Backlash. How dare anyone in this dictate to my staff how they may live their lives. The nbc reporting On Whistle Blowers who were told to downplay a Covid Outbreak among migrant kids at a shelter when All In starts right now. Good evening, from no, im chris hayes. It was a failed coup. Lets call it what it was. An immediate after math of the January 6th attack in the early revelations of Donald Trumps attempts, both privately to overturn the democratic election, there was a back and forth about whether coup was the appropriate term. But as we learn more, it really does feel like thats the best way to describe what we are talking about here. Today we got new evidence that supports precisely that. Earlier today the New York Times first reported not only did donald Trump Press the Justice Department to save the rules of the 2020 president ial election were corrupt. There were contemporaneous notes that provist. Quote. The exchange unfolded during a Phone Call on December 27th in which mr. Trump pressed the acting Attorney General at the time on Voter Fraud claims the department had disproved. The thing is donahue, the deputy Attorney General was taking notes. And the department of justice turned those notes over to the House Oversight Committee and today theyve publicly released them. Just a heads up, they were hand when we return and difficult to read. He responded to trump saying, quote, i understand that the Doj Cant and won snap It Fingers and change the outcome of the election. It doesnt work that way. To which trump replied, just say the corruption was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congress. Just say it was corrupt. The president is asking the department of justice to help him overturn the election and stay in power. Remember, the deputy Attorney General is writing this down, because in that moment, he realizes the sheer transgressive gravity of whats happening. A former fbi James Comey interactions with trump, holy crap, this guy is whoa, i should put it in writing. What the president is asking fo. We are learning about this now pause because the House Oversight Committee got access to these nodes notes, In May, Jeffrey Rosen what is asked about this under oath. He dodged the question. Prior to January 6th, were you asked or instructed by President Trump to take any action at the department to advance Election Fraud claims or to speak to i dont have turn any part of the 2020 Election Results . Well, congressman, as i just alluded to in your prior question, i can tell you what the actions of the department were. No, sir, no, sir. I cannot tell you mr. Rosen. Consistent with my obviously Gaks Today about private conversations with the president One Way or the other. Keep in mind that as trump was trying to get the department of justice to help him overturn the elections. Trumped a his allies made multiple calls to mar cope County Pressure them. One said he Let It Go to remember the voice mail. The michigan legislators flew to d. C. To meet with trump at the White House. There was the recording, of course, of trumps call to the georgian Republican Secretary of state. Trump said i just want to find 11,780 votes and when none of that worked, then, of course, there was the January 6th plot to overturn the election in congress. To a similar crowd, send them towards the capitol to Pressure Congress and his own vice president. We are learning more about that as well. Republican Congressman Mo brooks of alabama is now facing a lawsuit over a speech he gave the morning of January 6th, explicitly telling the crowd to start Quote Kick a this week the department of justice denied representing brooks in the case, arguing among other reasons, quote, instigating an attack on the united States Capitol would not be in the scope of a member of congress employment. Fair point. Its Clear Brooks was a part of the planning for Trumps Coup because brooks said so, himself, check this out. Back on december 21st, 2020, more than two weeks of the insurrection, politico just reported it out, a good piece, president Donald Trump huddled with a group of Congressal Republicans at the White House on monday, where they strategy united states over a lastditch ever to overturn the results next month. Congressman Mo Brooks spearheaded to overturn the results in congress, Ork Kneesed A Trio of White House meetings, which lasted over three hours around included roughly a dozen lawmakers. The back and forth kevining the Planning And Strategy for January 6th, brooks said in a quote interview, he literally said they were meeting for a strategy to overturn the record two weeks before it happened. Then on the morning of January 6th, Congressman Mo brooks spoke at the same rally as Donald Trump. We are learning when he stood up taking the protest at the capitol, he was wearing body armour. I have a message i need you to take to your heater and back home and atlopg way stop at the come. Today is the day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass. What other words that scare the hell out of socialists and weakneeded republicans alike join with me, usa, usa, washington, america, heed those words. Because were going to carry them rate to you. Usa, god bless america. And the fight begins today. Yeah. Go kick ass. They did. I wonder when Mo Brooks saw them beating the cops, cussing them, violently assaulting them. Theyre kicking ass. I told them to kick ass. He was not the only congressman, New York Times says mr. Trump did not name the law makers. The other once they took notes of, he represented Jim Jordan of ohio who he described as a Fighter A. Swoexman says Congressman Jordan did not, has not, and would fought Pressure Anyone if 2021. That Politico Report from a due days before trumps Doj Meeting says, quote, other members who were in attendance include some of trumps staunchest allies, including Jim Jordan, he was plotting on overturning the election. Earlier this week, Congressman Jordan was asked if he had spoken to Donald Trump on January 6th. Listen to this response. First off, yes or no, did you speak with President Trump on January 6th . Yeah, i spoke with the president last week. I speak with the president all the time. I spoke with him on January 6th. I mean i talk with him all the time. I dont think thats unusual. Stacked members of congress to talk with the president of the united states when theyre trying to get done the things they toll the voters in their district to do. Im actually kind of amazing people ask this. Of course, i talk to him all the time. I talked with him last week. On January 6th, did you speak with him before, during or after the come was attacked . Id have to go. I spoke with him that day after, i dont know if i spoke to him in the morning or not. I just dont know. Id have to go back. I dont know that when those conversations happened. But what i know is i spoke with him all the time. Boy, he was comfortable answering those questions. Isnt he . Jim jordan was speaking to Donald Trump about the attack at the capitol happened. He could not be on the committee investigating the attack, because as Congressman Liz Cheney said he could be a Material Witness called to testify. At some people out in the open, resaul saw it. When all else failed, when he could not enlist the Justice Department. When he did not have enough votes in congress, the last thing left to him was the more than. So he used the mob. A violent insurrection. A failed coup We Saw was his final attempt after he tried everything else, but hes not done trump. Devlin barrett covers the fbi. He has been covering handwritten notes published today. I wonder if you can give us context on Donald Trump and the context for this notetaking. Right. We reported earlier this week this conversation was a part of a pattern going on at the time. Trump regularly calling rosen, who was serving as the acting tomorrow because Bill Barr had just left the Department And Trump kept calling him and talking about this Voter Fraud and these various things he had heard and seen and that we wanted the Justice Department to pursue and rosen, who remember is just acting. These caretaker for what is supposed to be you know hopefully the quiet last weeks of the trump administration. And, obviously, its anything but. And hes as has been described to us in these conversations, hes trying to be friendly and hear them out but not commit to anything. And a couple times we are told he tries to change the subject and is basically unsuccessful, because Trump Wont Let It Go. Right. So, thats a key part of this, too. Which there is a pattern here. This is a sustained effort, your reporting indicates as opposed to a Oneoff Conversation . Right. Absolutely. And you can see also through his public statements that trump, he through the late half of 2020, trump keeps trying to throw the Justice Department into the argument shes making about the eexwill. Before the election, tomorrow Bill Barr is willing to entertain and help with these notions, after the election, the mood and the relationship really changes and you know barr leaves as that relationship has soured. And rosen is sort of left there to try to manage the situation and not upset the apple cart, essentially. And there is a really dangerous dance. One former official described it to me as you know the department was on a nice edge trying to both listen to the president , not blome off or anger him or incite a greater confrontation and at the same time, not let the Justice Department be used for something as alarming and, you know, counter factual. Tell tell me about donahue here. The notes strike me as not an accident. Who is he, whats his role at this point . Right. So Richard Donahue is a longtame Justice Department employee. He, you know, at one time he was the u. S. Attorney in brooklyn. He has been a senior aide in the Justice Department. At the time of these notes are taken. He has been a senior aide inside the Justice Department for the trump administration. Hes had to run Interference And Sort of play internal Track Cop a little bit on these contentious issues involving trump in the election. So he also gets wrapped Up In, if you remember, the fights between President Trump and the State Of Georgia over the count. And he has to navigate dojs you know essentially staying out as best they can from that fight. So he keeps touching these very complicated, very tricky issues. I think you are right, the notes are taken for a reason. They were taken because he feels there need to be some kind of record that this is going on. And importantly, he needs to preserve as much what trump said, which is what we are focusing on. I think from the Justice Departments view, they need to preserve what they said and they did. That very important, you can see, in rosens public and praft statements. Yes. Devlin barrett, thank you very much. Thank you. Donald trumps request for the Justice Department to sigh the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me sounds a lot like his request the ukrainian president said in his first impeachment who said, quote, i would like you to do us a favor, though. He was more desperate to misstate his q. Because these were his people. Daniel goldman served in the first Impeachment Trial of President Trump, prior to that, the Southern District Of New York and he joins me now. I am struck by the similarities here, particularly that line that is so damming. Just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me. Whats your reaction to that . Yeah, you are exactly right, chris. Its the more desperate, more extreme and more untethered Donald Trump trying to cheat or in this case overturn the election. The ukraine impeachment was all about Donald Trump trying to cheat in the 2020 election. He had won the 2016 election using russian interference. He wasnt charged criminally with that, but the Mueller Report indicated that he certainly knew about it. His campaign knew about it and they used the russian interference. Then he tried to extort ukraine into helping him cheat in the election. Then he lost the election. Now he is simply going all out so to speak to overturn the election. It is a stunning, stunning request and there are other things that in the notes that jump out to me that i think will be very relevant to prosecutors looking at Donald Trumps conduct in the ofmath of the 2020 election. The first thing he says that jumped out to me is, you may not read the internet as much as i do. You will remember, chris, that there was a lot of Internet Chatter about storming the Capitol Right in the leadup through January 6th and one of the issues in impeachment, too, was how much did Donald Trump know . Well, here he is admitting that he read the internet and then the other thing, which is separate and apart from the coup here, is him, once again, asking them to prosecute hunter biden. This is the president of the united states asking the department of justice to prosecute his political enemy. That is Banana Republic stuff. Okay. You just said prosecutor. Heres the thing i find really frustrating. First of youll, the idea that anyone would let this man within sniffing distance of power is insane and a death wish. B, how can it not be the case that this is not a crime . I mean, someone once described the Coup Attempt as akin to someone walking down a hallway of a home and trying every door. Which is kind of what he did. It wasnt that like fist indicated. It wouldnt that but he tried every door. Now they all ended up locked, so he couldnt steam the stuff. But if one was opened, he obviously would have and that seems criminal to me just in an intuitive sense. Well, its all evidence that could be used as a part of some sort of Se Dition prosecution or a State Investigation in georgia where he tried to interfere in an election in a particular state. Its not its not potentially criminal, i think we all need to look at all of these notes and recordings as pieces of evidence in a larger puzzle. Thats why i point out that had mission of his that he reads the internet. That type of thing can be very help. Pro prosecutors to piece together a case. The problem is, is that No One has ever done this before. Its not something thats ever been anticipated that a president would literally try to have a coUp In order to overturn an election by will. Purely by will. If my might if he could have. But as we know right now, Mark Milley and Mark Esper in the Defense Department were not going to let that happen. So his outlet is these acting folks in the department of justice to try to use his Power And Coercion to get them to do his dirty work. They restricted. The individuals held ultimately which is why it was a failed coup. Well, i just got to say, talk about like World Historical Cowardice from william barr. He knows what the guy the up to. He could have gone public. But he leaves right and utterly like preposterous and combium to the greatness of Donald Trump, knowing he attempted a coUp In the moment and just hand over the job of protecting american democracy of said queue to Jeffrey Rosen and out. Good work. Up until the sycophants res ig fakes letter, he did stand Town Trump on this one issue. He was his Lackey And Accomplice for two years. On this issue, he said there was no evidence of Election Fraud. That did set the stage i think for Jeffrey Rosen to be able to push back a little bit so i am no fan of Bill Barr. I actually think on this topic, other than abdicating the throne, so to speak, he did resist. Yes, thats true. Maybe its because i am a journalist and because i have a Television Show this occurs to me and to functionarys. No one goes public. Everyone plays a good soldier and doesnt say anything. The guy is rattling the cable trying to overturn an election. For the love of god, say something public lip. Thats just me. Thank you very much, daniel goldman, i appreciate i. Donald trump went two campaigns an entire presidency keeping his Tax Returns hidden. Today we found out the game of keep away may be over. The decision to hold his Tax Returns has been reversed by the garland Justice Department. So they must be released to congress. Does this mean the public will get to see them . And why is this happening now . Dont go anywhere. Thats coming up. Show me the olympics. [ Buglers Dream playing ]. Can you give us any insight into the real reason the president refused to release his Tax Returns . Statements that he said to me was that what he didnt want was to have an entire group of Think Tanks that are Tax Experts run through his Tax Return and start ripping it to pieces and then hell ends Up In an audit and ultimately have taxable consequences, penalties and so on. Fought wrong. Not wrong. Donald trump managed to keep his Tax Returns a secret his entire time in office. Which is no small feat. Democrats have been drying to access them for years. In 2017, they asked the House Ways And Means Committee to formally request ten years of his Tax Returns. The chairman was a republican. He shut down the effort. A year later a democrat became chair giving him legal authority under statute to formally request trumps Tax Returns. In a few months, he announced he will do that. The irs missed the headline to hand them over. When that didnt work, he sued. Then in september 2019, manhattan District Attorney Vai vans got into the act. Trump continue to the challenge the oversight powers. He lost the election. Shortly after he lost the Supreme Court case. In february this year, the Supreme Court allowed manhattan prosecutors to obtain trumps taxes. So they have it. Earlier this month the top Money Man were charged with Tax Fraud in manhattan court. Today, however, the ways and means committee finally got movement on their yearslong quest. The Justice Department under Merrick Garland says his Tax Returns must be released to congress soon. They could potentially be made public. A national Complil Reporter has been tracking these developments and jones me now. Betsy, my understanding its the Supreme Court the office of legal department gives legal direction that basically that office overturned a previous set of guidance that was offered during the trump administration. Is that right . Thats right. When trumps lawyers were in charge of the office of legal council, they said as members of congress were acting in Bad Faith that even though congress claims to have a legislative President Trump, wanted to have them to embarrass trump. Therefore, they didnt have to give them to congress. That was the dojs architect. Now bidens lawyers running doj, including the office of legal council, what they said is look even if some members of congress are hoping that the president will be embarrassed by the contents of his Tax Returns, hard to imagine why he would be. Maybe some are hoping that. What the doj says even if they are help hoping that, its not germane to whether or not congress has a legitimate reason to reach for the Tax Returns and the llc confirms, yes, they do have a legitimate legislative reason. One thing in history thats cited in the Doj Opinion is the Reason Congress got the power to pick individual peoples Tax Returns, this committee did, is because of bribery, corruption and scandal. The law was changed in 1924. Because Congressional Vrths during the Tea Pot Dome scandal, which involved bribery, felt that they were getting stiffarmed by The Irs. They carried that investigation out. They changed the law and the first time a member of a president s cabinet went to prison was the result of that scandal. So, there is a pretty direct throughline from the Reason Congress has this power to what theyre trying to do with the power today. Yeah. The, i always found that the justifications on the other side fairly tortured. They had to do with congress was acting in Bad Faith. It seems obvious to me, the legislative intent is were considering a law to require president ial candidates to disclose their taxes and thats the legislative intent of the house, ways and means committee. Wed like to see the one guy that hasnt done it in 40 years to see his taxes to see if its justifie here is the 2019 opinion they are retracting, suggesting the Executive Branch should closely scrutinize the committees stated justifications for its requests in a branch of government. This seems settled. They will get the taxes. What happens now . Whats likely to happen next is trump in his personal capacity is likely to sue to block the Tax Returns from going from The Irs to the doj. He has taken every every step known to lawyers to keep this information from becoming public. I dont think he will roll over because the Biden Doj has changed the trumps dojs opinion. Hes got a couple days to move in court. Well know in the next couple of days whether or not hes going to try to take legal action to keep this from going forward. Then its likely to be litigated. I dont think congress will get these Tax Returns been the next few days. But thats the next step. 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Today the cdc released new Data Act the highly contagious Delta Variant and a part of the basis for its recommendation earlier this week that advantages nated people wear masks, indoors, around places where there is high degree of transmission. We first heard about this yesterday at least in part from a leaked cdc document, they say the war has changed, referring to the Delta Variant. We are seeing a backlash predictably from republicans, but just not from them. From frankly all kind of folks across the spectrum. A lot of people, particularly those who are fully vaccinated are understandably really frustrated by the idea of putting max back on and feeling we are sucked back into this pandemic life. And there are some more than fair critiques of how the cdc has handled its communications over the last few months from the somewhat sudden announcement In May that maks were no longer necessary and it was an Honor System to the reversal and the Whip Losh of learning the Delta Variant is quite serious, something that kind of sort of started to know four or five months ago. So what happened . Part of the reality here is that the virus mutates and the data released today does show the Delta Variant is working, like so much over the course of this pandemic, this data, itself, is provisional and by no means definitive. All that said, the frustration is legitimate. What doing is legitimate is this entire faction of conservative republicans who have a posed or sabotaged the virus, whether its social distancing or closing down bars and restaurants or masks or vaccinations. They seem to be in favor of letting the virus run rampant and sickening and killing as many people as possible and incapable of marshalling or anger on behalf of saving people. Instead, they have depthless wells to direct it into histrionics of being asked to put a piece of cloth over their face. If i were to cowardly bend the knee here like those on the left wish, what is to stop you all to take your tyranny to the rest of this country that i love. How dare anyone in this Institution Attempt to dictate to the patriots of my staff how they may live their lives. The rest of you will. But i will not cower and i will not bend. Madam speaker, you have come to take away our liberties, madam speaker, in this country, you are outnumbered. Bro, this is not the battle of lexington, were talking about putting a little mask on. That was republican madison hawthorne. 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It has one of the highest Vaccination Rates in the country. As a result, the rate in the Provincetown Outbreak was pin schedule. Only five were hospitalized. Four fully vaccinated. No one died. In other words, the vaccine did their job. To stress this whole thing, the Led Line is a happy stare about effectiveness put to an complut Stress Test. That is broadly in line what we have been hearing about Delta Variant, its highly transmissible and even among the vaccinated but the vaccine is doing an incredible job stopping severe illnesses, hospitalizations and deaths. There were all the times as many cases in unvaccinated people. Thats the green lines, then in vaccinated people, line in blue. Now look at the do you that hospitalizations in depth. There were 25 Times Hospital Ooized and 25 times as many unvaccinated people who lost their lives. Right now, according to White House, 100 Million eligible americans are still unvaccinated and there are lots of events like provincetown that will happen and places with Vaccination Rates much lower than massachusetts. For instance, remember the sturgis Motorcycle Rally in south dakota, the 2020 super Spreader Event with the trump science, masks or social distancing, the event one Study Estimates could have led to over 200,000 Covid Cases last year alone. Testimony sturgis Motorcycle Rally is happening in a well be right back. You got to imagine the folks at the cdc among others are filled with dread. I am joined by the codirector of the cherpt for Childrens Development and dean of the tropical Medicine And Author of preventing the next pandemic, Vaccine Diplomacy in a same of antiscience. Heres the thing about provincetown study. Is that i felt like tha there are two ways to interpret it. Someone like, wow, there was a full outbreak amongst vaccinated people. We havent seen this before. Also, this was an incredible Stress Test of the Vaccines Efficacy in preventing serious illness. It held up remarkably well s. That a fair clarkization . Yeah. Absolutely him look, these vaccines are still very robust in terms of the way they were designed. The original design of all of these vaccines that came out of Operation Warp Speed last year was to stop si symptomatic illness. Its a much higher way over 95 of protecting against hospitalizations and deaths. So if you are vaccinated, you are almost certainly not going to get very sick or lose your life from covid19. The idea that these vaccines could also stop Asymptomatic Transmission was something that came out after the vaccine were released from emergency ruse. It was studies if israel and the you can saying, hey, in addition to the symptomatic illness, get what, its stopping Asymptomatic Transmission because the antibodies are getting into the Nose And Mouth and stopping advisor shedding. That means that we could take off max and if were vaccinated, we dont need to be tested anymore. So the only thing thats really dropped out and even thats not completely is that second performance feature. Because the Delta Variant produces so much more virus and even that may be fixed later on by a third immunization potential lip. So this is not time to despair if you are vaccinated. The ones that have to despair are the unvaccinated, okay, thats where we are now seeing where i live in the southern united states, we are seeing lots of unvaccinated young people now going into the hospital, even some pediatric intensive units. So the overwhelming message is rehave to vaccinate the south and the Mountain Warm Front states where very fouad less sent and young adults are vaccinated in order to prevent real catastrophe as the schools start opening in the south in just a couple of weeks. So theres a question and an outstanding question, let me follow up on the provincetown question. I seen some Miami Todaying and fought just like randos, some with background, its a spec case. Its 85 men more or less. Its an incredibly intensive. Talk about designing a super Spreader Event. There are a lot of tight quarters, hookups. There is a lot of you know people being very close to each other. That this maybe is not like the most representative of delta spreading more broadly in not as an intensively kind of virusfriendly environment as July 4th weekend at provincetown . Who do you think of that . Actually this report that came out Morbidity Mortalitity Week didnt tell me anything i didnt know. We already knew that the reproductive member of this virus is between five and eight is highly transmissible. For me the most important thing it confirmed is that you are not going to die if you get fully vaccinated eastern against the Delta Variant unless very special circumstances. Those who are on Immunosuppressive Therapy or a couple other factors, so, i think the way it was written, they used that 74 were vaccinated. Remember, there are thousands and thousands of vaccinated people going through provincetown, which probably has one of the highest Vaccination Numbers over anywhere and the overwhelming number of people are not getting sick. I guess the question comes on the mask guidance. Part of the argument if you were making is theyre saying look if im vaccinated and people around me are vaccinated and the provincetown example is an exam of the fact that, you know, that it can spread. You can have an outbreak among people that are vaccinated, In The End not have calamitous results in unvaccinated. Why this new Making Guidance in indoor areas . Well, the reason is this. Because the vaccines are not as strong against delta if terms of that second performance feature, of a symptomatic Virus Shedding. Right. It means that if are you then going into a setting like that, Coming Home to Family Member whos are vulnerable such as little kids or those who are immunocompromised, you could potentially bring that Virus Home with you. Thats the reason for wearing masks. So the truth is many of us who are vaccinated are still wearing masks in indoor settings, anyway. I dont think it will be that much more behavior. I think the important guidance is for specialty populations, those of extreme age or surrounding Immunosuppressive Therapy. Do we feed that third immunization to keep that small percentage of breakthrough hospitalizations intact and will that also stop Virus Shedding and what about the people who have got an single Dose J j, should they get a second dose . We should note Natale Bennett in israel, its the first country thats doing that. That is something also to look for as we go forward. Clarifyinging as always, doctor, thank you. Thank you. 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There is a Migrant Shelter for unaccompanied children located near El Paso texas, in ft. Bliss. And this overcrowded Facility House between A Thousand and 5,000 children at a time. Now, thanks to two whistleblowers, we are learning about terrible conditions inside this shelter including huge Coronavirus Outbreaks among children and a lack of adequate masks. And there were these tents all over these places. These massive tents. Just crowded with with kids. This was an environment, in which Covid Spread very, very rapidly amongst the kids and, ultimately, amongst many of the staff, as well. We were told to not share practically everything we witnessed there. We were told to um not be on social media. To um limit our conversations about the site with close friends and family. And um, to, definitely, not talk to the media. The two people you heard there are the whistleblowers. Both, careercivil servants who volunteered to be detailed to the shelter when the biden administration ramped up staffing to accommodate an increase in unaccompanied minors. They filed a complaint writing quote at a Town Hall Meeting with detailees, a senior u. S. Public Health Service Manager was asked and refused to say how many were infected with covid because if that graph of infections is going to the Washington Post every day, its the only thing that well be dealing with and politics will take over. Perception will take over. And were about reality, not perception. All the manager would acknowledge is that several children had to be hospitalized. Julia ainsley, Nbc News correspondent covering department of Justice Homeland Security has been covering this story. Sat down with the whistleblowers. And Nbc News has also attained exclusive audio from that facility in ft. Bliss. Julia, first, just to set the context here. We are talking about this is the biden administration that had a huge influx of unaccompanied minors that were spending way too long in Cbp Custody. And there was a concerted effort, because Cbp Custody is no place for kids of any kind, to move them through that system to custody of hhs. And in response to that, hhs scaled up its shelters and this is one of them, right . Thats right. I mean, at the time, we think back to march, and President Biden would announce that another shelter was opening. He was trying to give the biggest numbers possible. He talked about ft. Bliss opening for 5,000 children and potentially being able to hold 10,000 children of the that was a win for them because they were able to get children out of the terrible conditions in Border Patrol Custody where they were never supposed to be for over 72 hours. They had a bed, a place to sleep. But instead, what it meant is because these facilities having be to emergencyintake facilities, they had to rely very heavily on contractors. They dont allow State Licensing. They dont have State Licensing when they do these emergencyintake facilities. So there is a lot less oversight. A lot less transparency. And that allows this kind of environment to fester, especially when you talk about those big numbers. And the whistleblowers we talked to talked about beds being so close together that you couldnt even go through them. If you have seen from pictures we have, these are cots stacked on top of each other. Theyre not real bunk beds. It is the kind of environment that would make Covid Spread very quickly and it is also the kind of environment that, when a child has a realmedical or mentalhealth concern, as many of them did, they dont get that help as quickly as they should. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like, from the whistleblowers, this is just an overwhelmed facility. I want to read what Hhs Secretary Javier Becerra said. He said our duty at hhs, to provide safe and appropriate care for the unaccompanied we take allegations of wrongdoing seriously and swiftly. Report allegations not only to the office of the inspector sorry, im we take we constantly work to improve the conditions and services required to care for children in these challenging settings. I have been to ft. Bliss, including this month. I have inspected conditions of facility and questioned site managers. I have spoken to children while they are in our custody. We continue to receive safe, appropriate care and every Emergency Site will be investigated. Um, my question, i guess, for you is what what, now, happens with these complaints . And are there going to be changes, at this facility . Yeah. I mean, thats the thing theyre not committing to, right . They are talking about taking piecemeal allegations and referring them authorities or referring them to internal controls through the office of the Inspector General. But what we havent heard, either, from becerra or from the White House is to do a wholesale investigation of Fort Bliss and other emergencyintake facilities and get to the bottom of why these contractors got this contract in the first place. The three contractors involved here who are running the facility when our whistleblowers there, when i should point out was april through late june, they had no previous childcare experience. None of their contracts ever involved taking care of children. They dealt with military Intelligence And Disaster cleanup. And between the three of them, they had 1 Billion in contracts. So those are the kinds of things we are taking on as investigative reporters and seems it would ba time for the administration to also be looking at that wholesale approach, too. Rather than taking piecemeal allegations and as you note, some of these allegations are very serious. Its not something that you would want an Inspector General to handle. You would see if someone needs to be immediately removed from caring for those children. Yeah, i want to play some of this exclusive audio about, um, staff being caught with minors inappropriately. Take a listen. I cant give you daily numbers and breakouts and graphs and things like that. Assume everyone has covid. Act appropriately. We have already caught staff with minors inappropriately. If you catch them, especially if its a staff member, you separate that minor from that person, immediately. That, obviously, julia, that has to be investigated yesterday. And this facility has to be made sure to be safe for children but this this this cant wait. Right. I mean, that that audio that we obtained. That was taped In May. That was a May Training Session for employees trying to tell them, you know, please, dont please, separate anyone you see who might be having a sexual encounter with a minor. It for us, we would think well you would do a lot more than separate them, and very quickly. They do talk about filing reports. They do talk about that but there doesnt seem to be this immediate accountability. And its something that they admit has happened so given the fact that a manager who is Training Employees know that has happened, it seems like we are getting a very muted response from the administration and from secretary becerra. This is if if any of this is again, these are allegations. And theres some documentation but if any of this is remotely close to reflective, this is utterly, utterly, completely unacceptable, in every, possible way. Julia ainsley, great reporting. Thank you, very much. That is All In for tonight. The Rachel Maddow Show starts right now with Ali Velshi in for rachel. Good evening, chris. Have yourself a great weekend and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. Rachel is enjoying a wellearned vacation. It was the biggest story in the world and whats not an exaggeration. In the middle of july