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Joining us this hour. Rachels got the Night Reserve in just a few moments were going to be joined by the cdc director, rochelle walensky. Lots of questions on covid19. I took lessons from that conversation we just heard. And the cdcs new mask guidance. Youre not going to want to miss that conversation coming up. We start tonight with one of the most sobering, chilling, and emotional congressional hearings ever on Capitol Hill. At the first hearing of The House Select Committee to investigate the January 6th attack on the capitol, four Police Officers who were on the front lines that day testified to the brutality of the attack, to the horror of whAt They endured, and to how close they and so many of their colleagues came to being killed that day. The hearing began with harrowing video of the attack, some of it never seen before by the public. Some of it from the body cameras of the officers who were testifying today. The officers watched the video from the witness table. With d. C. Metropolitan Police Officer Michael fanone at one point getting up to Comfort Sergeant Galino ganal, and then it was time for the officers to tell their stories. At some point during the fighting i was dragged from the line of officers and into the crowd. I heard someone scream. 80 got one as i was swarmed by a violent mob, they ripped off my badge, they grabbed and stripped me of my radio, she seized ammunition that was secured to my body. They began to beat me with their fists and with what felt like hard metal objects. At one point i came facetoface with an attacker who repeatedly lunged for me and attempted to remove my firearm. I heard chanting from some in the crowd, get his gun and kill him with his own gun. I was aware enough to recognize i was at risk of being stripped of and killed with my own firearm. I was electrocuted. Again and again and again. With a taser. I was effectively defenseless and gradually sustaining injury from the increasing pressure of the mob. Directly in front of me, a man seized the opportunity of my vulnerability, grabbed the front of my gas mask, used it to beat my head against the door. He switched to pulling it off my head, the straps stretching against my skull, straining my neck. He never uttered any words i recognized but opted instead for guttural screams. I remember him foaming At The mouth. He also put his Cell Phone in his mouth so he had both hands free to assault me. What we were subjected to that day was like something from a medieval battle. I literally heard officers screaming in agony in pain, just an Arms Length from me. I didnt know At ThAt Time that was officer hodges. And hes here today to testify. I too was being crushed by others. I could feel myself losing Oxygen And Recall thinking to myself, this is how im going to die, defending this entrance. This is how im going to die. Reporters who were in the room for those officers testimony say you could hear a Pin Drop as they spoke. The members of the select committee were transfixed, the mod somber, respectful. Some Members Of Congress were visibly emotional. Thats what you would expect at a hearing like this. But it wasnt just the visceral nature of the Subject Matter that made this hearing so compelling. It has to be said that part of the reason Todays Hearing was so solemn and so serious and so sincere was because of who wasnt there. There were no Bombthrowing Republican Members Of Congress trying to derail the hearing with ridiculous antics. No one yelling about how the real crime was all the election fraud. No What Aboutism about the radical left or antifa. House Minority Leader tried. He tried to put folks like jim jordan on the committee, Nancy Pelosi said no. You do not have to use your man gician to picture whAt The republicans would have been doing today if they had been in that hearing room. Because they were all just outside, doing it. While officers described the violence they experienced At The hands of the insurrectionists this morning, several republican Members Of Congress were holding a Press Conference in front of the Justice Department, defending those same insurrectionists. They called the January 6th attackers, who are in jail awaiting trial, political prisoners. They demanded answers about their treatment in detention. The event was cut short after the speakers were drowned out by protesters, some of whom were there to heckle Congressman Matt Gaetz who is himself under federal investigation for possible Sex Trafficking of a minor. But okay, you might be saying those are the outliers, the extremists, Fringe Republican Members Of Congress. Theyre not the leaders of the house republicans. But house republican leaders had their own Press Conference this morning, as the select committee held its hearing without them, and honestly, the line between Extremist Fringe and mainstream leadership seemed awfully blurry. Republican leader Kevin Mccarthy and Conference Chair Alise defaddic with a straight face saying the January 6 attack on the capitol was Nancy Pelosis fault. You start to see why it was difficult to find any republican Members Of Congress to serve on the select committee who would actually take the investigation into January 6th seriously. But Speaker Pelosi did find two of them. Today we got to see for the first time how those two republican members will approach their role on this select committee. We cannot leave the violence of January 6th and its causes uninvestigated. The american people deserve the full and open testimony of every person with knowledge of the Planning And Preparation for January 6th. We must also know what happened every minute of that day in the white house. Every phone call, every conversation, every meeting leading up to, during, and after the attack. Honorable men and women have an obligation to step forward. If those responsible are not held accountable, and if congress does not act responsibly, this will remain a cancer on our constitutional republic. Many in my party have treated this as just another partisan fight. Its toxic and its a disservice to the officers and their families, to the staff and the employees on the capitol complex, to the american people who deserve the truth. I want all americans to be able to trust the work this committee does and get the facts out there free of conspiracy. This cannot continue to be a partisan fight. Im a republican. Im a conservative. But in order to heal from the damage caused that day, we need to call out the facts. Its time to stop the outrage and the conspiracies that fuel the Violence And Division in this country, and most importantly, we need to reject those that promote it. On the surface, Todays Hearing was about what Police Officers experienced on January 6th. It was a reminder of how awful and brutal and violent that day actually was. But the reason such a reminder is even needed is that Donald Trump and his allies, including republican Members Of Congress who lived through the attack personally that day, are actively trying to rewrite the history of that day as a peaceful protest. Or a normal tourist visit. And that created an undercurrent of Frustration And Anger at Todays Hearing that could be heard At Times in the officers testimony. The same people who we helped, the same people who we gave them the borrowed time to get to safety, now theyre attacking us, theyre attacking our characters. There are people right now in front of the Justice Department asking to release some of the very same people to be released. Even though we are testifying about the trauma and the Agony And Everything that happened to us. Its pathetic. And they shouldnt be elected officials anymore. So many of the people i put my life at risk to defend are downplaying or outright denying what happened. I feel like i went to hell and back to protect them and the people in this room. But too many are now telling me that hell doesnt exist, or that hell actually wasnt that bad. The indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful the sentiment going around that says, everybodys trying to make January 6th political. Well, its not a secret that it was political. They literally were there to stop the steal. When people say it shouldnt be political, it is. It was and it is. Theres no getting around that. Telling the Truth Shouldnt be hard. Fighting for fighting on January 6th, that was hard. Showing up January 7th, that was hard. The 8th, the 9th, the 10th. All the way till today. That was hard. Everything is different, but nothing has changed. Liz cheney and Adam Kinzinger are being lauded as courageous heroes. And while i agree with that notion, why . Because they told the truth . Why is telling the truth hard . I guess in this america, it is. A powerful point from Harry Dunn of the Capitol Police. If this select committee is going to perform a real investigation into January 6th, theres actually no getting around the politics of it. We have two major Political Parties in this country, and the people who attacked the capitol did it to try to keep a president from one of those Political Parties in power. Their actions that day have been at best excused, and at worst, promoted by lawmakers of that same political party. And so that presents a host of uncomfortable but necessary questions for this committee to answer. And it was one of the most powerful moments of Todays Hearing when, right At The end, the chairman of the committee, betty thompson, asked the officers directly who were there testifying, what do you want us to do . What would you task this committee in its body of work, what would you hike to see us do . We had violent political rhetoric. We had the organization of a rally whose title was stop the steal. And At ThAt That rally occurred on January 6th, which i dont believe was a coincidence. The time, the place, the circumstances of that rally, that rhetoric, and those events, to me leads in the direction of our president and other members, not only of congress and the senate, but that is what i am looking for is an investigation into those actions and activities which may have resulted in the events of January 6th. And also whether or not there was collaboration between those members, their staff, and these terrorists. In my opinion, we do need to get to the bottom of it. Who incited, who brought those people here. Why the people were made to believe thAt The process was rigged. I need you guys to address if anyone in power had a role in this. If anyone in power coordinated or aided or abetted or tried to downplay, tried to prevent the investigation of this terrorist attack. I use an analogy to describe what i want as a hitman. If a hitman is hired and he kills somebody, the hitman goes to jail. But not only does the hitman go to jail, but the person who hired them does. It was an attack carried out on January 6th, and a hitman sent them. I want you to get to the bottom of that. Joining us is the man tasked with getting to the bottom of that, chairman of the January 6th select committee, Mississippi Congressman Bennie thompson. Congressman, Thank You for joining us. I know today is a long and busy one for you. It continues. So we appreciate some of your time. The testimony of those officers laid waste to the criticism that we have been hearing literally since January 7th thAt Theres no need for further investigation into this. They while you were all under threat, they faced the battery, the medieval battle, thAt Took place. What did you take away from thAt Today, what did you learn today . Well, first of all, ali, Thank You for having me. My pleasure. Let me tell you, we now know who the real hero is of January 6th. It was Rank And File Law Enforcement officers of the Metropolitan Police department, Capitol Police. As well as the other departments who came and helped defend this capitol from the rioters. Theyre the real heroes. And part of what we wanted to do today was to get on the record whAt They experienced on the other hand, whAt They have had to do since that January 6th, and also on your last clip, what is it they would like us to do . I think the four clips that you heard from the witnesses say it all. We want to know who facilitated this. If individuals came to a peaceful rally on the 6th, why did they bring bear spray, why did they bring all those other weapons with them . . If youre coming to a ratley, youre coming to have a good time. You shouldnt have to have kevlar vests, you shouldnt to have have helmets on and all those other things. WhAt Those men brought out today, based on their training as Law Enforcement, is exactly whAt The committee needed to hear. We now have a message. We now have a mandate. But i want to thank them. Because we came perilously close to losing this constitutional form of government. They helped preserve our democracy. They gave members enough time to physically get out of the capitol. They gave members and staff enough time to take cover. They gave members and staff enough time to take the ballots thAt They were counting and keep them safe. So we could count them at 3 00 in the morning. Thats right. So we thank them for that. So it was a tremendous testimony. And ive been here for 28 years. And all my 28 years, ali, ive never been in a hearing where the members, everyone there, was riveted by the testimony. It was gutwrenching, but it was something we felt as a committee we had to do. You and i have talked since the days you knew youd be chairing this committee. We discussed the way it would take shape, whether Kevin Mccarthy would appoint people, who he would appoint. There was something about the pindrop silence, the somberness, the seriousness of this that benefited from the fact that everybody who was listening to thAt Testimony seemed to share a view that, we need to get to the bottom of this and the perpetrators need to be connected to whomever it was who instigated this so it doesnt happen again. It seemed like this was purposeful right from the beginning, but Officer Dunn made the point, for those saying its not political, it is political. We have to answer that question, that politics got us into this thing on January 6th. Well, these people came to washington on January 6th for a reason. We want to know who financed it. We want to know who helped organize it. We want to make sure that anyone who had anything to do with though rioters who came to washington on January 6th, we will get that information. I assure you the people on this committee are absolutely committed to getting to the truth. Truth, ali, will be the disinfectant for this great country of ours. And well work hard to make sure that we accomplish that. So we will meet before we adjourn for the august recess. Well decide a way forward. But i can assure you thAt The issuing of subpoenas and other things need as we follow up this tough testimony today is in order, and we will be carrying those subpoenas forward. As the Justice Department has supported your view of that, they cleared the ill read this from the new york times. The Justice Department notified former officials this week thAt They could testify to the various committees investigating the January 6th attack. The letters to former officials leaves unclear whether the select committee investigating the January 6th riot has made such a request. Youre telling me that youre prepared to send subpoenas out to get people there. Have you done so yet . No, we have not. We appreciate the Justice Department stepping forward. We dont think anyone should claim Executive Privilege at any level of government. This is the ability of our committee to do our work. In order to do it, we have to have access to any and all information and any and all individuals who had anything to do with the travesty that occurred on January 6th. So we are committed. And let me tell you, democrats and republicans on this committee are committed to making and identifying everything we possibly can within the scope of the charge that we have as a committee. All the facts and circumstances, wherever the facts lead us, were prepared to go. Congressman, Thank You for your time tonight. I know youve got to get back to work. You and your committee have your work cut out for you. Bennie thompson is chairman of the January 6th select committee. We appreciate your time, sir. Thank you. Well have more here tonight on todays incredible testimony. Up next, well be joined live by the head of the cdc on the new guidance issued about wearing masks indoors. Weve got a lot to ask her, stay with us. G you . Breathe more freely with powerful claritind. Claritind improves nasal airflow two times more than the leading Allergy Spray at hour one. [ Deep Inhale ] claritind. Get more airflow. Limu emu. And doug. So then i said to him, you oughta customize your Car Insurance with liberty mutual, so you only pay for what you need. Oh um, doug can we talk about something other than work, its the weekend. Yeah, yeah. [ squawk ] hot dog or. Chicken . 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Look At The map. The red represents areas with high transmission. The orange is substantial transmission. Which is a lot of the map. According to the cdc, transmission is high enough in 63 of the country right now that indoor maskwearing is recommended regardless of vaccination status. That was not the only stunning reversal out today from the cdc. 2 1 2 weeks ago cdc said that fully vaccinated students will not need to wear masks when they return to classrooms this fall. Today they took that back. The change in policy also applies to all students or people who work in the classroom. The cdc says its recommending that all students, teachers, staff, students, and visitors wear masks in all k12 schools this fall, regardless of their vaccination status. Joining us is dr. Row chel walensky, director of the cdc. Dr. Walensky, Thank You for your im, Thank You for being with us this evening. The reaction ive seen on Social Media to this is its giving people whiplash. The cdc has changed fairly suddenly in the opinion of some people. Give me a sense of the science behind this decision. Good evening, thanks for having me. 80 of those counties that are orange or red hatch less than 40 of people vaccinated, so those counties very much correspond to the people who are undervaccinated in this country. Where we have not put up a large enough fortress as a population to tackle this Delta Variant. I think thats really important because the main message here is that map looks like that because we havent done a good enough job of getting people vaccinated. The most important message is to get vaccinated. When i became the director of the cdc, i felt it my responsibility, and i told the american people, that i would follow science. And that science would be what is motivating and driving our recommendations. When we were in may, we had 1 of our sequences beagle that, the majority of our sequences were an Alpha Variant of the virus. And the data on the Alpha Variant demonstrated thAt The vaccines were working really well against preventing severe disease and death, and if you happened to get a breakthrough infection, you couldnt transmit that Alpha Variant to others. So whats happened in the last two months . Whats happened in the last two months is that now we have 83 if not more of our sequences that are the Delta Variant. We know the Delta Variant is much more transmissible, even in the absence of the in the absence of vaccination. We see that in the map and why its gotten so red so fast. What we learned, really just even in the last several days, is that if you happen to be a vaccinated person that was a socalled breakthrough infection, somebody who is vaccinated but got infected anyway, a rare event, thAt Those People Cab now, with the more transmissible Delta Variant, transmit to other people. That was really why we updated our guidance with the update of new science that came over the last several days. So in the last day or so, weve heard from new york city, the state of california, the department of veterans affairs, thAt They are requiring people to be vaccinated or provide proof or ongoing testing. Do you think we are approaching a time where we should be empowering organizations and companies to be able to do that, to mandate vaccination . You know, since may we have always said that local jurisdictions need to really understand whats going on locally. We have a very Heterogenous Population right now. We have areas of this country that have enormous rates of vaccination and very low rates of the disease. We have areas of this country that have low rates of vaccination and extraordinarily high rates of disease. So we always knew thAt The responsibility was going to have to fall locally to make these policies. So yes, i think that is exactly what needs to happen. Are you changing any of your behaviors in terms of travel, interacting with people, how youre dealing with other people . Weve been so excited about the reopening of america. You know, this weighs heavily on me. Weve been doing this 18 months. America is tired. America is sick. America has seen a lot of people suffer. And america has suffered a lot of loss. So this is not something that i expected would be welcome news. It was certainly not something that i wanted to do. But my job is to protect the Safety And Health of the american people. So this is what i felt we had to do with the new science that was given to us. I am definitely masking more now. Dr. Walensky, thanks for your time tonight. Dr. Rochelle walensky is the director of the cdc. When we come back, well hear more from todays harrowing testimony about the storming of the capitol, including words i never thought i would hear uttered in a congressional hearing, said for a powerful reason. Stay with us. 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Com one of the most powerful and disturbing moments At Todays January 6th hearing was hearing the officers who were there that Day Recount firsthand the racism they encountered from many in the protrump crowd. Were going to play a portion of thAt Testimony. I want to warn you in advance, this video contains racial epithets and strong language that are disturbing to here. Ill be honest and tell you we debated whether or not to play those words. We decided its best not to censor what officer Harry Dunn told the nation today. If you would prefer not to hear them, and we understand if you do, now is the time to mute your tv for the next minute and a half. Heres Officer Dunn. I told them to just leave the capitol, and in response they yelled, no, man, this is our house. President trump invited us here. Were here to stop the steal. Joe biden is not the president. Nobody voted for joe biden. I responded, well, i voted for joe biden, does my vote not count . Am i nobody . That prompted a torrent of racial epithets. One woman in a pink Maga Shirt yelled, you hear that, guys . This nigger voted for joe biden. Then the crowd, perhaps around 20 people, joined in screaming, boo, fing nigger. No one has ever, ever called me a nigger while wearing the uniform of a Capitol Police officer. In the days following the attempted insurrection, other black officers shared with me their own stories of racial abuse on January 6th. One officer told me he had never, in his entire 40 years of life, been called a nigger to his face. And that streak ended on January 6th. That streak ended on January 6th. That was Capitol Police officer Harry Dunn. His colleague, Capitol Police officer aquilino goodell, said some rioters commented on the color of his skin and told him he wasnt american. Carrying blue Lives Matter flags as they attacked Law Enforcement. Those lines, the Blue Line across the black american flag, started to pop up all over the country as part of the backlash to the growing black Lives Matter movement against racist policing in america. Proponents of socalled blue Lives Matter movement waved that flag in order to claim thAt They opposed calls for racial justice, not because they support racism, but because they support police. Yet on January 6th, when so many of those blue Lives Matter supporters were faced with the decision about whether it was more important to back the blue and Support Law and order, or join with a violent, racist mob attacking Law Enforcement, they made it clear to the officers who were there that day whAt Their real priorities were. As these officers came forward to tell their story what was they experienced that day, under oath, how will the socalled proponents of Law Enforcement respond . Joining me, derek johnson, the President And Ceo of the naacp. Derek, good to see you, Thank You for being with us. This testimony today, some of which weve heard before, which of which we knew anecdotally, that is hard to shrug off. You know, im not surprised. Domestic terrorism in this country has always been based in white supremacy. Unfortunately, the prior administration allowed racism, division, and hatred to germinate in a way in which people felt more emboldened. But i was glad to see Congressman Johnson Chair this committee, someone who grew up in mississippi, had to face down racist attacks throughout his entire career. What we are looking at is this concept of who people see as legitimate citizens and not legitimate citizens. And africanamericans have long had to face that question, whether it was us advocating for education, access to voting, or just to make sure thAt The constitution also applied to us. What weve seen on January 6th was an insurrection. That insurrection was based on white supremacy. And weve seen it before. But it was during the civil war. We dont often play profanity and epithets on air. But we thought it was important to hear that, because Theres Something different about doing this under oath and telling the nation in an investigation into what happened. Does Anything Change because of that part of the testimony . Do you think there are people who have denied the importance of studying January 6th and the movements that may have led to it, might tonight register thAt The penny might drop for them and say, Theres Something here . I hope so. You know, unfortunately, media has been so democratized that individuals only go to the places where they want to hear their likeness and to reinforce their frame of thinking. What weve seen today on public display is undeniable. What we know in this nation, if you allow domestic terrorism to go unaccounted for, you guarantee more domestic terrorism to exist. Thats what africanamericans face in the south throughout the time of segregation. These were individuals who were waving flags, the confederate flag, who felt they were doing their patriotic duty. But in fact, they were holding up a treasonous symbol, commemorating a treasonous act, under this notion thAt There was a supreme race, and we did nothing to stop them. We must stop what were seeing on January 6th, because if we dont address not only those who were out there, but everyone who participated in planning and carrying out that insurrectionist, treasonous act. You know, for the last year and a half, most of the times that weve seen Police Officers on tv in the course of carrying out their duty, it hasnt been particularly positive. Its been because of things that have happened. So this sort of this one is a little hard to calculate. Because you are hearing from these Police Officers of color, talking about whAt They experienced from this mob, yet we are still struggling in this country with the very reason why we have a black Lives Matter movement, because people said they were facing violence At The hands of police, black people said that, other people said, thats not true, people dont arrest people and beAt Them and up kill them for the sake of it. How are we reconciling this now . Lets be clear. Law enforcement officers by and large are not bad people who we have in eight Law Enforcement agencies across the country that lack the mechanism to hold officers accountable when they cause harm in our community. We have far too many agencies that have been they have allowed white Supremacist Mentality to invade their ranks, and they have done nothing about it. We have allow a small community to fan the flame of fear of otherness, therefore giving Police Justifications to create a Reign Terror on far too many communities. We have to rightsize the relationship between Law Enforcement agencies and community. But we have to recognize that white Supremacist Dogma has invaded Law Enforcement agencies, we have to root it out, we have to hold people accountable. We must people communities safe. Derrick, so many of our conversations the last year have been about the different experience of being american. The different america that you experience depending on the color of your skin. Sometimes as it relates to policing. Lets listen to what Officer Dunn had to say. Congressman adam schiff, head of the house intel committee, asked him about his experience in america. Is this america what you saw . Everybody even sitting At This table fought a different battle that day, but it was all for the same war. And as black officers, i believe we fought a different battle also. And the fact that we had our race attacked, just because of the way we look, you know to answer your question frankly, i guess it is america. It shouldnt be. But i guess thats the way thAt Things are. This message we keep hearing over and over again, i guess that is america, thats the way things are. That reconciliation has been very difficult on america in the last year for other people to see it, and they saw it with George Floyd, they looked at it and said, George Floyd lived a different life than a White American would if the same thing had happened. You know, i too see america. And that was one of the most profound poems of the Harlem Renaissance is the recognition thAt The constitution that we have fought for, the constitution that we helped build around, the reality of that, america has never been about a supreme race, it has always been about the many. Unfortunately, that constitution, those promises, the guarantees have not always been afforded. When you have someone who put on a uniform to protect and serve and seek to be a part of this concept of america, to perfect america, you have those who want an america thats not america. Thats segregated, thats separate. It has nothing to do with the constitution and the guarantees therein. Therefore, we must address those individuals and stop maligning many in my community and other communities because i, too, see america. Derrick, always a pleasure to talk to you, derrick johnson, President And Ceo of the naacp. We appreciate your time tonight. Even if congress investigates the January 6th attack on the capitol, hundreds of criminal cases are working their way through the court system. Based on evidence thAt The alleged insurrectionists posted online themselves. Well get the latest when we come back. Ack. Thma attack. That doesnt happen. This is the sound of better breathing. 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Hes an alleged rioter from January 6th who was arrested yesterday in pennsylvania and charged with federal offenses like assaulting, resisting, obstructing Law Enforcement. Federal prosecutors have footage of him grabbing a Bike Rack thAt The Capitol Police were using as a barricade and trying to pull it down with one hand while spraying At Them with what appears to be mace with his other hand. And if that wasnt enough evidence for you, prosecutors also have this video from a few hours later that day, where lazar openly admits to macing the police. Listen, those tyrannical pieces of [ bleep ], we maced them right the [ bleep ] back. We maced them right the f back. During a brief Court Appearance Lazar intends to dispute his charge. Lazar is the latest of over 500 individuals arrested in the past six months in conjunction with the attack on the capitol. Like in many of those cases the evidence in lazars arrest, the videos of him macing the police, the video of him confessing to it all, all come from what is essentially a small army of Volunteer Internet sleuths, regular people who have combed through tons of Social Media photos and videos to identify rioters and tip off the fbi about their actions. Now given the volume of evidence, youd think they would move very quickly. But just 25 people so far have pled guilty, which leaves 550 more cases left to resolve. Its a ton to keep track At The Huffington Post than been watching January 6th riot cases like a hawk. Thanks for joining us tonight. I think the question a lot of people have is there is probably been no incident in recent history there is so much video from so many angles and corroborating witnesses and people admitting and posting on Social Media themselves they were there and taking pride in it. Why are there not way more convictions and guilty pleas At This point . Yeah, i mean, i think the answer is bureaucracy. Look At The extent of this investigation. Imagine an inbox of 200,000 tips. Thats a lot of tips. Thats more than the fbi received At This point and to organize it is difficult in a lot of ways is old school. The fbi there say real resistance to putting things down in writing. There is a heavy reliance on email. When there is this system that doesnt necessarily, you know, isnt up to speed and takes a little while to catch up to cases, its really causing a backlog here and a lot of these Sedition Hunters that identified individuals months ago and watch him go to rallies are confused why its taking so long. They have individual relationships with fbi agents but others are dumping this into a Black Hole when they send something to the fbi and dont know where the tip goes. So the Sam Lazar Case has been out there awhile and now the fbi does something about it. Him sitting out there for a long time is something thats difficult for the fbi to explain and might be something this commission is interested in, as well. So there are a lot of people being charged. There are virtually no people that have been identified that are let off the hook but the gravity of these charges is different. You may be of the mind all of them should be charged because they all did something wrong but some of them are being charged with relatively minor charges. Not generally being let off the hook but charged with minor things. There is a lot more energy going into the serious stuff. Thats right. Those charges that a lot of the misdemeanor charges that most of the defendants are facing are the sort of thing you would face if you went to the capitol, properly went through security and interrupted a hearing. The same charge. There is a little push back from people in the communities thAt This is a much different event than a Code Pink Protester that holds up a sign during an unfolding congressional hearing. But, you know, thats basically whAt The charge that prosecutors have at hand and you dont want to over reach, of course, because Thats Something that already republicans and some of the Defense Attorneys are accusing the government of doing even though if you compare this to a lot of recent cases the Justice Department handled, they are going more lax than they were against Anti Trump protesters back in during the trumps first inauguration. So i think Thats Something thAt The Justice Department keeps in mind because if they do over reach and they do over charge someone, that will have tremendous consequences not only in the judicial system but also in the legislative system because thats where well see a lot of political push back if there is over charging by the Justice Department. Officer hodges, one of the four police who testified today said most of the officers used the term terrorist. Officer hodges held up the u. S. Code to back it up so they were making a distinction between somebody that interferes in a hearing and whAt These folks were doing. Yeah, this is an interesting legal distinction because there isnt a law that makes it illegal. That surprises a lot of americans. On the back end, you can get a Terrorism Enhancement and classify something as an act of terrorism but broadly speaking, there is not just one law that says this makes an act of terrorism, domestic terrorism illegal. Notably, gunning down people in a Mob Isnt one of them so thats not something that would normally be classified as a domestic terrorism incident. If you look at dylann roofs charges years back, that wasnt domestic terrorism. Under the legal definition, i think officer hodges is right this meets the definition. That is something federal prols prosecutors have been saying and the doj referenced domestic terrorism statutes and calls it a domestic Terrorism Investigation and there are many domestic terrorism prosecutors that handle cases assigned to it and handling it as such. They will be careful to deploy that charge because thats obviously a politically loaded charge. You have to be careful about deploying it properly but there is no other way to describe what happened on January 6th. WhAt They were trying to do is influence the government and this is a violent act to inflew we think so the governments actions. Its really hard to get away from that definition when thats basically by the books what it is. Thank you for joining us. Senior Justice Reporter at Huffington Post. We have an update on a Story Rachel has been following closely. Stay with us. Been following closely. Stay with us nonononono please please no. I never needed anyone. Front desk. Yes, hello. Im so. Please hold. 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Forces and Living In Fear of the taliban who are quickly advancing through the region. As of now, the u. S. Has yet to safely evacuate a single wartime ally in the 13 days since the operation to rescue them was announced. Tens of thousands still wait in fear they or their families would be the next ones targeted while they wait for their exit. There has been some movement on the issue. Today the bipartisan leaders announced an agreement to spend over A Billion dollars to cover the costs of resettlement for Afghan Translators. This is part of a larger Emergency Measure intended to fund additional security on Capitol Hill and reimburse the u. S. Capitol police and National Guard in the wake of January 6th insurrection. It progress but by no means a done deal. Chuck schumer hopes to get the bill pasted this week but that of course, involves republican senators so we shall see. Well continue to keep a close eye on this story as it develops because frankly, time is running out. That does it for us tonight. Well see you again tomorrow. Time now for The Last Word with lawrence odonnell. Lawrence, you and i i think probably and our viewers have seen what we thought was all the video we could see and hear out stories we could hear about January 6th but today blew my mind. There was more and it was that much more compelling and that much more serious and it lays waste to those people who say there is nothing more to hear here. I think congressman Adam Kinzinger spoke for all of us when he expressed his surprise how emotional this hearing was for him and for us watching on television and i believe for anyoneho

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