Negotiators are still ironing the details out of the bipartisan bill, which is expected to focus on physical infrastructure. However, Progressive House democrats are already signaling that that package doesnt do enough to address their needs and they want the second bigger bill done first or at least at the same time. They want to insure their separate legislation that would invest in child care, paid leave, and combatting climate change, does not get sidelined. Heres what Mondare Jones told me last hour. These are the things that must be in that larger reconciliation package. And its whats going to get me to the table to support that much, much pared down bipartisan Infrastructure Package that still leaves out so much of what americans urgently need in this moment. However, arizona democrat, Senator Kyrsten Sinema poured cold water on her partys hopes of passing her partys larger package. She said, quote, while i support the beginning process, i do not support a bill that costs 3. 5 trillion. Joining me now is Senator Debbie Stabenow of michigan. Shes the chair of the democratic policy and Communications Committee and the chair of the senate agriculture committee. Senator, good morning. Good city you. Thank you for being with us. I worry about the language i used. I said the senate is ironing out the details of this big bipartisan infrastructure bill. Are we even at the Detail Phase yet . Well, ali, first of all, always great to be with you. Yes, we actually are at the Details Phase of the bipartisan infrastructure bill. I was up late last night working on the details. So that we can get this final language done, thats what the bipartisan group hopes to have done today so we can move forward starting with amendments and so on. You know, let me step back and say theres an old saying that says you dont want to watch Sausage And Legislation being made. I mean, this is the Sausage Making of legislation. And what im focused on, what my democratic caucus is focused on, is not which bill, where, and so on, but what were really trying to get done for folks. Yes, we want as much bipartisan support as possible. If theyre willing to support roads and bridges and taking out all the lead Water Pipes in the country and connecting everybody with highspeed internet, great. Amen. But we also know that were going to create tens of millions of new jobs tackling climate crisis. Were going to continue the biggest middle Class Tax Cut in a generation, and were going to bring down the cost of the things that keep people up at night. Child care, the cost of medicine, the cost of college. I mean, were committed to that. And you know, whatever twists and turns it takes, however long it takes, were just going to be here until we get it done. Look, in your state, you need all of it. You need the physical infrastructure, bridges, roads, but the things that keep people up at night are important. The struggle that seems to be there today is that some people need convincing that if its not physical infrastructure, it doesnt fall into this category of something we should spend this kind of money on. How do you make that argument to those who would not support the larger bill that deals with these other i dont know what word you use to describe it, the Noninfrastructure Stuff that causes people to struggle. First of all, i believe all senate democrats are in agreement now. We can talk about numbers, but the reality is were supporting moving forward on the things republicans are willing to support, and were all willing to move ahead to create the Budget Resolution. Again, Sausage Making. We pass a Budget Resolution with a top Spending Number in each area and well spend the rest of august putting together those details, come back in the fall, september, and pass the final bill. Every democrat is saying im supporting the Budget Resolution. Move forward on this process to be able to get this done. And frankly, over the years, when you look at what needs to happen around Health Care, unfortunately, we have never really had bipartisan support on most of it. Medicare, what, over 50 years, i think 56th anniversary this week on medicare and medicaid. That was done by democrats with president lyndon johnson. The aca, affordable care act, done by democrats. So we know that there are certain kinds of things that were just not going to get republicans to support. Unfortunately, for the people of the country, that means lowering their cost of child care, lowering the cost of medicine, lowering their cost of college. And we are very excited im very excited about the idea of having medicare cover a senior getting glasses or their Hearing Aids or being able to go to the dentist. We can get that done, thats huge. The problem is, you may get no republican support on that, but you will certainly get republicans enjoying it, and youll probably get republican legislators bragging about what the government has brought them because those things you talk about are things americans want. No question. I dont know any republican who turned back the 1400 check, right . You know, i dont know anybody who supports the former president who said no, no, no, i dont like the way this is done. It was only democrats that passed the rescue plan. Here, heres my check back. Thats just not the way it works. We know that. But we also know that, you know, the majority of people in this country, working people in this country have been waiting a long time to have Somebody Focus on them. And the great thing is we can do the things im talking about and pay for all of it by just having millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share in this country. You know, the republicans are going to spend all of august talking about how we support the biggest Tax Increase in the history of the world. No, no, no, we just think its not a Tax Increase if a billionaire pays more than zero. This is about, you know, making sure were right sizing the priorities of this country and focusing on Working Families who need some help. Senator, good to see you. Thank you again for joining us. Senator Debbie Stabenow of michigan. Well keep in close touch with her and the senate as she called the legislative Sausage Making is going. This Friday Marks seven months since the deadly January 6th insurrection. The further we move away from the date, the further republicans are moving away from the reality of what happened on that day. In the days after a violent mob attacked the nations capitol, republicans overwhelmingly blamed the expresident for what happened, and some top gop officials even discussed cutting ties with him completely. Well, that moment of introspection didnt last that long. Were seeing republicans increasingly attempting to rewrite the Narrative And Cloud that day in a haze of partisan conspiracy theories. A new analysis scribes some of the republicans this way. No longer content to absolve mr. Trump, they have concocted events where they were patriotic, political prisoners, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi was responsible for the ce this vow is signaling a new low for republicans. Its potentially dangerous. A dangerous new era, in fact, in american politics. But republicans continue to embrace the former president and his lies despite a desperate attempt on his part at selfpreservation. The House Select Committee Investigating The Insurrection has wrapped up the first hearing but its cheer the probe is just getting started. The chairman of the panel, bennie thompson, is nalling there will be no reluctance to subpoena any member of congress to testify, and they will seek the white House Telephone and visitor logs to further investigate which lawmakers were in touch with the Oval Office that day. Congressman thompson tells the wall street journal, i would say between noon and 6 00 p. M. , any call that went to the White House, you assume it had something to do with it. Joining me is california democratic Congressman Pete aguilar, a member of the house appropriations committee. Good to see you. Thank you for being with us. When i heard Elise Stefanik and Kevin Mccarthy the other day talking about Nancy Pelosi being to blame, i thought it was sort of normal everyday rhetoric that comes from them. Its actually the beginning of another Big Lie. Its another thing. Theyre actually convincing people, and its being played on other networks that somehow Nancy Pelosi and democrats were behind this, for those who already thought it was antifa and blm. Its wild, and its dangerous. And this is behavior that we clearly we have seen from the expresident for a loss that was very clear in a free and fair election, but it is incredibly dangerous when my colleagues get on the steps of the capitol and hurl another Big Lie like you said. Its frustrating because we see the video, we see the tape. We heard these four Capitol Police officers who put their life on the line and were the last line of defense of that democracy. And its just flat out dangerous. Lets talk about how this committee goes and what it does. You had a very big first hearing. What happens now . Congressman thompson has talked about subpoenaing people in congress, and some of your colleagues in congress may need to be subpoenaed. Were finding out some of them were in contact with the president. We want to know about that, but those four Police Officers wanted to know about who else is behind this and what sort of planning went into it. How do you get there . One step at a time. And we deserve to give that, but were going to have to start pulling the threads. Well continue to have conversations. If individuals want to give us information willingly. Others may not want to be so forthcoming, so well use every tool in the toolbox to compel folks to share, but anybody who knows information about January 6th leading up to the 6th of the planning and funding, as you mentioned, as well as the response and how we see these images, those are the things were interested in, so we have a team around us, and well start laying those Building Blocks to make sure we ultimately get to the truth. Thats what this is focused on. There are democrats and republicans at that table, in a nonpartisan way, well get to the truth. You and i have talked a lot lately. Since the last time we talked, two things have happened. The Department Of Justice has told former trump officials you are welcome, you will not get Executive Privilege for not talking to committees investigating this, and then we learned from reporting that Donald Trump had called the acting Attorney General at The End of december several times and was cajoling him to call the election corrupt. So theres more flesh on the bones of what happened leading up to January 6th, not just what happened on that day. How do you thing about investigating all of that in addition to what happened on that day . Absolutely. That is completely fair game, and that is part of what the House Resolution we passed required us to do. So we will talk about what led up to January 6th, all of these conversations, but again, this isnt surprising for the american public that the former president would try to subvert democracy by casting doubt on a free and fair election that he lost. Thats why he was impeached the second time. So that piece is not new. That document is. But we knew that that was the type of behavior that this individual moved forward with, so now we will find out who funded this, what other conversations, how the Big Lie was perpetuated and how the individuals became so spun up to try to force an insurrection on our democracy and on our united states capitol. Congressman, good to see you this morning. Pete aguilar of california, a member of the select committee to investigate January 6th. The Vice Chair of the house democratic caucus. Republican congressman Jim Jordan finally admitted a few days ago he had actually spoken with insurrection former president on the day of the insurrection, but he quickly reversed course, claiming he cant remember the timing of what he said or even if it was on January 6th at all. Well, the former republican national Committee Chairman Michael Steele is having absolutely none of it. I can tell you the time, the place, the date of every conversation i have had with every president of this country, period. Going back to bill clinton. I can tell you where i was. I can tell you what was said. This Son Of A [ bleep ] is sitting up there asking like, i dont know if it was before, i dont know if it was after. I dont remember. I have to look at my notes. You know what time you called the president. And you know what you said. My god, yes. Youre a grown ass man. Llions struggle to get reliable transportation to their medical appointments. Thats why i started medhaul. 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All this has many thoughtful experts criticizing the cdc over mixed messaging at a time when convincing americans to trust the science is a Life Or Death proposition. Yesterday morning, i spoke with dr. Rick bright who resigned in protest over political pressure on Public Health agencies in the trump administration. Now, to be clear, hes not alleging anything like that here, but he was critical of the way the current administration is communicating to americans about the dangers of the Delta Variant. Its painful to watch the delay in the messaging coming out to the american public and people around the world. We have known about the threats of this formidable foe, this Delta Variant, for seven months, as we watched it rip through india, when Singapore And Israel and the uk now come into the united states. This should not be a surprise to us. It is really disappointing that news is still being delayed coming out of our Public Health agencies woo i know are working really hard to get in front of this virus. Joining me is dr. Francis collins, director of the national institutes of health. Last year in an era of unprecedented Misinformation And Disinformation coming from the government, you were an honest, straightforward person who would come on here luthe time and tell us what was going on. We knew there were real problems, real conflicts last year in the administration between the Health Agencies and experts. We think most of that is gone, so why are we still having a Messaging Problem . Well, i think lets be fair here. One of the reasons is that the situation has changed. The Delta Virus is not like what we were dealing with last year. It is so much more contagious. And we now have just in the last week this evidence from massachusetts that while its rare, vaccinated people can in fact carry the virus at fairly high loads, and therefore could be part of the transmission of this illness. We didnt really know that before. So i sort of get a little irritated with people who call this flipflopping or changing your position. You should change your position when you have new data. We wouldnt criticize a Stock Broker for saying you should sell this week and buy next week because its based on whats happening. Oh, wow. I cant believe you went there with a business reporter. That was good. Ill give that one to you, dr. Collins. Youre right, when youre talking about your investments, you should change your mind. Were talking about all of the people who are vaccine hesitant and those saying, look, if you can still get this thing when you have the vaccine, why should i bother getting it, theres another side to this, too. Earlier this week, i was reporting we have some of the highest numbers of vaccination we have had in a while. The highest number of vaccinations in july came in the last week. So some people are reacting differently to this. Theyre saying, hey, i better get my vaccine. They are. And maybe were at a Tipping Point here. I hope so. In the last two weeks, vaccinations have gone up. Newly vaccinated people, 56 , places like louisiana, which is having a terrible outbreak with delta right now, threefold increase in the number of new vaccinations. I think people that have been on the fence are beginning to figure out, wait a minute, i dont want to be one of those statistics to add to those 620,000 people who have already died. And yeah, i do hope, you mentioned this a minute ago, the fact that rarely vaccinated people can still get infected and potentially transmit the virus, think carefully about that. Almost all of those people have either very limited symptoms or no symptoms at all. The people in the hospital, the people who are dying, 95 , 98 of those are unvaccinated. You dont want to be part of that statistic. The vaccines are still by far your best personal hope and the best hope for your family. Theres a longstanding american aversion to anything that sounds like a mandate or a requirement, but people like you in the Health World know that we do mandate certain things, and they have worked in the past. Whats the distinction right now . Theres pressure on the fda to give full approval to these drugs. Does it make it easier or better for at least companies and agencies to mandate that their employers get the vaccine . And do you think thats a good idea . Well, you do have a firmer legal position as an employer to mandate vaccines if they have been fully approved, but thats not an absolute requirement, apparently, because many companies are doing this. You may have just seen disney and walmart and google and facebook and a long list of others coming out and saying, hey, if youre coming to our facilities, you have to be vaccinated. The federal government now, and i run an agency of 45,000 employees, and contractors, now saying okay, folks, if youre coming to work, you have to be vaccinated. If not, you have to undergo regular testing which is going to be very inconvenient. I welcome all of those steps. If we want to send delta packing, this is a really important step to go forward. It should not be so easy for unvaccinated people to remain in that state when theyre putting the rest of us at risk. What do you do about governors . In texas, they have actually said, they banned the idea that anybody or any locality can mandate vaccines. There are people who are actively working against this kind of thing. How does that get handled by agencies and by the administration . Well, again, im not a political person. Im a scientist, a physician. It hurts me to see politics getting in the middle of these really important Public Health decisions. I do wish that leaders would step aside from whatever political considerations might be guiding them and say what is the best way to save lives . Were still losing about 300 people a day. If youre a leader of a state or a county, wouldnt you want to be doing the thing to reduce that number . Whatever it takes. Even if its unpopular and even if its inconvenient, we have to get through this. The best way to do that is follow the sieps and not the politics. Whats your best way of convincing people who are hesitant . I understand people are hesitant for different ways and there are people so dug in that someone like you cant convince them, but people on the fens and theyre worried historically about vaccines or have culture reasons. Whats your best argument . The first thing i try do is listen because everybody has particular reasons for their hesitancy, and its really important to give them a chance to say what those are. And most of those will turn out to have really good answers once you know what they are. I guess if theres one fact that i think really has had the most significant impact, maybe its why vaccinations are going up now, is this notion that hospitalizations and deaths from covid19 are almost entirely happening to unvaccinated people. This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. And you dont want to be part of that, so you have a chance to not be part of those statistics. Roll up your sleeve. Dr. Collins, good to see you as always. Dr. Francis collins, director of the national institutes of health. Despite emotional and passionate pleas from lawmakers like representative cori bush, congress has failed to extend the pandemic Eviction Moratorium. That means millions face eviction and an uncertain future. Get outta here. 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If you do find yourself with an Eviction Notice on your door, no matter where you are, experts all agree the number one thing you can do is find an attorney. The more you can get that advice, the better, because these processes can move quickly. Theres a lot of complicated paperwork. If youre doing it for the first time, its likely you can make a mistake. Talk to that attorney, get that advice. You can go to your local federal legal services office. Theyre usually free or they may refer you to a nonprofit legal provider for eviction cases. When you go, its important to bring the receipts. Documenting everything you can, if you can take photos of any interactions you have with your landlord, take photos of your possessions or anything that could be used in Court Proceedings to help defend your case. Even if you havent yet received an Eviction Notice, experts urge if youre struggling to pay rent, you should access the billions of dollars of Rental Assistance made available by the federal government. There is a historic amount of Rental Assistance available. The biden administration has allocated over 46 Billion to renters in the u. S. , but what we have seen is that rental Assistance Money is not reaching people in time. So what that means is tenants who are waiting in line for their Rental Assistance checks to clear may face eviction in the weeks ahead. Theres plenty of that assistance to go around, but not all of it is being used. Nbc news contacted all 50 states and the District Of Columbia about their Emergency Rental Assistance programs. Of the 41 that responded, 26 have distributed less than 10 of their first allocations. The stakes are high as this Eviction Moratorium comes to a close. The same communities that have been affected by layoffs, that have been affected by covid19, they may be at risk of both losing their homes and also contracting, you know, covid19 or the Delta Variant at this critical time. But the impacts of an eviction can last long after a family is out the door. The consequences of an eviction will be multigenerational. Thanks to nbcs Mara Barrett for that report. My friend Jonathan Capehart spoke with one of the lawmakers fighting to extend the moratorium. She, as we discussed yesterday before you spoke to her, she knows of what she speaks on this one, jonathan. She does. She talked about how she slept in her car with her kids, with her family. So for her, its not performative, as you well know, its a lived experience. And shes leading by example there on the steps of the capitol. But as always, we have a packed show. Were going to be talking about the new reality of covid. Well talk to two of our favorite experts, Laurie Garrett and dr. 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If theres one thing 2020 proved, its the power of the black vote. After a year that saw a Safrbage Pandemic that disproportionately killed Black Americans, multiple people killed at the hands of police, and a civil rights movement, black america decided it was time for a change, and they got change, thanks to Record Black through the, the democratic party controls the house, senate, and White House for the first time in a decade. Exit polls found Joe Biden wont the black vote in a landslide, taking 88 . Donald trump pulled in 11 . Massive turnout in philadelphia helped flip pennsylvania. Same thing in detroit, michigan. Even georgia went blue thanks in large part to the black vote. Black voters, particularly black women, have become the backbone of the democratic voter base, but it didnt happen overnight. It took years of intense activism by countless volunteers and leaders. Women in particular like stacey abrams, latosha brown, deb law scott, all of whom you have met on this show. The political power of Black Americans was virtually unmatched in 2020. Democrats could sense it. They leaned on it. So one would assume after all of that, the democratic lawmakers would spare no effort to protect that constituency from the numerous injustices that routinely come their way. A thank you of sorts for showing up when the country, when democracy itself, in fact, needed them. But thats not exactly how its going. According to the brennan center for justice, 18 states have enacted 30 laws this year that restrict voting in american states, and most of those laws disproportionately suppress the vote of people of color and others who live on the margins. Thats Bad News for black voters. The good news is that fighting for Voting Rights is not new for them. They have waged a centurieslong battle. Thats why when you have seen acts of Civil Disobedience from black lawmakers and activists like Joyce Beatty and sheila jackson lee, the Reverend Jesse Jackson jr. , and our friend dr. William barber, who have all willingly been taken away in handcuffs while peacefully protesting for everyones right to vote. Black americans know whats at stake, and many are willing to do Whatever It Takes no matter what to right this wrong. But they wonder why more isnt being done to thwart this attack on Voting Rights. Im not suggesting that every politician in d. C. Has to go etand get themselves arrested but there is something that democratic lawmakers can do that is fully within their ability. Get rid of the Senate Filibuster and pass federal Voting Rights legislation. The for the people act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act are essential to pushing back on the State Level efforts by republicans who are restricting voting. Police reform, another essential piece of the puzzle, being held up by the Senate Filibuster. Its been a year and two months since george floyds death, and the senate still hasnt passed a federal policing bill. 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Also with me hayes brown, editor of the msnbc daily newsletter. Thanks to both of you for being here. Dawana, welcome, by the way. This idea that because people like you were able to organize and motivate voters to come out actually led others to say, well, we can just keep on organizing, just keep on doing that and all of these antivoter restrictive pieces of legislation can be overcome that way. A, i dont know if tha would th it. Absolutely not. The truth is that when we put our bodies on the line in 2020 for justice and for the vote, it was with the idea that we were going to send legislators to congress to enact opportunities on behalf of the communities that we serve. That means that the housing issues that we have, the education issues that we have, criminal Justice Reform that we seek, we expected for as hard as we worked, we expected them to work just as hard once they went to congress, once they went to the senate to do the work of the people. And if you cant do that work, i think that people are in a moment right now where theyre saying, okay, if you wont do this, then we have to revert back to some of the strategies that we know have worked over the last several years to get that kind of justice in this country. Being from birmingham when Voting Rights was under attack, we put our bodies on the line and thats what youre starting to see with leaders that do hear the Clarion Call and individuals in the community who are saying, we cannot wait any longer. If you cant do it, well do it for ourselves. And, hayes, when you look at places like georgia, for instance, wouldnt have been won by democrats but for the efforts of these people who organized relentlessly to get voters out there. But in The End, the changes that are being made to the laws in places like georgia, you cant organize around. The idea that they can take the Elections Chief from Fulton County which is where atlanta is, and replace them on a whim, thats not the kind of thing you can get more voters to come out and sort out. Absolutely. I think the democrats are looking at it too narrowly. Theyre looking at the laws happening, how do we get more people to show up to vote to counteract these challenges . But what that doesnt take into account is the other ways republicans are trying to limit who is actually able to vote. Theyre not thinking about gerrymandering, which is about to come into full swing as various states reapportion their congressional districts after the census of 2020. And theyre not thinking about how republicans and states like Arizona And Pennsylvania are trying to find ways to overturn the results of the election after they have happened. What were seeing in Sg A in their law its really scary. The idea that the republicanled legislature can have more of an influence than before on deciding who won the election, not dependent on who voted. People like Raphael Warner in Georgia Thanks to the Mass Amount of organization that happened, they see this is a problem. So im really heartened to see warnock was huddled with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Joe Manchin this week to pound out a new voting Rights Bill that they think could get through the senate, but there is still no guarantee. Like youve been saying, even something like that gets past a filibuster. There is no carve out for Voting Rights from the 60vote Cap that we need to get passed the filibuster. And until we get rid of that or find a way to really shame these republican senators who are so against the idea of expanding Voting Rights into voting for such a bill, then i dont see how you can outorganized these other two you cant out organizing gerrymandering. You cant out organize someone flip the results of the vote. One of the interesting things was you changed the complexion of the people who are your legislators as you get more women in, as you get more people of color. Fundamentally weve seen a few changes that are even really more fundamental than that. I remember talking to Corey Bush after her election and realizing i dont think this woman is going to be turned into one of these typical inside the beltway people. Listen to what shes been saying. This is where change could have happened right here where i am right now. This is where change could have happened. When we signed up for this job, we signed up to represent every single person in our district regardless of if you have four walls or not, if you have a business or not, if you have money or not, if youre black, white, whatever. If you, if you voted for us or not, we signed up to represent you, and thats what we should be doing. It is not okay for us to go home and go on vacation right now while 7 Million peoples lives are at risk. You chose to take care of people. You chose to be a servant leader. And if you choose not to do the work we need you to move out the way because there are peoples lives at stake. Its very old school what democracy is all about, being a servant leader. Maybe thats the longterm solution, to get more people who are not millionaires and insiders. Well, because at The End of the day, even with bipartisan ship, what people are looking for is backbone, right . Theyre looking for someone who will say whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong, regardless of what side of the aisle you stand on. Right now people facing eviction, that is going to have a ten to 20, 50year impact in some cases on communities of color. People who have sentences on for drug charges that shouldnt be there in the first place, that could have impact and ripples for years of their lives. This is not about democrat and republican. This is about right and wrong. Right now representatives like representative bush, ayanna pressley, they are calling for their colleagues to just do whats right. Serve the people. You are there for the people. Serve the people. Hayes, i want to get your take on what we are seeing in this socalled summer of action, people getting arrested, Civil Disobedience, even members of congress being arrested in a wave of activity that is reminiscent of the civil rights movement. For sure. Im glad to see that this organization is happening. People are out there trying to push these representatives to take action because honestly that is what it takes. I think that it is necessary to make sure that these lawmakers know that this is still heavy on the minds of people, that and you think honestly there would be a bit more selfpreservation from some of these democrats. People like Senator Christensen Kirsten Sinema who is trying to change election laws, she is on the forefront of keeping her job in the near future. Instead were seeing wishy wash ines. Im glad to see we have representatives standing up saying this is what is right, to put themselves in the front lines to make sure attention is drawn to these things. Some people may call it grandstanding. I say it is drawing attention to a critical issue. Yes, get arrested before you call it grandstanding. The interim c. E. O. Of the birmingham civil rights group. Hayes is the editor of nbc daily. Thanks for watching. Catch velshi on the front end. Ill be filling in for rachel maddow. Catch me saturday and Sunday Morning 8 00 to 10 00 eastern. Next saturday well have retired Colonel Alexander Vindman for one of his first Cable Interviews for his role as a whistleblower in the former president s first impeachment. Do not go anywhere. The Sunday Show with Jonathan Capehart starts right now. 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