one point to recalling Each Other every day. But try to give them a reason so that he would be more suspicious than he was already. One more. Sir just like colombo, one more. Sir this was a game. But with deadly consequences. Deaths also has a way of bringing people together. Lynn was a private woman, a very had very few friends beyond her son charlie. And yet we had a big service for her. It was amazing how many people came out for her. It was with nice. I just remember i, at that point, i couldnt even cry. I was still depressed and shocked. Well i felt bad for that for a long time but well, thats pretty normal. Yeah. Did the Tears Gum . Yeah. It took a while, but they did. What meanwhile, detective Richard Birdsall was chipping away at the case. But far too slowly for the likes of his bosses at the long beach Police Departments, still under fire for not preventing a. Murder the detectives had found some connections among the three suspected conspirators. But not nearly enough to go to court. When you have to go arrest everybody. Id love to. But do i have probable cause . No, i dont really. I have to prove. More and you couldnt even say that either one of those people was a suspect . Correct. One and i was 16 when i started, i was five two when i finish. There was so much pressure to do it and make. Arrests coming. Up fred and frank finally start talking. 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The police knew frank, aka El Cubano, was at home in long beach, woodland hills, but fred kept talking, and ever more chatty,ings volunteered he lent frank more than 100,000, which made sense given what the detectives had already learned about frank. He had a fetish for watches and lived the life of the rich and famous and didnt really have a full time job. The detectives believes it was just the opposite. I think fred wanted to own Frank Jaramillo in some way. Frank already had the 100,000 and now hes on the hook to fred Big Time and fred says to get off the hook, youve got to make this happen. Yep. Then the slate is wiped clean. Absolution of all debt. He hired nick for a bargain basement price. Fred didnt know the cops even suspected it. Didnt have any idea, for example, that they were tapping his phone. So when fred began calling the Cops To Play mr. Cooperative, he recorded every word. Hello, mr. Officer, this is Fred Schockner. How are you doing, mr. Schockner . There has never been anything as bad as this in my life, and i hopefully hope there never will be. Well, i dont blame you. But you asked me a couple of questions, and let me give you some information. Okay. The check that i wrote to frank was cashed on october 29th. For 25,000. Yeah. That was for the bmw. That was for the bmw. Look at this. On the check theres a note that indicates the bmw would be delivered between 11 7 and 8. Lynn was murdered on the 8th of november. I called him today and asked him about the status of the car on The Voice mail. Yeah. You called him today . You didnt happen to ask if he was back in the country. No, i just left a voice mail. Okay. Does It Sound like fred is having fun toying with the cops . Any other questions you have for us at the time . Happy fishing. Why is it going so long . Thats a good question, because the fish arent answering. Well. Hold on. Ive got to get this. Fret god another call from Frank Jaramillo. Then he offered a theory about the killer. You know, the kit may have been someone that was associated with the lock change. It may have been someone that was associated with someone she met and tried to help. Exactly. Fred hung up with the detective and picked up his cellphone to talk to jaramillo. That call was also recorded. Hello. Did you hear a lot of that . Kind of. Okay, good. I dont need to talk about it. How are you doing, bud . It has been a rotten, rotten time, so much sympathy and so much activity surrounding it, its unbelievable. So just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. We had like 60plus Phone conversations between them. And youre tapping them all. Were tapping them all. But it just didnt slip up, so it was time, the detectives decided to launch the undercover Squad Led by chris nelson. I was armed with information now. Nick harvey was telling the homicide guys whats up, they told me, and so now if youre Frank And fred, fric and frac, your biggest concern is that nicks caught. Yeah. Of course. You want to make sure he doesnt Say Anything. You want to see a trade. First Detective Nelson decided he would go for broke by phoning Fred Schockner himself, claiming to be the hired killer, Nick Harvey. So how did you go about doing this . I went to the County Jail and used one of their Inmate Phone us because i wanted a prerecording that said youre receiving a call from the penal institution of blah, blah, blah. The first time he hung up on me. Theres a pause where they ask if youre willing to accept. And he said no. Click. And then i called him again. This time fred took The Call. He said, im the guy that did the work at your house for you. I said, well, im going to need my other half, my money, you know, for an attorney. He said, well, you already have it. I said no. He said, you need to talk to your guy. Your guy. He could only mean Frank Jaramillo, but he didnt say the words. He didnt Say Anything incriminating. And so now he tried something different, much riskier. Time to get Uncle Jon involved. Coming up hey, frank . Yes. Frank, hey, my names jon. Detectives set a trap. Im the one that can keep nick quiet. Youre going to give me money. But will frank walk into it . I dont really have money to help him out. When dateline continues. This past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. But eventually, with spring comes rebirth. Everything begins anew. And many of us realize a fundamental human need to connect with other likeminded people. Welcome back to the world. Viking. Exploring the world in comfort. Once again. Reentering data that employees could enter themselves . Thats why i get up in the morning i have a secret method for remembering all my hr passwords. My boss doesnt remember approving my time off. Lets just. Find that email. The old way of doing business slows everyone down. With paycom, employees enter and manage their own Hr Data in one easytouse software. Visit paycom. Com for a free demo. After days of repeated calls and interviews with Fred Schockner, detectives had elicited some tantalizing details, but not enough evidence to arrest him for lynns murder. So they decided to focus on suspected middleman, Frank Jaramillo, El Cubano. Undercover Cop Kris Nelson had a plan to set a trap to make frank believe he was about to be fingered by the Hit Man, Nick Harvey. So hed phone Frank And portray himself as a relative of nicks with a past of my own, not particularly liking cops, you know. Im the one that can keep nick quiet. And what are you going to give me in exchange for that . Youre going to give me money. Reporter afraid frank would recognize the trap and hang up on him, Detective Nelson elected to make up a very unthreatening persona. So i thought, well, ill be Uncle Jon, you know, that his mother sent down from the Bay Area to see whats really going on and whats harvey got himself into. So Uncle Jon places a call to El Cubano. Hey, uh, frank . Yes. Frank, hey. Hey, my names john. Now, to set the trap, hed say nick needs money for a lawyer. He seems to think you or fred will help him out. He didnt want a [ bleep ] public defender. Okay. Frank tells Uncle Jon he knows nick, but hes more of an acquaintance. I dont, you know, i really dont have money to help him out. At first frank doesnt seem to take the bait. Yeah, if i can help him in any way, understand, i would. But im sorry, i apologize, i cant. But then carefully Uncle Jon reels him in. Well, he seemed to think that if somebody didnt reach out to him he told me not so much you, but he told me to have you tell fred that if he didnt get some help pretty soon, he was going to go to the cops. Okay. Give me a call tomorrow, and ill see what i can do to help you, partner. But after all that, frank did not make the allimportant and incriminating call to Fred Schockner asking for money. And so the very next day Uncle Jon tried again. Hey, did you get ahold of fred . No, but between you and i, i dont mind taking care of him, bud. Frank asked for time and agreed to meet Uncle Jon in person to hand over some money. Do you know where the Thousand Oaks malls at . Thousand oaks mall. Its off of lynn road. Lynn . Yes, off the 101. Lynn road. The irony was apparently lost on Frank Jaramillo. It was midmorning, late november. Detective nelson was worried. Would he show up . You sit in the Parking Lot by yourself and you kind of Go Over and sure, your heart races a little bit. I mean, its crunch time, and you feel like everybodys kind of depending on you to get this done. You want it to go well. So the idea is youre reeling them in like a fisherman. Yep. But there are times when you dont know whats going to happen. Right. You know . Could have a fray in the line. Have it break. Had that happen a few times. But not this time. There was frank in a brandnew lexus suv. Frank . Yeah, thats me. Thats not an i. S. An i. S. , referring to the less expennive car he said hed be driving. Oh, yeah. My wife took the other car this morning. Thats sweet. Now i know what you spent your money on. Money from Fred Schockner is what the cop meant. Frank did not take that bait. I got to get going. Hard to tell from the video, but Frank Coughs up the money. I got a grand for you right now because theyre still monitoring my accounts. Who is . [ bleep ] detectives. Are they looking at you . Yeah. Detective birdsall was inside a Van Listening to the whole thing go down. And when you finally get something like that, thats gold. That was the nail in his coffin. So the instant he offered that 1,000, you knew, i got him. Yep. We got him. He locked himself into it. And a couple of days later, Detective Birdsall and his partner paid Frank A visit to snap their trap shut. They basically brace him with, you know, who is this Guy John . And you know, its our understanding you gave him some money. And hes like, i dont know what youre talking about. Ive never met any guy named jon. Yeah, you know, i come into the room a few minutes later and whoops. Yeah. It was like The Oh [ bleep ] look of the century. Then he realized youre a cop. Yeah. He just hung his head, and he just looked sick. I think the whole world came Crashing Down at that point. You could see the look in his eyes, like, the deer in the headlights. And then he just started giving it all up. Coming up he would want to beat her with a belt, they would argue. And he would beat her. And then behind closed doors. Did you think thats what all families were like . Yeah. Thats what families did. When dateline continues. N s hide our skin . Not us. 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No one seriously believed what the police now firmly believed that Fred Schockner ordered and paid for his own wifes murder. As Charlies Uncle mark said never in my wildest dreams, even after she was killed, because the circumstances, nothing pointed at fred. And the police did not point at fred. But, said detective Richard Birdsall, they had their reasons. We used them, in a lot of respects. You feel guilty because theyre beating their chests and theyre upset. And they had no idea that the father of charlie is the one that set the whole thing up. Well, remember, maybe some idea. Yeah, i always had my suspicions. In spite of the fact that it was a burglar and the police said it was a burglar. Uhhuh. You still suspected your father . I didnt want to put it past him, as much as like, as a kid you dont want to suspect someone of that. It just seemed false. Like there were little clues, ticks of stuff that just seemed wrong. It started the day his mother was murdered when he and his dad surveyed the house ransacked during the burglary. He had me go back and clean up all the jewelry that had been overturned and spilled out. What does that do to your mind . It made me very numb, very numb. I just it was a task. And i did it, and then i went to bed. And your dad went to bed In The House with you. Uhhuh. Charlie understood his father intimately, of course, and he alone knew the secret, understood his father in a way that had been hidden from the outside world for years. Charlie may have looked like any other happy suburban kid, but at home, he said, he understood normal life to be the constant expectation of moments of terror. Frequent, unpredictable rages. Abuse. A mother desperately trying to protect him. And so he would want to beat you with a belt, and she would try to prevent it, and that would produce an argument between them . And then he would beat her. How often . Often enough that as a child i knew what was going on. But then, that was normal, so i didnt know it was wrong. You thought all families were like that . Until i had friends really come over, and they noticed stuff, and it was weird for them to notice things and to comment on it. But yeah, it was always just thats what families did. Year after year it went on, said charlie, until his mother came to whisper her own secret. She was finally going to leave fred. My mom was tucking me in at night when i was 12 or so, and she was talking about how she was thinking about doing this and that she was so nervous about doing it and didnt know if it was the right choice or what to do about it. Whatd you think . My first thought was very excited because it was just great to be able to think of getting away from him. And then, finally, more than a year later lynn hired Family Law Attorney lisa brandon. What did she tell you she wanted from you . She wanted a fair division of the property. But, said lisa, fred controlled all the finances. So she didnt know how much money they had as a family . No, no idea. How much money did they have, this family . Well, including the equity in the home, probably 6 Million to 7 million. Which in a legal separation by California Law would be split down the middle. But lisa said lynn told her fred would never part with any of that money. Lynn also told her about freds physical abuse. And so with a pending separation, lisa worried about lynn and charlies safety. I wanted her to move out of the home with charlie. She wouldnt do it. She wouldnt leave her home. She wouldnt disrupt charlie. He was just starting High School. Theyd lived in the neighborhood forever. So she was a sitting target. Did she understand that it was dangerous for her . Yes, yes. And yet, she went ahead and did it anyway . Thats how important getting out of that relationship was to her. She was willing to risk her life, and she told me that. Lisa told lynn she should at least get a Restraining Order against fred. It wouldnt make a Damn Bit of difference. Thats what she told you . Uhhuh. Hmm. If hes going to kim me, hell kill me. Restraining orders wont stop him. Too late now, of course. But what about charlie . The detectives, worried about his safety, called Lynns Brother mark. Hed gone back across the country to georgia. And urged him to invite charlie for an extended visit with him and his Wife Susan even though they did not tell mark about their suspicion. I was surprised. I am still to this day. That fred allowed that to happen, but he did. Perhaps fred had more pressing things to think about. Whatever his reason, he put charlie on a plane to georgia just in time for the main event in the murder investigation. Frank jaramillo, under arrest as the alleged middleman, was spilling it all, telling police he took money from lynns husband, a lot of it, and used a little of it to hire the killer, Nick Harvey. And then, with a little polite arm twisting, Frank Agreed to help set a trap for the suspected mastermind, Fred Schockner. Wait a minute. Did you promise him something in exchange . Didnt promise him anything, no. So why would he do it . I think, in his mind, because we got him on everything else, he was trying to dig himself out of a hole. Or maybe frank didnt understand how deep the hole was. As undercover Cop Kris Nelson prepared frank for his big meeting with fred, El Cubano got a call from his wife. He said, hey, im down here with the cops and im helping them. And he goes, ill be home later. He actually thought he was still going home. He even told me, he goes, well, i didnt kill her. I almost wanted to slap him and go, no, you just hired somebody else to. Oh, he must have known. I mean, you got to be blind and deaf not to know that. Youd think. We used to laugh like is this guy for real . Frank set it up, called freds land line, got the answering machine. Hi, youve reached the schockners. Still lynns voice. Leave a message after the tone and we will get back to you. Have a great day. Byebye. Hey, old man, its frank. Just wanted to Come On by and see you and talk to you about a couple things so we can get a couple things straightened up. I would appreciate it. Im going to try you on your cell phone. Hello . Hello. Hello . You there . Yeah. Whats going on, bud . Nothing much. And they agreed to meet 7 30 in the evening at a local restaurant. Ill try to be there on time. All right, bud, thats all. Ill see you around 7 30, bud. All right. Okay, bye. Less than two hours later, frank, wearing the same hidden camera that the detective used to catch him, walked into the restaurant to meet Fred Schockner. I set him up with the camera and the audio. And we got a table, a couple tables away, the three of us, to make sure that he didnt run. So you had your eyeballs on him. Yeah, and we wanted to see Everybodys Reaction and we had, of course, the audio. We had a Surveillance Team outside listening to everything. Coming up one problem. 7 30 came and went. Minutes ticked by. No fred. He was already really paranoid about being set up. Would he show . And what if he didnt . When dateline continues. Everyday item to become dangerous. Tide Pods Childguard Pack helps keep your Laundry Pacs in a safe place and your child safer. To close, twist until it clicks. Tide Pods Childguard Packaging. Hey shaq. Oh hey. Remember when you kept saying we should check out The General for auto insurance, and we buried you in cement . Turns out you were right about The General. Theyre actually a quality insurance company. Lets chip you on out. For a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage, go with The General. This past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. And nearly 60 years of quality coverage, but eventually, with spring comes rebirth. 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Except fred was late. Had he finally realized they were laying a trap . 7 30. 7 33. 7 35. Nothing. If he didnt show, this could all fall apart. Then a signal from the surveillance van. There he was. The Guys Outside saw him coming, casing the place to make sure he wasnt being he was already really paranoid about being set up. Clearly. Came in with his notepad. Hey, old man, how are you feeling . Now all eyes were on Frank And fred. And they both at this point look like theyve been rode hard and put away wet. I mean, just jaramillos tired looking and, you know, you can imagine the amount of stress that must be going through him. And then The Old Man who didnt look like he was doing particularly well either. Did he look frightened or something . Yeah, they both looked scared. They both looked like Trapped Rats on a burning ship, you know . And as they feared, fred was suspicious. He sat down, said not a word. But hed written something on his notepad. At which point, Fred Schockner lifted that note up that says, are you wired . Im not. Very possible. I thought he was going to walk, you know . I thought, you know, this guys going to come to his senses and realize this stand up and turn out and walk out the restaurant. But he didnt. He stayed. And they talked. Frank trying to get fred to admit his role, Fred Deflecting his attempts. You know, you and i would not be sitting here if you didnt want if you didnt want lynn killed, you know that. I dont know what youre talking about. But frank kept going at him, and fred finally let something slip. Im scared, fred. I dont know. I understand. Youre scared too. You have to understand. We would not be in this position if it wasnt for her. If it wasnt for lynn, we would not be here. Thats true. And if it hadnt been sloppy on nicks part, we wouldnt be here either. Fred referring to Nick Harvey, the hired killer. For the first time connecting himself to lynns murder. But frank kept going after him, as if he knew they needed more. We wouldnt [ bleep ] be here if it wasnt for you. We would not be here. We wouldnt. And we wouldnt be here if it wasnt for the way things were [ bleep ] up by nick. Its not a Question Of Being [ bleep ] up. Whats done is done. Okay . He [ bleep ] up. Hes doing you the favor, not me. Hes doing you the favor. If youre talking about [ bleep ] got caught, thats him. Hes doing the time for you. Like watching two old married couples arguing back and forth about whose fault it was that the dinner was cold or something. But, of course, this argument was deadly serious. You have to understand, we need to [ bleep ] erase this problem. This is your problem, Okay . You have to understand. Listen to me. No. Its not my problem. Its our problem. Isnt it . I would have to say its more your problem. Fred was still very suspicious of Frank And asked a few more times if he was wired. Frank, frustrated now, tried to goad him. I killed lynn . Youre saying that i killed lynn . Nope. You arranged. Youre saying i killed lynn. Nope. Who wanted her dead . Answer me that [ bleep ] question. Who wanted her dead . Who benefited from that, fred . Nobody. Frank argued like a man who wasnt acting. Maybe he wasnt. Oh, really . Then who wanted her dead . Me . Answer me that [ bleep ] question. Who wanted her [ bleep ] dead . Not me. The tension between the two seemed to reach a breaking point. If you would back off and allow us to think and talk together you have to understand thats why im here. No, what youre here is trying to incite me to do things. Oh, really . You keep on saying this over and over. Okay, you know what, fred . Why dont you just go home. Why dont you just go home. And thank you very much. And ill tell nick the same. Have a good evening, fred. Why dont you leave, buddy. Have a good evening. Thank you for everything. Whatever money i owe you, ill [ bleep ] pay you back. Get the [ bleep ] out of your face. Because you really [ bleep ] me. You really [ bleep ] nick. Dont worry about me no more. I asked you a [ bleep ] question. You cannot answer it. And just as fred was walking away, frank gave it one last shot. Why dont you [ bleep ] admit what you did wrong . I havent done anything wrong. Okay, and i did everything, right . No, you havent done anything, either, have you . No. Thats what you told me on the phone. You need to quiet Nicks Family. What . You need to quite Nicks Family on your part. Its not my part. I dont have the cash for Nicks Family because you have all my cash. So if you want to give me the cash, ill give it back to you and you can do what you want. And that was it. Maybe not exactly the words Detective Birdsall hoped to hear, but after weeks of dead ends and intense pressure, getting fred on tape saying those things finally made his case. What was the mood in the van you were sitting in . It was elation. Weve got him now. Finally, enough evidence to arrest him. But they didnt. They let him go home just to see what hed do. Lets just see if he reaches out to somebody because now hes scared. Back at the restaurant frank waited for an Allclear Signal from the detectives. And the waiter, whod frequently served the schockner family, stopped by to reminisce about lynn. She was very nice, very funny. Putting frank in a very uncomfortable spot. Theres nothing that anybody can say can he wasnt able to complete his thought, and soon fred would be having a very different kind of conversation with the police. Coming up what a mess. And fred forgot to clean up. He didnt throw out his trash in time. No. When dateline continues. Ws breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. Its a new dawn. If youve been taking copd sitting down, its time to make a stand. Start a new day with trelegy. No oncedaily Copd Medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. 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Frank did not go home to his wife that evening. He submitted to a pair of handcuffs and was carted off to jail. And fred . Well, fred did go home under the watchful eye of the Undercover Cops who also conducted a thorough search of the restaurant for those Notes Fred wrote. They found nothing. Nor did fred Contact Anyone else that evening. And so the next morning we just showed up 9 00 in the morning and caught him in his pajamas and disheveled. I mean, you could tell he hadnt slept a lot that night. Did he look shocked, worried, upset . Very shocked and very upset. Why were we there . And, you know, our response is, were here to arrest you. They took him away. And when they searched his house, they found one last piece of evidence in a trash can. One of those Notes Fred scribbled in the restaurant. Sloppy nick, it said. He didnt throw out his trash in time. Nope. Across the country in georgia, charlie got the news. Yeah, that was another kind of happy moment, to be honest. Thats quite a place to get to in life, when youre happy that your fathers been arrested for murder, the murder of your mother, mind you. Yeah. Its i mean, No One wants to No One would want to actually say, gosh, yeah, thats a good thing. But after everything Growing Up with him In The House, it seems like a little bit of justice. Almost three years after Lynns Death the three men charged with her murder finally went on trial. And detective Richard Birdsall and undercover Cop Kris Nelson, both retired now, were there. Its always nice to see a case all the way through and see it in you know, in my opinion, see people get, you know, what theyve got coming to them. Do they give you a special weird look from the you now when they walked into court The Only One that looked good that day, like rested and fine, was Nick Harvey. You could tell he had come to terms with what hed done. He knew he was never going to see the light of day again. The other two were really struggling with it. They looked really beat. They were so different, the three of them. They were a very unlikely trio of criminals. Wendy thomas russell, a reporter for the long Beach Press Telegram at the time, covered all three trials. Nick harveys was first. I would have to say he was more brawn than brain. He and i dont mean that to be insensitive, but this is a guy who took the Witness Stand in his own defense and he said that he aspired to be a Hit Man, that he he said that on the Witness Stand . Yes. What did you think . I thought youre not the brightest bulb on the marquee. No kidding. So you know, he said that he had toyed around with being a Hit Man, that he had idolized The Hulk as a child, in kred incredible hulk, and he said that he had taken steroids just to get bigger and, you know, stronger. And, you know, it was very hard for the jury to have sympathy for him. And they didnt. The jury found him guilty in about 35 minutes. Firstdegree murder and burglary. Next was Frank Jaramillo. He said that he wouldnt have done it had schockner not threatened his wife and his inlaws. So this was he did it out of fear then. Yeah, he said, literally, he said on the stand that he had sacrificed his life for his family, when we all know that he had sacrificed Lynn Schockners life for his pocketbook. But that was his defense. It was his defense. The verdict, guilty of firstdegree murder. And now it was freds turn. And the man had aged at least ten years. He looked so frail. But this wasnt over just yet. When Fred Schockner took the Witness Stand, he told the jury he could explain everything. Do tell. Coming up he was very defiant and completely maintained his innocence. Will the jury believe him . I had a moment of just sitting there and started crying. I hugged my family. When dateline continues. Nus this past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. But eventually, with spring comes rebirth. Everything begins anew. 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A hushed courtroom in long beach, california. Fred schockner, charged with commissioning the murder of his wife, caught on tape blaming a sloppy Hit Man, took the stand in his own defense. He was very defiant and completely maintained his innocence until the end. I mean, in the face of this overwhelming evidence he maintained his innocence. It was all a tragic misunderstanding, said fred. He didnt pay for murder, just for a used bmw. And all those calls to his alleged coconspirator, El Cubano . Fred said they were wait for it pocket calls. And they proved nothing. The jury had to consider all possibilities naturally, and there was no shortage of nerves among members of lynns family. Charlie, just 17 years old that day, watched the Jury File back in. Its Law Order and everything right there. You sit there, and everyone comes in, and you just hold your breath. The World Kind of stops. You dont know what the outcome is because they have all the power. Whatever they say is either The Truth or what is going to be The Truth. A lot of butterflies in your tummy. Oh, god, yeah. He looked at their faces for some sign. Waited nervously for justice for his mother. What was it like to hear the words . Emancipating. It was just unbelievable. The verdict guilty of firstdegree murder. I had a moment of just sitting there, and i just started crying. I hugged my family. You know, its interesting you say, hugged my family, because somebody who doesnt know the whole story might say, well, you just lost your family. But they dont know the whole story. Yeah. No. No, they were having my Mothers Side of the family, her two brothers and their family with me, it was amazing. It was what families should be. They were all there for me. The judge allowed charlie to address his father in court. I had this whole like speech prepared of this is like vindication of everything, but, i was so angry, was just shaking and not really able to get my words out. But i managed to say, like, im no longer your son. I cant believe you would do this. And just youre going to where you belong. That would be a pretty scary moment, i mean, a nervousmaking moment. Oh, it was terrifying. To know that it was actually going to happen, that this was the culmination of everything. It was a lot of emotion. Also your way of saying goodbye to him. Yeah. Yeah. Through all of this, Fred Schockner maintained his innocence. In fact, even before his trial began, fred did carry out a threat he uttered right after the murder. He launched a lawsuit against the long beach Police Department for not protecting his wife lynn. He went to the city and filed a claim, which is a precursor to a lawsuit against the city of long beach, blaming the long beach Police Department for not preventing the murder of his wife because they had not, you know, followed through, followed proper procedure. Wait a minute. Its their fault because they didnt prevent me from killing my wife . Thats right, exactly, yeah. The claim was rejected. But now, on the day of his sentencing, he tried the same argument again. Chutzpah. That was the yes, that was the Judges Response too. He called it sophistry. And he called him a disgusting human being. And he did not mince words. Fred was sentenced to life without parole. They all were. In a few sentences, what you think the motive in this murder was . Money. Wow, in one word, apparently. For whatever reason, 3 Million or 4 Million was not enough for manFred Schockner. He wanted 6 Million or 8 million. Even from prison Fred Schockner fought to keep it all for himself. Fought his own son, his own blood, tried to prevent charlie from getting a share of the schockner estate. And though charlie was eventually granted some of the money, fred kept millions for himself. Though how hed manage to spend it in prison was unclear. We wrote letters to all three of them, Nick Harvey, frank har mio, and Fred Schockner, asking to hear from them what happened. Fred wrote back and said that he was convicted on highly skeptical circumstantial evidence and that there should have been more than enough to prove my innocence. Nick, now in his 30s, called us. He has matured in prison, he said. Was mad at the world back then. But has found god now. But listen to this. Though he takings full responsibility for what he did, hes also been nursing a strange and very lonely conspiracy theory. Ive always believed the police were involved. You mean they intentionally sent her back there to be killed . Yes. You dont still believe that, though . Well, im not a big believer in coincidence, especially in situations like this. Lots of time to think in prison about things like that. But also about charlie. Oh, Young Charlie. Hmm. He what i did to charlie is haunts me every day. Yeah. You know, i took so much from him. But whether nick knew it or not, charlie was in the very capable hands of his Uncle Mark, whod received a commission from his worried sister lynn before she was murdered. If anything happens to me, Take Care of my son. And he did. How do you feel about that boy . Love him. Yeah. Yeah, this ones going to be tough. I always look back at that moment as the greatest gift i ever received from the man who i still hate more than any person ive ever known. And my wife and i didnt have children of our own. Now ive got the best son in the world. Oh, its been great. Mark and susan are just theyre great. I love them so much. And so in a sad strange way out of unimaginable Evil And Loss came love. A real family. An unexpected blessing. Whats he done for you personally, having him in your life . Its like getting another life. Like somebody opened a door and said, heres a second chance. Youve got a reason to get up in the morning these days. Damn straight. A reason to live. Mark and susan are now his mom and dad. He has taken their last name. And charlie has more than survived. He is thriving. Im going somewhere, and im going fast. He got his masters and landed his Dream Job in theme park design. And he has learned, in spite of everything, that rarest of lessons, to accept and move on. I mean, i know it happened, and i know its influencing me, but its not defining me. But there is one thing that defines him, his mothers character, and that follows him everywhere. My mother was just ethereal. She holds a very special place. Shes just everything that you think of as good, everything that you think of as kind, everything that is just great about people. I thats what she emboied rk and im going to carry that with me. D rk and im going to carry that with me no, it cant be, it cant be. He was so big in my life, the thought that anything bad could have happened to him, it didnt make sense to me. Glamorous, good looking, golden, the dashing hollywood movie executive. He was more like a Movie Star in real life. Just so charismatic. Perfect Southern California family. He completely dropped off the face of the earth