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This week the uae released video of cars driving through rain that was created by scientists. They launched drones into the sky that zapped clouds with electricity. This caused droplets to clump together. And instead of evaporating in midair from the heat, The Rain Drops were large enough to reach the ground. It is the top of the hour and its always good to be with you. The Delta Variant is surging in all 50 states. St. Louis and st. Louis county are all set to bring back mask mandates. Well dive into the latest with our Saturday Night panel. Its day two of the olympics in tokyo. Team usas gymnastics and volleyball teams all compete in a few hours. Well talk about how far the olympics have come for women and how far they still have to go. And Jeff Bezos Rocket launch has a lot of people excited about space tourism. Others are cynical about the billionaire space race, but i see a problem with both sides of this debate. Ill explain in tonights essay. From nbc News World Headquarters in new york, im Joshua Johnson. Welcome to the week. , you know, after more than a year indoors and with vaccinations on the rise this summer was supposed to be much more fun. Scratch that record. The Delta Variant is threatening to pull everybody back indoors perhaps for a long time. Just over 57 of eligible adults are fully vaccinated. And the biden administration is calling this new wave of infections the pandemic of the unvaccinated. Cases are surging in states with some of the lowest Vaccination Rates like louisiana, mississippi and alabama. But theres some good news. These states are also seeing an uptick in vaccinations. And this increase will save lives, but not everyone is onboard. A new poll shows that the overwhelming majority of Unvaccinated Americans say they are still unlikely to do so. Confidence in the Vaccines Potency against new variants is also low at least among the unvaccinated. And thats despite evidence that they do work. Patience among the vaccinated is wearing thin. Alabamas Governor Kay Ivey has clearly had enough. What is it going to take to get people to get shots in arms . I dont know you Tell Me. Folks are supposed to have common sense. And its time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks not the regular folks. Its the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down. So how do we increase vaccinations . Well, the nfl had one idea this week. Maybe this will seem a little harsh but heres what theyre going to do. Commissioner roger goodal, told teams this week if they had an outbreak among their players they would forfeit a game, and no player on either team would get paid for that week. Could this be a Model Future companies might follow, or do we just need better information overall . Some antivaccination groups on facebook are using coded language to spread this information without getting flagged by moderators. They substitute words like dancing for vaccination. So much to discuss this hour with our Saturday Night panel. Joining us Tonight Ben collins. He covers Disinformation And Extremism online. Davidson, a sports and cultural writer for the athletic, author of Loving Sports when they dont love you back, dilemmas of the modern fan. And Comedian And Actor helen hall, you might know her from wait, wait dont Tell Me or the netflix hit never have i ever. Hello, helen, hello, everybody. And ben, let me start with you. And that story we mentioned at the very end, this disinformation Thats Kind of Massacre Aiding in other texts. Explain whats going on there. On facebook if you were to create a group that said the vaccine is filled with poison, you shouldnt take it that would get taken down very quickly. Facebook does not allow that. So what are antivaxers doing to remain on the Platform Intheyre changing the names of their groups to dance Party Or Dinner party or swim party or things like that. And once youre in the group they replace the Word Vaccine with Dance Or Beer or something. Moderna gets changed to moana that sort of thing. They are doing Code Word switches. Its allowing them to stay on there, and theres no way that facebooks Moderation Bots can catch this stuff. Nothing is that advanced because they just change the topic and then they change the nouns in those topics to suit the vaccine. But doesnt facebook know which groups these are sfr even though you change the name of ingroup it should be able to trace thats the same account with a new name, right . Yeah, hypothetically, right . Sometimes they build up followers, antivaccine followers on facebook and Ips Tugram are not big famous people to regular parts of the planet, but they are big to people big in the national Health Community or already antivaccine to begin with, which so really facebooks next step is to look at this on the after level as theyd call it in terrorism, to look at it on the level of the people who keep pushing this stuff and not go hunting for just p words on their own platform. Theres been movement among some conservative politicos, wellknown figures, republican lawmakers who have kind of changed their tune in terms of getting vash vaccinated. That includes Fox News Show Host Hannity whos walked back some of what he said. Listen. I never told anyone to get a vaccine. Ive been very clear. I am simply not qualified. I am not a medical doctor. I knownothing about your medical history or your current medical condition. I think its inappropriate for me to do so. Whats your sense of what all this might mean in terms of actually getting people vaccinated . Well, first of all, i dont think ive ever heard Sean Hannity admit to not being qualified enough to chent on something theres that. Im glad you just said it. I think its sad at The End of the day we do need these commentators to change their tune. A very cynical part of me thinks this has to do with money. I think a lot of these commentators and politicians as well pandemic is a really bad business, the Stock Market dips if cases go up. And this is just not good policy or politics for our future. The sad thing is we need these people to change their messaging in order to reach those 81 of nonvaccinated folks that say they wont get vaccinated. I just imagine i just imagine like the Fox News Executive meeting where they were like, oh, man, our Audience Numbers are dead. And theyre like oh, really low numbers, and they were like no, theyre literally dead. See, now, you had to make it personal. But i hear what youre saying. This gets at the heart of why many people have decided to not get vaccinated. I mean, weve heard of Health Care providers who try to help people get reliable, accurate, useful information and gotten pushback because, well, that doesnt match what Tucker Carlson told me. So im not sure what exactly to do about that. But this is also one of the reasons that weve seen such a push within leagues like the nba and the nfl to have the biggest names and the biggest faces representing their sports like Lebron James Go Out and say ive been vaccinated. Its important for people who look like me and have skepticism about this, not the extreme skepticism, but this is why the faces of these leagues and these issues that we see on Tv Matter to the people who are still skeptical about this vaccine. Yeah, helen, what about that . If nfl players are getting vaccinated, i tend to think thats a really powerful kind of cudgel. A, because i think and maybe ben, you can chime on this, too. But a number of the Fitness Influencers and Bodybuilder Muscle heads ive seen on instagram seem to be very kind of proud of the fact theyre sort of kind of going through life just without the vaccine, kind of like macho man, going through it seems a little bit screwed to me. But nfl players have a very different kind of place in our culture. Absolutely. Theyre totally idolized, and, you know, they have those great butts in those great like Butt Hugging Outfits see, helen, what are you trying to do to me . If youre a Top Level Elite Athlete and you can still play at your agame after getting vaccinated, i think Joe Shmoe really doesnt have a leg to stand on like, i dont know, im not sure what the vaccination is going to do to me. Its really going to hurt my barstool time. These are Top Level Elite Athletes. Theyre still playing great after getting vaccinated. You just dont have an argument after that. And also its so cynicalcurb but i feel like it is its true that the gop is finally coming around to the fact that, you know, the most unhelpful republicans are dead republicans. And thats where theyre at. Its like their constituency is literally dying off from the coronavirus so maybe change your tune on that. I mean, there is that. I think as real World Evidence begins to proliferate, that kind of changes things i think, particularly, ben, because more private businesses in real world like the nfl and others are saying that theyre going to require some sort of vaccination to have access, to remain employed. So whether you like the vaccine or not, you know, push may be about to hit shove in this case. Yeah, i think utwhat you said, by the way, about the nfl is great. I know this is kind of a stupid thought but here we are talking about people just, you know, people trying to prove how strong they are not getting the vaccine so i think were already in the stupid territory. I think at some point here changing the narrative to be about the muscle youtubers you were just talking about being like im so strong, i got the vaccine. Thats where this needs to head because right now thats the constituency. About Fox News realizing this is bad for business, i dont think its necessarily wrong. I think its dead on. I think basically there was a constituency over the last year that has been guzzling youtube juice, and that constituency had one Cable News Network to follow. Fox news was catering to people stuck inside, and the only network well, kavitha, also we heard from a number of administration officials including dr. Fauci who was on with Neal Caveato of Fox News and he made it just about as plain as can possibly be said. Listen. If you dont get the overwhelming proportion of the population vaccinated, you will have the continual Circulation And Replication of the virus in the community. There are enough unvaccinated people that this could go on for a considerable period of time. There will be hospitalizations. There will be deaths, and every death and every hospitalization particularly every death is a tragic, avoidable phenomenon. Kavitha, before we pause i think Thats Kind of nail on the head is that you dont have to get sick from this, you dont have to die from this. And on top of that, even if youre not sick, if youre circulating it, then youre helping us get to the next problem. Im not worried about the Delta Variant, im worried about the episalaam variant. Yeah, absolutely. I think its interesting to see how dr. Fauci has had to evolve in his strategy on attacking this. He tried explaining the science. That clearly hasnt worked. I think now were at a point of Peer Pressure and taking away toys from people, taking away the things theyre going to be able to do. You will not be able to go to a Baseball Game without a mask on six months down the line if you dont get the vaccine now, that kind of thing. And i think thats really, unfortunately, where the effectiveness is going to lie and where were going to see some change. I wish we had time to play the video of dr. Fauci rolling his neck at Rand Paul in a Senate Committee this week and saying you do not know what you are talking about. Like oh, my gosh, you had a conversation with your hairdresser and she told you to let him have it, and he did. We have to take a break. Please stick around. Yall are going to be a fun panel, i can tell. Weve got some interesting things to talk about when we come back. Coming up, were seeing near equal Gender Representation at the tokyo olympics, but general discrimination across the Sports World remains an issue, so what impact Will Visibility in tokyo have . Also cubas antigovernment protests are still going on nearly two weeks after they started. Are these demonstrations a moment or a new movement . But first Richard Loie is here with the headlines. A vehicle blowing through an Intersection Saturday Hit Agwoman and her infant. That vehicle then crashing into a building. The car trapped the baby underneath it. Two Police Officers and some helpful bystanders worked together to lift that car. The child was rescued. Mother and child seriously injured, but they are expected to survive. Now, this new York Car the driver faces charges including driving while intoxicated and vehicular assault. Thousands hit The Streets in sydney, australia to protest covid restrictions. Unmasked marchers carried signs calling for Freedom And Truth over the last 24 hours. That area faced a Record Number of newicateses. More of the week with Joshua Johnson right after a short break. With Joshua Johnson right after a short break. One wash, stains are gon. [daughter] slurping dont pay for water. Pay for clean. Its got to be tide. 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This week the norwegian Womens Beach Handball team was fined after deciding they would not play in bikinis. Male players are required to play in Tank Top and shorts. Women are required to wear Bikini Bottoms with a close fit and upward angle. So how far have we come, and how far do we still have to go . Our panel is back to discuss. And helen han, i thought id start with you on this whole wow. I mean this is the most blatant, sexist move. Its like theres obviously no you know, like physical advantage to wearing Bikini Bottoms or wearing shorts if youre in competition. So this is just men just want to ogle womens bodies or something. Its just so blatant. And i cant say that i play Beach Volleyball often. I have hooked up on the beach, and i can tell you unequivocally that getting sand in your crotch not a fun experience. So i think these women should be able to be able to wear whatever they want to prevent sand crotch, and bikini is not going to cut it ill tell you that to prevent sand crotch. I think weve made history on msnbc. I dont think anyone has used that phrase on the air. Im happy to bring sand crotch. Appreciate it. That makes four times. Kavitha, i think i would see this differently if the rule was all athletes are are to wear formfitting athletes. That if female athletes had to wear bikinis then male athletes had to wear Compression Shorts. That would make sense to me because at least you could kind of make an argument in the regulations its functional as opposed to stylistic. Sure, Compression Shorts being as controversial as they are. Exactly, right. I actually wrote a column about objectifying athletes in the olympics during rio. I had a similar admiration for our swimmer conor duier, but the distinction ill make is that when male athletes are objectified. Obviously every olympian has a beautiful body. This is something that should be celebrated. Thats part of the point of some of these games. Now, taim male athletes even when theyre noted for being beautiful or very wellbuilt theyre still seen as athletes first. And thats not the case with female athletes. Thers also precedent here. Several years ago the australian Womens Basketball Team was forced to wear these very skintight formfitting body suits, and their Governing Body they said they did were not comfortable with them. Their Governing Body came outright now said and this makes you more marketable because it makes you sexier to find. Theyre just saying the quiet part out loud all over again. I hear that. But another story with regards to women in sports we took note of is a model by the name of Lana Bloom set to make history as the first Trans Woman of color on the cover of the first sports illustrated swimsuits issue. They didnt finish a colored model until Tyra Banks in 96. This seems a big deal in addition to other luke athletes in the olympics this year. By the way, its kind of incredible. Apparently what i read recently its the most lgbtq athletes in any olympics. So thats an incredible advancement. I do want to just bring this up i read about in the Washington Post today. She is incredible. She is in her 30s. She has an architecture degree. She went to m. I. T. , and shes not really certain skateboarding should be a sport at the olympics and shes skateboarding at the olympic. I think everybody should be like no, my sport is not a sport and by the way im going to win gold for whatever. I dont know if any of you should be here, but if you have to, get behind me. Yeah, exactly. And by the way thats an american right there. That is the most american thing i could ever think of. Fact. We need more of these kind of people in the olympics. People so happy this is like a hobby, i guess, but i would like some gold in my life. If you got gold laying around you might as well, my necks right here. Helen, another story related to Women Sports we saw kind of on the other side of the field or the court on the air we saw an allwomen Broadcast Crew make history this week as they called a major league Baseball Game. I thought this was remarkable in part because of the way that the commentator, the play by Play Person is kind of cast versus the Color Commentators versus the Side Line reporters, like being the voice of authority that explains the game as it happens. Thats big. Like that is a absolutely. And its 100 overdue. You know, im a stand up comedian, and, you know, we Women Comedians all stick together and we talk. And, you know, its completely normal and accepted that you might go to a Comedy Club and see an allmale Lineup And Nobody bats an eye lash. But if you went to a Comedy Club and saw an all female lineup people would be like its ladies night, its girls night, what is even happening . Its the Funniest Night of the week. Thats whats happening. Yeah. And the fact for literally the entire History Of Sports Broadcasting its been all men in all the positions all the time. Like, lets give the women a chance, and lets not make a big deal out of it because we havent been making a big deal of the men dominating. So the women dominating its just overdue, and they did such a great job. And they were the voice of authority. No more just Side Line Color Commentator for us, ladies. Were taking over. Kavitha, one more story i wanted to get to before we have to pause. The cleveland major League Baseball Team announced its changing its mascot to the cleveland guardians. This is a reference to the statues on the Hope Memorial Bridge which are known as the guardians of traffic. They were big icons that were built that were included in the bridge when it was built. Ive heard mixed opinions on this, not only as to whether or not people like the name. There is a Cleveland Native on our team and his oneword reaction to the name was blegh. But other than the people who didnt like the choice of the mascot, others who think this necessary, virtue signaling, if its enough, how do you see it . First of all i think they should have gone with spiders. Thats exactly what he said. Whats up with the spiders . It was a missed opportunity. Your clevelander knows. Honestly were going to have these conversations about whether its necessary to change a racist damaging name or mascot. There are still more than 80 High Schools in the country that use the former Washington Football teams name. This is something we need to continually change and evolve in. I will also say this is something that has been necessary and native peoples have been fighting for half a century and its finally happening. Can you explain to me in 10 seconds why spiders would have made sense before we go to break . The logo itself was enough. The logo. Okay, all right. And theyre terrifying. Spiders are terrifying. There you go. Scary and the logo. I will see if my Executive Producer agrees with your assessment of spiders. Just one second. I want to say i root for the boston Red Blanket you put on your tootsees every day so the idea we Cant Change these nims is ridiculous. Now im feeling boston red tootsies. You three stick around. Weve got plenty more to talk about. Up next Jeff Bezos took the bill Yan Airspace race to new heights this week. Some folks arent happy about it partly because of his conduct here at earth. Well get to the panel just ahead. Stay close. Well get to the panel just ahead. Stay close i order my groceries online now. Shingles doesnt care. I keep my social distance. Shingles doesnt care. I stay within my family bubble. Shingles doesnt care. Because if youve had chicken pox, youre already carrying the virus that causes shingles. In fact, about 1 in 3 people will develop shingles, and the risk only increases as you age. 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The team at late night with Seth Myers tweeted, quote, his flight lasted 10 minutes or as Amazon Employees call it maternity leave. Tweeted, quote, Jeff Bezos is making his first trip to space today. Its amazing in our lifetime he could create jobs that pay less than a Living Wage on other planets, too. And mr. Bezos has not exactly helped his cause. After landing safely he said this. I want to thank every Amazon Employee and every Amazon Customer because you guys paid for all this. Youre welcome . How we balance these concerns about Wealth Inequality and the Billionaire Elite with the benefits of space exploration, and for some people the Flat Out Cool Factor of inventing new ways to go to space . Our panel is back. Standup Comedian Actress helen hong, also director and producer, nbcs ben collins, kavitha davens sports can Culture Writer at the athletic. Ben, i wonder if were getting caught up in the weeds of some of this just because Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are so controversial slash likable to some people as opposed to the benefits of being able to explore space in new ways including with reusable rockets that will just cost less to fly . Yeah, im sure there are benefits. But, you know, at The End of the day these are some of the richest and most bombastic people on Social Media and in our lives. And, you know, they took a trip funded by our purchases on amazon apparently up to space while, you know, as motherboard reported this week, there was a woman last year who worked at an Amazon Factory and asked for lighter duty when she was pregnant, was not given that because of the demands of the job and miscarried. Also over the last few Years Amazon has consistently downplayed or Flat Out lied about the fact that workers have to pee in bottles to get through shifts. They say its not happening. Its absolutely happening. Its something workers continually talk about. So this guy went to space, which is cool. And we have a tremendous gap between people who can do that, people who need to work two or three jobs just to get by to put food on the table here. I think there probably was a more tactful way of doing it. However, quickly this is the thing on tv because it looks cool. Look how cool it looks. Thats amazing. But were not talking about the people that are really, like, trod upon in society from these businesses. Kavitha, in terms of what to do about that, i understand the concerns about Wealth Inequality and billionaires paying their fair share in taxes. But it you want to complain about taxes Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk dont set task policy. Congress sets policy and the irs including President Biden going after the laws we already have. Thats gotten push back from congressional republicans already. So i understand the complaint. Im just not sure were debating the right solutions to this problem. I mean, weve been Debating Closing Loopholes in capital Gains Tax and the entire Irs Code for decades now. I dont see hopefully a new push from the administration will help do that. I do also think we need to at some point develop new technology to help these rockets look a little bit less like how they look right now. Im also thinking back to when Jeff Bezos paid 20 Billion for an ad and had to pull it because news of his affair broke. So this seems like maybe the most expensive rebound ever. Im not sure where that stand. Helen, im almost afraid to come to you on this one because i you should be because heres what i have to say. Jeff bezos we thought his spaceship looked like a giant wiener, and then, huh . Then he opened his mouth. I just think, you know i just think, you know, a Trash Bag in space is still a Trash Bag. Now its a floating Trash Bag. Jeff, pay your workers a fair wage, please. Helen, let me just ask. I hear you on all the points youre making. Does that eclipse all the potential value of this flight for you . Yes. Right now currently there are like large swaths of the planet literally on fire. We are dealing with a massive climate problem, and were going to and weve just contributed more Carbon Dioxide into the air so this guy can have 10 minutes, you know, to look at the like to experience zero gravity . Come on, yes theres absolutely no help to billionaires not even doing scientific missions, just billionaires ladidaing in space. Pay your workers and lets fix the climate problem. There was a Nasa Scientific Experimental Sample on the Virgin Galactic flight that went out. So there was some noncorporate related scientific research that went on with at least one of these flights. But, ben, the other piece of this for me is that the bell is rung, right . We already know there are other nations including china who are not shy about their aspirations in space. And i dont think that china is going to be nearly as permissive with space in terms of their military and commercial aspirations as the united states might be. Also we have already kind of seen how Space Science is going to effect life on earth. Elon musk already sent a rocket into space that was selfpiloted, so the debate over selfdriving cars is over. They are coming. Mark my words. This debate if you can fly a spaceship you can drive an 18 wheeler across the country. So, ben, im just not sure how we have the conversation in a way that allows us to raise the arguments that helen raised for sure but also kind of brace for future that is already on the way. Yeah, were its difficult to decouple the conversation about the legitimate gains of Space Travel and how cool that could be and how useful that could be for us from the people who are you know, who got us to that place. At least for the privatization of that place. You know, when Jeff Bezos went up there he was like were going to go on the Moon And Move industry to the moon. Please dont mess with the moon. Its like the only thing we havent messed with. Im begging you leave the moon alone. Its the last thing we have. Show of hands, who would go on one of these flights if money was no Ooj Anybody . Are they giving me money . If they were just going to give you a flight. Helen, you would go. Ben, kavitha . After all the things ive said about Jeff Bezos, no, i will not go. Ben collins, kavitha davidson, helen hong, you three too much fun. I appreciate you being here. Thanks very much. The rest of you please stick around because ive got a few more thoughts on space tourism, socalled space tourism. Up next the cuban people are at a breaking point. Will antigovernment protests bring the change theyre after . Ing the change theyre after icy hot. Ice works fast. Heat makes it last. Feel the power of contrast therapy, so you can rise from pain. 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Reporter the protests our spontaneous, Thousands Chanting Freedom as they marched, organized loosely over Social Media. The biggest antigovernment demonstrations the Island Nation has seen in decades. And the crack down was fierce. Security forces shooting at unarmed protesters, Plain Clothes officers beating men, women and children. Arresting protesters, dragging them off. Hundreds swept up still in prison according to human rights groups. Now the question, was it a moment or the beginning of a movement . We are not going to stay quiet. We are not going to give up. Cuban people have our support. And were requesting President Biden to take action and support the cuban people. Reporter in the u. S. And around the world cuban exiles are still marching in solidarity, cheering protesters on. But on The Streets of havana patrolled by heavily armed government troops and police, are there have been no new large protests in days. The cuban people are at a breaking point. Covid is surging. The economy is in tatters. Many waiting six or seven or eight hours just to purchase simple goods. The only thing there is a lot of is scarcity. As they often do, Cubas Leader blaming the u. S. Embargo. Though after the protests broke out he announced the regime would allow travelers coming into the country to bring in Food And Medicine until december, something they hadnt been able to do before. But with limited commercial flights every day and not everyone having a Family Member that can support them from the outside, its unclear what impact this will make. Cuba has been ruled by a dictatorial socialist regime since Fidel Castro came to power in 1959. But as Social Media and the internet take hold and more young people find their voices, these protests may just be the start. That was Nightly News Saturday Anchor Jose diazbalart reporting. The bill Yan Airspace race has sparked a debate over space tourism, but that term says something about us that we may not want to face. 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Theres one more piece of this Space Debate ive been struggling with. Maybe its a sign of our cynical nonplussed culture. Words matter, and i think we need to use two words in particular much more carefully space tourism. Its one of the possibilities supporters and critics of these flights point to. Maybe youd go if you could, maybe not. But either way i dont think this term is right. We seem to throw this phrase around too much. And that reveals something about us that we might not want to accept. But in a way it feels familiar. This concern that were not devoting enough energy to problems here on earth. Author Gill Scott focused on that in a poem in 1969 just after the moon landing. Taxes taken my whole damn check. The junkies make me a nervous a nervous wreck, the price of food is going up, and as if all that crap wasnt enough, i rat done bit my sister, and whiteys on the moon. With all that money i made last year for whitey on the moon, how come i aint got no money here, hmm, whiteys on the moon. Can you blame the brother, considering what Race Relations looked like in the late 60s . The highest echelons of Human Achievement are still pretty much reserved for white men. Two things about this strike me as especially cruel. One, he was right at the time. Two, he was not quite as right as he thought he was. There was probably no way for him to know that behind these whiteys on the moon were a lot of black women. Many of us learned of them through the 2017 movie Hidden Figures. Before a computer was an object in your pocket, it was a job description, a Human Being who did exhausting mathematical calculations on paper. Nasa employed Human Computers to help with the early Space Program before machines did all the math. Back in 2019, nasa renamed The Street in front of its Washington Headquarters Hidden Figures way. And rightly so. Every digit and decimal meant the difference between making history and causing tragedy. And last summer, nasa renamed its headquarters after mary w. Jackson, Its First Black Female engineer. Janelle monae played her in the movie. Knowing about the Hidden Figures gives me more respect for Space Flight than i had before. These are not just trips. Theyre experiments. And they have gone wrong. Which brings us back to the billionaires. This months flights might have felt like an early form of space tourism. But admit it, when you watched these flights, especially if you watched live, one thought had to have gone through your head. What if it blows up . I know, thats a horrible thing to think about. But how could you not . It certainly crossed my mind. I was at work in South Florida on february 1, 2003, when i looked up and saw the same strange image on every channel in the newsroom. It was the Space Shuttle Columbia destroyed on reentry with seven souls aboard. We know what disaster looks like with the spacecraft were used to. Would this be our first memory of a new era of Space Flight, disaster . Nothing about Space Flight feels like tourism. And im from florida. I know tourism. Its a way to forget your troubles, get away from it all, let someone else worry about the details. Tourism provides planned, predictable experiences. Theres no room for the unexpected when youre building a Throw Ride or mounting a broadway musical. None of this sounds the Virgin Galactic or blue origin flights at all. Every person and every person on every flight sets a precedent. Weve never had privately owned spacecraft before. And each Flight Returns to Earth Overflowing with new data on how to get in, around, and back from space. So at this point, theres really no such thing as space tourism. Its all space exploration. Every single person aboard every single craft is an explorer. What will it mean to have a growing number of civilian explorers on earth . What will the long term impact be on their bodies, on their relationships, their politics . Their religions . How will that reshape humanity and what will it mean when a Civilians Life is lost on one of these commercial Space Flights . See, the fatal flaw of cynicism is that it requires certainty. Theres not much room for nuance. I dont know one cynic in the crowd of critics who can answer one of those questions. We just dont know. We cant know, not yet. Weve had three flights in three new vehicles during a pandemic. That is remarkable. But maybe were all just feeling really beaten down by the last few years and weve emotionally armored ourselves up. I think some of us are so used to being upset, we forgot how to be impressed. Maybe thats why some folks were quick to condemn these flights and slow to ask questions about every aspect of them. Thats my complaint. Not the presence of criticism, but the absence of curiosity. And dont get me wrong, there are good, smart questions to answer about the future of our tax structure, about Space Flight, about the power of the ultrawealthy. Those questions have merit. And Jeff Bezos might want to find better answers than thanking Amazon Customers for funding his flight. I mean, what did he think we would say . Youre welcome, i guess . We dont have to choose between cheering on these Moonshot Moguls or criticizing them. We can do both. But lets do both. We never know the impact things like this can have. But if history teaches us anything, we know we can be a part of it. Once an idea gets out, its there for anyone to grab on to. Im sure the founders of nasa never intended for black women to be held in such high esteem there. But it happened. Ive said it before and ill say it again, i know rockefeller never intended a guy like me to be living my dream in his skyscraper, but here i am. Billionaires may shape the future but they cannot make the future. Just because were not as powerful, that does not make us powerless. Look, i get it, Todays World is scary, uncertain. No wonder were stressed out and cynical. But lets show some humility in the face of the unknown, humility, curiosity, and above all, some hopes. Were explorers, all of us. We have to face the problems of today and we ought to let ourselves look up to the possibilities of tomorrow. Remember, dont let your view block your vision. And with that said, we would love to hear from you. How have the recent Space Flights affected you . Email us, theweek msnbc. Com, twitter, instagram. Tell us your name and where you live. Make sure you took the pics or video yourself. However you reach out, well share some of your stories tomorrow night. Before we go, congratulations to Team Usa for its first gold medal. Thanks for making time for us. Check out my essay on msnbc. Com about the networks 25th anniversary. Until we meet again, im Joshua Johnson. Thanks for making time for us. 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