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Now this comes at a terrible time for Donald Trump in the courts battling these separate indictments of his own entire company of the Trump Organization and the cfo. That probe is ongoing. We have more on how this exec intersects for you over night. All of this dates back to the 2016 campaign. Prosecutors say this is about far more than failing to register as a lobbyist. Handed off to this foreign government and its intermediaries. Barack is accused of shaping trumps policy. The Candidate Donald Trump would pledge to work together with supportive allies in the gulf. Thats from the filing or the tapes suggest the plan worked. Well work with our gulf allies to develop a positive Energy Relationship as part of our antiterrorism strategy. We have to knock out terrorism. The feds have trumps official emails and texts and some encrypted messages that he thought was secret which he lied. The evidence tells story with foreign officials paving the amazing success at Shaping Candidate trumps policies and public words, mentioning the Gulf Ally was great and they congratulated their now indicted allies. It has been said sometimes in this era that we are living through there is a tweet for everything. The former president is not allowed the tweet anymore. He lost that privilege that most people enjoyed. He spent years accusing others of being puppets of rich interests or foreign power. These stories told with evidence in this new indictment that Donald Trump was the puppet himself. It is a big story, we begin with our expert, David Cornyn has been reporting on this. And the New York Times michelle goldberg. Good to see you all. David, you have been reporting about what had looked like a swampy situation whether or not it could be charged. Whats the significance of your view of this indictment and is it broader than one Billionaire Stepping in on the law allegedly . For years theyre trying to get behind the story of Tom Barracks and how it overlaps and Saudi Arabia where he would benefit from and while he was doing the back channelling and he was collecting 1. 5 billion, with a b dollars from Saudi Arabia in a fund he was running. There is a lot of entanglement that the New York Times and other Media Outlets put out there. We kept on wondering this is not illegal, some of us. It turns out it was illegal. There is still a lot written about Tom Barrack. This is a Starting Point and not the end point. On page 27 of this indictment if you are following with us at home, there is a situation where barrack talks to these uaa middleman, he may be appointed u. S. Ambassador to uae or special barrack says to these guy, quote, give them more power. Here hes trying to do business with the uae and trying to suck up to them and becoming their ambassador and using trump to do all this. It is a classic case of influence peddling back show communications. I was out and i got the Phone Call from our newsroom that barrack was indicted and i thought and viewers are following along these kinds of cases, if they are going after him, they better have the goods. Hes a powerful figure as we see with money and last President And Battery of lawyers and that was my first basic thought and i sat down with the indictment. It is packed with evidence. It tells a swampy story and i am curious of what you think of, michelle, the kind of experience and problems separate from ideologies and from other peoples disagreements of what you think it tells. I think if you spoke to a document that wnac and propublica, it was written by yates. She was hired by Tom Barrack at one point. He wrote this memo how Barracks Company could leverage his relationship to the Trump Organization. It was clear that something shady had been going on here and just as we saw trump fond over Vladimir Putin constantly and taking russias side. There is also a lot that i think is unexplained. We saw Time And Again Donald Trump or Override Congresss Attempt to cutoff arms. So just that, i think we talk a lot more about those relationships with russia. His relationship where his Administration Relationship with the uae raises just as many questions. Those are great points and much of this to be investigate. Che, this is a part of my job thats sort of easy but repetitive which is to calmly make sure that we are being cleared with the public that this is not okay. There was a Crime Spree run out of the White House that was not done yet getting to the bottom of the criminal rot. All of those is legal and non partisan observations, not about the politics given in the administration. We have some of the people, this is not all, some trump associates put on the screen just on the illegal lobbying by foreign government. There is a big deal. You can see manafort guilty. And rudy giuliani, we need to fix the photo. Tom barrack is indicted today. Well catch up with it. Thats just four, there is a lot of individuals and well get to the trump org. Where you see convictions and guilty plea and some are presuming innocent but facing a lot of evidence. How do you move forward without a factual accountability for the maga Crime Spree. Democratic circle is kind of a scandal when an Ex Staffer gets a former gig or works as a lobbyist. The Trump Organization ends up in prison. This is a whole level of corruption or criminality of anything we have seen. One of the great failings for democrats over the Trump Era has been we have never been able to make Trumps Corporation of a cutting issue. He was always able to skillfully deflect and say well, everybody does it. Hes no difference and this makes him smart. It is imperative that Donald Trump did not get away with it. This man is a criminal who run a criminal presidency and he appears to have every intention to do this again. Unless these information come out, we are as a nation are in a clutches of a corrupt regime which was what the Trump Presidency was. Yeah, thats a key part of all of this in the accounting. I want to bring in on trump org, revealing something we did not know. As He Sat for his processing, he did something, he talked to those investigators of the allegations against him of Misappropriate Use of income. Weisselberg stated the commute to work from Long Island was difficult as part of his rational. Weisselberg admitted part of the element of the crimes he was accused of was getting those perks and lets be clear, forgetting Rule Number one for any defendant, you may want to exercise your right to remain silent. You are under arrest, you have the right to remain silent. Give up that right and anything you say can be used against the law. You have the right to remain silent. I choose to waive that right. Dont say nothing i dont think you need fancy lawyers as our montage suggests. People know about these miranda rights. I am curious of what you think, a, of that choice and b, whether this is a Human Side of him, he felt he needed to blurt something. I know it is not an easy job. It does not allow you to cheat on your taxes. I mean people wanted to justify their actions all the time. Hes not going to pass up and i imagine hes been at the top of the food chain. Hes now becoming president for decades. It is all crumbling and affecting Family Relationships and hes now arrested. It must be a human perspective. Hard to deal with and hard to process. He does not want to be thought as a bad guy. I guess he feels the urge to speak out. I think this is true for Trump And Everybody else. They do these things, i bet Tom Barrack thinks he did anything wrong. They dont think they did anything wrong and they think everybody does it and trump made it a mantra. If you can get away with it, it is not wrong. Right. Weisselberg says he did these things without realizing it is truly out of a mission of guilt. Let me take it to michelle, his lawyers may want to lean on other arguments like saying he didnt realize how all this worked and other people took care of the details hes forfeited some of those potential defenses in the eye of the jury by putting on record thats why it is now filing of what he said, michelle. I dont know how someone at the top claim he does not know how it works. Again, i think is so striking, the sheer scope of criminality or suspected corruption that surrounds this president in terms of his Business Dealings and political dealings. I was thinking back of the president ial campaign. I dont think it is harder to come up with a list of people who had not been indicted than people who have been. There is some relatives and Kellyanne Conway because i Cant Think of someone else off the top of my head. This is top to bottom multiprong criminal. Chai, final thought. I expect Tom Barrack and others comply with Law Enforcement. I dont think there should be any issues in that area. Mayor garland dont want to do this. This is not where their heart is. Mayor garland is not a political person in any way. Joe biden does not like things are divisive. He wants the country to turn the page on Trump And Move on. The problem is trump is a criminal and he continues to do criminal things. We have to hold him accountable. This is a man who does not like this is a man whos actively planning to once again run to be president of the united states. I think you make a great point in closing. We went a quarter of the hour without saying Attorney General garland. If the thing works independently, he should not have his hands all over the case. This is been development and investigated. I think chai is right to remind us of the Policy Level call. Garland had been running from anything that would look like an assertive approach to this which maybe his constitutional vibes. But, there is a lot of apparels for that. We have a lot to work on. I want to thank chai, david and michelle. Well fit in a break and when we come back. Someone clash on Fox News over covid and the new pressure on the an 6th. And Tom Brady doing in on Donald Trump at the White House with a new president with Joe Biden right there. Well get into all of it. Biden right there. Well get into all of it i dont just play someone brainy on tv im an actual neuroscientist. And i love the science behind Neuriva Plus. Unlike ordinary memory supplements, Neuriva Plus fuels six key indicators of Brain Performance. More Brain Performance . Yes, please neuriva. Think bigger. Introducing Aleve X. Its fast, powerful longlasting relief with a revolutionary, rollerball design. Because with the right pain reliever. Life opens up. Aleve it, and see whats possible. 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You are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individuals, i totally if anybody is lying here, senator, it is you. That was the Boiling Point of a larger dispute they had about the virus origins. There are legitimate debates, some are critical of the early rush to label any questions of covid coming from a lab in china as a Conspiracy Theory when thats one of the leading issues that the u. S. Intelligence is probing its possible real origin. Other facts are not in doubt. Covid is up 200 , an epidemic that is by regions and in places where we see people doing the work like arkansas and missouri. Misinformation is a big concern here. Consider this from Fox News. All of this just from last night. What abouts the efficacy of the vaccine itself among adults . This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated is simply untrue. Thats a lie. Why does it matter how many covid cases we have in this country. There are a lot of people giving you medical advice on television, you should ignore them and obviously we are not doctors. Not doctors. Tucker accidentally quoting djkhaled where he says i am not a doctor. Tucker could say factchecking pulling up like i am giving out conspiracy or i am a Propag Propagandist and not a doctor. The results of all this of tuckers rants, the results are deadly serious. We have an epidemic unvaccinated. Thats the facts. 99 of u. S. Covid deaths are now in the pool of unvaccinated. Vaccinations protect most people from ever getting covid, thats the fact. Minority of people who are vaccinated but do Contract A Version of covid are finding doctors are right. Vaccination protects you and up the odds that Niko Vid you may eventually get is more mild and indeed it could be so mild that you dont feel it. Thats been a theme in some of these recent high profile cases. I am not here to tell you what to do. I can tell you vaccination is as safer choice. We are now in a position this far into the pandemic of everything we live through and everything we know. Next we turn to someone not a Pop Star but a doctor which is far more in demand and here in The Beat. Dr. Patel joins me in 60 seconds along with christina greene. We are back with dr. Patel and professor grier. Dr. , when we hear this, the u. S. Pandemic is among the unvaccinated, what does it mean . Why is it important . It is important as you mention almost 100 of deaths that we are seeing and they are increasing by the way are in people who unvaccinated and hospitalizations as well as new cases are primarily in the unvaccinated. If you think about this and remember this is truly exponentially spread so one unvaccinated person getting sick is more likely to infect anywhere from four to six other people with the Delta Strain much more easily than a year ago. Christina, i want to bring you in, to many problems we are tracking that are difficult. We are not in that situation right now. We are in a situation where we know a lot more than we used to. We have some of the fixes and many of them are available and so thats why particularly an acute failure. Sean hannity said something thats misleading but hes changing his issue. We have been saying please take covid seriously, i cant say it enough, enough people have died. We dont need anymore death. Research like crazy and talk to your doctors and medical professionals you trust based on your unique medical history or current medical condition. You and your doctor make a very important decision for your own safety. Take it seriously. What do you see here in the rhetorical clash on the right at a time when people need to know the facts. Well, exactly, ari, chickens are coming home to roost. We had Donald Trump for four years saying anything you see on the media is much of Fox News or some other rightwing media was false and fake news. And so, when you have physicians such as dr. Patel who studied this and know the science and who happen to be on network that are not main Network And Trump supporters and many republicans taught to believe anything that the doctor says on a network is false and should be thrown away. We had americans Drinking Bleach because the president says so or chemicals from fish tanks. These are people who are so bent on believing anything that Donald Trump says that they are denying reality. Now you do have some people on the right and some people from Fox News recognizing is a terrible Business Model that you are going to kill off your supporters. It is immoral to continue to Spout Falsehoods and what i consider lies, knowing that we that had the data and the science that says vaccinations are healthy individuals. There are one or two particular cases but by and large we have the percentages that Show Vaccinations work. It helps The Greater Good and society which so many people follow Donald Trump and still refuse to believe. To the larger question when Donald Trump says that there is no such thing as reality, now we are seeing how it comes into play and not just in politics but in policies and Real Life as well. Right, very real world consequences. Totally apart from somebodys politics. Dr. , one of the other dynamics here of Conspiracy Theories online and somehow how the media can end up on the false side of it. The false claim can get repeat inside a way that it is slaughtered and normalized. We try very hard with our experts and factcheck not to fall into that trap. In that spirit, lets be the change. I want to play something from mitch mcconnell. It is fairly standard. It is not like you need to bake him a cake. In his ordinaryness, here he was saying the straightforward thing of getting vaccinated. These shots need to get in everybodys arms as rapidly as possible. We are going back in a situation in the fall that we dont yearn for and i want to encourage everybody to do that and ignore all of these other voices that are giving bad advise. People tend to watch things that confirm the bias that they hav. I think it is incredibly responsible for the media and admit when we get it wrong, well be the first one to tell you. We didnt know about this virus a year ago and we know a lot more now and we have unquestionable benefit. I wish every other member of congress would echo the exact statement. Not sure if congress was the right audience. Drake and other people say in this will have more effect on people who may have contemplated and not really gone and made that behavior change. I think conservative Media Outlets owe it to their viewers to tell the story. I appreciate you echoing the drake shoutout. Professor grier sometimes makes me feel like drake is not welcome on The Beat. Hes not a doctor like tucker. If you want to get into it, they have a song about vaccination, we shouted out for Olivia Rodrigo for meeting with fauci. Anyone on the platform can be apart of the factual part of this and we do shout that out. Dr. Patel and professor grier, thank you to both of you. I want everyone to know, dr. Anthony fauci is my guest live right here on the beach. I hope you tune in or dvr it. Dr. Fauci on The Beat tomorrow. We have a lot more on tonights show including republican lawmakers trying to overturn the election. Plus, Tom Bradys straight roasting at the White House. You got to see it. Stay with us. T to see it. Ay with us [sizzling] i may not be able to tell time, but i know what time it is. [whispering] its grilled cheese oclock. Experience, hyper performance that takes you further. At the lexus golden opportunity sales event. Get 0. 9 Apr Financing on the all 2021 Lexus Hybrid models. Experience amazing. 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It is round three of the democrats for five years going after Donald Trump. Have you heard from Donald Trump . I talked to the president but i have not talked to him the last couple of days. This is who we are talking about. This is step one in the democrats crazy efforts to impeach the president of the united states. I wish everybody can spend some time with our president because of the love he has for our country and our law. Meanwhile Liz Cheney has been discussing her view of whos responsible of name checking jordan. That guy Jim Jordan, that sun of a b shes describing what she views of these maniac going into the place, we need to get the ladies away from the isle, i smacked his hand away. Get away from me you you effin did this. She does have the power to deny them. That sets up another clash of what has become a complete brawl over what in a different area would be a traditional non partisan national security. Your view of where this goes . It could matter. People could sort of down play it and we know it already. People under oath, what the president do that day and why didnt he do anything or why didnt he call the secretary of defense or take Phone Calls from the vice president. I would point out that is Jim Jordan are disrupting things. The other two, Kelly Armstrong from north dakota, second term, he says some strong things after January 6th, may be a little different. Rodney davis from illinois, did vote for the Commission And Sort of said this is a terrible day for american democracy. That would be pretty that may say something. Mccarthy is not simply obstructionist, i dont want to put too many hopes on this, god bless how many times mainstream established republicans and dispointed us. I think armstrong and davis are different from the Jim Jordan. I think thats a true point and to the extent we can glean anything against from the record. She would see that mccarthy politically has a multiprong strategy. Shes got a soft spot to the right. And then hes got some other people who may or may not engage in this and who are not all in the same league of the vote and may take traditional justice or Law Enforcement approach. What does it mean to you that several members of the Committee Share the same objectives with the rioters which was to use that day of January 6th to overturn the election. Republicans voted to overturn the election, no evidence at all and totally unprecedented and therefore legitimatizing. Thats the majority of the republican party. We should never forget that. That has not changed. 20 or 25 of republican voters of to 2020 are happy about that. That was the wrong thing to do. I do wonder if democrats really hammer away, not so much of the insurrection itself. Thats a Trump Issue and a few members of congress. Most of these people did not say one way or another. That vote, think of that, that evening, right after the insurrection and after the Big Lie that we see, they still vote overturn to elections results. Right, after. Thats more of a political issue. Those were members of congress. They can be challenged and they could have democrats run against them. Their tough districts and republican districts and republican friendly, can you believe this Guy Saw the insurrection up close and voted to justify the Big Lie to continue the Big Lie and. I think thats an important point. Bill kristol. I want to thank you. We have special Msnbc Coverage including some Rachel Maddow that you got to see, thats next. Maddow that you got to see, thats next. When heartburn hits, fight back fast with Tums Chewy Bites. Fast Heartburn Relief in every bite. Crunchy outside, chewy inside. Tums, tums, tums, tums Tums Chewy Bites [sizzling] i may not be able to tell time, but i know what time it is. [whispering] its grilled cheese oclock. 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Depending on how far back you go, some of the newscasters might look extra spry there and thats because weve been combing through a Quarter Century as msnbc marks its Quarter Century this month. The loser of the last election tried to get the Supreme Court to intervene. The court refused because Donald Trumps lies and rudy giulianis arguments were so empty there was no valid reason to even hear them at all in court. But if you go back further, thats a major contrast to the courts 2000 Bush V. Gore case where the decision played out on msnbc as americans watched, waiting to find out literally who the next president would be, waiting in realtime. Here comes our runner. Here comes our runner. Reversed, the decision has been reversed. The u. S. Supreme court has reversed the decision of the florida Supreme Court. Here we go. Hang on. Looking for the summary. Narrowly give legal cover to what appears on early, early, early secondhand Reading Tonight to be enough to declare it a bush victory. A De Facto victory to george w. Bushs campaign for president. Thats how it went down. Messy, confusing. This was just real latenight rulings. A legal victory that proved to be one of the courts most controversial. Indeed, the Supreme Courts forays into elections and Voting Rights has earned it some of the biggest bruises in the public minding. Youll recognize some more mickelson journalists. The Supreme Court has upheld the health care law. What a day, a landmark 54 ruling. A law that will improve the lives of millions of americans. Shelby county v. Holder is one that i believe will go down to the annals of history. This decision strikes down a key part of the Voting Rights act. The Supreme Court by a vote of 54 has struck down the district of columbias 32yearold ban on handguns. This is the first time in American History that the Supreme Court has said what the second amendment means. The biggest case of the term is a 72 decision. For the third time the u. S. Supreme court has spared obamacare. What else can we learn from all of this legal history . Well, the justices do Swear A very old oath to defend the constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic. Why is it written that way . Ill tell you. Because the founders knew some of democracys greatest opponents are our fellow citizens. Would be american traitors and terrorists, who would overthrow democracys results when they lose. That may leave a lot more work for the court in the years ahead, as we all saw on January 6th of this year. Now, this Segment Tonight is part of our marking of msnbcs 25 years of journalism. Msnbc also asked me to write a bit more about the court as part of a series of anniversary essays by many of our colleagues, so i want to let you know you can read that now if youre interested. My piece youll see up here on the left there, can americas least democratic institution continue to protect democracy . Go to msnbc. Com thenext25 right now and youll see whats on your screen. Thats msnbc. Com thenext25 where you can see my Court Essay and essays by joe and Mika And Many Others as part of our anniversary. Now, we have one final story ahead, but first we promised you Tom Brady roasting trump with Joe Biden along his Side And Weve got it for you. Take a look. Not a lot of people, you know, think that we could have won. In fact i think about 40 of the people still dont think we won. I understand that. You understand that, mr. President . I understand that. Alright, guys, no Insurance Talk on beach day. Im down. Yes, please. 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The move is making major waves beyond fashion. As the New York Times puts it today, it makes abloh, quote, The Most Powerful Black executive at the most powerful luxury Goods Group in the world. It also continues his disruption of an influential field that has often lacked diversity. Abloh also created a Scholarship Fund during last Summers Blm protests and is on track to be a name you will hear a lot more about probably in and beyond fashion. Now that does it for me on The Beat. I have to tell you there is a very special edition of The Reidout with joy reid up next. We were talking about msnbcs anniversary. Its also happy Anniversary And Firstyear birthday to your show. Yes. Congratulations, joy. Were officially a toddler. Were a year old. Were bouncing and misbehaving like every toddler everywhere, were constantly hungry and thirsty and bored. Ill tell you my one thought on that, which im thankful for and i happen to know a lot of viewers are. Were thankful that you are a toddler that could talk from day one. We are a genius toddler, ari melber. Thank you very much, my friend. You said fashion and so im fascinated by whatever that is about. Thank you very much for being here this evening. We begin The Reidout on our Oneyear Anniversary with another day, another member of the disgraced, twice impeached former president s Inner Circle in trouble with the law. Tom barrack, the former chair o

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