Democrats who brought their fight to washington will tell us exactly what they want from congress. And days after being arrested at a Voting Rights protest, congresswoman joyce beatty, chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, is here to tell us about the good trouble she got into. Im Jonathan Capehart, and this is the Sunday Show. This sunday, Texas House democrats are still here in washington, denying the republicans back home the quorum they need to pass yet another slew of Voting Restrictions and begging congress to act to protect the access to the ballot in the lone Star State and beyond. Complicating matters . Three of the texans all fully vaccinated, have tested positive for covid and are quarantining. One State Representative, Seal I Cant israel, has no regrets, noting in a statement, quote, i hope this intense highlights the sacrifices were willing to make for the cause of democracy. Earlier i spoke with House Majority Whip James Clyburn of South Carolina about what congress is doing to move Voting Rights forward. Joining me now is House Majority Whip congressman jim clyburn of South Carolina. Whip clyburn, Thank You very much for coming back to the Sunday Show. Thank you very much for having me back. So, now, right now when people hear the words Voting Rights, it has almost become synonymous with, okay, so what you going to do about the filibuster . I want you to repeat for everyone your view on the filibuster as it relates to Voting Rights. Well, Thank You very much for allowing me to respond to this again. You know, we have made an exception to the filibuster, a Carve Out, if you will, for budgeting matters. With he decided that no One Person or any group of people, will be allowed to threaten the full Faith And Credit of the united states of america. So in order to maintain the continuity we have allowed a Carve Out for the filibuster. That should apply to constitutional issues as well. No One Person, no One Group should be allowed to jeopardize the constitutional rights of any american. And so to allow a person to sit downtown in a Spa And Phone in an objection, not ever show up at the building or on the floor, that is just not right. And so i believe that when you use the term reconciliation, its a much better word to apply to the constitution than it is to apply to the budget. So i think reconciliation should apply to constitutional issues as well. And then the filibuster can still be there for issues. I have been saying if you want to debate how high a wall should be or if there should be a wall, those are legislative issues that have nothing to do with the constitution, and so if the filibuster applies there, so may it be. Let me make sure im hearing you correctly, whip clyburn. You used the word reconciliation. In this town, washington, reconciliation has to do with things related to the budget. So how so, how are Voting Rights applicable to reconciliation as it is used here in washington in the building behind me . The constitutional issues. Reconciliation, we talk about that all the time when we talk about South Africa and when we were talking about free mandela. Those are reconciliation laws. And when we came out of reconstruction, a lot of people dont realize reconstruction started 12 years. We started doing reconciliation issues to reconcile what was happening or not happening before. So we still have these problems. We know that Voting Rights have been a big, big issue, and it was highlighted back in 1965 when John Lewis and others walked across the Edmund Pettus Bridge, and we reconciled those with the voting Rights Act of 1965 in august of that year. Right. And so the same types of issues are here today, and we can reconcile these things by, you know, relating them to the constitution. The 15th Amendment gave former slaves the right to vote, and that was done, by the way, by a single party vote. So as i say to my friend Senator Manchin, bipartisan ship is good, but its not required to make a good solid law. It was not required for the 15th Amendment, and it wont be required for other things to be used to reconcile with the 15th Amendment. So now i get it. Reconciliation from a moral perspective as opposed to the legislative perspective here in washington. Let me get your reaction to something that is in the column in the Washington Post today. He has a quote in there from Rahm Emanuel, former chief of staff in the Obama Administration where he is saying to democrats, think of the voting Rights Effort as a multicycle effort. And to also think about other ways of securing Voting Rights, i. E. , through the Ballot Initiative Process in the various states. What do you think about that . Its a positive smorgasbord. Thats not to be used instead of. Thats to be used in addition to, and thats why i said on the filibuster, im against the filibuster. I think its a relic of the jim crow era, and should be gotten rid of. However, if you cant do it in one fell swoop, do it as we did the civil Rights Act. We got the civil Rights Act passed in 1964, we didnt get the Voting Rights until 65. We didnt get the fair Housing Law until 1968. None of it will apply to the public sector as it relates to employment until 1972. So for an eightyear period we did that. So i would hope thats what Rahm Emanuel is talking about. I certainly think of it that way. I felt the same thing when we were passing affordable Care Act and i said so at the time. So this thats not a substitute for, that should be in addition to. Keyword in all of that you just said is perseverance no matter how long it takes. Congressman jim clyburn of South Carolina, House Majority Whip, Thank You very much for coming to the Sunday Show. And joining me now is texas State Representative james talarico. Thank you very much for coming to the Sunday Show. Thanks for having me. Having the conversation asking how you are given your three fellow texans who tested positive for covid. Thankfully im fully vaccinated just like every single member of our delegation. I tested positive i tested negative this morning, thank goodness. And my colleagues who tested positive arent showing any symptoms and are feeling well. But just like Representative Israel said, this is an example of the personal sacrifices weve made on this trip. Many of my colleagues left behind children, sick loved ones, elderly parents. They left behind their day jobs, and they took health risks to be here because there is an active pandemic. None of this we could resolve in the Voting Rights. In your time here in washington, do you feel like youve made any headway in moving, particularly the senate, into taking action on the for the people act . Weve had really positive and productive meetings on Capitol Hill with Leader Schumer and with Senator Manchin. I think there is a consensus that something needs to be done to protect the Voting Rights of millions of americans, including my fellow texans and the constituents i represent. We have to take action now. Yesterday we marked the Oneyear Anniversary of the death of John Lewis, an american hero. And he didnt bleed on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in selma, alabama, to let our democracy unravel. So, then, what happens if nothing happens here in washington and the laws in texas go through . Whats your next step . What do you do . Yeah, we are out of time in the state of texas. My constituents and their Voting Rights are being undermined as we speak. This is not a theoretical conversation. This is not an abstract conversation. In texas it is very tangible, very visceral. If we dont do something now here in washington, then millions of texans are going to have their freedom to vote undermined. And so i have been begging and imploring and pleading for our counterparts to do something about it. Unlike texas democrats, National Democrats have the Senate Majority In The House and White House. There is no execution for reaction to Voting Rights. Let me ask your reaction to whip clyburn. That is the suggestion from Rahm Emanuel that democrats should in states should look at using Ballot Initiatives as a way of protecting the vote. Is there such a mechanism in texas that you could utilize if those laws do End Up if that legislation does become law . You know, unfortunately in texas, our ability to do Ballot Initiative is severely restricted. So we have to rely on the legislative process to be able to help our constituents. Unfortunately, the republican party holds a majority in every chamber and they hold the Governors Mansion which means they can take these types of actions to undermine our democracy. Now, texas democrats, like we are used to losing on the floor of the Texas House and the Texas Senate on all kinds of issues from abortion to immigration to guns, and we dont break quorum. We fight a good fight, we dust ourselves off and we fight the good fight again. The reason we took this extraordinary step to break quorum for the Voter Suppression Bill because Voting Rights is not an issue like every other. It is essential. It is foundational. It under pins all of the other issues. It allows us to have the conversation were having right now. Thats why we took the step of breaking quorum, a timehonored legislative maneuver in this country. I think you know Abraham Lincoln himself broke quorum when he was a State Legislator in illinois. He had to jump out of a window. Thank goodness we didnt have to do that. This issue is not like any other. It is foundational and we have to take steps to protect it. And real quickly, yes or no, are you afraid of being arrested once you go back to texas . You know, im not personally afraid of being arrested. This issue is a lot bigger than me. Its a lot bigger than any individual politician or any individual american. We just celebrated americas 244th birthday a few weeks ago. And in this American Experiment were to continue for 244 more years, we have to protect the sacred right to vote and that has to happen through washington, d. C. I am begging my federal counterparts to take immediate action to pass federal voting Rights Legislation because if they dont, our rights in texas will be stripped. And with that were going to have to leave it there. Texas State Representative james talarico, Thank You very much for coming to the Sunday Show. 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Now the social Media Giant is pushing back. In a new statement, facebook argues that its users have become more open to taking the vaccine, and that blame over low Vaccination Rates is not on them. Quote, facebook is not the reason bidens Vaccination Goal was missed. Joining me now is sophia nelson, author of e pluribus unum. Thank you for coming back to the Sunday Show. Sophia, let me start with you on the issue of misinformation. You have a piece in the grio with the headline, how trump and the right antivaccine propaganda is killing black people. Real quickly, talk about why you make that bold assertion as we see there the stats. Well, jonathan, if you look at the red states in this country, most of them fall below the mason dixon line. Im in virginia. Were a good state with a high vaccinated population, but states like arkansas, tennessee, louisiana, mississippi, et cetera, have terrible vaccine rates, and theyre impacting rural white, but in particular and disproportionately african americans. If you look at the Death Numbers and you look at the sick, 99 of those getting the variant as the good will tell us are people who are unvaccinated. And the lies and the misinformation doesnt just hit the base as washington likes to believe. It hits everybody. The black community is already afraid, jonathan, for a lot of good reasons about Government Experiment on us and things in the past. So any misinformation out there hits us harder. Yeah, dr. Shaw, what do you make of that . The power of the president of the united states going head long into talking about the misinformation thats out there and who is perpetuating it . Yes, jonathan, thanks for having me back. First of all, absolutely correct that most of the people getting sick and dying right now are unvaccinated. And if you look at groups that are unvaccinated, black americans have much lower Vaccination Rates than whites and so the question is why. Whats going on. Its multifactorial. Issues of access still we have to work on. But there is concerted misinformation targeting the africanamerican community, preying on historical and presentday racism, and linking it to antivaccine rhetoric. Its shapeful, using one historical in justice to perpetrate another. I was glad to see the president Call Out facebook. Facebook has been sort of public Health Enemy Number one. They have spread more misinformation, and seem less interested in doing anything about it than anyone else. We have a lot of work to do. You know, dr. Jha, let me stick with you. One of the things we also talked about in addition to the misinformation is whats happened with some of the folks in the Texas Delegation here in washington. The fact that three people fully vaccinated still tested positive for covid. There are a lot of people out there who i suspect think that, well, if ive gotten the vaccine, im totally immune. That doesnt mean that you Cant Catch Covid once youre vaccinated, right . No, thats right. So, look, these vaccines are remarkable. They do prevent you from catching covid. But its not 100 . And were going to see some breakthrough infections. The good news is that if you get infected with covid after youve been vaccinated, you are extremely unlikely to get sick or die. So these vaccines are terrific at protecting you from severe illness. They are protecting you from mild illness, but not perfect. Okay. Sophia, To Go back to the Misinformation Aspect of the covid story, im seeing stories in newspapers about how we talk to people to convince them to get vaccinated. Are we at that point now where there is just no telling anybody . I mean, once theyre convinced theyre not going to get vaccinated, theyre not going to get vaccinated. Or am i being too hard core, Hard Line here . Well, i think its both and not either or. For example, theres been a lot of talk about President Biden getting on tv with former President Trump and having him say, look, i took the vaccine, meaning trump, and you should take the vaccine to fight this misinformation. The problem is trump could have done that when he took the vaccine in january before biden was sworn in. He hasnt. Fox news, tucker carlson, laura ingraham, a whole bunch of hosts who are vaccinated, by the way, folks, a lot of people who they are telling to be concerned and its taking away their freedoms, its antiamerican, these very people, jonathan, are vaccinated. So i think the problem is what both the doctor and i agree is, if youre going to lie to folks, lets just call it what it is. Do what i say, not what i do. I dont know how you fix that because people see this and they believe their freedoms are being taken away. Look, i dont own guns. I dont like wearing masks. I live in the south, all those things. But i got vaccinated. And everybody i know got vaccinated. And i wear my mask when im out to protect other people and myself. So i dont get what this is all about. But the Big Lie continues, this is big Lie Part 2, the situation with the vaccine. So and, dr. Jha, real quickly to you for the last word, are we in danger, do you think, given the delta variants and the epidemic of the unvaccinated as the Cdc Director walensky said last week . Are we in danger of back sliding in the fall . Could we see shutdowns again, do you think . Well, thats what im worried about and theres only one way out of that, which is get a lot more folks vaccinated. Were starting to see some fighting back, mask mandates going into place, especially in place was low Vaccination Rates where were seeing the big surges. If we all want to put this pandemic behind us, i do, lets get more people vaccinated and get on with our lives. All right. And with that were going to have to leave it there. Dr. Hashish jha and sophia nelson. Thank you for coming back to the Sunday Show. Donald trump spent his final days in Office Fighting to cling to power. Michael Wolff Details it in his latest book and hes here next. T crepe corrector lotion. Only from Gold Bond. Hey google, turn up the heat. This past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. But eventually, with spring comes rebirth. Everything begins anew. And many of us realize a fundamental human need to connect with other likeminded people. Welcome back to The World. Viking. Exploring The World in comfort. Once again. The truth is we won the election by a landslide. We won it big. When you win in a landslide and they steal it and its rigged, its not acceptable. We won this election, and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election. We won in a landslide. This was a landslide. We won this election in a landslide. Michael wolffs new book detailing the final weeks of the Trump Presidency is titled fittingly landslide and he joins me now. Michael wolff, great to see you again. Thank you for coming to the Sunday Show. Its nice to see you. Its been a while. Its been a long while. This is your third book on the Trump Presidency, and, i mean, you chronicle a lot of crazy things in the trump White House, but theres this one crazy thing that i want to put up right now. We talked about the hannity theory. It was, you know, this theory given to president Donald Trump by sean hannity, and it was basically this super secret plan by the democrats to basically replace biden as the nominee with a andrew cuomo. And Carl Rove is in this meeting where the president tells him this, and Carl Rove says, even assuming they wanted to do this, why would bernie sanders, declared democratic runner up, allow this to happen . Heres the part that made me gasp out loud and read three times. Because, the agitated president said, lowering his voice, this is all being coordinated by the obamas. And, trump added, more darkly, there is a very good chance that michelle will go on the Cuomo Ticket as vp. This is where Carl Rove says to parscale, my god, where did he get this from . Sean hannity. Sean hannity, rove repeated . And parscale says, potus believes it. If you could call hannity and tell him to let up, that might be good. Michael, seriously. I mean, on one Level Youve got to say its hilarious. And Carl Rove was you know, one of the funny aspects of this is that they called Carl Rove because they were you know, they had to convince trump to attack biden, which he refused to do because he thought he would weaken them, and then the ticket would have Cuomo And Michelle obama. They got rove up into washington into the Oval Office to try to, to try to convince the president that this was crazy stuff, and this was a super secret meeting. And then rove walked in and there were 15 people in the Oval Office because there are always the Oval Office under trump was always filled with this kind of, well, there are people in the trump in the Trump Administration who always called the Oval Office the Star Wars bar scene. The Star Wars bar scene. I think its islis, if im pronouncing it correctly. As in your first book, you previewed at the beginning of the Trump Term what we all ended up seeing throughout four years, and if past is prologue, Donald Trump has a reaction to your third book about him. And i want to put up the statement from Liz Harrington on behalf of Donald Trump where, in the statement its a tweet. All these stories from the Michael Wolff book are not true. Wolff never asked President Trump about them. If he had, he would have refuted them. Fake news, exclamation point. Michael wolff, did you or did you not talk to Donald Trump for this book . I spoke to him for several hours, almost three hours and then followed by dinner with the president and the former First Lady. So, we talked endlessly, exhaustively at least, let me put this another way. He talked endlessly and exhaustively. But the other thing is, because i know how trump works. I know this. So just to head this off, i also submitted to him and his office an exhaustive list of all of the fact matters in this book. So they have seen everything in this book beforehand, and certainly the people in his office who i was dealing with actually complimented me for my remarkable and, michael, real quickly, i remember from your first book, you sat in the west Wing Lobby for days on end talking to Anyone And Everyone who came through. Actually months on end. Right, right, right, months on end. Did you have the similar type of access to people in Trump World . Yeah, because as soon as i started this book, one of the people in Trump World who i was talking to told the president that i was or was soon to be former president , that i was doing this book, kind of to warn him. But he said, oh, that guy gets ratings. Lets see him. So then i went to see the president , and then the president told everybody in Trump World to talk to me. So, yes. It was a rather open book. And i seem to recall that this is the same pattern that happened in the first book. Talk to you, the book comes out, he trashes you, says he never talked to you, and then, you know, rinse and repeat. And so, and if there is another book, im sure well go through the same thing again. Right. Hopefully there is not another book. You and me both. Michael wolff, Thank You very much. Im sorry we have such a short amount of time. Thank you so much for coming to the Sunday Show. Very nice seeing you. You, too. Up next, a look inside how the democrats are trying to hang onto their majority in congressment. Or that her Grandpas Dog tags would be left behind. But that one call got her a tow and rental. Paid her claim. And we even pulled a few strings. Making it easy to make things right thats what were made for. Usaa. What youre made of, were made for. Get a quote today. Experience our advance Standards Safety Technology on a full line of vehicles. At the lexus golden opportunity sales event. 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You are charged with the team with not only holding the seats in the majority the democrats have In The House, but recruiting people to help increase those seats. How is that going . Well, its going extremely well. And actually, given the normal inertia that is difficult for a president s party in a midterm election, i will tell you that im surprised that we have had so many incredible candidates step up this early, especially in the face of a redistricting year. But, jonathan, when youre looking at the contrast as a potential candidate between going back to the horrors of the Trump Presidency in which republicans are continuing now to suppress the vote, to stop people from being able to recover from covid, completely stand against helping our economy recover and doing everything they can to prop up an authoritarian, contrasted with democrats under Joe Biden who got shots in arms, checks in pockets, passed the american Rescue Plan that helps build a bridge for the economy and now are working hard to make sure we can pass a infrastructure plan, its really like lets go back to the darkness versus lets move forward into the light. Okay, rachel, so now you have heard congresswoman Wasserman Schultz give an answer i knew she would give because, you know, thats what shes supposed to do. Yes, things are going great. Thank you, jonathan. So, rachel, you just heard the congresswoman, its true. From your Vantage Point as an election forecaster, what say you . Its true that the democrats face the midterm cycle. Its only been obstructed twice in four years. It is combined with that Gerrymander Iing that coming and we know its coming. So as the congresswoman noted, there are some positive signs for democrats. Theres more enthusiasm, which is a terrible warning on the right, but its not like the democrats are unable to attract some top candidates to these races. As she said, in a Redistricting Cycle thats not nothing, right . So, but when she went on and kind of laid out the case, right, against not just trump, but trump and the republican party and all republicans, that what she is doing there, im not sure she is aware, its what they all want to be doing. Parading a referendum on the republicans. That is the only way we can survive 2022, aside from the specific logistics of how you hold onto a majority in those conditions. The cycle will either be a referendum on Joe Biden and the incumbent party and thats a referendum you lose even if things are going decently, or its going to be a referendum on their brand. Thats what the Strike Pac is focused on. To that point, congresswoman, i noted in your intro, you are the former chair of the party. You have had a birds Eye View of how democrats are doing and how they have done on a national level. Given that, how are conditions on the ground . How do they compare now to back when you were chair of the party . Is the terrain the same, or is it more difficult . Thats such a perfect way to frame the question, jonathan, because it really isnt the same in any way because we didnt have Donald Trump in recent previous midterm elections, other than 2018, in which we had a very significant victory and the democrats took the majority In The House. Now we have Donald Trump not only, you know, looming in the future, but he is very much still a present. Joe biden has been able to present such an incredible contrast. We have the majority in both the house and the senate. What we have been able to do thus far by really wrestling the pandemic to the ground and even though were seeing surges, that is in so many republicanled states. Making sure we can get shots in arms and making sure we can invest in our infrastructure, we have to have something to show the voters why they should keep our majority. At the same time, we have to make sure that they understand not far behind us is the darkness that you dread. Highlight things like the insurrection that republican now downplay and refuse to acknowledge actually was an insurrection, really whose flames were fanned by Donald Trump. Do you want to elect a speaker like Kevin Mccarthy who denies that that even happened, and who ultimately would bring up more of the same that we just went through after a fouryear nightmare. Rachel, one indicator of public support is fundraising. I want to put up the two fundraising numbers that we have come in. You see there fundraising in q2, 2021, the republicans have raised 9 Million more than the democrats and i believe thats yeah, in congressional races, but in fundraising overall, total for 2021, republicans have a 9 Million lead over democrats in terms of fundraising. But by putting this emphasis on how much money is raised, is that a false sense of security for republicans that everything is aokay for them . So, i mean, it can be, right, especially with an experts eyes, i look at those numbers and i can see more than just that 9 Million advantage. I mean, the fact the rnc runs the whole party election apparatus, much more hierarchyial than ours. Thats why trump was able to deploy that in 2016 outside his own messy, really chaotic campaign team. If it had not been for the rncs infrastructure, he would never have been able to turnout enough voters to win. Its true in other words, contextually, those numbers arent so bad. A lot more diffusion where Funder Money goes in the democratic party. Fair or not, the dnc is coming back from a reputation of not being as adept, right . With Jamie Harrison getting put in and the changes that they are making now in terms of the election and infrastructure, but people are starting to recognize, okay, the dnc and the dccc and the democratic governors associations are a good investment. I always tell people, we want the dnc funded to the tune of 250 million. We really need to be chairman, as much money as we can. We really need To Go. Thank you both very much for coming to the Sunday Show. Coming up, why nice people could be black peoples worst night mayor. Its true. The author of nice racism joins me next. Ins me next. When technology is easier to use. Barriers dont stand a chance. Thats why well stop at nothing to deliver our technology asaservice. With relapsing forms of ms. 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In robin deangelos best Selling Book White Fragility she makes a bold assertion i agree with 100 . White liberals are the worst when it comes to talking about racism. Well, in her new book nice racism how progressive white people protect harm she uses racism To Go in deep on why its not white nationalists who give folks like me The Blues. Its all those nice white people who think theyre woke. Robin deangelo joins me now. Robin, great to see you. And Thank You again for coming know you are in for a time with a group youre meeting with when someone comes up to you and says youre preaching to the choir. Why is that such a Red Flag . Because there is no choir. So this idea that im the choir means ive arrived. Im good To Go. I need to know. Im in the position to let everybody else know what they need to know. Thats one piece. The other piece is the collective idea. The whole group of people is the choir and has arrived and the irony is that while white people are telling me im preaching to the choir, black people are the ones who brought me in with the, you know, plea. Please help us with these white people. Our idea of how advanced we are is not usually an alignment with the reality. And what one of the reasons you single out white progressives at the quote, unquote, choir is because this is this idea in order to if someone is racist, you know, they do bad things. And why, you know, white nationalists im not worried about white nationalists or member of the kkk. I know who they are and how to stay away from them. Its white progressives who are the ones who give us The Blues because in myriad ways they do something or say something that perpetuate racial harm to us. Talk about that. Theres a theme when you talk to black people who are in workplaces where theyre usually one of just a few, which would be most workplaces. That theme is exhaustion. The thousand daily little cuts. The indignities. They dont stand alone. Maybe i said that one thing but its the tenth time that day or week. Its harder to get your hands on. Theres a lot of smiling. Theres a lot of niceness. Its a conflict of culture, often. A passive aggressive culture. And thats just harder to deal with. Its more insidious. Theres more gaslighting. And, you know, you have a whole chapter on moves by white progressives and you walk through a bunch of them. We dont have time to talk about them. Talk about it real quickly credentialing. How white progressives use credentialing. Go ahead. Credentialing is the evidence that white people offer up to establish they are not racist. We say things like i had a black roommate in college. I come from boston. I come from canada. Ive heard it all. Ive traveled. I marmg in the 60s. The claims we offer as certification, unfortunately we dont realize are typically not convincing at all. I would imagine, and you can tell me, jonathan, that youre rolling your eyes when i say something like that. And the Sub Text is im not racist so im not going to be open or accepting of any feedback to the contrary. My identity has been established. It functions as a kind of protective barrier. And with that, well have to leave it there. I really encourage people, one, first, listen to our 45minute Conversation on my Washington Post Pod cast and pick up the book nice racism. Its not the kind of book you can just breeze through. You have to dive in and read it to get what robin is talking about. Great to talk to you, robin dangelo. Thank you for coming to the Sunday Show. Coming upment in next hour, Amy Klobuchar on killing the filibuster and the black women on the Front Line at the foot of the Voting Rights. Line at the f the Voting Rights. My Dvt Blood Clot left me with questions. Was another around the corner . Or could i have a different Game Plan . I wanted to help protect myself. 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As of today, 17 states enacted legislation that could sometimy Voting Rights with texas on track to becoming the 18th sparking an exodus of State House democrats to the Nations Capitol to deny state republicans the part needed to turn this legislation into law. A federal Voting Rights bill needs to pass but senate democrats simply dont have the numbers. Joe manchin who is against reforming the Filibuster Rule to allow the for the people act to pass with a simple majority and who was Hob Knobbing at a fundraiser hosted by several republican donors in texas. Thats why this weekend one year after the passing of civil rights Voting Rights icon John Lewis, you see right there, Stacy Abrams and senator Amy Klobuchar are taking the present Day Fight back to its original battle ground, georgia. Thank you for coming back to the Sunday Show Amy Klobuchar. Why are you in georgia . Im chair of the senate Rules Committee, jonathan. We decided why stay in washington when all these bills are being enacted all over the country. Over 400 have been introduced to mimic Peoples Freedom to vote and im not sure everyone knows this, but over 20 of them, 28, to be exact, have actually become law. Parttime focussed on not getting water and long lines well have a voter testify at the hearing on monday about what happened to him but the law is even worse than that. Limits on Oneoff Voting where, you know, Senator Warnock won their Run Yaf and now saying the runoff can only take 28 days. You Cant Vote on the weekends before it. And you have to register 29 days in advance. When theres a runoff, you Cant Register at any time during the runoff. Just giving you a few of the examples. Drop off limits, mail in ballot limits. Thats the reason legislators in georgia and the two u. S. Senators have bravely stood up against the law. Thats why were bringing the Rules Committee here to hear directly from those involved in trying to stop it. So, senator, is the Hearing Tomorrow related for the people act, which is passed the house and sitting in the senate or related to the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act which hasnt been introduced In The House and not anywhere close to being in the senate or is the hearing about both the proposed legislation . Great question. One of the things the legislators have said is they arent going to let they are not going to be able to beat this concerted republican effort across the country on their own. They need salvation from washington. Thats why were going to georgia. Its why texas came to us. We need basic Voting Standards at play. [ inaudible ] the hearings are starting In The House. Thats much more based on making sure we have the record from the Committee Hearings In The House and both things matter here. I believe the hearing the witnesses will firmly ask us to enact federal legislation for basic Voting Laws for every state in the country. Senator, i think when you were talking about the for the people act your Audio Cut out. We missed whatever you said. So if you can briefly repeat what you possibly said about the for the people act. Sure. So the for the people act is a bill that very firmly is rooted in the constitution and what it does is that it says that congress can make or alter federal election laws. It sets out basic national standards for voting. You have to have mail in balloting. You have to have sameday registration. Then it does something about dark money in our politics which is a scorch of our politics and said politicians should come to washington to representative the people not to get perks nor themselves. Thats the Ethics Piece of it. Those are the three prongs. Even the negotiations we had with Senator Manchin, a lot of most important parts of the bill remain. Speaking of Senator Manchin, it all when you hear the name Senator Manchin it leads to one word. Filibuster. Have a listen to what he had to say on wednesday on this subject. Is that something you can Bottom Line we should be working together on basically the legislation for texas people and right to votes. Something should be common sense and people should have a right to vote and should be secure and should be fair. Okay. Two questions on that sound byte. One Senator Manchin talked about hes getting there in terms of getting republican support. Youre there in the senate, as well. From your adVantage Point, do you think theres republican support for Voting Rights . I hope there would be. Ive got to be honest with you here, jonathan, so far weve got about nine provisions. Many of them are actually my bills that are in the for the people act that are bipartisan. Things like making sure Social Media Companies are engaging and allowing for misinformation on the vaccine have disclaimers and discloser on their political act ads. Theres significant things that so far we have not picked up bipartisan support for the very important concept of national federal Voting Rights. We also on the John Lewis act, Senator Murkowski voiced interest in supporting that, which is important. So we continue working that route. But the other route, of course, is changing the senate rules. I think you know im a strong supporter of abolishing the filibuster. Its not only stopping us from passing Voting Rights reform. Its stopping us from passing immigration reform, Climate Change, Police Reform. Its become a tool of Mitch Mcconnell to stop things in their tracks. So i strongly believe we should abolish it. Theres growing support in the caucus. Senator manchin in the past talked about a filibuster, which would be very help offul requiring some changes, as well. Im not ruling anything out with my colleagues. Especially when it comes to Voting Rights. Given how important it is to people like Senator War Knock and tester and baldwin. People in states that have seen horrific Voting Laws, Voting Suppression Taking place right now. So thats why. To hide out and say, you know, we dont have the votes right now. Im not doing that. Im bringing this committee To Georgia For The First Time in decades. The Rules Committee of the u. S. Senate is on the rope. All right. Senator klobuchar, given the answer you gave, when . When are you going to move to do something on the filibuster . Let me give you the timeline. Weve got a full near agreement with Senator Manchin on a different package, which contains so many of the basic Voting Rights. Continuing to finalize that. We have the house starting the John Lewis act In The House. Here is one thing we havent talked about. We have the infrastructure packages. The build back better packages. Were working on it with the biden administration. The first is bipartisan and the second most likely, of course, be a democratic package through another process called reconciliation. We can put Election Infrastructure Funding along with Housing And Child care and the like and do what we can to incentivize mail in balloting. That is no substitution for the people act. Its another vehicle where i can push these provisions and use it as much as i possibly can under the law. Final question and real fast. You didnt say excuse me, you didnt say anything about movement on filibuster reform. When are you going to push on that . That would be Hand And Hand with the bill, jonathan. Got it. Okay. I think you heard what Senator Manchin said right now about where he is on doing it across the board. Im looking at some of the specific pieces of legislation. Already the reconciliation, of course, we have different numbers. So im being strategic about this as is Senator Schumer as is everyone that is interested. You cannot when you listen to the georgia voters like Stacy Abrams and i will hear this afternoon, Senator Americaly is going to be there, as well. The Hearing Tomorrow. I dont know how you can look at them and say oh no. Weve got the archaic rule. So were not going to help you. It cannot be the answer. Senator Amy Klobuchar of minnesota, chair of the senate Rules Committee. Thank you very much for coming back to the Sunday Show. Thank you very much, jonathan. And now we turn to ohio congresswoman joyce baity, chair of the Congressional Black Caucus who got arrested this week while protesting for Voting Rights. Thank you very much for coming back to the Sunday Show. Thank you, jonathan, for having me. As a member of the House Youve done your work, you voted and passed the for the people act but its sitting in the senate. Why did you find it necessary to get inTo Good trouble on thursday . Well, first of all, Thank You. I think its important for the american people to know that were doing something. That were fighting for justice. And John Lewiss latest book, John Lewis carries on. He talked about how hard they fought to change the Voting Laws and how many times four times under republican leadership restored it. When you look at Hr 1 and hr 4, its all about our right to vote. Its taking away the restrictions and what we want to do is take away those restrictions that republicans have put on and its about passing the voting Rights Act. It was important for us To Go send such a strong message. Think about it. The only time things have changed is when people have spoken up and fought for what they really believe in. Were going to continue to fight for Hr 1 and 4. Continue to fight. My question, are you going to continue to put your, you know, not just rhetorical self on the line but like you did last thursday, your physical self on the line. Youre prepared to be arrested however many times it takes until real action happens . Let me say to you and the american people, think back in the rich history. The montgomery boycott, we wouldnt have had the civil rights of 1964. But for that, we wouldnt have had the civil rights of 1965. Yesterday i was at the black Lives Matter Plaza after getting a five and a half Hour Flight Honor the battleship named in honor of John R. Lewis in san diego, california. Im going to let the american people know that the Congressional Black Caucus has a strong message. The answer to your question is, yes, weve had conversations over the weekend. We met with Speaker Nancy pelosi who has been out front. She got Hr 1 for the people act passed on the house floor. Were going to be having dialogues with our senators, republicans, and democrats because we have done a Carve Out we should do a Carve Out for Voting Rights. Majority whip jim clyburn talked about it. We know it has happened. Theres already precedent for that happening. So we have a lot of options and, yes, it includes taking it the people and the streets. Being as strong as we can. How can i not when i think of what John Lewis and Martin Luther King and Harriet Tubman and so many more did. Congresswoman, as chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, have you had a meeting or members of the black caucus had a meeting with Senator Manchin to talk about Voting Rights . Its interesting that you mention that. Our offices and staff have had an opportunity to have a dialogue, as i understand it, and that is at the top of my agenda when we return on monday. To reach out to him, also, my colleague In The House when i Kyrsten Sinema and i came in together. We want an open dialogue. I heard what he said in your clip. He believes he may have some support. So i think we have good rational and reason to sit down and see what we can do specifically as it relates to the filibuster and where we go from here with Hr 1 and hr 4, which we are hoping to have that finalized our last hearing hopefully this month. We finished the hearings under the office of administration civil Rights Committee with Congressman Butlererfield and working with the judiciary to make sure they get their hearings completed so we can write the Legislation And Address all the issues, i. E. , what happened with section 2 in arizona. Congresswoman Joyce Beaty of ohio who got inTo Good trouble last thursday. Thank you very much for coming back to the Sunday Show. As Congresswoman Beatty proves, this week the Vice President sat down with those on the Front Lines. Two of them join me next. Two of them join me next age is just a number. And mines unlisted. Try boost® High Protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. Versus 16 grams in ensure High Protein. 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This is not only an issue for us as americans in terms of the ability to exercise our voice. Its about the issue of americas standing in The World. And whether we can continue to hold ourselves out. As a democracy joining me now are two of the women who met with Vice President harris this week Cara Mastersberry. Former First Lady of Washington And Founder of the Recreation Wish List Committee And Melanie campbell. On thursday you got arrested for stuff you did decades ago. How do you think well do this time around . Thank you for having me, jonathan. And youre right. I did participate in an activity on thursday that really, to me, is the question that has been rolling around in my mind and i asked the Vice President. Why are we here . In the 60s i did the same thing to get the 1965 voting Rights Act and the Political Science professional the 15th Amendment was passed. It should have ended there. So i dont know. We always victorious but the fight and the struggle and the sacrifice to do something is fundamentally a human right. That should be given to us and exercised at our will but in 2021, to be having young people stand out on a stage in front of me and thank us for the work we have done and theyll take it from here, i dont understand why the work is is here. I dont understand why were still here. America should be ashamed of itself. At that meeting on thursday, in the Roosevelt Room at the White House, you had a seat directly across from the Vice President of the united states but, melanie, you had the seat next to the Vice President of the united states. Talk about that meeting and how convinced are you that the Vice President will be successful in the task she has from the president and that is doing everything possible to secure the vote. Thank you, jonathan. Again for letting me come on your show today. Because black women, first of all, we have number one. I believe after having a couple of conversations with the White House that our committee to really getting and to use all the tools in their toolbox. To use that bully pulpit. To get out here and into the community. So i think from weve discussed using everything they can. A whole government approach. Who were able to bring some of the ideas along with how you can do that to help push this through. And so i think that it was mostly them listening to us but also sharing some of the things we have already been doing so. Were there to partner with our government. We have elective and so why meet with them . Because we have elective and we have to do this. Its going to take all of us to win this fight. So, melanie, did the Word Filibuster come up . Did Anyone Push the Vice President and therefore the administration on doing something. Being more vocal. Taking a definitive stand on the filibuster . Every time i get a chance you know where i stand on the filibuster. We brought it up. Weve brought it up to him. We didnt get a chance to spend a lot of time on it but definitely said use all of your influence and thats influencing others on especially in the senate now to pass the for the people act. Uhhuh. Since youre the one who brought up the filibuster in that meeting, why is it important for you to bring it up there in front of the Vice President in the united states . By any means necessary. If its necessary, we should do it. I think Theres Nothing more fundamentally important to people in this country, especially people of color and marginalized communities than having the right to vote. I always say if we dont vote, we dont live. Theres nothing else that matters. All of the issues that are important to us come as a result of the people we elect who are willing to pass the bills and make things happen the right way. You can cant elect them if you Cant Vote. I did bring it up. I dont think we should ignore the topic of the filibuster by any means necessary. I believe that. I think everybody else knows its necessary. They are counting and working and looking for the votes. But whatever it takes. Miss Cara Mastersberry. Miss melanie campbell, two black women on the Front Lines protecting our democracy. Thank you very much. If i may real quick. Were coming back next wednesday. Its not a oneoff. Behavior we need to do and keep it and were not going to stop. We have to win this battle. Okay. We got an appointment. Wednesday. The new Hightech Front and the struggle for Police Reform. W hi struggle for Police Reform when technology is easier to use. Barriers dont stand a chance. Thats why well stop at nothing to deliver our technology asaservice. Like many people with moderate to severe Ulcerative Colitis or crohns disease, i was there. Be right back. But my symptoms were keeping me from where i needed to be. So i talked to my doctor and learned humira is the 1 prescribed biologic for people with uc or crohns disease. 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As more cases surface, theres growing concern that facial recognition could put more innocent people in jail, especially black people. Joining me now is Robert William who is suing the detroit Police Department and his Attorney Bill Maher of the aclu. Thank you very much for coming to the Sunday Show. Mr. Williams, let me start with you. Just ask you this, when they arrested you, did they tell you it was because of the use of facial recognition . No. They didnt. They wouldnt Tell Me Why i was arrested. I had to i told the gal to bring a warrant. Because i didnt believe that he was actually a Police Officer. He was like youre under arrest. I was like for what. He was like are you Robert Williams . I was like yes. He was like youre under arrest. He was like i got a warrant here. Did he say what you were being arrested for . What was the crime . Not at all . No. I asked him on the way down there and i asked what did he say i stole . He said i cant tell you that. All we know is that you had a warrant and youre under arrest. Im thinking this is crazy. I should note we reached out to the detroit Police Department for comment and we didnt get one. We know from the detroit news, according to the detroit news, Detroits Mayor and former Police Chief have acknowledged that Williams Arrest was a mistake and say that new protocols are in place to avoid similar incidents. Mr. Maher, let me bring you into the conversation. Is it enough . Nowhere close to enough. You know, the identification that mr. Williams was a suspect specifically said on it that it was to be used as an investigative lead only. Not as a basis for arrest. And that didnt stop the detroit police from taking that identification and inducting completely inadequate Line Up with somebody who wasnt even an eye witness. Somebody who reviewed Security Footage of the alleged theft and arrested mr. Williams baitsed on that. In other words, some of those, you know, things that police say would stop this from happening. Were already in place and they were completely disregarded. Shoddy technology makes shoddy investigations. Thats what happened here. Its what is going to keep happening. And you know this case, this case here with mr. Williams isnt the only one in the Country Case or even incident. There was a black enterprise. Theres a story about black girl banned from michigan Skating Rink because facial Recognition Software misidentified her. She had never been to that Skating Rink before but they tried to ban her from that. How successful do you think folks like your client, mr. Williams, and others around the country in sort of curtailing the use of facial recognition by Police Departments . Yeah, i mean, what its showing is what everybody knows. What the vendors know. What the police know. What we know. This technology is complete db its about A Hundred times worse at identifying people of color as it is identifying white men. Its a technology that was developed using primarily white faces as a result its racist in its application. It fails to properly recognize people of color and thats why were seeing this time and time again. Its not just the incident of the roller Skating Rink you described either but two known black men other than mr. Williams who have been falsely arrested because of facial recognition technology. And you know, i didnt realize we also had tape. Lets listen to that. Julia robertson and her husband derek are considering legal action against the Skating Rink after their 14yearold Daughter was misidentified by the businesss facial recognition technology. And so, you know, to that point, mr. Williams, given your experience, you would agree with that Teens Mother that basically you were racially profiled by the detroit police as a result of their facial recognition. Yeah, i would say so. Because i dont know how you can a video of Somebody And Issue an arrest warrant. I dont know how you can say Thats Evidence that somebody should be arrested so, yeah, if you use this technology to do the job of Police Officer then its wrong. It should at least it should be used. Dont look for a rule saying were going to use it as an investigative lead and the next thing you do is arrest that person and them say oh, okay. We might have made a mistake and got it wrong. Thats crazy. If it was another crime or a little more madam chair. I dont know if i would be home right now. If it was murder or they said i shot somebody or something. Mr. Williams, were going to keep our eye on your case and other cases like it. Robert williams, bill, Thank You very much for coming to the Sunday Show. Before we go to break, we would like to wish our gaffics produce graphics producer The Best Of Luck as she heads off on a new adventure. Thank you for your hard work. Well miss you. 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That is, oh Lindsay Graham said Unfinished Business. I said with Donald Trump it means revenge. Am i wrong . He doesnt have any policies. No, theres no policies. I was laughing when he says that, you know, he wants to he has Unfinished Business and he wants to fix the problems. Like, dude, youre the reason we have the problems what are you talking about . You want to fix what you broke . No you dont get to do draft. Im sorry. Lindsey graham is right about one thing. Donald trump is setting himself on the path to become the nominee of the party because everyone, like Lindsey Graham, is doing the favor complete. You know, this is his party, you know, and if he wants to be the nominee and all the others stand down. So fix it. No, baby, you broke it. We the people, we going to fix it and by keeping you out of the White House. Thats how. Keeping him out of the White House but Michael Steele, do you really think Donald Trump is going to run again for a job he didnt like to begin with . No. Okay. All right. He doesnt want to work. The job requires work. He realized he could not do the Command And Control where he can get the government to do whatever the hell he wanted it to do from his Justice Department to his state department. He realized he couldnt control it the way he wanted to. It requires too much work. Hell be a pain in everyones behind on the way. Donna, let me get you react to something else Senator Graham had to say on Sunday Morning futures. This is on Voting Restrictions. We Cant Talk about policy because hes failed on the policy front. He is trying to make all the racist as republicans. Ive known Joe Biden for 20 to 25 years. Ive never seen this Joe Biden. This is Demagoguery And Offensive to me. I mean, donna, ive never seen this Lindsey Graham. Your reaction . That was my thought, as well. That Joe Biden has never seen this Lindsey Graham who is continues to try to prop up a republican party that really, you know, if you look at these State Laws theyre across the states more than 300 bills introduced in 48 states. The reality is that the republican party is perpetrating the lie, the Big Lie, and then doing that by trying to suppress black and brown voters. Thats clear which is why Lindsey Graham doesnt have anything to defend in the republican party. He has every reason to fear the democrats are going to fix that. Big tech was behaving as partisan enforcers to try to skew an election and they did and continuing now to Sensor Information if it disagrees with the official government line. I got to say its the same thing you see happening in a communist country like china and a communist country like cuba where if there are facts that are contrary to the Government Orthodoxy the dictatorship prevents you from sharing the facts. Big tech is doing the same thing in the united states. I mean, he hit every buzz word, every emotional whatever. They are out trumping one other and trying to be as racist as possible in their comments and worshipful toward Donald Trump. Donald trump in the willful negligence is why hundreds of thousands of people died during the pandemic. Donald trump is racism, theyre broadly broadcasting it in Super Markets and Parking Lots not just in politicians who seem to be afraid of alienating Donald Trump. Good. Get the word out. Its the republican party now. Its not the republican party i knew even 20 years ago and ive never been a fan. But im willing to know some who are willing to stand up. This is insanity but its worse than that. Its racism. Its willful negligent that lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths that didnt have to happen. If they want to hitch themselves to that party, go for it. About two minutes left. I want to give each of you an opportunity to talk about what We Saw last week when it comes to Voting Rights and black women like Congresswoman Beatty and Cara Mastersberry and others We Saw in the Roosevelt Room who are putting their bodies on the line. Some for the first time. Others for the umm tooent time because its their second go around at this. Ill start with you and go backwards. Your thoughts on where we are now . Well, look, this is what women do. I think about what happened to the insurrectionists and how they got to walk out and go home and compared to what happened to these people, mostly women, protesting on behalf of everyone who should have the right to vote. Donna edwards . Yeah, you know, my thought is i think the president s speech last week was an important marker but as Congresswoman Beatty has noted, we need more than speech. We need action. I think continuing this public pressure is going to be really important to moving Voting Rights forward in the united states senate. For democrats, it is both a moral and political imperative. And chairman Michael Steele . I would assume is still a member of the republican party . I am. I am. Only because it passes them off. The reality is if it will get done, itll be women who do it. I think that is now more and more evident as We Saw in 2018 as We Saw in 2020, and as well see in 2022 and going forward. If its going to get done, itll be women who does it. Itll be women who will get it done and black women, in particular, who are going to lead the charge. Michael steele, donna edwards, connie schultz, Thank You very much for coming back to the Sunday Show. Up next a memorable moment with the last republican president Before Trump. With the last republican president Before Trump or is that the damp weight of selfawareness you now hold in your hand . 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When i think of the damage a president can do in just a single term, my mind goes back 13 years to a March 2008 meeting in the private residence of the White House with president george w. Bush. The last republicans to sit in the Oval Office Before Trump made an enduring impression on me. Here is why. Still new to washington from new york city, i had the typical big Apple View of the 43rd president. I assumed bush was not a particularly smart incurious puppet of dick cheney. I came away from that 90minute Meeting with a completely different perspective. At the time i was writing editorials about Climate Change. But because we knew where bush stood on those issues, we decided not to push him on that topic. And then, looking around the room, bush asked, who writes about Climate Change . Seated on the sofa to the president s left, i said, i do, mr. President. Well, arent you going to ask me a question . Just as i was getting to the meat of my query, he interrupted me. I know what youre going to ask me. He did it just like that, too. I said, yes, mr. President . And stopped talking. I dont remember the question i was about to ask, but i do remember that he posed the exact question i was going to ask and then proceeded to answer it. Of all my experiences in journalism and in washington, that moment is among the most indelible because of the odd sense of comfort it gave me. I didnt agree with President Bush on most things, particularly the war with iraq and the socalled global war on terror. But i left the White House that day feeling that the president believed the decisions he made were in the best interests of the country. I could disagree with what he did and how he did it, but i couldnt deny that his decisions were rooted in something bigger than himself. Nine years later and over the course of four years, Donald Trump revealed how fragile our constitution is. The power is derived in large part from the reverence of the 44 men Before Trump who swore to protect it. An unprecedented two impeachments proved Donald Trump harbored no such reverence. By voting trump out in 2020 and handing the keys to washingtons proverbial card to president Joe Biden, the nation signaled it wanted an end to the chaos. Who knows how long this relative calm will last, because while trump is no longer behind the wheel, his rowdy offspring are still in the Back Seat willing to steer biden, the democrats and washington off the road. Be sure to read the full essay at msnbc. Com thenext25. Im Jonathan Capehart and this has been the Sunday Show. When technology is easier to use. Barriers dont stand a chance. Thats why well stop at nothing to deliver our technology asaservice. vo singing, or speaking. Reason, to deliver our technology asaservice. Or fun. Daring, or thoughtful. Sensitive, or strong. Progress isnt either or progress is everything. 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More on that in a moment for you. First, new polling from Cbs News and ugov shows President Bidens Approval Rating remains stable, right at 58 . Not as high as it was at the very start of his term. Those polls also show a majority of americans approve of the president s infrastructure proposal. A greater number approve of his plan to spend federal money to build and repair roads and bridges, expand broad band and pay for Child Care and care for the elderly. It comes as a bipartisan group of senators is working overtime this weekend scrambling to finish writing an Infrastructure Bill ahead of a procedural vote on wednesday. This morning democrats confident they are ready to move full steam ahead. Republicans say they need more time. How can i vote for cloture when the Bill Isnt written . Unless Senator Schumer doesnt want this to happen, you need a little bit more time to get it right. I think we need a deadline, we need to get going. The biggest hearing in the January 6th insurrection, paul hodgkins. Hes going to be the first defendant sentenced for a felony involving the breach on Capitol Hill. This hearing could set the bar for what other rioters may face. Lets start with Josh Letterman standing by at the White House for us. Welcome to you. Tell me how facebook is responding to this criticism