Going to take to find out what happened . It will take talking to a lot of people, thorough investigations. We want to do this expeditiously. We dont want to drag this out. But we want to know i think is kind of like the shot we have as a country to get answers to what led up to it, what really happened and what happened in the aftermath. And so i would expect to see a significant number of subpoenas for a lot of people. Would you support subpoenas to the republican leader in The House and to Jim Jordan . I would support subpoenas to anybody that can shed light on that. If thats the leader, thats the leader. And in those Comments Kinzinger is echoing comments from the chairman of the committee, Bennie Thompson, who says they will not hesitate to subpoena members of congress. From the Washington Post reporting, quote, the leaders of the House Committee investigating the January 6 attack on the capitol are promising a vigorous inquiry into a day they have called a threat to american democracy which could lead to an unprecedented legal and political showdown over how to force members of congress to take the witness stand. The January 6th panel chairmans said in an interview that there is, quote, no reluctance to subpoena any member of congress whose testimony is germane to the committee. I would say between noon and 6 00 p. M. Any call that went to the White House you would assume had to be something to do with it, he said. As if on cue, just last week congressman Jim Jordan coughed up the fact he had contact with Donald Trump on January 6th. Watch. Did you speak with President Trump on January 6th . I spoke with the president last week. I speak with the president all the time. I spoke with him on January 6th. On January 6th did you speak with him before, during, or after the capitol was attacked . Id have to i spoke with him that day after . I think after. I dont know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. I dont know. I would have to go back. I dont know when those conversations happened. How about them apples . And why does it all matter . Well, it means that the January 6th Committee Isnt merely engaged in a Factfinding Mission to understand all the events that led up to the deadly insurrection. The Committees Work is an urgently needed counter to the ongoing threat about the lie of Election Fraud which at this point is more than a lie, its the Fantasy Football Version of a coup delusion. Mark meadows who was intimately involved in the attempt to overturn trumps defeat was on Tv Talking about the disgraced expresident huddling with his cabinet officials. Something we dont think he did much of as the actual president let alone as the twice impeached deplatformed expresident. To the fantasy about January 6th The New York Times adds this reporting. This past week amid the emotional testimony of Police Officers at the first hearing of The House select committee, republicans completed their journey through the looking glass, spinning a new Counter Narrative of that deadly day. No longer content to absolve trump, they concocted a version of events in which those accused of rioting were patriotic political prisoners. And Speaker Nancy Pelosi was to blame for the violence. Their new claims, some voiced from the highest levels of House Republican Leadership, amount to a Disinformation Campaign being promulgated from the stems of the capitol aimed at giving cover to their party. The gops deadly and devoted fantasy insurrection league, yamiche is here, moderator of washington week. Charlie sykes, Columnist And Editor at large of the bulwark as well as an msnbc contributor. And taylor is here, Washington Reporter for Spectrum News who we just aired interviewing Jim Jordan for a second time. I want to start with you, taylor. Congratulations on that incredibly revealing and direct interview. I saw you on twitter, and i tweeted back at you and am happy to have you here today, but how did you pursue this line of questioning . Were you surprised he just coughed up the fact he, indeed being talked to trump that day . Nicolle, its great to be with you. Thanks for having me on. Ive covered Jim Jordan for just about three years and ive watched and listened to pretty much every interview hes given. Hes media friendly and is accessible so theres a lot to keep track of. When i went into the interview, the main objective i wanted to reach was the day prior he had given an interview to Brett Bair on Fox News and Jordan Sort of answered and at one point he said, yes, but then he immediately pivoted into talking about how he always talks with Donald Trump and how hes in constant touch with him, which is accurate. I wanted to find out, again, just to confirm that he did speak with him on the 6th and then say was it before, during, or after the capitol was attacked. And his answer did stand out to me because if you speak or listen to Jim Jordan frequently you know hes a fan of listing accomplishments under the trump administration, frustrations he has with the democratic party. Hes a big list speaker. And he rarely stumbles over himself. So the fact that when i asked him a question of when did you speak with Donald Trump on that day all he was able to say was i think after but im not sure and then he kind of went on and on after that. I thought that was a little bit revealing. It is worth saying he does speak with Donald Trump still very often. He told me last week that he had spoken with him the week prior. He golfs with him weekly and is in contact with his Chief Of Staff. There is a relationship there and its not unusual that they were speaking. Obviously January 6th stands out as a day most of us remember everything we were doing and jordan at least in my conversation with him couldnt remember or at least didnt want to say when exactly he spoke with him. And, taylor, obviously its resonance that his answer to you could show up in a subpoena from the select committee. I want to play a little bit more of your interview and well talk about it on the other side. Why do you think people showed up at the capitol and ultimately ended up attacking it . What do you think was motivating them that day . Youd have to ask them. What i know is the former president is not to blame. In fact he says peacefully and patriotcally make your voices heard. We all covered it. We all heard his speech. Weve watched it and seen it i dont know how many times. We know he wasnt to blame. Taylor, allow me, for our viewers, to refresh their memory, this is the speech Jim Jordan seems to be referring to. Trump said this. Quote, were going to walk down to the capitol and were going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and were probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because youll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We fight like hell, and if you dont fight like hell, youre not going to have a country anymore. I mean, what does Jim Jordan think hes saying, to you . Over the course of Donald Trumps presidency, the way that Jim Jordan reacted to any controversial statement that then President Trump made was by basically choosing what part of the statement he wanted to focus on and disregarding the rest. And there were so many interviews throughout the past couple of years where ive tried to ask jordan genuinely, what did you think about this . Did he cross the line . Hes a masterful messenger in he will choose to focus on what he wants to and choose to disregard the rest. In my conversations with him when i keep asking a similar question if he doesnt answer it directly, sometimes i get some more information from him, but its often hard to crack that because he is so media friendly and does speak so frequently. What i will tell you is that he will very rarely criticize Donald Trump or place any blame on Donald Trump, and i think its because hes realized jordan has been able to basically become a republican superstar under the four years of trumps presidency, and he wants to stay close with him not only if he runs again but because Donald Trump still is very influential within the republican party and its allowing Jim Jordan to write a book thats coming out this fall. Hes traveling to iowa to speak at a fundraiser. He raises millions of dollars each fundraising quarter. Hes kind of at the peak of his political career, and a lot of that is thanks to how he has handled President Trump who weve seen go after any person, whether they were extremely loyal to him or not, for the slightest misstep. And yamiche, all that sucking up will likely result in a subpoena for Jim Jordan. Kinzinger and cheney clearly onboard with the select committees stated plan to start issuing lots of subpoenas. Any reporting on how republican members of congress are expected to respond . I think that is the Big Question. And as weve been having this conversation, the think in my brain is something that happened last week and its that revelation that in the middle of the 2020 election when President Trump, former President Trump, was desperate to have the will of the people overturned, he told Department Of Justice officials not only should you declare the election corrupt, but leave it to me and our congressmen. Jim jordan and many peoples minds but there are so many other congressmen that also might be facing that same question that Jim Jordan is facing. Its clear there were a number of republicans including the ones who v might be called in t testimony. What their response will be, i think, is the big Question Mark here. The democrats that ive talked to including democratic leaders that ive talked to, they indicate that no one is off limits including White House officials and these republican congressmen. I want to say one other thing because i think this story, something thats sticking to me, is the fact that the president and republicans are saying that these conservative supporters who broke into the capitol who had all this violence, that they were treated worse than black Lives Matter activists. I have to tell you as someone who has covered a lot of black live matter protests, people would have been shot. People would have been killed. Ive seen so much less and seen so much more force used against africanamerican protesters that we need to underscore the idea there were a lot of officeers who were using restraint that day, and theres a Big Question on why that is. Here is former President Trump trying to again play the victim here. Its such an important point, and we should never go so far down the Rabbit Hole covering these people and i likened it to its the sort of Coup Version of Fantasy Football where players are make believe players on their team where babbitt is the heroine in their delusions. We should point out the third police officer, a d. C. Metro police officer, who responded to the insurrection from trump supporters has died by suicide today. The sort of point youre making, yamiche, extends to the disregard and the disgraceful way theyre willing to treat Law Enforcement officials who in all of their sort of prior flash points they view as on their side and in their corner. Thats right. You have these officers who are really dealing with a lot of mental health struggles. I remember Harry Dunn during his testimony being called the n word, saying all of these things. In the middle of that testimony he said also to my fellow officers, dont be scared to have mental health resources. Dont be scared to use these resources. Underscoring all of this sort of retelling and recasting of January 6th is a Tourist Visit and all the Stuff Republicans want to say is this real violence, this real hurt that is continuing that people are having to live with and this idea now these insurrectionists are starting to become martyrs and patron saints of the gop. It underscores just how far away we are from reality when were talking about this. Had the people been africanamerican, probably a lot of them would have been shot, just based On My Own reporting. A lot of these officers were really, i think, showing a sort of respect for these people and really trying to defend the capitol without killing these people. I think thats a question that is still something that is lingering in peoples minds and something these officers are very hurt about when they think about the way they were disrespected on that day. Charlie sykes, there is a quote that caught both of our attention. Let me read it and well talk about it on the other side. Ron brounstein said this, no matter how hard conservative columnists and commentators try to obscure it, the evidence keeps mounting trumps movement infused in Racism And Authoritarianism is the dominant Gop Faction too big for almost any party skeptics to openly oppose. I think its time to abandon any pretense that everyone other than Kinzinger And Cheney isnt now complicit in what is revealed. I think a pivot is required now. There have never been two sides to the trump question, but this is now a proinsurrection, proAshley Babbitt, antiLaw Enforcement republican party. How ironic is it that the justification for throwing Liz Cheney out of leadership the republicans wanted to move on, right . They didnt want to relitigate all of these issues. And yet every single day, every single week, we find out more of what Donald Trump and his supporters were doing to overturn that election. By the way i had the same Reaction Yamiche had. The story of the president on the phone with the Department Of Justice saying you just declare it corrupt, i will do the rest along with my cronies. This is the Pattern And Practice of this president. That January 6th was not a single discreet event that can be seen in isolation. It was the culmination of an effort by a sitting president of the united states to use his power, all the levers of power, that he understood to overturn this election to block this election. To your question, republicans have been hoping it was going to go away. They want to move on to something else, but theyre not going to be able to do this. And, in part, im increasingly optimistic this January 6th committee will come up with new information. The aggressiveness on subpoenas is really kind of Eye Opening and keep in mind one of the things that has been a dramatic game changer, one of the things that makes this committee so much different than the Impeachment Committee is the fact we have a new Attorney General and a new Department Of Justice. So if the republicans decide that they are going to defy the subpoenas and refuse to testify, this committee then can make criminal referrals to the Department Of Justice. Now i dont know what the Department Of Justice is going to do, but this is a very different Department Of Justice under Merrick Garland than the Department Of Justice that republicans could count on to look the other way when Bill Barr was in charge. So, again, republicans may think they dont have to choose. They may think they can continue to kind of look at their shoes. But this is not going away. And youre absolutely right were getting this portrait after democracy under siege undermined in the most corrupt possible way including political violence. And besides Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney, youre not seeing republicans lining up. But im not sure that this is the winning issue that some of them apparently have convinced themselves. By the way, im still reeling from the news Jim Jordan is writing a book. It will be a great moment in american literature. We dont know much about it yet. I want to press you on something, charlie, you said January 6th was the culmination. When you hear Mark Meadows sounding Bat Bleep crazy with his cabinet, he doesnt have a cabinet. Its not clear, even the best reporters didnt give us much evidence they did much more than praise their leader for the cameras. I dont think that January 6th was the culmination. If you sort of jump out of reality into the delusion, the only reason to turn Ashley Babbitt into a martyr is not because that was the culmination but the beginning of something darker. I wonder what you make of all their actions since January 6th. Okay. So i withdraw culmination and i will throw in an Inflection Point because it does appear this is ongoing. And my big fear is that all of this was a rehearsal. That failed coups are not just an end, that they lay the groundwork for whats going to come. And i guess part of it is the normalization of things that were unthinkable just a year ago. And i know weve had this happen over and over again. If we had been told before the election that the president would not only deny that he lost, okay, we assume hes Donald Trump, but that he would so actively try to overturn the election, that he would be on the phone trying to Bully Election officials in arizona and georgia, try to get legislatures in places like Michigan And Pennsylvania to overturn this, that he would be on the phone to the Department Of Justice asking for their help, that he would gather a mob to go to the capitol to intimidate the Vice President into refusing to count the electoral votes. You would have thought we were crazy. This was beyond the wildest paranoia of trump derangement syndrome. But now the republican party is looking at this. They know what actually happened. Were okay with this. If theyre okay with this and they are continuing to change the laws, the electoral laws based on this big lie, it is legitimate to say that if theyre okay with this, what else will they be okay with . Yes, this was certainly not the culmination as in The End of the story. Taylor, i want to give you the last word and i will ask you your sort of perspective on Jim Jordan is up close and local, which matters most, i would assume, even to him. Do you think hell respond to a subpoena or will relish the fight . He enjoys being in the spotlight. One of the reasons i think he was looking forward to serving on the select committee he can treat it as he quoted it as Impeachment Round three. I think in certain ways he may respond to a subpoena as saying this will be a stage where i can deliver my message and for the people who love him which includes many people in his district, ive been there many times, they will enjoy seeing him fight back. The question is when you bring a subpoena into the situation, you bring in a lot of potential legal consequences for things that are said or that are not said or things that are not said accurately and i think thats where Jim Jordan may have to decide what makes sense for him going forward. Is Donald Trump going to call him up and say of course i want to you sit before the committee and defend me and our messaging, which Jim Jordan is stow good at putting out there, or will he call him and say do not acknowledge this committee is legitimate. I want you to fight it in that sense. Jim jordan has proven in his extensive career hes not afraid to get before the cameras, get before the committee. Thats his favorite environment and where he excels. When ive spoken to his constituents on reporting trips theyve told me thats what we like most because hes speaking for us and fighting against what they view as the establishment and the swamp here in washington. Yamiche, i will let you bring us back to reality here. The truth is, as charlie said, this is the republican party betting not the trumpiest base which John Bolton would attest is shrinking by the week, but the kinds of voters they lost in 2018 and 2020 will be down with this. That is still, even in this polarized postinsurrection, american political moment, a very, very farfetched political bet. Its a political bet that is very farfetched but a political bet theyre willing to take. Former President Trump is believing that if he can continue to create this alternate reality where these people are martyrs and he can continue to try to convince people that an election that was free and fair and declared so by federal governments and intelligence agencies, that he can convince enough people that he is actually the person who should have rightfully been the president and these people were doing his bidding in a good way. I think the thing that really underscores all of this is the Threat Charlie is talking about, the threat that continues. Im reminded by an immigrant from haiti who i interviewed before January 6th and that person said President Trump had a lot of supporters, and violence could really take place. Democracy is fragile. He said americans might not understand that because theyre from a country where democracy has worked but these things can fall apart and they can fall apart quickly this is how democracies fall apart, when people start believing the systems that are working, that they somehow arent working and when elected officials including our congressmen, the people President Trump thought were going to have his back, if the doj just turned over that election, those are the people that are now handed the responsibility to try to keep this democracy alive. I think thats a big open question, one that we should continue to focus on and one that is a really scary part of whats going on. Its so important. We are covering the potential demise of democracy in our own country. Yamiche alcindor bringing it back to where we should be focused. And, taylor, we will keep our eyes on you. I am sorry i did not credit you properly the first time i played the interview. Congratulations on it. Well continue to call on you for your Great Reporting. And the great Charlie Sykes is sticking around a little longer. When we come back in a moment, we are living under the heightened risk of political violence. What could be going through the mind of the most powerful republican in The House of representatives when he makes comments about assaulting Speaker Pelosi . We will count the ways with one of Speaker Pelosis allies in The House. And vaccinations are surging again amid rising fears the Delta Variant, 7 in 10 adults have now received at least one shot and the White House is rolling out the influencers to help reach young americans. Well explain. 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Calls are mounting for House Republican Leader Kevin Mccarthy to apologize or even resign for remarks he made about Speaker Pelosi at a fundraiser where he was handed an oversized gavel. Listen to what he said about it. I want to you watch Nancy Pelosi hand me that gavel. Itll be hard not to hit her with it. Mccarthys spokesperson says Kevin Mccarthy was joking, but that joke comes just months after a deadly insurrection where a Mob Of Trump supporters stormed the capitol many, if not most, looking for Speaker Pelosi. Threats against her featured in dozens of January 6th cases being prosecuted right now today by the justice department, that includes the case of richard barnett, the man seen here putting his foot on Speaker Pelosis desk. He allegedly left her a vulgar note. The select Committee Release this had chilling video showing an Insurrectionist Picking up a phone in the halls of the capitol. Can i speak to pelosi . Yes, were coming, bitch. Were coming for you, too, [ bleep ]. This conducted was not lost on the speakers office. The spokesman for Speaker Pelosi tweeted a threat of violence to someone who is a target of the January 6th Assassination Attempt from your fellow trump supporters is irresponsible and disgusting. Joining our coverage democratic Congresswoman Madeleine Dean of pennsylvania, an Impeachment Manager during Donald Trumps second impeachment trial, and a member of the Judiciary Committee and someone we turn to often on issues around January 6th. But i think this might be a really important clue as to how the most senior republican in The House views all of this, as a joke. Hes joking now about violence towards Speaker Pelosi. And its not funny. Nicolle, its very good to be with you. And i was thinking about it and listening to that Audio And Thinking does mr. Mccarthy think hes some 1960s vulgar comedian . Hes not. Hes not funny. Hes the alleged leader of the republican party in The House. And so what he has said and what he has done in his votes, in his Floor Debate that was actually called a statesmans dinner. He was certainly not statesman like. He was indecent. He was vulgar. He was threatening violence against the speaker of The House. He shows utterly no respect. Its unacceptable to me. Ive been witness to it on the floor. Ive been subject of it on the floor. This man i think has gotten ahead of himself. He began that Audio Clip by saying he looks forward to winning the majority. I predict he will not win the majority, and i believe he is such a failed leader tethered to an even bigger failed leader that he will not hold on to his minority leadership. And the republicans used to i dont know how to put it pretend to try if not appeal to women, not totally offend him. His embrace of Marjorie Taylor greenes freedom to be whoever she wants to be in his ranks, and now this sort of, in his words, joke, i dont think it was a joke, this loose talk of violence towards the speaker. What is it like up there among this largely male republican caucus and the rest of their colleagues . Well, it isnt funny. It is really revealing of who mr. Mccarthy is. Hes weak and hes appealing to a shrinking base, as you heard in that awkward set of laughter following his statement. But what ive seen on the floor, youve seen it in Floor Debate, and ive seen it up close. He approached me with that same sort of Bullying Attitude when i asked him about his former support for a bill of mine. He physically leaned over me. I had to physically put my hand up and say, youre not being appropriate. Back up. It just doesnt surprise me. But also what people can see very publicly this is the same man as the leader of his party in march of this year voted against the reauthorization of the violence against women act. Thats who he is. That is his failed leadership. He lifts up the weakest. He lifts up the most vulgar and not substantive of members of his party, and he shuns those who lead this is a man, of course, who stood up after the insurrection and said that the president was responsible. This was days after it, an insurrection where people came in incited by the president to assassinate those next in line of succession, his own Vice President , Speaker Pelosi, and any other member of congress that they could have gotten their hands on. He stood up and said the president is responsible. And then, of course, has cowered away. So Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are onboard with subpoenas for any and all material witnesses. In separate interviews they have both described or at least one has described Kevin Mccarthy and now Jim Jordan as material witnesses. Do you believe we will see the day when they testify before The House select committee investigating the January 6th insurrection . I was interested in a conversation you just had about whether Jim Jordan fights the subpoena or comes before the committee. Im going to predict he does both because he loves a negative spotlight, though hell both fight the subpoena and then revel in coming before the committee with nonsense. These are shrinking members of their party. Theyre shrinking and shriveling in the face of what will be revealed by the facts. It was very telling when mr. Jordan suddenly couldnt remember whether he had talked to the president before, during, after the insurrection. It was a really memorable day. You would remember if he spoke to the president that day. What do you think their End Game is . The select committee now is going on without Kevin Mccarthys participation, the crisis is now clear, a third Law Enforcement official who responded to the deadly insurrection has died by suicide today. There is a current warning from the department of Homeland Security about an ongoing threat of domestic violent extremism. The former Chief Of Staff is on Tv Saying Stuff that would be crazy if it didnt also have a threat of the expresident huddling with his cabinet. There is no cabinet for an expresident. He doesnt even have twitter. What in your view or what do you hypothesize the End Point is . I think their End Game is, for those actors were talking about right now, is desperation. They are desperately trying to figure out how they get out of this as unscathed as they possibly can. They see their power is shrinking, their base is shrinking, as more and more of the truth is revealed. The president obviously willing to call his own Department Of Justice and say just call it corrupt. Ill take it from there. So these folks were talking about a wouldbe leader, a failed leader, mr. Mccarthy. Mr. Jordan and some of the others are desperately trying to avoid how to avoid culpability and remain in power. In the meantime the committee is meeting and getting to work based on the truth not distracted by the nonsense and the Clown Car that would have been mr. Banks and mr. Jordan. Theyre going to move forward. Theyre going to get to the facts. I had the chance to be with the four officers who testified before the Committee Tuesday Of Last week. I had the chance to meet them at dinner along with the commander, their commander for the d. C. Police. So my extraordinary heartbreaking sympathy for the d. C. Police in the loss of their colleague, the officer who was among those who responded and saved our lives. Thats what i cannot understand among the leaders on the republican side. Their lives were saved by these Police Officers. How dare they disrespect them. How dare they try to defund them. And how dare they try to distract from getting at the truth. And conversely their life was threatened by Ashley Babbitt, who was trying to storm through the door there. And if it wasnt, i hope the select committee will get to the bottom of that as well. Congresswoman dean, thank you so much for spending some time with us. Up next, the White House says firsttime shots are beginning to climb, and thats a really, really good thing. What its taking to get people who may have been on the fence or skeptical vaccinated now and how can the country keep the new momentum going . Our experts weigh in next. 5g Network and now we want to be the first to give everyone the joy of 5g, by giving every customer a new 5g phone. Old customers. New customers. Families. Businesses. Every customer. From these bakers to these bakers. Hello new 5g Phones when you trade in your old ones. Cracked, busted, sticky buttons and all thank you. Upgrade your phone. 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From The Times Reporting State and local governments have begun similar campaigns,some cases paying local micro influencers, those with 5,000 to 100,000 followers, up to 1,000 a month to promote covid19 vaccines to their fans. It could be adding to what the White House says has been a steady increase in the number of people getting their first shots of the vaccine in just the last month. Today the country announced that 70 of adults have had at least one shot of the covid vaccine. Lets bring in dr. Gupta, Policy Health Expert and Affiliate Assistant Professor of Health Metrics Sciences at the university of washington. Charlie sykes is still here. Dr. Gupta, this feels like when people have anxiety about the Delta Variant frustration that their fellow citizens who are unvaccinated are bringing about this new surge, this seems like a big flashing good News Banner that vaccinations are way up again. Good afternoon, nicolle. It is. And i think this is part of a really smart, comprehensive strategy by the White House to employ influencers. One thing ive seen work directly is education on site at the point of inoculation particularly at Work Place events where vaccines are going into the arms of workers, at factories, you name it, other frontline facilities. And you know why thats important, nicolle, weve talked for years about how Health Care Access is inequitable, that we dont i bet a lot of people are outside of the public health system. They dont have a trusted medical provider that they lean on for information. And were facing the reckoning of that. What i hear from people, young people, even those with preexisting conditions, hey, doc, i havent had the chance to even ask these questions of somebody. Were recognizing that people consume information differently, nicolle, because they dont have the same level of engagement with the Health Care System as many of those who have gotten vaccinated do. Things like threat perception, allergies. I get this from my fellow vets that, hey, doc, i had a bad experience with the anthrax vaccine. Thats a really common Theme Youll hear in the military community. Am i going to get that with the covid vaccine. Are they going to need three shots instead of two given the way theyre interpreting the news about the Delta Variant. People just want that direct engagement more than anyone else. I want to be really specific here and i want you to be really specific with our viewers, the Delta Variant is a scary phase of the pandemic but im guessing the vast majority of viewers watching right now if theyre older than 12 are vaccinated. What does the Delta Variant mean to them, dr. Gupta . If youre fully vaccinated, nicolle, and you are otherwise healthy for all the viewers that dont have an immunocompromised condition cancer, recent chemotherapy or high doses of steroids for rheumatoid arthritis, its a long list, about 4 of america but if thats not you and youve received two doses of the vaccine, ideally pfizer or moderna, you will not end up in the hospital with the Delta Variant. Is there a chance you could test positive and you might even have mild symptoms like the common cold from the Delta Variant . Yes. But heres the reality about vaccines, and i think this is where the Cdc Misplaced Expectations back in may, theres no vaccine out there for Respiratory Virus like Flu Or Covid that will give you something that we call Sterilizing Immunity, meaning you are never going to test positive and youre not going to end up in the hospital. That vaccine just doesnt exist. The only vaccine that causes Sterilizing Immunity is the hp vaccine. The vaccines for covid give you effective immunity, nicolle. Thats the key piece. They will keep up out of the hospital. And thats really important as we think what success looks like. Success looks like hospitalizations coming down. Vaccine rates going up as high as possible. But us not worrying about the level of Case Transmission necessarily because were not going to be able to control that. Thats what covid as an endemic disease looks like. So, charlie, it is really good news i will put up the averages of the numbers of people getting vaccinated in texas, louisiana, florida and missouri, almost twice as many people now have taken shots in texas. I think its about three or four times in louisiana. A big uptick in florida and almost double in missouri. Thats fantastic news. The tragedy they were at those numbers on the right in the first place. I appreciate and actually am really in awe of dr. Guptas lack of cynicism. But a lot of people that are sick right now with covid are sick because they first suffered from the disease of disinformation, and they were so addicted to their political tribe that they were getting all their information from people who were vaccinated, by and large, lying to them. What do you think about the fact that seeing people in their communities in their lives sick is what it took to get those numbers to tick up . Well, look, those numbers need to continue to tick up. I would say over the weekend i was disturbed by some of the scare headlines we got about breakthrough infections with people with Delta Variant. The reality is, as the doctor mentioned, these vaccines work as they are designed to work, keeping people out of the hospital. The Death Rate is almost zero. There should be no doubt this is all about the vaccines. If you are vaccinated, this is not a problem. However, we have millions of americans who are not vaccinated and continue to get this disinformation, continue to get disinformation from cable news, from Talk Radio hosts, from the united states senators, unfortunately, including the senator from my own state. And at some point i do think we need to make a pivot from simply public information campaigns to say, look, this is the price you need to pay to live in civil society, that we need to begin to use vaccine passports, proof of immunization, which are routine. Anyone who sends a child to school knows how many immunizations you need to have. I think its a positive step that more and more companies and organizations are now mandating this and, quite frankly, psychologically, i think it works for people who might have been on the fence or feel embarrassed to their tribe to say im going to get vaccinated. When they say, hey, i had to get vaccinated. I had no choice. Whatever the result is, the more people vaccinated the less likely it is we are going to have to have more Mask Mandates, more shutdowns, more sickness and more deaths. This is something that i think we need to consider very aggressively. Dr. Vin gupta, thank you for spending some time with us. Charlie is sticking around. Coming up for us, the expresident s powerful million Dollar War Chest keeps growing as do the lies about his Election Loss in 2020. Well explain how theyre connected next. Qunol is the Number One cardiologist recommended form of coq10. Qunol has 3 times better absorption than regular coq10. The brand i trust is qunol. Someone once told me, that i should get used to people staring. So i did. Its okay, you can stare. When youre a twotime Gold Medalist, it comes with the territory. If youre 55 and up, tmobile has plans built just for you. Switch now and get 2 unlimited lines and 2 free smartphones. And now get netflix on us. 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While the expresident is out of office and has been deplatformed on Social Media sites, he maintains a massive online Donor Network he can lean on should he wage a 2024 comeback bid. Sam stein is here and Charlie Sykes is still here. The reason you cant ignore him is because as a deplatformed, twiceimpeached inciter of a deadly insurrection, he broke a record in terms of fundraising for an expresident. We have to examine the words we use. Political war chest. For what . Most expresident s go on to do philanthropic thingsz. Clearly this guy doesnt think that way. Well, no. Thats an understatement, he does not think that way. Hes not in the Philanthropy Game quite yet, maybe never will be. He clearly has his eyes on another run for office. He has been pretty vocal about it. He has told associates that he thinks he can make another run for the White House, and hes amassing a fortune to do so. 102 Million cash on hand is nothing to scoff at. He can use that to build a political team, an operation. Very little of it is being used to fund actual republican entities right now, which is what he is supposed to be Working On, the 2022 elections. Instead, it seems he is hoarding It Waiting for the White House run in 2024. So, yeah, you cant ignore it. He is the 30,000 Pound Gorilla in the room so to speak. What he does with that money will determine the future of the republican party. Charlie, speaking of 30,000Pound Gorillas, if he were a Diet Pill he could be sued. You Cant Lie about health claims for a supplement. But because he is a politician, he is taking in money from his supporters with a flagrant, demonstrably false claim that he lost because of rampant fraud. Right. There was no fraud. Bill barr said so. Chris kreb said so. Theyre being bamboozled. Yes, what a surprise that Donald Trump, instead of building a president ial library, would launch the largest, most successful Scam Pac in american political history, but thats what it is. It is a Scam Pac. Sam is absolutely right. This is why attention has to be paid because 100 Million is a great deal of money. It could have a great deal of influence, and this is going to determine the shape of the party. That fact is one of the reasons why republicans continue to keep their heads down despite the fact that the embarrassment and the horror continues to mount with their association with Donald Trump. Sam, is there anything i mean what is the fundraising looking like on the other side . What did the democrats raise in the same amount of time . I dont have the totals in front of me for biden, but we know he brought in a fair amount of money because he transferred a substantial amount, 15 million, to the dnc. From everything you hear, the fundraising is not necessarily going to be a huge problem for democrats heading into the midterm cycles, even though you usually have a historically bad cycle for the party in power. The question that theyre confronting is voter engagement. Can they get people interested in the elections in offcycle races when Donald Trump is not on the ballot . Thats the Big Question that they face. Theyre doing an Advertising Blitz over the summer to keep people engaged, but thats the big Hurdle Biden has in front of him. Sam stein, Charlie Sykes, thank you both for spending time with us. The next hour of deadline White House starts after a short break. Dont go anywhere. We are just getting started. Get. Ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, now introducing ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. At usaa, weve been called too exclusive. Because we were created for officers. But as weve evolved with the military, weve grown to serve all whove honorably served. 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Are we going to fight for the right to vote . Are we going to give up until we get it . No were going to push through. Were going to push through until we win this. Hi again, everyone. It is 5 00 in the east. A fourday, 27mile Soundlessstyle March in texas culminating with a rally at texass state capital, all aimed at turning up the pressure on the u. S. Congress to pass federal voting Rights Legislation that would counter the Fullout Assault by the gop on the right to vote. It is under way in texas and in State Legislatures across the country. That Rally Led by former Congressman Beto Orourke and the Reverend William Barber was a show of support for the texas democrats who fled to washington, d. C. Last month to prevent a special legislative session from having a quorum and thereby halting the passage of the restricting Voting Bill in texas the Houston Chronicle writes this. Saturday marked the third time in as many months that former u. S. Representative Beto Orourke has headlined a voting Rights Rally at the Texas Capital and democrats hope to keep momentum with just a week left before The End of the Special Session in austin. As demonstrators finished the last leg of their march, they greeted a crowd in front of the capitol holding signs, texas deserves better. They sang along with those on Center Stage as they belted out the labor movement anthem, we shall not be moved. Those texas democrats who have been in d. C. For weeks fighting to protect democracy are getting reinforcements. The Washington Post has this. More than 100 State Legislators from across the country will converge in washington On Monday to join their texas counterparts in pushing the Senate And President biden to take action on voting reform legislation. The lawmakers represent more than 20 states including some in which republicanled legislatures have passed or are considering new voting restrictions, and will urge senators to pats the for the people act or at least show progress on a federal Voting Law before their summer recess. Without any movement on the filibuster, we all Know By Now the for the people act is all but doomed. However, the Washington Post Editorial Board makes the case that democrats in congress have not yet run out of options. They write this. Quote, their initial attempt at passing Voting Legislation, the for the people act, was a sprawling bill that contained such varied provisions as an ambitious public Campaign Financing Scheme and judicial ethics requirements that is far moore than simple voting improvements. This made it easy for republicans to argue that the bill was not really about fair elections but a broader democratic social reform program. Democrats should streamline the bill so it is more focused on Voting Provisions that no one committed to democracy should oppose, such as early voting requirements, universal voter registration, Mailin Ballot standards, Election Security measures and other obvious reforms. It looks like such a bill just might be in the works. Last week several senate democrats met to work out a revised voting Rights Bill, one they said could be released in the coming days. The urgent need for federal voting Rights Legislation is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. Jackie alamainer, author of the Washington Post power up newsletter. Joining us, madd dowd, political Strat Ji and founder of country over party. Eddie glaude is here, chair of the department of africanamerican studies at Princeton University and an msnbc political analyst. I am excited to talk to all of you. Jackie, i want to know from you. I had the privilege of speaking to a lot of the texas democrats who are in washington. To a person they all say, we like the for the people act a lot, but we just need an inch, we just need something. The only thing that is unacceptable, the only thing that leaves in place the 389 laws racing through 48 states is nothing. I wonder if thats had an impact. Did that loosen up the Law Making and legislating in the senate . Yeah, nicolle. My apologies, my dog has chosen a really time to start barking. Thats okay. Mine just made a lap through the basement studio, too. Look, whats the message we are hearing from lawmakers time and time again now, especially from these texas lawmakers, is that constitutional rights should not be jeopardized by procedural tradition. Weve now heard that echoed by House Democrats. These texas lawmakers testified before House Democrats last week and they felt like they really accomplished their mission, which was communicating just how restrictive these Voting Rights that are going to be implemented in their states and that have already been enacted in 18 states around the country without congressional action. I feel like a broken record here, but, you know, as you have noted and as we have noted over and over again, this is where this all comes back to the argument of the filibuster. Yes, you have The House thats going to introduce a revised version of the John Lewis Voting Rights Act on friday, which is the anniversary of the date that President Lyndon b. Johnson signed the voting Rights Act of 1965, and you have senators who are Working On a trimmed down version of the for the people act, similar to what Joe Manchin introduced a few weeks back, a month or two ago when the for the people act failed, and he said that he was open to some compromise there. But at The End of the day without scrapping the filibuster, the challenge is still two fold for democrats. Yes, they need to craft a bill all 50 democrats will sign on to, but democrats still need to get ten votes from republicans and a party that does not believe election laws should be made at a federal level and whose electoral portions are hinged on the issue. This is the galvanizing and animating issue for the republican party, that and inflation, and Election Fraud alarmism and the campaign to pass laws that supposedly remedy the nonexistent problem of Election Fraud have permeated their message from top to bottom. Trumps claims of Voter Fraud are being exploited in a variety of different ways, from grassroots rallying cries that rationalize that the election was stolen to restrictive Voting Laws that have been passed. It is a symptom of the Disinformation Crisis we have seen through the republican party. How democrats will address that still remains to be the question. Matt dowd, im going to say something thats going to sound harsh, but im going to say it anyway. The fact that theres more passion on the republican side around enacting laws predicated on absolute Horse Poop than there is on the democratic side to blow up the filibuster is why democrats lose elections. Bingo. I mean the problem is the democrats are still acting as if were in a world that no longer exists, and republicans are operating in the world, the political world which they actually have created in many ways, of The Ends justify the means and whatever it takes to do whatever they can to keep and retain power. Thats the place we are. Until democrats get out of this place of denial, you know, some democrats are, ill give many of them credit, and most are out in the states working their butts off to get whatever they can done. As you led into this piece, i mean theyre not asking for the Forest Fire to be completely put out. Theyre just asking for a few buckets of water from washington, d. C. To make some attempt at it in this point in time. The idea that were arguing over voter rights, which has been fought over in many ways, both domestically and internationally for over 200 years, and were in the problem that we have is a traditional rule that has always mostly been used to block what the majority of the country wants, most of the time it has been used for nefarious reasons. Thats the situation we are in. You know, democrats right now, the ones Coming Up from out of the states, theres a twofold strategy here. The first one is short term. Theyre not putting pressure on republicans. Theyre putting pressure on democrats, is what the democrats from out of the other states are doing. This is not for them in the short term about republicans. This is for them in the short term about getting other democrats to do what is right. The long term is about republicans in the 2022 election and fighting this fight if they lose it now in trying to defeat republicans overwhelming, which as i have told you before, were at a point in our democracy speaking as a former republican that the only vehicle to save our democracy and to preserve Voting Rights is to defeat republicans overwhelmingly in a series of elections. Eddie, let me again try to say this carefully but clearly. The problem with the Pressure Campaign by democrats for democrats is that that should be done. Democrats hair should be on fire so they can move on to making it politically untenable for republicans to oppose things with 6953 public approval, things like automatic registration, things like making it easier to vote by mail. The Problem Isnt just this intractable Love Affair that Joe Manchin has with the filibuster and it would appear President Biden as well. The problem is democrats are so selfabsorbed that they cant make the broader political argument to make it politically devastating for republicans to oppose making it easier to vote. I think you are absolutely right, nicolle. The way i have been thinking about it is like this, right. So republicans are trying to shrink the electorate. Theres the obvious political strategy here. Theyre trying to shrink the electorate. In some ways, you might be crass about it, theyre trying to cheat. Also, what theyre doing is making an argument, an existential claim about the country that the argument around the vote is really about who matters. So it is a question around the character of the country that feeds into January 6th. It feeds into the Culture Wars that we are fighting right now. So the vote is a front. It is a battlefield about the Quality And Character of the country. The democrats are arguing process and procedure. Theyre not arguing about the Quality And Character of the country. Theyre not making right. The moral argument, and so theyre losing ground in this regard. I was reminded of this quotation from Ralph Waldo Emerson in 1851 in response to the fugitive slave law. He said, when a moral quality comes into politics general principles are laid Bare Which Cast A Light on the whole frame of society. So here we have an attack, an assault on voting, and were not addressing who we are as a country. Instead, the democrats are sitting here playing politics around the filibuster. They have no idea how to fight this battle at the existential level and at the moral level it seems to me, nicolle. Jackie, i want you mentioned the filibuster. Let me show you the most recent sound of Joe Manchin making clear hes not touching the filibuster. I cant imagine a carveout because i was here in 2013 when it was called a carveout. We are just going to do the cabinet for the president and then it went into were going to do the judges who are Lifetime Appointments for circuit and district, they were even going to do the Supreme Court. The democrats were in control. 2017, Mitch Mcconnell is in control and then he came in and the carveout carved us pretty bad and then you have the Supreme Court. So theres no stopping it. Theres no stopping it on the republican side, that is the truest thing he said. If the shoe were on the other foot, we wouldnt even be having this conversation. I guess what is so opaque to me still is do democrats not want this . Do they not want federal rights Voting Legislation . You know, i Cant Answer that question for you, but what i will say is that as you have noted, public pressure is still well and alive and working. We wrote a profile on senator jacky rosen, a senator from nevada, two months ago. She had previously been tiptoeing around the issue of the filibuster. Said that when the time came if she needed to make a decision, she would make the decision then. She has always said she is a loyal party soldier. You know, if someone like Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer asked her to scrap the filibuster, maybe she would consider it. After that article published, a few hours later they provided us an updated statement saying she was in favor of eliminating the filibuster in order to preserve Voting Rights, that, you know, she viewed it as a constitutional, fundamental issue that, again, this idea that procedural tradition should not trump constitutional rights. Mark warner recently changed his position on the filibuster. I do think that there still remains a handful of senators, Joe Manchin being perhaps the most unmovable one, but that public pressure does work. When senators are called and the spotlight is put on to them and they have to be accountable for where they stand on this, you see them slowly shifting. I think that what the issue might be right now is theres not maybe as much of a sense of urgency. But, again, 18 different states have passed restrictive Voting Laws so far, and the closer and closer democrats get to midterms the alarmism is rising. Theyre calculating how these democrats at a local level, are calculating how the laws are going to depress Voter Turnout and theyre worried. Theyre trying to ring those alarms even louder right now. So the alarm could be found, Matt Dowd, in the pages of the ajc and The New York Times and all that have covered what has happened in georgia. Theyre trying to Disempower Local Election officials. The problem with these bills, i guess the moral crime with the bills is to disempower and target access to the polls by the kinds of voters who havent voted for republicans now in a good long while. Black, brown, young, female voters. But the other travesty, the other assault on democracy and this is where im shocked and jackies reporting is spot on, that there isnt alarm about disempowering the kind of Election Officials who walk the line, who are today getting Death Threats because they didnt overturn the results of the people in their state. A lot of them were republicans and none of them will be the referees by the midterms. Well, you know, were having this Conversation Today is james baldwins birthday, you know, the famous writer, civil rights leader, who fought, was discriminated against, pushed on all kinds of the same moderate leaders that sort of stand on process and stand on these sort of old traditions. He had a great quote, which he said was everything that is faced, it cant be change, but nothing can be changed until it is faced, right . I think democrats have to finally face this idea. Democrats make unbelievably great specific arguments on process and policy. Theyre absolutely horrible on values. Democrats are horrible on making a values argument, and elections are won and lost and the mind of america is won and lost based on value, fundamental values. Republicans understand that. Thats why they appeal on Culture Wars. Until the democrats made a broad valuebased argument, based in the constitution, based in the idea that all men and women are created equal, based on inclusivity, not running away from inclusivity, not running away from diversity, not running away every time someone tells them theyre being politically correct in this, wade into this cultural argument because america has fundamentally changed. America is a diverse, multicultural democracy. Republicans understand that, which is why theyre pushing impediments and why theyre putting this up. They fully understand that. Democrats have to make the argument thats a good thing and we need to pursue that. Until they make that values argument, theyre going to keep losing this and losing this and losing this. So, eddie, our man Matt Dowd has quoted james baldwin. Im going to give you the last word. I want you to speak to not what democrats should do. It is abundantly clear what democrats should do, but what the country should do. I think part of the problem is the whole impetus is on democrats. There are a whole bunch of voters out there who dont vote for the same party every election year. They typically determine which party prevails in midterm elections, and they care a whole lot about fairness. They care a whole it is hard to vote in a midterm, as i think you have all pointed out. Theres not, you know, president ial atop the ticket race. They want to make sure that they vote, that it is counted. Just talk about a new frame for this issue. We have to dare to be otherwise, nicolle. We cant keep doubling down on the old ways that brought us to now, and it seems to me folk have to muster the courage to acknowledge our failures so that we can imagine ourselves anew. Thats abstract. But i think matt hit it right on the head. We have to make the case for a new america. The america that we live in every single day. If we dont make that argument, the old argument will hold. It will stand. So i think it is really important in this moment for us to step out of our comfort zones, to leave the legends and myths behind and dare to risk being otherwise. Thats going to require joe biden, President Biden, it is going to require Speaker Pelosi, leader schumer, democrats across the board, independents across the board, black, white, it is going to require us all to do something bold. What baldwin said again, indifference makes us all blind. We cant be indifferent to this charge, nicolle. We cannot be. I want to play that in my head again after this hour is over. Jackie, thank you so much for your Great Reporting on this story. Apologize to your dog for interfering in the dogs afternoon. Matt and eddie are sticking around. 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It is proving nearly impossible though in this pandemic of the unvaccinated because of republican leaders running against lifesaving public health guidance. Case in point, the governors of florida and texas where right now as we sit here today about onethird of all u. S. Cases are coming from. Ron desantis, floridas governor, is now leading the nations covid epicenter. His state just reported the most covid cases ever in a single day, more than 21,000. While the governor has banned Mask Mandates in schools, keep in mind every human under 12 has no vaccine. Over in texas where cases and hospitalizations are now at the highest level since february, that states governor, Governor Abbott, just banned Vaccination And Mask requirements by local and state governments and private businesses. We are back with matt and eddie. Matt dowd, we invoked your Home State Governor and the floor is yours. I mean Governor Abbott is if you looked up craven in the dictionary, it would have Governor Abbotts picture next to it in the dictionary. He is so bad. I think governor desantis, who everybody was giving him some sort of blue Ribbon Label in the midst of covid because of everything he had done now has the highest rising cases of anywhere in the country, i think 50 of all of the new cases are in texas and florida, both of whom were lauded by republicans in the midst of this, to me we are at a fundamental point in this. Throughout the history of our country we have always had a tension between individual liberty written into our constitution and the pursuit, Written In The Constitution of The Common Good and common welfare. They under you needed both, individual liberty and the ability to do what is in the common welfare of the country. Republicans have decided that i is more important than we. They have no interest in The Common Good. They have no interest in the common welfare of the country. They have no interest in pursuing something in a nonpartisan way, even if it saves lives in the midst of this. We are at the point now, texas now has more covid deaths than new york. Governor cuomo was lambasted for months and months and months on Fox News for everything that was going on in new york. Texas is now worse than new york. Fox news doesnt say a single word about Governor Abbott in the midst of this time. So we are seeing the deadly results i mean that literally. The deadly results of pursuing only policies that focus on the I And Nothing about the we, and the idea that getting people to wear masks somehow interferes, to wear a mask in a crowded theater or a restaurant or wherever it has to be, somehow interferes with their right to be an american has become ludicrous. Protecting our grandparents, protecting our children, protecting anybody thats vulnerable by simply requiring in some places, in some places to wear a mask or to get a vaccine is just absolutely outrageous. Think about what weve lost in this country. More than 600,000 people. Think about, we lost less than 3,000 people on 9 11. The opportunityry came together and we actually misspent 4 Trillion on a series of two wars that lasted 20 years. We are doing nothing compared to that. We have lost multiples, multiples of more people in the midst of this and our Country Cant come together in this because the republicans only care about i. They only care about i and theyre not interested in we. Eddie, i dont say it often, it is actually worse than that. They dont care about i until theyre intubated and then they have Death Bed pleas to their Loved Ones to get vaccinated. I want to ask you about, you know, one of the most effective matt was talking about how republicans weaponize culture issues, none so effectively, even more so than guns, is abortion. They have taken it to a point where i think in texas where neighbors are asked to tell on neighbors in policing reproductive freedoms in that state, of which there are quite few. Very, very limited. This is a prodeath position that these governors are taking on masks and on vaccines. Theyre now indifferent to life. The media should be very, very, very reluctant to ever cover objectively the republicans as a prolife party. They are not. You know, nicolle, you are absolutely right. Many of them are politicians of death. We see this extraordinarily toxic convergence of cynical, corrupt and Cowardly Leadership with a sustained misinformation program, often funded by right wing big Money Machines as jane Meyers Piece in The New Yorker detailed today. It all has had an impact in realtime because we are losing people, over 600,000 people are dead. I talked about not too long ago the civic blackouts in our country. Yeah. Well, we have in some ways one of the fuses is this kind of, the depth of the disaster of leadership. Cynical, corrupt, Cowardly Leadership. When all of this converges it puts our democracy in peril. I think you are absolutely right, nicolle. Absolutely. You know, i listened to Don Winslows video, matt, and i wondered it is beautifully done and it is Jeff Daniels Voice and it is a beautiful message, but i dont know we are that country anymore. What do you think . Well, here is what i think about that. I think it is a great message, but i think a third of the country would look at it and just go, you know, bananas over the idea that somehow like why should i wear a mask if it is going to save people or why should i get a vaccine if it is going to save people in this. I think this is my view. I think the majority of america is that country. I think the majority of america is that country. But going back to the last segment and eddies original point is that we have institutions in our country that we have constantly lauded, that we still retain that dont allow the majority of our country and the heart of the majority of our country to be heard anymore. Then we have a lot of sort of Milquetoast Politicians that are unwilling to fight the battle we are in for the majority. I think what we have because of the processes, put the filibuster in the bucket, put gerrymandering in the bucket, put certain segments of the media in the bucket that dont allow The Voice of the majority to be fundamentally heard. We have politicians and i say this somewhat hesitatingly. We have a lot of politicians who are too weak to actually stand up for the majority of the country. That is the crisis, and we will stay on it. Matt dowd, eddie glaude, thank you for spending time with us today. 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We cant go on recess. We cant go on vacation when millions of peoples lives are at risk. That was democratic Congresswoman Cori Bush. She is now about to enter her fourth Night Tonight of sleeping on the steps of the u. S. Capitol to protest The End of a federal ban on evictions. Bush, who herself was once homeless, says she wants the biden administration you heard her there and congress to act immediately to extend the Eviction Moratorium. It ended last saturday. It was put in place by the cdc last september to protect millions of tenants who were facing financial challenges because of the pandemic. An effort to extend the moratorium failed in congress last week, and now with covid cases once again surging across the country the lives of millions hang in the balance. According to the census bureau, nearly 11 Million people are behind on rent, and now renters are required to pay any payments they missed. So all of that back money is due as well. Joining our conversation, Congresswoman Barbara Lee of california, the cochair of the democratic Steering And Policy committee and the former chair of the congressional black caucus. Were grateful to get to talk to you today. So much going on. First, tell me what the latest is this hour in efforts to extend the Eviction Moratorium. Thank you very much for that question, nicolle. First of all, let me just say Congresswoman Cori Bush is correct. I just want to thank her for pricking the conscience of the country because throughout the country people have to understand where we are. We are, first of all, in a state of national public Health Emergency at this point, and the biden administration with the stroke of a pen could extend this Eviction Moratorium. We need to do that because this is a public health crises. Secondly, we need to pass congresswoman waters bill. We need to do that as quickly as possible and returned to washington to do that. But in the meantime millions of people are going to be kicked out of their homes if, in fact, the administration does not extend the moratorium. So were working each and every day, every hour to try to convince the Biden Harris Administration and the cdc to extend the Eviction Moratorium. Let me just put up for our viewers some numbers of humans, households, people who are affected. 16 of all households are behind on rent. 29 of renters in mississippi, 28 of renters in south carolina. Black renters are more than twice as likely to be behind as white renters. The source there is the center for Budget And Policy priorities. Congresswoman, let me read you some of what i understand to be one of the legal and policy hurdles for the White House to not just take care of this at their level. The Wall Street Journal writes this. In june the Supreme Court rejected an Emergency Request to clear the way for evictions after the biden administration said it would extend the moratorium for one final month. Justice Brett Kavanaugh voted with the 54 majority to keep the moratorium in place but issued a concurrence saying he believed the moratorium was unlawful and was willing to leave it in place for july. None of those sort of legal and Policy Machineations probably matter to all of the millions of people possibly facing evictions in the middle of this Delta Variant surge. I wonder if you feel like everyone at the table is clear on the legal and policy predicaments before them . They need to be clear if theyre not because, in fact, when the Supreme Court issued this decision, the Delta Variant wasnt taking over. People werent the virus was not being transmitted in the way it is being transmitted now. Secondly, the cdc has the authority to extend and to issue a public Health Designation in terms of an emergency, and the biden administration needs to insist that that happen so that they can go ahead and extend the Eviction Moratorium. It is a moral disgrace. You saw the numbers there, the figures. When people are evicted, they become homeless and then the virus will be transmitted even in larger numbers. So the biden administration needs to understand the facts on the ground now. Those facts on the ground were not evident and they werent there, quite frankly, when, in fact, the Supreme Court made this decision. So this is unconscionable and theyve got to act and act quickly. I want to switch gears since we were lucky enough to get to talk with you on a day with so much swirling in the news and ask your thought about the first week of public hearings from the select committee investigating the January 6th insurrection. Do you support subpoenas for your republican colleagues if they have information that might shed light on Donald Trumps State Of Mind and public statements and private conduct that day . Nicolle, i believe that up to the chairman, chairman Bennie Thompson of the committee. Hes a very smart, a very objective and a very clearthinking chairman who will issue subpoenas should the facts determine that thats what his course of action should be. Of course, we know there are going to be many who are going to have to come before the committee, subpoena or not, because we have to get to the truth. We have to get to the bottom of this. The insurrectionists, the white supremacists almost completed a coup detat. They were responsible for the deaths of many. They came to assassinate members of congress, the speaker, the Vice President. We must get to the bottom of it. The truth must be told by any means necessary. I want to get your thoughts as well on what feels like a legislative quagmire. You have Senator Manchin quite devoted to keeping the filibuster in place. You have the texas democrats basically in exile keeping their state from passing a Voter Restriction Law there. What is the current state of talks . I know The House has done its work, but what is the status of a more narrow federal voting Rights Bill passing the senate . Theyve got to do this, nicolle. It is my understanding theyre negotiating. We have to pass hr1 and we have to pass hr4. What is taking place now is all of these Voter Suppression laws that the states are passing are really taking away the right to vote of africanamericans, people of color, young people, people in rural communities. This is unacceptable. So we have got to have federal protections, and these negotiations are moving forward. I hope that those republicans also should understand that our democracy requires that everyone have the right to vote, and taking so long to do this im hoping is because theyre moving forward. Weve got to get the dark money out of politics. Weve got to make sure that access to voting is easy so people can exercise their constitutional rights. Congresswoman barbara lee, thank you for spanning the days topics in the news and spending time with us. Were grateful. When we return, the return of Simone Biles may be the big headline out of tokyo, but theres also been a podium protest, a plea for asylum and a sharing of a Gold Medal. We will have all of it for you after a short break. Dont go anywhere. Water . Why . ahhhh incoming ahhhahh im saved water tastes like, water. So we fixed it. Mio. Managing type 2 diabetes . On it. On it. On it, with jardiance. Theyre 22 Million prescriptions strong. Meet the people who are Managing Type 2 Diabetes And Heart risk with jardiance. Jardiance is a oncedaily pill that can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. So it could help save your life from a Heart Attack or stroke. 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With ecommerce that runs at the speed of now. Next Day And Twoday shipping nationwide, and returns right from the doorstep. Its a whole New World out there. Lets not keep It Waiting. There is a Years Worth of stories, story lines happening right now in tokyo. If you havent been keeping track, the belarusian sprinter who reportedly feared her life was in danger this weekend after being forcibly ordered home by her government for criticizing her coaches is safe as of this afternoon following whats being described as a standoff at tokyos main airport. The japanese government has so far protected the 24yearold Olympian who has reportedly been offered a humanitarian visa by poland. Focusing on the actual competition, really good news. Looks like we will get to see Simone Biles compete against before the olympics are through. The gymnastic legend is expected to compete in the Balance Beam Tomorrow following a break from competition to focus on her mental health. As for her teammates, we wont spoil the results of todays events for those of you like me who watch in the evenings, but credit where credit is due. Theyve done an excellent job. Really, really good. Coming up on 7 00 a. M. In tokyo right now on day 11 of the olympic games. The u. S. Leads the total medal counts, china has the edge on gold. Joining us, Bill Rhoden, columnist for espn, host of the Bill Rhoden sportscast. It is a pleasure to talk to you. I am merely a fan of all of this incredible Skill And Talent and heart we are seeing, but i wonder just of the stories we ticked off what strikes you . It is a tie. It is a tie. But i think from if we filter this through a united states prism, Simone Biles coming back, because she really has been i think the story of the olympics and a great story of the olympics. You know, we just showed the Gold Medal total, you know, and i think these olympics are just sort of cornucopia of excess of how many golds and how much gold. I think, you know, that for Simone Biles who comes in as one of the most decorated athletes in olympic history, is certainly the greatest gymnast to coming in having all of the gold and the expectation is she was going to get more gold. For her to step away and just say, hey, listen, enough, enough, i need a break, and that is such that is such a break from what we expect of athletes. We tell athletes to push through, grit it out, suck it up. And no matter what it means for your longterm health. I think for Simone Biles in front of the world to say time out, and i think also to give two of her teammates an opportunity to shine. So i think from our standpoint, thats from my standpoint, thats the best. The story about the Belarus Sprinter is just a reminder of how political these games have always been. These olympic committees try to have it both ways. I think from my perspective, Simone Biles is the top story, but the Belarus Sprinter is just a reminder, just a sad reminder of how political by the way, the mere fact that theyre even having these games is a reminder of how these games are political and economic. I want to put up something that ive watched three times now. This is raven saunders expressing her right to protest. Let me show this and well talk ab it on the other side. A lot of the athletes we talked about, what was going to be our stance and what do we stand for. And x pretty much represents the intersection of where all people who are oppressed meet. Im a black female. Im queer, and i talk about mental health awareness. I deal with depression, Anxiety And Ptsd a lot. Me personally, i represent being really at that intersection. For me i decided to use my platform to speak up for all of those people. The contribution that these athletes have made to destigmatizing mental health and in her words, Anxiety And Depression and for simone saying mental health is physical health is incalculable at this point. The Courage And Willingness to put themselves out there is truly going to transcend these two weeks. When they say mental health issues, thats another example. Were all dealing with that. Were all dealing with some version. So i think we all are there, and i thought that what she said was powerful, strong. We all can relate to it. Leave her alone, you know. You know what im saying . Its tremendous. Again, the mere fact that these athletes have come to tokyo in the first place in the middle of a pandemic to compete, i dont even want to hear a peep about punishing them or doing anything. We should be cheering for them. By the way, i think that as sports journalists, we never quite always take mental Health Injury seriously. You know what im saying . We filter through gut it out, tough it out. When somebody says mental health, as journalists sports journalists, come on, suck it, be mentally tough. Hopefully what theyre doing is create a whole new category on the injury report. I need to step away. I need a break. So these are i dont think that we should have played. I dont think we should have had these games, but this is something thats great thats come out of it, the whole focus on mental health issues, emotional health issues. Athletes as human beings more than just playing for our enjoyment. I must say, and the greatest story i think are the two high jumpers who decided to share the Gold Medal. Ended on a happy note. Yeah. I love that kind of stuff. You know what i mean . I love that kind of stuff. Do you guys want to jump it off . No, no. You take the gold and we take the gold. Well share. Let me share this with our viewers, bill. Stay with me. This is the other olympic moment i wanted to tell everyone about. The two friends of more than a decade, as it happens, it was just them competing for gold. The two athletes, one from qatar and the other from italy were essentially tied, having both completed their jumps flawlessly. The judge asked if they wanted to jump off, the two friends decided to share the Gold Medal. The world watched as they hugged and celebrated their first olympic gold together. If youre wondering, yes, ties do happen just about every summer games. Rarely do they happen like this. I can barely read this without crying. I wanted to show those images and fill our viewers in. Youre right. Theyre there in the middle of a pandemic when im scared to go to the Grocery Store without my mask on. These games are about our shared humanity, gives People Something to cheer for. Thats how we should watch. Ill get beyond we shouldnt be there. We are there. A lot of these young athletes are fulfilling their dreams. Its great. The picture of the two athletes the ioc will kick them out for sharing. What do you mean sharing . Theres no sharing. Sharing . Are you kidding me . I think thats just a great moment and even for simone to take a break and say its okay for all of us, in our industry particularly. Our whole thing is crying and pushing through. She said, you know what . Take a break. Sometimes you need to step away because the games will go on. Our corporations will go on. I really respect her tremendously. I respect i respect all the athletes who are there tremendously. Less respect for these institutions that run these games, but thats another segment for another time. To be continued. Phil, im going to call on you this week. Well watch together at night and ask you to come back and spend some more time with us this week as we head into the final days. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. We will be right back. My pleasure. A lot of storage in a small space. 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